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    I was at a friend's place today talking to someone I'd just met, and the topic of Rogan came up.

    This guy was not a Rogan fan at all. And that's fine. But he practically glowed when he discussed the current controversy surrounding Joe. He was a little too happy about it. I didn't say much. I just let him talk. I watched him closely, and there was something about his energy that was initially perplexing but that I soon sorted out. It was almost as if he felt a sense of relief about it all.

    And I think I know why...
    Someone like Joe Rogan, just by being himself, provides a mirror that reflects back to the viewer their masculinity or lack of. He works out. He fights. He hunts. He smokes cigars. He's become a symbol of masculinity.

    Masculinity, as we all know, has been demonized lately. It's all being done under the guise of "toxic masculinity". But make no mistake: they're just talking about regular old masculinity. And not just the masculinity in men, but the masculinity in women as well.

    The woke love this demonization for obvious reasons, and so does a certain type of soft, delicate, and overly emotional male. They are compelled to dislike Rogan because if he symbolizes a standard for how men should behave, they'll be regarded as lesser than, or worse. They'll quickly plummet down social hierarchies and suffer emotionally and mentally as a result.

    And while talking to this guy it just instantly occurred to me: his reaction to Rogan wasn't necessarily offensive...it was defensive. In other words, they're not necessarily trying to make something happen by slagging him, they're trying to prevent something from happening. Because in a world full of Rogans there would really be no place for them, and it scares them. And hey, I get that.

    The type of males that openly declare their dislike for Rogan are almost unfailingly the same type of males: soft, overly-sensitive, fragile, overly-emotional, heavily dependent on others, are unable to provide for themselves for one reason or another..and so on. They will naturally recoil and get a bit defensive when these deficiencies are exposed.

    To accept Rogan would be to reject themselves in some sense. It's similar with a guy like Jordan Peterson. Not wanting to update their thinking and assume responsibility for their weaknesses, they just keep doubling down on the criticism. Much easier that way than to grapple with the truth.

    I don't hunt, I don't smoke cigars. But I do eat meat, work out and fight occasionally (jujitsu with friends). I'm not sure where that puts me on the Joe Rogan masculinity scale. But the thing about Joe that impresses the most is his intellect, curiosity, and willingness to communicate with nearly anyone. You can't parody his brand of masculinity by calling him a meathead, or a gym rat, or a weed smoker. He's sort of a Renaissance man, and that's what masculinity really should aspire to. He's a gentleman and a warrior. Many men have one or the other down, but not both. Joe has both down, and that's what accounts for his popularity.
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    Default Re: Joe Rogan Apologizes...Again

    Coincidentally I had the exact same thought the other day but not about Rogan. It was in regards to Jocko Wilinik and David Goggins. I think people lump them into the Rogan camp because they're friends and therefore secretly evil humans who do foul things. But if you listen to the words of someone like Goggins especially, he motivates and encourages people to better themselves. To work out and become the best you can be mentally and physically. The only reason I could find for people to hate on him is because they are insecure of themselves and scared to change.
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    A totally off-topic anecdote here about words you just can't say.

    Way back in 2007, Camelot Witness 'Henry Deacon' emailed me all the words and phrases that are always picked up by Echelon surveillance. It was a long list, including many (presumably intel codewords) that I'd never heard of before. I copied it all to archive offline and deleted the email.

    The next day, Henry wrote me again, saying "Oops... maybe I shouldn't have done that."




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    Default Re: Joe Rogan Apologizes...Again

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A totally off-topic anecdote here about words you just can't say.

    Way back in 2007, Camelot Witness 'Henry Deacon' emailed me all the words and phrases that are always picked up by Echelon surveillance. It was a long list, including many (presumably intel codewords) that I'd never heard of before. I copied it all to archive offline and deleted the email.

    The next day, Henry wrote me again, saying "Oops... maybe I shouldn't have done that."




    Made me laugh!

    I imagine "echelon" is one of those sensitive words? So now that I have their attention I'd like to take this opportunity to tell them to go f#ck themselves.

    (P.S. I'm imagining a room full of agents in a dark stuffy room, hazed with cigarette smoke, sitting in cubicles. One of them stands up and raises a shot glass full of whiskey, says "We got another one boys," and slugs it down. The rest follow suit. "That's the 10,000,000,000th time someone has told us to go f#ck ourselves!" *Raucous applause*)

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    Just want to point out the cancel culture originates from the left about 90% of the time. It is primarily (not always) targeted at Conservatives/Republicans but that is just misdirection. The cancel culture wants to destroy anyone (regardless of politics) who has a platform that reaches a large audience that cannot be controlled by the media, politicians or a political party. This is sadly funny.

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    rgray222 do you have a link for the Rogan clip? Ta.

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    rgray222 do you have a link for the Rogan clip? Ta.
    The longer version
    https://youtu.be/QiejPMHhtTQ

    The short version
    https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/phot...V_460svav1.mp4

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    Regarding the racism... you know he also mentions his "planet of the apes" video and says he didn't say it as a racist thing... he would never do that. But in his own clip (if you look at the full version) he acknowledges it was a racist thing to say. So again he is lying.



    Are these hit pieces? You could call them that... but I think that people are just trying to point out what kind of person Rogan actually is.

    Millions follow his show and think of him as an open minded, smart, level headed guy and they listen to his opinions as they would from an authority figure.

    But, in my opinion, that can't be farther from the truth. I've been following him for a while and he's none of that. He makes so many logical fallacies and has all the cognitive biases, it's hard to take the guy serious.

    This is a clip I just found a few days ago, please go through it and let me know what kind of person you think he is...



    Btw, the ape was studied, all those samples were dna tested more than 15 years ago and it was a known species of chimp, look it up yourself. But that doesn't matter, even if it was all true... just the way he shuts down any counter argument, doesn't even listen to any other opinion... I mean the level of his congnitive dissonance... my god the ego on the guy.


    Now... is this censorship? Rogan is hired by Spotify to do interviews, talk to guests and give his opinions.
    If people are going to Spotify to criticize his work... is that censorship?

    If I was hired by a company to do a job... and people would complain about the quality of my work and point out how I am lousy at it, I would get fired. Would that be censorship?

    How are we supposed to criticize anyone if everything is censorship?

    He is hired for his opinions
    cognitive dissonance+cognitive biases+logical fallacies=poorly formed opinions
    => his job performance is poor => he is fired

    A private company terminating a contract and stopping paying him because they don't like his work is not censorship.
    He is free to open his own webpage and post his podcasts there.

    When he won't be allowed to do that, then it would be censorship.

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