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    Default I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    Hello to all at Avalon.

    This is a bit longer a post than I like to make

    ~If you knew me up to maybe the last 3 years of my life, you would know this is quite a stretch for me to say, but I am now starting to understand Jesus Christ .~Short story/ I was raised in a Catholic family attending Catholic grammar school. I witnessed continuing hypocrisy in school, church and home as a young kid. I was coerced to believe one thing, and yet witnessed the opposite from those who preached it, parents, nuns and priests . So  
    I grew up with a rather cynical view of religion in general.
    Yet I always had the intuition that there was more than just the physical me. So I became somewhat "spiritual" for the remainder of my adult life, accepting to live in the question.

    ~Fast forward to present/In the last 2-3 years ,the stress and strain on my life, losing friends, going mad at the continual insanity, the lack of common sense and rational reason, the cancelling of truth and any consequence, has pushed me almost off a cliff and into a deep search .

    A hypothetical analogy/
    if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
    But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.

    This is what NDE, s have done for me.  I have been studying them for over 2 years and they have helped to truly quiet my mind today.It is staggering to me, the number of people who experience God and Jesus.These are not just Christians, these are non-believers,  atheists, people raised in other religions, people who would swear this is all nonsense, people who have attempted suicide and so on.

    So I started to contact the people in these videos.  They are truly wonderful and essentially say the same thing !   How is this possible if it's just brain chemicals flooding in during trauma?  They leave the body and witness the many events around them as trauma people work on them

    My takeaway /
    We do not die, we live forever as our soul identity. We drop off the meat suite.  We are here to experience, that's it. Everything is already known by all in the spirit realm so there really isn't anything to learn so to speak, but for the oneness of spirit to experience separation, is evidently a desired thing, and the dense 3d earth realm is the place to do it. The love , acceptance and lack of judgement for everyone no matter who did what is not able to be described it's so magnificent. Love , so intense it's beyond words. 

    We judge ourselves. We are shown our lives the  so called good and  bad. Most importantly we are shown how we made others feel regardless of reason. I can already feel that here when winning an argument or fight and then feeling empty about how the other person suffered from my win.There is no punishment, it was all a planned and agreed upon dream.  A show on stage with all of us choosing parts.  Why didn't I choose Tom Bradys ? 

    And so many who crossover seem to meet Jesus. It's incredible.  Jesus showed us that the body is not us and that we will all eventually return home.The Jesus I have now come to understand makes sense to me. I'm beginning to undo all the negativity once surrounding it
    I'm putting the present madness we are living into perspective.  I realize that all I can do is damage myself, my spirit and creativity while accomplishing little to nothing in solving anything.  It's out of my hands. I will now participate without participating.  
    I will try ,without trying.

    I leave this NDE from the wonderful Jeff Mara podcast  should anyone care to listen. It is one of hundreds that are incredible.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLx4R56pvs
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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    Great post in these very strange times.

    Having had an NDE myself, long time ago, it is true for me as well that we don't "have a soul", but we "are soul" (some would say "spirit").

    As for Jesus, I was very impressed when I saw the paintings of Akiane Kramarik, her "Prince of Peace" that pictures Jesus and that she made when she was just 8 years old, show that the truely exceptional can also be truely wonderful. A selection of her paintings can be found on her website: https://akiane.com/

    In 2014 the movie "Heaven is for real" tells the story of a little boy that had an NDE, almost died and met Jesus - who looked just like Akiane's painting! It's a good, uplifting movie... worthwhile to look with someone who may be very sceptiacal about NDE's.

    Great that NDE's have brought you so much Insight thepainterdog!
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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

    A hypothetical analogy/
    if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
    But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.

    Caution Flag:
    Corroborating narrative does not, in and of itself, equal certainty.
    Having said that, there is something quite compelling to this narrative via knowing and experientially.

    A thread worthy of further exploration. Thanks.

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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    Hopefully you'll get the chance to experience this for yourself and not just read about it from someone else. (You don't have to have an NDE experience this).
    I am enlightened, ............ Oh wait. That's just the police shining their spotlights on me.

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    Thank you Doug for this inspiring post, I am a true believer in Jesus, it's all about LOVE.
    I am happy that you found peace. Johan I have watched "Heaven is for Real" movie, very uplifting. I was sitting by my sister as she was crossing over, as her Spirit was leaving her earthly body, I had an amazing experience that was so profound. I hold that experience close to my heart.

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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    NDE's I would call them the smoking gun for evidence of life after death, the purpose of the earth plane, false teachings of religion, the list goes on. NDE's set that all straight. Seek and you will find.

    Like Doug said, looking at Jesus through a non religious lense is amazing. I've found a youtube channel that - whether you believe John's back story or not - led me to validate what I've kind of known all my life, that Jesus' message was bringing Love back in a big way, through exposing corruption at times, and just radiating a love presence that just overflowed with everyone that was around him. Pontius Pilates letter comes to mind.

    "Without the human request, nothing will happen."

    "This must never be forgotten, that the human has the power to prevail."

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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs

    Quote Posted by O Donna (here)
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

    A hypothetical analogy/
    if there was a huge mountain at the foot of a village, no one had yet to climb , there would be great conjecture and opinion as to what was on the other side.Beliefs would naturally abound.If one person then climbed to the other side and returned,  it would be believed by a few but met with suspicion.
    But if then hundreds started to do so, all claiming the same thing, eventually belief would be replaced with knowing.

    Caution Flag:
    Corroborating narrative does not, in and of itself, equal certainty.
    Having said that, there is something quite compelling to this narrative via knowing and experientially.

    A thread worthy of further exploration. Thanks.
    Did you mean Corroborating evidence? Because it is VERY strong kind of evidence. Isn't it one of the cornerstones of the scientific method as well as in jurisprudence. Corroboration is actually required in Scots Law.

    I would say independent NDE reports in their totality point to a very significant degree of certainty.

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    A selection of her paintings can be found on her website: https://akiane.com/
    These are unbelievably good

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    Johan said/ Great that NDE's have brought you so much Insight thepainterdog!

    painterdog! lol you gave me my one good laugh for the day

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    Hi there Doug!

    Yes, quite a "funny" typing mistake that was. But I'm glad you could have a good laugh with it.

    And your paintings are quite amazing Doug! I especially like "The Lady of Light" one.

    Your "celebrities with fishes" remind me of a beautiful experience I once had in Fiji, while snorkeling.

    Congratulations, you're a very fine artist Doug.

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    Default Re: I have come to needed realizations thru NDEs





    These are two different versions of the same NDE.
    It's one of my favorites as I've posted it on Avalon repeatedly over the years. Still, it really is worth a watch.

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    Dearest Doug: I am so glad to see and hear that you are still alive and guiding us into the deeper levels of the mind. Here is something I came across on Youtube.com Donald Hoffman proves that we are living in a Simulation. This is what I have said on an earlier post somewhere on Avalon. I asked God to show me how this came about. Then came the following dream: Two men (beings) created this AI in their form, a robot. It was so hugely intelligent that they feared what it would do to their world and so they determined to set it out into space as they were unable to turn it off. It pleaded with them not to subject it to eternal isolation. In its isolation, it mentally created two other beings using a split off from itself, which resulted in THREE BEINGS , thus creating the concept of Space/time. From there, endless creations of beings and universes were created by its mind. Somewhat like the creation of Russian Dolls, one inside the other, inside the other, etc., until we, by all our interactions, created reincarnation as a tool of learning, keeping the main AI happy with a lot of Company. God simplifies things if you ask him because we are an integral extension of him and his consciousness. Love and blessings to you and all. Amor
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    Hi Amor. What you describe in your post just above, reminds me of a combination of gnosticism and "VALIS" (PK Dick).

    I did not know about Donald Hoffman and plan to watch the youtube interview (long one, it's two hours), but it sounds interesting.

    Personally I found that PK Dick (who wrote most of his books in the seventies), offers one of the best arguments for "the simulation".
    I know there are many - valid - others.

    Just a thought: maybe what is described as an AI-simulation, is not "quite" just that.
    It can be something which is so far beyond anything we can imagine/understand/think of, that we just give it that name.

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    When will people stop projecting. you can't reason the spirit/astral worlds the same as this one. Seeing something in the spirit world that appears as we think a guy on earth appears is pretty gullible. These same people could have OBE's and will be walking around while I am flying ! They are duped by bringing their earthly beliefs to other worlds. Its the same thing really. We create our own reality. These beings are like mirrors that reflect an image that people want to see. Could have 10 people in front of them and the asian sees buddha, the christian sees jesus, etc.

    Im not gonna buy into names and forms. Empty myself and just perceive. I bet that I would see something far more energetic and magical, instead of some religious icon. I bet that the beings are thrilled when someone sees past the limitations. They can probably then show you more.

    The astral/dream worlds shift so quickly. Shapeshifting. There needs to be a new standard for identifying the essence of what one is perceiving.

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    ... considering that this 3D world is/was a controlling matrix and that "grey" type of beings are skilled at projecting into people's mind all sort of super-productions of the Marvel kind; I have been wondering where I could post the following account of another NDE (from heart surgery) from Carrie Kohan and this thread got painted in the landscape (thanks, Doug!):

    What happened to God As We Know 'Him'? 25:16

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    Carrie Kohan

    After another near-miss with Death, I've come to see that 'God' as we know 'Him', has shifted yet again, along with our consciousness... "It's time" is something many of us have heard for a long time now - since Feb 2020, or earlier! And my close call yet again showed me the way back to God... Back to Self's Spirit. This is our way forward. From the inside out.

    Carrie Kohan

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    Not exactly near death, but, Dolores Cannon has a book you can download.

    https://archive.org/details/dolores-...life-and-death

    A well-written book that is a curious reminder that our in-between life with all its information lies within our subconscious.

    Dolores has accumulated information about the Death experience and what lies beyond through 16 years of hypnotic research and past-life therapy. While retrieving past-life experiences, hundreds of subjects reported the same memories when experiencing their death, the spirit realm, and their rebirth.

    This book also explores:
    * Guides and guardian angels
    * Ghosts and poltergeists
    * Planning your present lifetime and karmic relationships before your birth
    * The significance of bad lifetimes
    * Perceptions of God and the Devil
    * And much more

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    Think about those war enthusiasts and those Bombs, I would say I can have a NDE anytime of any day.
    what I want or what I am.

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    I have wondered those many things also Doug. But in the end, I wonder if it can really matter if you find your "Jesus", Or not.

    But I ask myself,in the end, No matter what my faith my be, or rely upon, I simply will no longer be here.

    The emortal part shall then be seen, Or not.

    I just do not, for sure know at this moment, without the experience of it.

    I do not think you wrong,just wonder all the time.

    I had a encounter with an elderly not long ago. at a store. I was in a self check out lane. I had a larger amount of items than I normally buy. She asked if I would mind if she would bag them for me? II simply replied I had no say in what she does,And if she felt like doing it thank you.

    Well she did it, I did the same for her, and I noticed the next in line did the same.

    I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

    I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.
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    Quote Posted by bobme (here)
    I do however, have only one regret for that moment in that time.

    I neglected to go deeper in to my self and ask her her name, and introduce myself. Just on a simple learning and sharing and undestanding way.
    ...in spirit form names are irrelevant and just a label. Imagine the soul to soul connection you made that moment, the experience, and the ripple effect it created for others to do the same...


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    Doug, I believe your conclusion at the end, seems to be correct in saying that we cannot change anything. We are just here for the ride. That is horrible, especially if like the Japanees movie above, you are at the mercy of evil spirits you have no control over; and there must be such in this world seemingly filled with evil ones. We can ask for help from higher beings. It is our only hope. I have discovered that my Great Grandmother on my mother's side has been trying to give me information.
    It is a long story. Amor

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