Carnivore diet to fix auto immune issues

[TargeT]

My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ka9WBEijhk

[rgray222]

Interesting talk, it appears that Mikhaila Peterson is not anti-vegan or anti-vegetarian she was just desperate to find answers to her health issue.

Here is a little more info on her diet - The Lion Diet

The Lion Diet is a carnivorous diet that consists solely of ruminant meat (beef, lamb, goat, etc.), salt, and water. It’s the ultimate elimination diet. It eliminates all other dietary variables, and sustains your body’s nutritional needs, allowing you to thrive. How else do you scientifically and accurately test what foods are bugging you? You remove them all, start with one food that gives you everything you need, wait until your symptoms abate, and slowly reintroduce foods.

Thousands of people have followed this way of eating, reporting complete remissions of autoimmune, psychological and digestive illnesses, as well as significant improvements to cognitive, emotional and physical health.

[Metalaane]

Good thread. Carnivore and keto both. Carnivore is kind of a nuclear option for people with terrible autoimmune problems but it's completely viable and healthy if done right for just about anyone (there's always the exception in anything). I primarily do targeted keto of sorts. I combine it with One Meal A Day five days out of the week, and will throw in some carbs with my OMAD after a heavy workout to help promote more hypertrophy, but even if I "break" keto in that meal, I'm active enough to where I always end up back in ketosis by the end of the following day. I once did 30 days straight of carnivore, though, and felt great. With prices on food these days, that's kind of difficult to sustain now. But I'd say, if you have the money, carnivore can be fantastic for you.

Some would say that depression and general mood disorders are at least linked to autoimmune conditions. I definitely have better mental health when I'm fasting and eating keto as described above. Likewise, I have lifelong eczema patches in a few places and I never have flare ups this way. If I deviate too long, and too long is like...a mere three days...my mood starts diving into the gutter and the eczema starts to act up.

[Bill Ryan]

Do see these two major threads:

• A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet
• Ketogenic Diet Beats Chemo For Almost All Cancers

[Blastolabs]

I've unconsciously been on the carnivore diet my whole life.

Something mentally has always repulsed me about fruits and most vegetables.

I have an extremely fast metabolism and a resting heart of 80, blood pressure was recently tested by a doctor at 119/78

I don't take any prescription medicines and normally go to the doctor, my recent visit was my first checkup in 10 years and everything looked good.

Doctor seemed shocked that I had not been sick anytime recently despite being unvaccinated.



Not sure why fruits gross me out but it is a mental barrier that is extremely strong and not something I can really overcome.

Sounds odd but I do eat about as "unhealthy" as possible and seem to be healthy despite my diet.

[Mari]

Cardiologist Robert Atkins had the ketogenic principal well and truly covered in the 1960's. He, of course was demonized by the interests he threatened, ably supported by the media. I went on this diet 20 years ago and very comfortably lost 3 stone in 4 months. I did miss my carbs though (bread pasta etc) and gradually crept back onto my old diet. But I have to say I felt great whilst on this diet and can quite happily adopt the carnivore method these days, and often do, when I feel my gut biome needs an overhaul....

[Le Chat]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

[guenonsbitch]

I swear the tech gods have been ****ing with me recently. Just last night my partner announced to me he's decided to try a carnivore diet and he thinks I should too to resolve some health stuff I've had for several years involving an accident. And then this is the first post I see when I open project Avalon!! However, I'm a strict ethical vegan that believes trauma is the root of most disease (German New Medicine.) Eating a slaughtered animal goes against everything in my being, I don't care how spectacular and gladiatorial it makes you feel. I choose compassion and ahimsa. If he continues on this path I do not think we can stay together as it's too different of paths. I don't argue that you can have health benefits from eating just meat, but what about the state of your spirit from consuming all the tortured animals?

[TargeT]

Morality often in reality is just preference.

Preference has little to do with health, the moral implications of diet are an entirely different topic.

There is no "one size fits all" solution here, everyone needs to pay attention to their own bodies and go with what works. This was not an attempt to slight plant eaters.

[gini]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

[TargeT]

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

[gini]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.

The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

[TargeT]

Posted by gini (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.

The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

Red meat proteins are highly (the highest from my research) bioavailable with every single thing you need (a "whole food" ) to survive... a Pescatarian diet needs iron sources, but plants (and the often ignored (shockingly so) phytotoxins) are often not the best for supplement.. every living thing has some sort of self defense, plants use phytotoxins (which some humans are sensitive too... which is why the plants produce them.. to stop from being eaten) and as such are not always the best for some people.. again this is so "custom" to you and your body type.. there is no one-solution-fits-all if yo uare phytotoxin tolerant you can easily live off plant biome, some people aren't and benefit greatly from a non plant diet.

life is a puzzle, we all have to find out how we best fit in with the entire cycle; ignoring the influence of predators is a lesson we have learned over and over.... and as the APEXpreditor we need to maybe look at this a bit more at times.

for example:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

Existence is wholistic... we cannot cut out a part of it and think it won't be detrimental, even if it is currently distasteful via our preferences.


edit: I grew up hunting since age 11, there are plenty of youtube videos out there to teach, but you'll have to adapt to the system instead of trying to force ideals on it... we have history as a lesson, and it's very clear in what it teaches us (hunter gather etc..)

[I am B]

I started some personal kind of keto/paleo diet two years ago.

Best decision EVER

I took grain and similar ways of production to be a recent invention on the evolutive scale (is it a scientifically correct claim? I don't know) , so I cut everything related to it. (bread, pasta, rice, beans, and obviously processed sweet thingies like cookies etc)
It makes you realise how heavy and health damaging many of those foods are, specially pasta.
I go mountain hike 15km every two days, and I am literally unable if I eat pasta or rice that day.

I try not to abuse meat, but I also take it when my body asks for it. Back "in the day" hunting birds or mammals was likely a daily thing to do, so why would I cut it. And then there is fish, which was a reliable way of feeding oneself too. On the other hand I don't think cutting on fruit or vegetables and going solo meat is a correct thing to do. Humans have fed from that since before history was history too, the same way they did from meat.

Also I get most of my food from natural sources/contacts. Including meat. I don't think this is something doable if its done only by buying whatever you're given on a supermarket, since the meat quality there is ages behind, soaked in chemicals and "bad vibes".

I haven't got sick since then. Went through covid questioning if it was real since I had a "super heavy load" but didn't have a single symptom whatsoever, unlike people around me.

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

I highly highly recomend going into a diet like that to anyone. And obviously to try to get natural and truly organic food too. It did change my life for the better and I hope It can do the same to you guys too.

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by gini (here)
I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

I was going to say that your ideology 'baffles' me as well. but actually it doesn't it is tremendously amusing

Please never change, it gives the rotten princes a lot of joy and laugh

those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome

is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

*Guinea pig

Who could tell, maybe if there is no guinea pigs or cows around people should just eat cake

Do you like to eat cake?

I'm just kidding but i honesty got a tremendous laugh at your take of "lower life forms". Don't you see the issue there? lmao

[Mashika]

Posted by TargeT (here)
My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ka9WBEijhk

Instead of bacon only, i have used bacon with chicken, it helped me a lot to not lose weight in tremendous ways, before that, i used to eat eggs and meat but my legs and in general i started to lose tons of weight until i looked terrible

But then i dropped the diet and started eating bacon and chicken, also fried chicken. Then i was eating normally but my body got back in track with a regular healthy look

[Mashika]

Posted by I am B (here)
Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

[I am B]

Posted by Malisa (here)

Posted by I am B (here)
Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

Thanks! Appreciate. I got told the same before ^^ but naye, i got the finger piercing testing thingie and sugar is on point, same with cholesterol. Only thing that increased a bit is blood pressure, but I'm super anxious lately because of life, so its probably that.

I'd like to crrect that Its not like I feel directly warmer, Its more about being less bothered by the cold. More resilient. When I was in Russia this winter It was so easy to see how it was related to food. (and good food, specially)

[ian33]

...i have northern hunter gatherer genetics, and after 50 years of experimenting with many diets including 16 years vegetarian, careful observation of effects brought me to paleo/autoimmune diet(trial and error)
...good luck to those who thrive on vegan diets, but i avoid those who cant help but demonise the great majority of people, omnivores...
..i am lucky to live where there is plenty pasture fed beef and lamb available, also fish from the sea and lakes...my house is surrounded by green pasture, with contented cattle, protected from predators that would exist in the wild(survival of the fittest)
...i sometimes wonder what vegans imagine would happen to all the ruminants in their perfect world, but really its none of my business what those good people believe...i wish good health to all, however they may achieve that

[Metalaane]

Posted by Le Chat (here)
I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

Anything's better than the Standard Western Diet, this is for sure. Plant based can be done in a healthy way. But, your doubts may be doubted if you knew the intricacies of this. Maybe it was mentioned in the video, not sure, because I already knew Mikhaila Peterson's story so I didn't watch -- but there's such things in plants known as anti-nutrients. See, every life form wants to live and reproduce. Animals, once they're on the plate, are done trying to defend themselves. They do it with teeth, claws, or just simply running away. Plants? Not so simple. They need more passive forms of defense. Caffeine is actually a defensive toxin of sorts objectively speaking -- and some people are negatively affected by that one in particular. Other people are negatively affected by a wide range of them; oxalates, tannins, phytates, and more.

To be "fair", it may not be a very high percentage of people who are noticeably impacted by these things, but then there's nothing fair about this to the individuals who can't tolerate normal levels of these substances in plants; they find a solution that makes them happy and healthy and someone comes along and basically says they're complicit in murder. What gives? Or, there's even some people who can tolerate them, but they know they perform in life better without them. Fault them for their commitment to taking care of their temple of a body? I wouldn't. Granted, I know you only said a meager six words on the topic, but you're far from the first person to have this kind of rhetoric in these topics so I am somewhat rehearsed on what to say here. We'll both agree that factory cattle shouldn't exist. Believe me, swearing by animal nutrition is not even in the same ball park as condoning factory cattle practices. It's definitely inhumane. In an ideal world we would all be food independent where we grow and/or raise all of our food ourselves. Matter of fact, the one year I had a garden, the produce from it was the best I ever tasted. Might've been the healthiest produce I had, too. Conventional agriculture perpetually reuses the same top soil endlessly and the crops end up worse for it, becoming essentially malnourished and then in turn potentially malnourishing Humans whom consume it. Particularly, the Humans who have the sensitivities to the anti-nutrients; the ratio of their nutrients:anti-nutrients is weighted too far to the anti-nutrient side. Someone's backyard, though? Much more fertile. Damned thing about this is a plant can be labeled "non GMO" and "organic" (if we can take labels at face value anyways) in a grocery and still be nutritionally bereft because of that barren topsoil.

Am I less "woke" because I eat meat? I think this is a very good article on this subject. The author is a little strong with her words but she's a certified dietician at any rate so I don't think a bit of a snarky tone disqualifies any points.

...First, you need to make a field. Crop fields aren’t “natural”. When you fly over the United States and look down at all of the squares and circles down there, that’s not “nature,” that’s man. Lots of things had to die to make way for that perfect square of only one crop to be there.

Step two, once all trees are cut down and life is removed, it’s time to plow up the soil. This releases carbon and further kills lots of life living close to the surface. Small critters that had their dens underground are decapitated and chopped up...