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    Default Surviving a nuclear war

    We don't actually have a thread about this — and I was reluctant to start one, as it's a legitimately scary subject that we might not want to put too much conscious attention on.

    But this is a new half hour video from Chris Martenson, which rather surprised me. I'm only sharing it because, as is always to be expected, it's science-based, very detailed and exact, and contains [potentially] valuable information. In Chris's own words to introduce the video, he points out with some validity that this is a somber but important topic.

    But far from preaching doom and gloom, Chris explains how a nuclear exchange is far more survivable than one might think. (And, over the years I've heard many others stating exactly the same thing.)


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    Default Re: Surviving a nuclear war

    As much as I would like to ignore this information, I am now realistically beginning to plan for surviving nuclear war here in the United States. Not something I want to do at this stage, but something I believe is being forced upon us now by what Chris calls "permanent Washington."

    Here is the site Chris uses in the presentation for nuclear bomb fallout: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/. Use 20 megaton for the bomb size as it will likely be the size most used in a limited nuclear exchange.

    Chris has a Part 2 on his member site but it is for members only and behind a paywall.

    I follow the Saker site http://thesaker.is/latest-articles/ that provides up-to-date on the Russian/Ukrainian war. It is a very active site with lots of comments from all over the world. It has been one of my "go to" sites for following the war and trying to anticipate dangers that will arise from this conflict. In a post this previous weekend Saker was asked point blank what he thought the odds of a nuclear war between Russia/US/Nato were and he answered 50/50. This was a chilling and startling answer that I did not anticipate. I would have thought 10% max.

    Thanks Bill for finding this video and making it available. It is fairly clear to me that we are currently not heading down the path of peace.

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    We have now lost all connection with sanity IMO. "Normalize" a nuclear exchange and "rational" people will entertain the idea that it will be OK. Rational people weighing odds in a game. More deadly thought forms of "rational" evil.

    Just like kids now have strokes, heart attacks and everyone is normally sick now, we can go along with a nuclear war and get along. The push to have us suicide by acceptance is blatant. I DO NOT AGREE. Nuclear war will leave a wasteland and is 100% NOT acceptable. PERIOD.

    In a way this is all to be expected when the plan is pushed for DEATH.

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    Survive a nuclear war? I'll introduce a notion, as it hasn't yet been mentioned. If there was a nuclear war, I wouldn't WANT to survive it.

    I'd far prefer to evaporate into atoms in the opening exchange and be outa here. 'Thanks Earth, thanks for all the memories. So sorry it ended this way. See you, maybe, in a hundred thousand years...'
    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."
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    Default Re: Surviving a nuclear war

    Thanks for the thread Bill, very educative.
    There is quite a lot of talking on Telegram and other places about war nowadays, I was trying to avoid the unavoidable subject, but here we are
    I listened to Mike Adams days ago and he was talking more or less in the same line, without the fine details of course, this video is well packed in 32 minutes, a way better than Mike which is usually over an hour and gets boring.

    Mike Adams speaking about it (1:31:39)
    https://www.brighteon.com/787e2691-1...d-d5de871e782c

    Here some resources http://web.archive.org/web/200703161...ve-nbc.org:80/
    (they have a guide named: "The ABC's of NBC Warfare Survival A Public Guide to Surviving Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Attacks")
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    well, the first nuclear war consisted of 2 atom bombs. So, it really depends how many are exchanged. I think there are something like 15000 or so nukes. As russia and US have 6 or 7,000 each. So, a huge difference between 1, 10, 100, 1000, or 15,000 explosions. Of course the nukes these days are even bigger than the ones dropped on Japan. sigh.

    Its a big planet. So, 100 nukes would be insanely horrific in terms of loss of life and destruction. However, most people, that didnt live near those cities, wouldnt even be aware of it if they didnt have the internet or TV. Well, not sure how far away rumblings can be felt. 50 mile radius? more? I guess it would cause some weather changes for some time that would be noticeable. Edit: Dang, I watched some of the video. I guess I am wrong. I didn't realize radiation strong enough to make one ill (200-1000 rad/hr) could span multiple states. That royally sucks, no nukes please.
    Glad we have concrete buildings here. But no basements

    In this scenario, I'd be super depressed for years to come, but i'm not sure that leaving the planet by bodily evaporation would be my desire. If it was 1000s of nukes, yea might not want to live then. Not sure how much starvation that would cause from weather changes ruining crops and such. Plus the radiation poisoning problem.

    Definitely, plan to run for the hills if nuclear war starts. Anyone want to offer a meetup point(s) where some of us could attempt to go to in such a dire situation. I guess most would go somewhere with families, but sure would be nice to be around spiritual friends

    The good news is that it seems pretty clear that some of these "Aliens" are from one of earth's planes or from the solar system and seem to have some jurisdiction to intervene in case of nuclear. Not sure why Japan nukes were allowed and during the cold war seems to have been an intervention. Maybe we needed to learn a lesson? The cold war nuclear exchange could have been far far worse and thus stopped. however, it appears that in the past humans have created some civilization resets. So, who knows. It doesn't seem like nukes would be the way of the reset. I would guess it is more likely to be something like some very high tech that can shake the whole earth sort of thing and throw it off kilter. Like some of the supposed Atlantis legends or whatever.
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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)

    Mike Adams speaking about it (1:31:39)
    https://www.brighteon.com/787e2691-1...d-d5de871e782c

    Here some resources http://web.archive.org/web/200703161...ve-nbc.org:80/

    (they have a guide named: "The ABC's of NBC Warfare Survival A Public Guide to Surviving Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Attacks")

    Thanks palehorse for these links and their information. I was not aware of either.

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    If you consume msm and the Ukraine narrative, you can feel the fear of the msm presentation.

    If you seek out the alternative forms of information, there is more common sense and less fear. There are more conservative data, then extreme data.

    It is my opinion that there will not be a nuclear war. Therefore, there is nothing to fear. The powers that be know it is a no-win scenario, and they also know that Putin was cornered [His major threat was 'severe consequences you cannot imagine if you get involved]. The Ukrainians are also in the midst of a no-win scenario [all while the world sits on the sidelines.] The united states can 'armchair quarterback' [I don't know what a European would call an armchair quarterback] all day, but if they were in the same situation again, like the cuba incident, they would be losing their minds.

    I am not completely convinced of the potential survival of a nuclear war. There are articles online regarding the return of wildlife to the area of the Chernobyl disaster, which took approximately 3o years to recover [and it still continues to recover, meaning the environment is not yet ideal; however, several countries scientists [including Ireland] have studied the recovery and the health of the wildlife].

    Notwithstanding, we do not need an escalation. Poland was going to send MIGs to Ukraine through an american Nato airbase in Germany and the americans declined. Now, they do not want an escalation at all costs. The americans weren't thinking when they edged Nato closer and closer to Russia, and now critical thinking is mandatory.

    There is a story about JFK and his visit to the Soviet Union. He was completely unprepared in dealing with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev. The Russians will hold someone in high regard if they earned it. Nikita Khrushchev thought Kennedy was inexperienced. Imagine what the Russian really thinks of Biden. The Russian will be more responsive with strength and experience. These lessons were learned decades ago, and I think this is why everyone is so careful to stay out of the way.

    A note on biological and chemical weapons. In the early 9o's when I was in the american navy, we prepared for CBR attacks. The american policy was to never use biological weapons but to be prepared if they were used against us. We had chemical weapons, I recall we had White Phosphorus shells on our destroyer. I am surprised at the data regarding the biological plants in Ukraine and the Russian is demanding an explanation from washington. This will become more interesting as time goes on. America basically keeps digging a deeper hole and this is one of the major sources of the *fear* being disseminated across the globe.

    While I might be the very last person to ever trust a government; the stakes of a nuclear release are too damned high and everyone knows it. Deterrent is the key and it has worked for decades.
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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Survive a nuclear war? I'll introduce a notion, as it hasn't yet been mentioned. If there was a nuclear war, I wouldn't WANT to survive it.

    I'd far prefer to evaporate into atoms in the opening exchange and be outa here. 'Thanks Earth, thanks for all the memories. So sorry it ended this way. See you, maybe, in a hundred thousand years...'
    Amen brother/sister/mother/whatever.


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    He uses a 10 Megaton bomb as an example. The largest ever exploded/tested was the Tsar Bomba (Russia 1961) = 50-58 Megatons. Ummm, screw that noise. I just dont get why anyone thinks that they need to explode such insanely huge and harmful nukes for testing. Like isn't 10 Megatons enough. They have 1000s of bombs, could drop 5 of those instead of 1 Tsar Bomba. Then again, these people are pretty crazy.

    I dont think there is much danger of long range nukes making it to their targets. Satellites and ships with laser weaponry, EMP bombs that could take out the circuitry, or other classified high tech defense weapons should be able to take them out these days.

    I think the danger would be more to do with lack of time. Like stealth bombers dropping from 60,000 feet or whatever it is. Im estimating that takes 10 minutes to land. Or some kind of suitcase nuke. although those can't be nearly as powerful i assume.

    I'd say eastern north dakota would be a good place to survive nuclear. Can't see any targets west of there (wind direction) at all. Unless, they would be nuking those military missile silo sites. It seems the cabal would prefer nuking major cities for population reduction. But, that looks pretty evil. Would that be a clear war crime these days if not targeting military bases/sites? Not that they care about war crimes if they intend a takeover in the aftermath.

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Survive a nuclear war? I'll introduce a notion, as it hasn't yet been mentioned. If there was a nuclear war, I wouldn't WANT to survive it.

    I'd far prefer to evaporate into atoms in the opening exchange and be outa here. 'Thanks Earth, thanks for all the memories. So sorry it ended this way. See you, maybe, in a hundred thousand years...'
    That was my feeling too when I saw this video posted, and almost turned it off after two minutes. If you are near the blast of the bomb you will die rather quickly, and that may be far better than dying slowly and agonizingly of nuclear radiation poisoning, which will happen to people further away. But if you are further away, you can protect yourself from the radiation. That is who this video is created for. With that thought in mind, I recommend watching this very sensible video.

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    "It is my opinion that there will not be a nuclear war. Therefore, there is nothing to fear. The powers that be know it is a no-win scenario, and they also know that Putin was cornered [His major threat was 'severe consequences you cannot imagine if you get involved]. The Ukrainians are also in the midst of a no-win scenario [all while the world sits on the sidelines.] The united states can 'armchair quarterback' [I don't know what a European would call an armchair quarterback] all day, but if they were in the same situation again, like the cuba incident, they would be losing their minds."

    I tend to agree and am also not really concerned about this scenario. As long as TPTB believe or know (crystal ball) that they have a chance to succeed in a technocracy controlled future where they get to be overlords of earth, they wouldn't want to go this much less fun and much more stupid route. Unless TPTB are ruled by some demonic forces that love to see gods creation be destroyed. It would be much easier to predict what is really going on if we knew who we are really up against.

    As for survivability. I guess one could start lining their basement bomb shelters with some 45lb iron gym weights lol.

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    I am not a scientist so the following is a layman’s presentation. Very briefly, according to Dewey Larsson’s Reciprocal System, whereby motion is the basic building block of the universe, our 3D space + 1D time has a reciprocal dimension in 3D time + 1 D space. One operates at slower than light speeds, the other at faster than light (FTL) speeds. Since events such as a supernova or a nuclear explosion produce some particles moving at the slower speeds and others at the higher, the latter break off from the former into the 3D time dimension. In the case of a supernova, matter radiating outwards slows down to form a dust cloud, with FTL particles moving inwards to form a white dwarf. These two eventually coalesce to form a second-generation star system starting out as a red dwarf, before evolving in quantum leaps into a yellow star, then a white one, and so on. According to the latest ideas based on this theory, the sun is currently about to make such a leap.


    It occurs to me that there are two very different types of people for whom a nuclear explosion would be very important, and the above would explain why. The first group would be, let me call them the ascensionists, who aspire to some higher dimension or frequency, or diverging timelines, as the ultimate good. They have the destination but are pretty vague about how to get there; this might be one way. The other group are the Nazis who, dating back to the Reinhard Gehlen organization’s endless failed attempts to trigger nuclear Armageddon (the ‘E-Fall’) seem to be clear about the means – sheer evil madness to everyone else – but we have no real idea regarding their end purpose. These two groups may be talking about the same thing from two opposite angles. If so, that would mean that most of the people with ideas and opinions on these matters are in agreement as to the desirability of allout nuclear warfare, making it that much likelier to happen.


    For those of us who consider nuclear Armageddon a very bad idea, instead of letting the solar system evolve naturally, it would be a matter of extreme urgency to avert this outcome by clarifying this issue on BOTH sides. It has been two minutes or less to midnight for at least sixty years, and the best way to survive is to wind that clock back to something like half past two.


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    If you give a subject enough thought you are helping to materialise that thought.
    I prefer to keep my thoughts on a positive level
    I had enough nightmares in my teens about the atom bomb so am not going there again.
    Life is continuous so I will use my imagination to create a utopia and spend no time on the distopia being created by the madness of so-called leaders of our present world.
    We need inspirational men and women who will assist in creating the New Future.
    Blessings of love to you all ❤️

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    It is clear to me that the controllers are still holding the worlwide reign. Nuclear war is not on their plan. Nuclear war will destroy everything including the earth that they want for themselves alone. So if nuclear war can destroy everything why the heck bother with pandemics oil price hike and every little agenda to kill off the useless eaters?
    On their cards are clearly stated, war famine and pestilence. anyone willing to prepare. prepare for that. As for I'm going to chill out.
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    One for the Avalon library?

    Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson Kearny

    Coincidentally I came across this book recently and managed to skim read a good chunk it. He comes to the same conclusion in that it is far more survivable than many have been led to believe.

    The sections on building simple earth-covered shelters below ground are very readable - many of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki survivors who survived did the very same thing.

    Here's some Myth/Fact snippets:

    Quote Myth: In the worst-hit parts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki where all buildings were demolished, everyone was killed by blast, radiation, or fire.

    Facts: In Nagasaki, some people survived uninjured who were far inside tunnel shelters built for conventional air raids and located as close as
    one-third mile from ground zero (the point directly below the explosion). This was true even though these long, large shelters lacked blast doors and
    were deep inside the zone within which all buildings were destroyed. (People far inside long, large, open shelters are better protected than are those
    inside small, open shelters.)
    Quote Myth: A Russian nuclear attack on the United States would completely destroy all American cities.

    Facts: As long as Soviet leaders are rational they will continue to give first priority to knocking out our weapons and other military assets that can
    damage Russia and kill Russians. To explode enough nuclear weapons of any size to completely destroy American cities would be an irrational
    waste of warheads. The Soviets can make much better use of most of the warheads that would be required to completely destroy American cities; the
    majority of those warheads probably already are targeted to knock out our retaliatory missiles by being surface burst or near-surface burst on their
    hardened silos, located far from most cities and densely populated areas
    Quote Myth: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" surely will follow a nuclear war. The world will be frozen if only 100 megatons (less than one percent of all
    nuclear weapons) are used to ignite cities. World-enveloping smoke from fires and the dust from surface bursts will prevent almost all sunlight and
    solar heat from reaching the earth's surface. Universal darkness for weeks! Sub-zero temperatures, even in summertime! Frozen crops, even in the
    jungles of South America! Worldwide famine! Whole species of animals and plants exterminated! The survival of mankind in doubt!

    Facts: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" is a discredited theory that, since its conception in 1982, has been used to frighten additional millions into
    believing that trying to survive a nuclear war is a waste of effort and resources, and that only by ridding the world of almost all nuclear weapons do
    we have a chance of surviving.

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    Quote Posted by Merkaba360 (here)
    The good news is that it seems pretty clear that some of these "Aliens" are from one of earth's planes or from the solar system and seem to have some jurisdiction to intervene in case of nuclear. Not sure why Japan nukes were allowed and during the cold war seems to have been an intervention. Maybe we needed to learn a lesson? The cold war nuclear exchange could have been far far worse and thus stopped. however, it appears that in the past humans have created some civilization resets. So, who knows. It doesn't seem like nukes would be the way of the reset. I would guess it is more likely to be something like some very high tech that can shake the whole earth sort of thing and throw it off kilter. Like some of the supposed Atlantis legends or whatever.
    It's not my intention to derail this thread (apologies Bill) 😉 I have a knee-jerk reaction to anything 'nuclear' the msm puts out, having lived through and been scared out of my wits by the nuclear fear propaganda churned out by the Home Office in the late 70s, early 80s in the UK.

    But, as I stated in a previous post somewhere, I simply don't believe a nuclear attack would be 'allowed'. Conventional war yes, but not this. There has been a lot of evidence, eyewitness testimony etc, from the military, those who saw interdimensional/spacecraft hover over buildings where warheads were kept and directed an energy beam (of sorts) over the building, disabling the weapons inside.

    This planet is not ours to mess around with to that extent, because what happens here affects the evolution, not to mention countless lives of other civilizations in the universe. The Japan nukes were 'allowed' so that we could see and know the consequences of going down that road, I believe. These are dark times, but I do know that humankind is on an ascension path that will free us from the dark controllers.

    What we will be seeing is a mega load of 'nuclear' fearmongering from msm et al, to keep us in a continual state of fear....Ukraine is the new covid.

    So no, I'm not burying my head in the sand by refusing to entertain nuclear survival techniques, its just that I have a very strong trust in the Divine....and it's this Divine that well and truly has our backs and will not allow this planet to die.
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    Well hmmm.
    I live less than 10 miles from Barksdale AFB located in Bossier City, La. It's a B-52 base.
    If there's a nuclear exchange it will be one of the first targets to go, so I won't be worrying about it because I won't know we're under attack until I see the flash and by then it'll be all over.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    We don't actually have a thread about this — and I was reluctant to start one, as it's a legitimately scary subject that we might not want to put too much conscious attention on.

    But this is a new half hour video from Chris Martenson, which rather surprised me. I'm only sharing it because, as is always to be expected, it's science-based, very detailed and exact, and contains [potentially] valuable information. In Chris's own words to introduce the video, he points out with some validity that this is a somber but important topic.

    But far from preaching doom and gloom, Chris explains how a nuclear exchange is far more survivable than one might think. (And, over the years I've heard many others stating exactly the same thing.)

    Thank you so much Bill!

    Chris is amazing, as always!

    He reminds me of my favorite prof. I had in the university. Knows his s*** and terrific presentation skills.

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    You might consider my posting a music file is trivializing a grave subject, this is however a performance of 'Wooden Ships' written by Dave Crosby from 1969, performed by the band members of 'Steely Dan' which is so cool it is frozen. Wooden Ships describes a story about survivors of a nuclear war, one group encounters another, purple berries are spoken of as a means to survive, and the narrator's group leaves the scene on their old fashioned timber vessels in search of somewhere to live and regrow humanity. This is musically the best version of this song I have heard. 'silver people on the shoreline' in this song describes radiation suited survivors.
    The world, most of our suburban centers will be destroyed, but large swathes of country will escape direct damage: the radiation and nuclear-winter will be grim challenges to all who survive, except those with access to the 'DUMB' infrastructure, perhaps they have calculated a 10 year underground sabbatical, some of them are insane enough to consider this, this could happen but I hope Cliff_High and others are correct, and we won't face this, prayers, hopeful wishes count for something.

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