Steven Greer: At what point would the ETs intervene?

[Bill Ryan]

This is an interesting and wide-ranging new interview with Steven Greer (in which he gets asked two questions and talks for 99% of the time ), which I think deserves its own thread.

Whether or not one agrees with Greer that all ETs are benevolent (and I personally believe he is naive and incorrect in this), the claims and statements he makes absolutely deserve consideration.

He also raises the issues of suppressed Free Energy technology, and the rapid destruction of Earth's biosphere... and he's 100% right about both of those.

The video title is Ukraine, Oil and the UFO Solution.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2BjImPUbpf4

[DNA]

Of all the works in the UFO field Wendell Steven's contact books did more for my understanding than anything else.
Wendell's books bypass sightings and the question of if and march into first hand testimonial from people who've had first hand contact with actual occupants.

Wendell Stevens was a colonial in the US Air force and his job was maintaining flight cameras specialized to capture UFOs.

Reading his books is like, being an archaeologist and discovering a first hand account journal written by an acolyte of the gods.
These books were self published.
They never made it to the shelves of Barnes and Nobles.

If Miskatonic University of H.P. Lovecraft fame would have had a library room dedicated to UFOs, Wendell Stevens would be the Abdul Alhazard of that room.

That being said.
UFO Contact from Acart
Disserves some attention here.
This specific contact involves a farmer from Brazil who, startled a group of botanists from the planet Acart.

They stunned him and realizing he was a plant food farmer decided to bring him back to Acart.
A fascinating story, the initial story takes place in the late 40s or early 50s.

The farmer gives a first hand account of what it was like to be taken back to Acart.
A planet he described as a dessert planet with over 20 billion people.
Over populated.
Always looking for new plant food to grow on their planet.

The Acart people seemed very keen, almost hoping on a nuclear war on earth.
They were told by whatever guardian galactic organization that if there were a nuclear war on earth, that if Earth killed something like 80% of the population off through nuclear war, that they would be allowed to take over government wise.
That they had technology to neutralize nuclear radiation damage.
They could repair that kind of damage.
That they would assume control and begin importing their own people here after they did so.

I think it worth mentioning that Billy Meir, much later, like in the seventies or eighties stated that the closest populated planet to earth was Acart. Meir also went on to say that Acart wasn't that far ahead of earth technologically. Maybe a hundred years.

[Violet3]

I feel that Mr Greer's points, especially his big picture view (re the central problem of the fascist global control based on continued exploitation of non-renewable resources), and his spiritual stance as well, is absolutely worth serious consideration.
To your comment Dumpster Diver-it is not just Greer's personal opinion that free energy has been around but suppressed for a long time- Tesla was only one of many who have tried to bring this forward, and we all know that many of the so-called wars of 'liberation' engaged in by the military industrial complex had ulterior motives including of gaining control of resources and thus exerting force over other countries. This has been a complex and many-faceted operation which so many people have talked about from their different perspectives, and Greer's perspectives are certainly not unusual in this regard- why would what he have to say be tossed off as CIA garbage when he is only one of many saying the same thing? And re the ET issue and involvement with humanity, he is far from the only one talking openly about this either. If he was a CIA hack he would be more likely to talk about an ET threat, as that is a meme that has increasingly been promoted in main stream media, whereas Greer has been criticised for talking only about the positive side of the ET phenomenon.
Greer was asked why the ETs do not intervene in the Ukraine, and his answer (focusing both on ethics and practicalities) was completely reasonable and articulate.
He was quite impassioned in the interview, and under the current circumstances who is not; I found him quite inspiring and hope many people will listen to him speak. I would not agree with absolutely everything he says but really respect his work.

[DNA]

Greer seems like a good guy.
His points are good ones.

If his association with the government weirds you out then all you have to do is side step fraternizing with him and or avoid down loading his app software he keeps recommending.

I believe the elite use certain directors as mouth pieces explaining their agendas.
Christopher Nolan's movies are such as far as I'm concerned.

One such movie that applies to this conversation would be Batman 3.
In it we have a free energy device that would power all of Gotham basically at no cost. This device's use it is learned has a certain dark side though, it can be easily turned into a bomb rivaling the most powerful of nukes.

Richard Dolan said something similar in so far as free energy was concerned. Everybody wants it until you learn you can blow up the Pacific ocean with it.

[Harmony]

I certainly don't think ET's and interdimentional beings are all good or all bad. I find Steven Greer's information about the health of our planet worth paying attention to.

Also we see the cycles of governments and our money systems repeating their power plays on humanity and leaving the Earth in a worse condition over time as technology, as we know it, can now destroy the environment at a faster pace. Technology can be used for the good of everyone when used appropriately, but that would need minds that are connected to their hearts and the welfare of everyone to be the designers of such technology.

[Agape]

The sour point never yet addressed and explained enough by the ufo research community ( though attempts have been made ) is that we are them and they are us.

Even if the piece of them that reflects more or less in all of us is very tiny, if its intelligence proves successful we can do with it.

There have been numberless instances they’ve intervened and they are intervening now. Through us and pieces of know how we could made use of already, countless fragments of large solid knowledge base that had to be specifically applied to this planet and its physical parameters .

Applied by whom of course, by humans , that is relying on their ability to visualize solutions and carve them out of stone with precision ,
realize all the frustration it took us to get to this point.

There had been different groups and timeframes they’ve intervened so also human society now reminds me of ant colonies who will never duke it out together.

Yet, the power of supra intelligent solutions that can supersede conflicts, emergencies and help us build better, more harmonious and evolved civilization or few, living alongside each other in peace has been seeded in humanity since start and it’s been reactivated ahead of today’s events,

through our parent generations .

Now, we are asking our Star parents for help ( on the benevolent side of matters) and do we hope they hear us, I say yes.

We may wish and aspire for it in my opinion
and expand our awareness to whatever has already truly happened

but can’t see Dr Greer would be less confused on the straight question than any of the rest of us who are on the same boat. Neither do I know of anyone who have precisely a good answer to the question:
“When, where ..and how do we get there, in what kind of attire, attitude perhaps”.

If I say “I wish they were around really soon with ice cream cone and cookie shaped ships that melt hearts , perhaps throw down couple candies” ,
my wishes are stupid but honest.

Thinking ahead and if that ever happens, the best of their visit would better be a garden party than Congress session or military emergency.

We don’t have to talk even.

Just drink some space bubbles and laugh about it All would dissolve lots of trouble.


No need to drill more holes to people’s heads and dose them with strange physics .

The garden party is opened from my point of view ...


🙏🌎🍉

[Ankle Biter]

Posted by Violet3 (here)
I feel that Mr Greer's points, especially his big picture view (re the central problem of the fascist global control based on continued exploitation of non-renewable resources), and his spiritual stance as well, is absolutely worth serious consideration.

This part I gave serious consideration, particularly in regards to using meditation as one of the tools to help ascension. Though my intuition says the question is at what point will the ETs cease to intervene? This one I think we have to sort out ourselves.

I would have liked to see him deconstruct more the global fascist control, specifically driving forces, aside from being set up as a corporate structure for profits.

[Delight]

Posted by DNA (here)
Of all the works in the UFO field Wendell Steven's contact books did more for my understanding than anything else.
Wendell's books bypass sightings and the question of if and march into first hand testimonial from people who've had first hand contact with actual occupants.

Wendell Stevens was a colonial in the US Air force and his job was maintaining flight cameras specialized to capture UFOs.

Reading his books is like, being an archaeologist and discovering a first hand account journal written by an acolyte of the gods.
These books were self published.
They never made it to the shelves of Barnes and Nobles.

If Miskatonic University of H.P. Lovecraft fame would have had a library room dedicated to UFOs, Wendell Stevens would be the Abdul Alhazard of that room.

That being said.
UFO Contact from Acart
Disserves some attention here.
This specific contact involves a farmer from Brazil who, startled a group of botanists from the planet Acart.

They stunned him and realizing he was a plant food farmer decided to bring him back to Acart.
A fascinating story, the initial story takes place in the late 40s or early 50s.

The farmer gives a first hand account of what it was like to be taken back to Acart.
A planet he described as a dessert planet with over 20 billion people.
Over populated.
Always looking for new plant food to grow on their planet.

The Acart people seemed very keen, almost hoping on a nuclear war on earth.
They were told by whatever guardian galactic organization that if there were a nuclear war on earth, that if Earth killed something like 80% of the population off through nuclear war, that they would be allowed to take over government wise.
That they had technology to neutralize nuclear radiation damage.
They could repair that kind of damage.
That they would assume control and begin importing their own people here after they did so.

I think it worth mentioning that Billy Meir, much later, like in the seventies or eighties stated that the closest populated planet to earth was Acart. Meir also went on to say that Acart wasn't that far ahead of earth technologically. Maybe a hundred years.

Never heard that story. It jives in a way with the idea that terraforming of earth is for some alien to earth form. Trying to dry up and disturb CO2 and O2 atmosphere makes NO SENSE if human globalists are trying to keep the world for themselves as human?

IMO at this point IF this is bout the material world being threatened by EVIL, we need HELP! IF there are benevolent offworlders who love the earth life forms including humans, I welcome their helpful intervention. However, I am not sure what is really happening.

I do not know if this is a simulation? AM I personally (and by extension all of Yous who are like Mes sons/daughters of god) creating the projection of my/our own mind(s)? Am I HERE to learn how to be moral and ethical citizens of a LOVE based Universe? IS THIS A GAME? IS there any consequence eternally for messing up?

I am quite mixed up about what is really true about the reason for all this HORROR I observe. Therefore, since I do not know MUCH, I look for what I sense I KNOW. I KNOW I could never have designed such perfect intermeshing of beauty as is possible on earth. I know there MUST be a Creator way way beyond all mental knowing. I know I feel a PRESENCE of Majesty and LOVE. I love this Unknown Supreme Creator GOD.

I will FOREVER LOVE this Unknown, known only by Presence. I will expect that any enlightened life form must know this Presence. That would be my yard stick... WHO KNOWS GOD IS REAL and seeks to follow this PRESENCE is OK.

[Adrian86]

It has been many years since i have visited this material, but yesterday I felt compelled to watch a video on Bob Lazar. I found a video i haven't seen before and thoroughly enjoyed re-listening to his story.
After watching I left thinking about the idea that the US military supposedly have high alien technology at their disposal and what have they been doing with it all these years? Are people fighting over this technology?

The tech leads towards Artificial Gravity, an Invisibility cloak, forcefields, a field propulsion system and the potential for time travel.
If the story is true and humans have this tech to play with, how do you think that could affect the narratives drilled into us by the mockingbird media, especially regarding 'climate change', world government, world war and the iron mountain concept of peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDg22_ycv6c

[Agape]

I think that the whole paradigm of “we and them” is hiding in plain sight. Sometimes I really struggle to place the pronouns in writing about these subjects but when we say “we have the technologies ..” , who is “we”.
We may also say something like “we most definitely have all the money to pay for your children’s education and life saving surgery”,
again, who is “we”.

If you a geek working for computer or space industry, you don’t have to be even Bob Lazar to know that “we have the tech to fly ET back home” but it’s a work in progress at the moment.

We do have the tech to terraform the planet if we choose to do that and modulate weather patterns. It’s at start you may say but the know how exists.

Name anything but don’t forget who “we” is , I mean,
the situation on this planet is controlled by powerful oligarchs of all nations.

Now these people think they are more capable than the rest of us and will control the situation on this planet until it is necessary, according to them.

This may not be true or right but it’s virtually impossible to get rid of those people who own the tech, who own giant companies and who own governments .

The “we” are playing , the top trending human game at this point is “Monopoly”.


Either way around and anyone who watches the world, the internet with open and even half educated mind can eventually understand how much information “we have” and that all the problem above is about inequality, social injustice, war of humans against other humans lasting for generations, endless competition for power.
There is no “righteous side” in all that historical game,
wish everyone got a chance to notice it but with our current evolution speed and information processing it may be a matter of time before most people get there.

“We” are not starving for lack of resources, not short of wheat and oil supplies, yet, the threat is carried on by some of our “oh so merciful” governments in order to push its citizenry to corner, perhaps to prepare them for war.

This too is unreal. It’s an artificially created paradigm propagated and enforced by “Monopoly” power players. The reason why “we” count as dumb is mostly because we can’t change the paradigm or attack it easily and have very few options left other than “watching the show”.

Anything beyond that translates as anarchy ( to whatever monarchy) in my opinion.


Even if ET intervened from Space at this point , on all our behalf, the monopoly about the information would continue being played, regardless and also considering how heavily militarized we are at this point.

There is nothing “we” don’t have in labs already including the ability to prolong human life almost indefinitely if it was practical at this point of our social evolution.
Not so far, we are still herding yaks, sheep ..and people ,
whole groups of people , whole nations of people ..and deciding of their fate , their status, their caste among other castes.

And then again ..who is “we”,

can we , are we actually able to discern predators from the prey
instead of just messing up and speak like the blind , blinded by the lights, literarily , blinded by megalights of their shiny businesses and parties that never stop and ever increasing sunlight on the beach.

Beware of getting caught in their traps, in my honest opinion I say, no matter what tech and know how are or will be offered , even if far advanced it will always be also incomplete as long as this historical conflict lasts within humanity.

Portrayal of ET - coming from quite different social and evolution stage of civilization and physical parameters that are not fully compatible with ours as “humans” is fictional, deceptive and most naive.

Even if they have the technical ability to project or cloak themselves “ as humans” in order to communicate with us in some instances,
their native environments and biological structure are unique to them and vice versa.

What we would really need is peace on Earth to stop playing with deception in order to understand the situation better. Any advanced space intelligence naturally operates based in its own properties and paradigms ,
and to have even a glimpse of their existence we would have to be able to rise beyond our own.

It would definitely be a riveting and thrilling adventure to be able to do it really.
Beyond the deceptive divisiveness of human rhetorics even.

I think it’s been tried technically many times but failed on the precipice after some time, in my opinion.

The question is “why” and why does our communication with ET fails each and every time we try. Why can’t we keep the line.

My answer to this is that “we humans” that is most of us have ethical error we break each and every time in a relationship to anything living.

We think we are quite perfect , after graduation and most people never reflect on their true errors especially not gross ethical mistakes they’ve ever committed against life, in short, we excuse ourselves truly for everything and carry on.

These downfalls naturally come through all our communications as “technical glitch”.


We may beg “please pardon our trespasses” even then and until we are able to perform without the “glitch” of radical expectations or say, deceptive coding,
the communication will always fail.


🙏🍵🙏

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

Friends, I've just deleted several posts that that the mods felt were trivial or inappropriate on this thread. I posted the interview because it seemed that some of the points Steven Greer brings up are major and worthy of serious discussion. There were some issues that any one of us (including myself) could have tabled as intelligent, open questions.

For anyone who wants to discuss Greer's provenance and/or personality/personal views, there are several other threads, easily found. THX.