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    Default Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    The Vatican performed a rite today to "Consecrate Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary". I heard this last night and thought "WTF does that even mean???" They will also consecrated the Ukraine. And the rest of the world. This is bizare at so many levels and makes me ask:
    • What does it mean to consecrate a nation?
    • What does it mean in terms of the second "secret" of Fátima?
    • What does it mean in terms of world politics and spiritual warfare?

    Consecration

    Quote Consecration, in general, is an act by which a thing is separated from a common and profane to a sacred use, or by which a person or thing is dedicated to the service and worship of God by prayers, rites, and ceremonies.
    https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/consecration
    So, one can consecrate a person or thing. Which is "Russia"? Is it a thing (a land mass with natural and man-made structures on it) or a group of people, i.e., the Russians?

    The "thing" that is most often consecrated is a church building. It is done to designate it as "sacred space", separate from the "profane" world. You pray in church, act reverently there, dress modestly. You don't do certain things there (incite violence, have sex, do drugs, swear, etc.) or that would be sacrilege. So if Russia is now consecrated, would that mean all the mafia drug dens and whorehouses in Moscow, all the military weapons depots in Siberia, all Russian garbage dumps, etc. are now holy places just like St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican???

    But people are consecrated too. These rites are usually done when they are present and with their consent. In fact is a very deep desire of the individual to be consecrated. Yet, most Russians are Eastern Orthodox and probably would not consent to today's Roman Catholic ceremony. And the ceremony is taking place in the Vatican and Fatima, Portugal, not in Russia, and there probably won't be many Russians present.

    So that Roman church usually has some precedent for what it does, in line with it's previous actions, but the of consecrating Russia has none, and makes little sense. Except perhaps if you look at the second secret of Fátima...

    Fátima

    In 1917, a series of events took place in Fátima, Portugal that were witnessed by three children. Two of the children died shortly after, but the third, Lucia Santos, lived a very long life as a nun. In 1941 Lucia revealed that she had received three secrets in apocalyptic visions during that time, and then the first two were published. The second was about Russia:

    Quote You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world
    So, when Lucia allegedly received these messages in 1917, she was 10 years old and did not even know about a country called Russia, or that it was undergoing a revolution and the powers that took over were trying to banish Christianity there. However, it would be another 24 years before she published this information, and much of the time she had been in a convent and would probably have a lot of advisors she could talk about these visions to, and they may have influenced her view of what these messages were. The prophesy mentioned Pope Pius XI who was pope from 1921 to 1939. She could not have known that name at the time of Fatima. During Pius XI tenure as pope, there was no consecration, Russian communists found new ways to suppress the church, and finally World War II did break out and it was devastating to the Russians, so it seems like her revelation of the "secret" was too late to stop the doom it had predicted.

    Several popes including Pius XII, Paul VI, and John Paul II performed ceremonies to consecrate Russia, but Russia continued to suppress religion and fuel the cold war tension that created the Iron Curtain. Then in 1991, Lucia, then in her eighties, told Pope John Paul II that the ceremonies worked, since Russia was now allowing religious freedom and the cold war seemed to have ended.

    World Politics and Spiritual Warfare

    I have only questions on this one. Why is the church performing this rite? Why now? Is this just a political stunt on behalf of NATO and EU powers that want to possession of the Ukraine? Or does the church really think it is channeling some type of spiritual energy that is related to the apparitions of Fátima? And are the Vatican and Orthodox churches enemies in this war?

    The Roman Catholic church has had a long running feud with the Orthodox Christian churches since 1054 A.D. but in the last few decades, the Roman church has tried to improve that relationship, and the largest of the orthodox church is the Russian church. Kirill, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church is on good terms with Putin and has expressed support for invasion of the Ukraine. Today's "consecration" does a lot to deepen the rift between the two churches. And it also is totally out of line with the rites and rituals of the church. Almost every thing they do is justified by centuries of precedent, by volumes of text, usually in Latin, of canon law. This action is completely crazy.

    And while we've seen the Pope and many top Vatican officials talking of a new world order and promoting vaccination, we have also seen a few Catholics staunchly opposed to these actions, for example, Archbishop Vigano. I wonder where those people stand now?
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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    The news story through the official Vatican channel:

    Pope consecrates Russia & Ukraine: ‘Spiritual act of trust amid cruel war’
    Pope Francis consecrates all humanity—especially Russia and Ukraine—to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and says the act expresses our complete trust in the Virgin Mary in the midst of the “cruel and senseless war” in Ukraine.
    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/n...-war-lent.html
    By Devin Watkins

    Pope Francis presided over the annual “24 Hours for the Lord” Lenten penitential service in St. Peter’s Basilica on Friday evening, as the Church marked the feast of the Annunciation.

    Toward the end of the liturgy, the Pope prayed the Act of Consecration of humanity, especially of Russia and Ukraine, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    He prayed the Act in communion with all Catholic Bishops across the globe, as the Papal Almoner, Cardinal Konrad Krajewski, did the same at the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima, in Portugal.

    The Pope’s renewal of the Consecration came in response to the war in Ukraine and at the request of the Blessed Virgin Mary made in an apparition at Fatima on 13 July 1917.

    Spiritual act of trust

    In his homily at the Celebration of Penance, Pope Francis reflected on humanity’s need for God’s forgiveness and on the meaning of the Consecration.

    He said the renewal of the Act of Consecration is meant to consecrate the Church and all the whole of humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine, to Mary’s Immaculate Heart.

    Quote This is no magic formula but a spiritual act. It is an act of complete trust on the part of children who, amid the tribulation of this cruel and senseless war that threatens our world, turn to their Mother, reposing all their fears and pain in her heart and abandoning themselves to her.”
    The Pope added that we place all that we have and are into “pure and undefiled heart, where God is mirrored.”

    Helplessness in face of vicious war

    Pope Francis lamented the “vicious war” in Ukraine, which has killed many and caused immense suffering.

    Quote In these days, news reports and scenes of death continue to enter our homes, even as bombs are destroying the homes of many of our defenceless Ukrainian brothers and sisters.”
    The war, added the Pope, reminds us of our “helplessness and our inadequacy”, as well as of our need for the “closeness of God and the certainty of His forgiveness.”

    God alone, he said, can eliminate evil, disarm resentment, and restore peace to our hearts.

    Pope Francis recalled that God chose the Virgin Mary to change history by beginning a new story of “salvation and peace.”

    Quote “If we want the world to change, then first our hearts must change.”
    Sacrament of joy

    The Pope went on to reflect on Mary’s encounter with the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation, in which God invites her to become the mother of the Son of God.

    The angel Gabriel gave Mary the only true reason for joy, said the Pope, with his words that “the Lord is with you.”

    Pope Francis said Catholics experience something similar in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, since God draws near to us when we present ourselves with humble, repentant hearts.

    Confession is the “sacrament of joy,” he said. “The Lord enters our home, as he did that of Mary in Nazareth, and brings us unexpected amazement and joy.”

    The Pope also urged priests to always express God’s forgiveness in Confession, and never project an air of rigidity or harshness.

    “If a priest doesn’t possess this attitude with the proper sentiments in his heart,” he said, “then it would be better he not act as a confessor.”

    Weakness turned into resurrection

    Pope Francis also said the angel Gabriel tells Mary: “Do not be afraid.”

    God, he added, already knows our weaknesses and failures, but that He invites us to lay them at His feet in the person of the priest when we receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

    Our weaknesses can then become “opportunities for resurrection.”

    Mary, in turn, now invites us to return to the source of our life, to the Lord, “who is the ultimate remedy against fear and emptiness in life.”

    Pope Francis concluded that Mary’s response to God’s invitation was “a lively desire to obey God”.

    Quote May she now take our own journey into her hands. May she guide our steps through the steep and arduous paths of fraternity and dialogue, along the way of peace.”

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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    And yet is he also as they say here? If so will it do any good to the world , especially the sincere prayers of the people that prayed with him? I have family that believe the pope is holy and they believe and do as he says and they’re not “bad” people so will their good belief offset his badness?

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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    Another article explaining the meaning and significance of the consecration of Russia.

    https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pop...ate-russia?s=w

    Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine. What's that mean?
    A Pillar Explainer
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    Mar 15, 2022

    The Vatican announced Tuesday that Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary March 25, and that a papal envoy will conduct the same consecration in Fatima.
    The consecrations - performed by Pope Francis and papal almoner Cardinal Konrad Krajewski - come after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and are connected to the 1917 apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima urging that Russia be consecrated to Mary’s Immaculate Heart.

    Not sure what this is all about? Here’s what you need to know.

    What’s a consecration?

    Consecration means setting something apart, dedicating it to a sacred purpose.

    The word is used often in Catholicism: churches are consecrated, sacred vessels are consecrated, women can become consecrated virgins, men and women’s religious orders are called “consecrated life,” and “consecration” is used to describe the sacramental confection of the Eucharist.

    There is also a Catholic devotional custom of private consecration to Christ through Mary, by a set of devotional prayers. The practice of personal consecration to Mary has roots in the early centuries of Christianity, and was popular in many parts of the Church by the ninth century.

    In recent centuries, St. Louis de Montfort, St. Maximilian Kolbe, and Pope St. John Paul II have encouraged personal devotional consecration to Mary. In fact, Pope St. John Paul II’s motto, Totus Tuus, evoke the words of his own consecration to Christ through Mary: “Totally yours, Mary.”

    As early as the ninth century, bishops and priests began to consecrate cities to the Blessed Virgin Mary as well, as a way of asking for her intercessory protection. Louis XIII consecrated France to Mary in 1638, and other countries have done the same.

    Ok, but Russia? And what does this have to do with Fatima?

    Three Portuguese children in 1917 had visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, during which Mary is said to have given messages to the visionary children about the state of the world.

    Three of those messages became known as the secrets of Fatima, because they were not revealed to the public for a long time. But one of the visionaries, Sr. Lucia dos Santos, revealed two of the messages in her 1941 memoir.

    The first secret was a vision of hell the children say Mary allowed them to see.

    The second was that World War I would end, and another war would begin during the reign of Pius XI, “if people do not cease offending God.”

    To prevent war, the children say that Mary requested:

    “The consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    Pius XI died on the eve of World War II, months before Germany invaded Poland, which is generally regarded as the start of the war.

    So has Russia been consecrated to Mary?

    In 1942, Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, joined by the bishops of Portugal. The pope said that only Mary, the queen of peace, could bring an end to the war ravaging Europe, Asia, and North Africa, and he dedicated the human race to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    In 1952, Pius XII issued an apostolic letter entrusting the Russian people to the intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    In 1964, Pope St. Paul VI offered a public prayer entrusting the whole human race to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    Pope St. John Paul II offered several consecration prayers to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; the most well-known and public was in 1984.

    On March 25, 1984, he offered prayers of solemn consecration, which dedicated the world to Mary. While the pope’s text did not specifically mention Russia, some historians say that John Paul II privately added the words in his prayer. Bishops from around the world had been invited to join the consecration, and many did.

    According to some accounts, the pope was urged not to mention Russia by name in the public prayers of the 1984 consecration, because it would anger the Russian Orthodox hierarchy, who opposed the notion of Catholics consecrating their country to Mary, and because of Vatican efforts at political diplomacy with the USSR.

    Because of that omission, some Catholics have argued that Pope John Paul II did not actually consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary — and some Catholics continue to raise that objection.

    But after the consecration, Sr. Lucia - the visionary who recorded the message from Mary - said several times that she believed the consecration request had been fulfilled. And in 2000, the Holy See said the consecration “has been done just as Our Lady asked.”


    Then why is Pope Francis reconsecrating Russia? Didn’t the first one take?

    The consecration of sacred objects, including churches is not usually repeated, unless some grave act of blasphemy or desecration has occurred within them. Archbishop Gregory Aymond, for example, reconsecrated in 2020 a church where a priest had engaged in grave sexual acts on the altar.

    But personal consecrations can be renewed as an act of faith and devotion, and often are. And in early March, the Latin Catholic bishops of Ukraine asked Pope Francis to “publicly perform the act of consecration to the Sacred Immaculate Heart of Mary of Ukraine and Russia, as requested by the Blessed Virgin in Fatima.”

    The new consecration is not a concession from the Holy See that the 1984 consecration was in some way insufficient, but this act will be more explicit, presumably naming Russia and Ukraine in the prayers themselves. That may well spark new rounds of conspiracy theories about past consecrations, or be taken as a sign that Pope St. John Paul II did not really complete the consecration.

    But more likely, Pope Francis intends his prayers to be acts of renewal — pleas to God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary — in a time of great hardship, rather than making up for previous acts called into question.

    A lot of this is kind of strange to me. Do I have to believe it?

    No. The messages of Fatima fall into the category of “private revelation,” and are not required to be believed by Catholics. They are not doctrine or dogma. When the Church approves an apparition, as she has for Fatima, the vision and its messages are deemed to be appropriate for belief, but not required.
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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    Three things spring to mind;

    One is that a non Christian like Francis has no power to invoke anything to do with God.

    An other is that the Fatima phenomena is really something that belongs to ufology, not religion, you really can't just cherry pick parts of the story & leave the rest out, as Jacques Vallee & others have pointed out.

    Lastly; it's a media circus & psy-op.

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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    It is all a theatrical play as usual. Pure refined garbage for the ones who still refuse to see the man in control behind the curtain. I would compare the pope with Tigbalang hybrid beast horse creature from hell (Philippine folklore), specially after said he was the devil.

    Quote ”(Pope Paul II) was a saint, I am the devil.”.
    I once knew an ex-priest in Portugal, he worked for Vatican and he lost his faith in the church and became a lay man once again, he told me exactly what @Spiral wrote above about Fátima, he said it was related to Aliens and nothing to do with faith or the church itself.

    I agree with the words of Spiral right above, but know the current Pope is highly involved in sorcery.
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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    Quite arrogant on the part of the Pope as well. Russia has her own Church and traditions. Also, as Spiral suggests, the Pope (or whoever else) has no power to meaningfully perform anything that requires the actions of the spiritual world.

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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    The Vatican performed a rite today to "Consecrate Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary". I heard this last night and thought "WTF does that even mean???" They will also consecrated the Ukraine. And the rest of the world. This is bizare at so many levels and makes me ask:
    • What does it mean to consecrate a nation?
    • What does it mean in terms of the second "secret" of Fátima?
    • What does it mean in terms of world politics and spiritual warfare?

    Consecration

    Quote Consecration, in general, is an act by which a thing is separated from a common and profane to a sacred use, or by which a person or thing is dedicated to the service and worship of God by prayers, rites, and ceremonies.
    https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/consecration
    So, one can consecrate a person or thing. Which is "Russia"? Is it a thing (a land mass with natural and man-made structures on it) or a group of people, i.e., the Russians?

    The "thing" that is most often consecrated is a church building. It is done to designate it as "sacred space", separate from the "profane" world. You pray in church, act reverently there, dress modestly. You don't do certain things there (incite violence, have sex, do drugs, swear, etc.) or that would be sacrilege. So if Russia is now consecrated, would that mean all the mafia drug dens and whorehouses in Moscow, all the military weapons depots in Siberia, all Russian garbage dumps, etc. are now holy places just like St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican???

    But people are consecrated too. These rites are usually done when they are present and with their consent. In fact is a very deep desire of the individual to be consecrated. Yet, most Russians are Eastern Orthodox and probably would not consent to today's Roman Catholic ceremony. And the ceremony is taking place in the Vatican and Fatima, Portugal, not in Russia, and there probably won't be many Russians present.

    So that Roman church usually has some precedent for what it does, in line with it's previous actions, but the of consecrating Russia has none, and makes little sense. Except perhaps if you look at the second secret of Fátima...

    Fátima

    In 1917, a series of events took place in Fátima, Portugal that were witnessed by three children. Two of the children died shortly after, but the third, Lucia Santos, lived a very long life as a nun. In 1941 Lucia revealed that she had received three secrets in apocalyptic visions during that time, and then the first two were published. The second was about Russia:

    Quote You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world
    So, when Lucia allegedly received these messages in 1917, she was 10 years old and did not even know about a country called Russia, or that it was undergoing a revolution and the powers that took over were trying to banish Christianity there. However, it would be another 24 years before she published this information, and much of the time she had been in a convent and would probably have a lot of advisors she could talk about these visions to, and they may have influenced her view of what these messages were. The prophesy mentioned Pope Pius XI who was pope from 1921 to 1939. She could not have known that name at the time of Fatima. During Pius XI tenure as pope, there was no consecration, Russian communists found new ways to suppress the church, and finally World War II did break out and it was devastating to the Russians, so it seems like her revelation of the "secret" was too late to stop the doom it had predicted.

    Several popes including Pius XII, Paul VI, and John Paul II performed ceremonies to consecrate Russia, but Russia continued to suppress religion and fuel the cold war tension that created the Iron Curtain. Then in 1991, Lucia, then in her eighties, told Pope John Paul II that the ceremonies worked, since Russia was now allowing religious freedom and the cold war seemed to have ended.

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    I have only questions on this one. Why is the church performing this rite? Why now? Is this just a political stunt on behalf of NATO and EU powers that want to possession of the Ukraine? Or does the church really think it is channeling some type of spiritual energy that is related to the apparitions of Fátima? And are the Vatican and Orthodox churches enemies in this war?

    The Roman Catholic church has had a long running feud with the Orthodox Christian churches since 1054 A.D. but in the last few decades, the Roman church has tried to improve that relationship, and the largest of the orthodox church is the Russian church. Kirill, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church is on good terms with Putin and has expressed support for invasion of the Ukraine. Today's "consecration" does a lot to deepen the rift between the two churches. And it also is totally out of line with the rites and rituals of the church. Almost every thing they do is justified by centuries of precedent, by volumes of text, usually in Latin, of canon law. This action is completely crazy.

    And while we've seen the Pope and many top Vatican officials talking of a new world order and promoting vaccination, we have also seen a few Catholics staunchly opposed to these actions, for example, Archbishop Vigano. I wonder where those people stand now?

    Doesn't it have something to do with the Fatima prophecies? I recall some kind of warning of dire consequence if Russia was not consecrated to Mary... I'm fuzzy on this.

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    Default Re: Vatican consecrates Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary, March 25th 2022

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    Quite arrogant on the part of the Pope as well. Russia has her own Church and traditions. Also, as Spiral suggests, the Pope (or whoever else) has no power to meaningfully perform anything that requires the actions of the spiritual world.
    Pope and Arrogance? Goes without saying.

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    Interesting interview with James Tunney. He is not a Roman Catholic, but seems to believe that there is a prophetic message in the Fatima secrets that relates to beliefs and messages from indigenous communities.


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    Talking about synchronicity!

    What are the chances that I am right now (at 14.00 today) reading a book by an author just mentioned above?
    The book is James Tunney's latest: "Human Entrance to Transhumanism". Not an easy read by any means, but well worth the time spent to read it.

    A thread about Tunney's work can be worthwhile. I must admit that the book is sometimes depressing because it really puts the finger on what humanity is "accepting as its fate", i.e. dehumanization.

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    The Vatican performed a rite today to "Consecrate Russia to the Sacred Heart of Mary". I heard this last night and thought "WTF does that even mean???" They will also consecrated the Ukraine. And the rest of the world. This is bizare at so many levels and makes me ask:
    • What does it mean to consecrate a nation?
    • What does it mean in terms of the second "secret" of Fátima?
    • What does it mean in terms of world politics and spiritual warfare?
    When things like this happen, repeatedly, it makes me wonder about all of the prophecies that we've grown up with. There have been several instances where the Pope or Vatican have done things which appear to be deliberately pitched at satisfying an apocalyptic reading of the Bible, from the statue of Moloch within the Vatican walls to the pagan ceremonies or Asherah's pillars within the Nativity scene. I wouldn't be surprised if Pope Francis grows horns and starts poking people with a trident next.

    I'm not catholic but I went to Fatima many years ago. It left me cold, a vast concrete space which looked more suited to extracting donations from the faithful than a genuinely spiritual place. I don't think there's anything in Jesus's teachings about venerating Mary any more than an instruction to build a giant pile of gold in Rome and repurpose/rename all the statues of Magna Mater into Mother Mary, but that's what they seem to have done. I think it's just one more example of one surface religion thinly masking a different one beneath and that makes me deeply suspicious of what's really at work. That said, there's some fascinating content here on Avalon about the repeated visions of the 'Queen of Heaven'.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...s-and-secrets/

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...orld-religion/

    This also reminds me that as various signs of The Book Of Revelation appear to be ticked off, from the great sign in the sky of 2017 onwards, the question remains as to why this book was included in the Bible despite the opposition of many Christians at the time, why the Church of St John the divine (author of Rev) has all that Masonic symbolism encoded within it etc. Is this really someone else playbook, tacked onto the Bible?

    Sorry, may have drifted a bit off topic there...

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