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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Jena, you think my posts are a personal attack on you, but I have been a "conspiracy theorist" for a long time, and that is one of the purposes for which this forum was created.
    We look below the surface of things to find the whole picture on this forum so that we are not fooled like so many people who are asleep in this world now, whose very lives are in danger because they are in so much denial.
    You know nothing about me, about my past, my relationships, my spirituality, yet you project all your anger onto me because I point out uncomfortable truths.
    I think that you mean well, and though your community members may be happy now, what does the future hold for them if the Chinese government does the same to them as they did to the communities they destroyed, to those who almost overnight became homeless and probably destitute?
    Forewarned is better than blindsided, even if waking up to the danger is painful.
    If I were living in such a potentially dangerous situation, I would not be inviting others to join me, for their own sake.
    Take good care.
    Quote but I have been a "conspiracy theorist" for a long time,
    Okay, just do what you like.

    Quote we are not fooled like so many people who are asleep in this world now, whose very lives are in danger because they are in so much denial.
    Dear, I hope you can understand that you are only normal human being, you have no right or ability to help others unless you are already a god or celestial being. Our energy is too small to take care of others. You just need to protect yourself and that is already enough.

    Quote You know nothing about me, about my past, my relationships, my spirituality, yet you project all your anger onto me because I point out uncomfortable truths.
    Truth? You know nothing about the Greatest Creator, Jesus and Buddha, and then you tell me that you know the truth? Okay, if you still think what you do or share are sooo right, just do it. I surely know little about you, so do you. But from all the sharings about China and CCP and all your replies to my posts about Lifechanyuan, I can tell some.

    Quote what does the future hold for them if the Chinese government does the same to them as they did to the communities they destroyed, to those who almost overnight became homeless and probably destitute?
    Their future? You worry about them? What can you do then? You can do nothing but just bring fear! So? You are the savior? You can help these poor guys? Natalie, please open your eyes BIG and let me tell you: they are still having strong faith in the Greatest Creator and Guide Xuefeng. They are living not bad. Xuefeng is now 65 years old with an eye blind but he still tries his best to make money and devote himself into Lifechanyuan and make Canadian branch run well every day! And he takes good care of these old chanyuan members and gives them 1500 RMB per month to make them live good. Natalie, if you were Guide Xuefeng, can you do this? Can you make money to raise yourself up and then still have the ability to help those old chanyuan members?

    Quote Forewarned is better than blindsided, even if waking up to the danger is painful.
    If I were living in such a potentially dangerous situation, I would not be inviting others to join me, for their own sake.
    Thanks for your fake kindness. You know nothing about us and the importance of Lifechanyuan.

    BTW...please DO NOT SEND ME ANY PRIVATE MESSAGE AGAIN! I don't want to chat with you with any private message.

    If could, please keep quite on my posts or stay away from my posts if you can not say any positive words to my community and my faith.

    Thanks for your GREAT AND USELESS WORRIES about our community. I will share the information of Thailand and Canada branches on this thread later.

    Hope you can be Very safe and peaceful all the time!

    Bye!
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    Jena, I have not sent you any PMs for several days and in my last one, I asked you to stop sending them to me as I am just deleting them unread.
    However, you will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I think I have already said all I intend to say about your community and your proselytizing, so you need not worry about that.
    I would just like to add, for the benefit of other readers who may not have taken the time to watch them, that in one of the videos that you created which I posted in your thread, there is a car parked just outside the ecovillage gate, apparently sent by the local government in China which was responsible for shutting down the former ecovillages.
    As described in the video, the car was repeatedly broadcasting a loud recorded message about marriage (also the education of children) for the "benefit" (ie harassment) of the community members.
    So it seems that is strong evidence that the local government did not approve of the no marriage rule, and that likely had a lot to do with why they took such drastic actions.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    If marriage is forbidden, then what is actually being practiced is what we call in the West polyamory, which by its very nature, is characterized by promiscuity.
    I don't agree with the logic here: there are other places marriage is forbidden: convents and monasteries - and these are not places of polyamory and promiscuity. (Although we do find a few individuals from these places who may be promiscuous, just as there are married people who are.) Not marrying can also lead to things other then polyamory, like serial monogamy or even celibacy. I am not married, but I am in a relationship coming up on 22 years. A sex addict might hear about Lifechanuan and say "that place is for me", but might just arrive there and find that the attitude of people might not be the same as his.

    I know if there is a name for this logical fallacy, but I see it all them time, including here on Avalon: "If you depart from the norm and want to take a step in the direction of x (where x is some ideology or social system, for example, socialism, free market capitalism, etc.), then, therefore it follows, you must be for taking 5 steps in that direction, and since you are for taking 5 steps, you are necessarily committed to pursuing that direction until y happens - and y is usually one of two things: (1) A system of total authoritarian control, despotism and lack of freedom (2) A world of chaotic criminality and violence.

    Just as I know many people who have long term meaningful relationship (often healthier relationship than some of the married people I know), I can imagine there are people experiencing the same thing in Jena's community.

    But as much as I am not a huge proponent of marriage, I would not be part of a community that does not permit it. Marriage has been a part of every culture here on the planet. It gives some people emotional and economic stability. I am just not for joining any community that wants so radically transform and restrict peoples social life as to forbid marriage. Which isn't to say that I object to other people from doing so, and I appreciate Jena sharing with us the great happiness her community has given her.

    I don't know if you are familiar with Raëlism which may be a tad bit cultish, but is far from being the most abusive cult out there. I don't get the sense that their members have been brainwashed or have any delusions worse than most religious persons (like myself). Their leader, is indeed polyamorous and quite publicly promiscuous. However, many people in his group have chosen celibacy or monogamy, and that is also respected option, as long as you don't mind living around others who are not pursuing that path.

    I guess the only way to know for certain would be to visit Lifechanyuan for a bit and live there, but while Jena sounds like she would be a most gracious and friendly person who I would love to meet , (as well as you Onawah! ) I don't think that is going to happen.

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    Agreed, Kryztian. I did go overboard in characterzing polyamory as being synonymous with promiscuity, but polyamory can lead to abuse as much as unhappy marriages can.
    And I think the polyamorous are probably more likely to be or to become sex addicts.
    ( I had a personal experience with a spiritual community that was founded by a secret philanderer, so perhaps I am a bit oversensitive about such matters.)

    In the case of convents and monastaries-- they are usually inhabited by individuals who have taken a vow of celibacy, and that is more or less expected behavior in such places, so that doesn't really factor in so much.
    I certainly agree with you here:
    "Just as I know many people who have long term meaningful relationship (often healthier relationship than some of the married people I know), I can imagine there are people experiencing the same thing in Jena's community.

    But as much as I am not a huge proponent of marriage, I would not be part of a community that does not permit it. Marriage has been a part of every culture here on the planet. It gives some people emotional and economic stability. I am just not for joining any community that wants so radically transform and restrict peoples social life as to forbid marriage. Which isn't to say that I object to other people from doing so, and I appreciate Jena sharing with us the great happiness her community has given her."

    My cautious approach comes from knowing that the creator of Lifechanyuan was secretly having relationships with a number of women in the community, and from my awareness of many intentional communities around the world which have had similar histories, and how that has been responsible for a lot of ongoing problems.

    I don't think that being single and having numerous relationships is wrong, anymore than I think marriage should be abolished.

    As far as the education of children, I imagine the Lifechanyuan children are much better off than the majority who are subject to CCP brainwashing in the public schools, but at the same time, could be in danger from the CCP for precisely that reason.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    If marriage is forbiddecessarilyen, then what is actually being practiced is what we call in the West polyamory, which by its very nature, is characterized by promiscuity.
    I don't agree with the logic here: there are other places marriage is forbidden: convents and monasteries - and these are not places of polyamory and promiscuity. (Although we do find a few individuals from these places who may be promiscuous, just as there are married people who are.) Not marrying can also lead to things other then polyamory, like serial monogamy or even celibacy. I am not married, but I am in a relationship coming up on 22 years. A sex addict might hear about Lifechanuan and say "that place is for me", but might just arrive there and find that the attitude of people might not be the same as his.

    I know if there is a name for this logical fallacy, but I see it all them time, including here on Avalon: "If you depart from the norm and want to take a step in the direction of x (where x is some ideology or social system, for example, socialism, free market capitalism, etc.), then, therefore it follows, you must be for taking 5 steps in that direction, and since you are for taking 5 steps, you are necessarily committed to pursuing that direction until y happens - and y is usually one of two things: (1) A system of total authoritarian control, despotism and lack of freedom (2) A world of chaotic criminality and violence.

    Just as I know many people who have long term meaningful relationship (often healthier relationship than some of the married people I know), I can imagine there are people experiencing the same thing in Jena's community.

    But as much as I am not a huge proponent of marriage, I would not be part of a community that does not permit it. Marriage has been a part of every culture here on the planet. It gives some people emotional and economic stability. I am just not for joining any community that wants so radically transform and restrict peoples social life as to forbid marriage. Which isn't to say that I object to other people from doing so, and I appreciate Jena sharing with us the great happiness her community has given her.

    I don't know if you are familiar with Raëlism which may be a tad bit cultish, but is far from being the most abusive cult out there. I don't get the sense that their members have been brainwashed or have any delusions worse than most religious persons (like myself). Their leader, is indeed polyamorous and quite publicly promiscuous. However, many people in his group have chosen celibacy or monogamy, and that is also respected option, as long as you don't mind living around others who are not pursuing that path.

    I guess the only way to know for certain would be to visit Lifechanyuan for a bit and live there, but while Jena sounds like she would be a most gracious and friendly person who I would love to meet , (as well as you Onawah! ) I don't think that is going to happen.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Jena, I have not sent you any PMs for several days and in my last one, I asked you to stop sending them to me as I am just deleting them unread.
    However, you will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I think I have already said all I intend to say about your community and your proselytizing, so you need not worry about that.
    I would just like to add, for the benefit of other readers who may not have taken the time to watch them, that in one of the videos that you created which I posted in your thread, there is a car parked just outside the ecovillage gate, apparently sent by the local government in China which was responsible for shutting down the former ecovillages.
    As described in the video, the car was repeatedly broadcasting a loud recorded message about marriage (also the education of children) for the "benefit" (ie harassment) of the community members.
    So it seems that is strong evidence that the local government did not approve of the no marriage rule, and that likely had a lot to do with why they took such drastic actions.
    I will reply you detailedly later. but I didn't send you any PM since April 7th, are you sure it is me who still continue sending PM after April 7th???
    If could, please show them here or maybe you need to ask Bill to check what the problem is. And I got a new PM from you yesterday.

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    You will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I may have made the same mistake.
    I just wanted to reply to Kryztian's post, and will probably not post anything more on this thread.
    Take care.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Jena, I have not sent you any PMs for several days and in my last one, I asked you to stop sending them to me as I am just deleting them unread.
    However, you will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I think I have already said all I intend to say about your community and your proselytizing, so you need not worry about that.
    I would just like to add, for the benefit of other readers who may not have taken the time to watch them, that in one of the videos that you created which I posted in your thread, there is a car parked just outside the ecovillage gate, apparently sent by the local government in China which was responsible for shutting down the former ecovillages.
    As described in the video, the car was repeatedly broadcasting a loud recorded message about marriage (also the education of children) for the "benefit" (ie harassment) of the community members.
    So it seems that is strong evidence that the local government did not approve of the no marriage rule, and that likely had a lot to do with why they took such drastic actions.
    I will reply you detailedly later. but I didn't send you any PM since April 7th, are you sure it is me who still continue sending PM after April 7th???
    If could, please show them here or maybe you need to ask Bill to check what the problem is. And I got a new PM from you yesterday.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Jena, I have not sent you any PMs for several days and in my last one, I asked you to stop sending them to me as I am just deleting them unread.
    However, you will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I think I have already said all I intend to say about your community and your proselytizing, so you need not worry about that.
    I would just like to add, for the benefit of other readers who may not have taken the time to watch them, that in one of the videos that you created which I posted in your thread, there is a car parked just outside the ecovillage gate, apparently sent by the local government in China which was responsible for shutting down the former ecovillages.
    As described in the video, the car was repeatedly broadcasting a loud recorded message about marriage (also the education of children) for the "benefit" (ie harassment) of the community members.
    So it seems that is strong evidence that the local government did not approve of the no marriage rule, and that likely had a lot to do with why they took such drastic actions.
    Quote You will receive a notification if someone responds to one of your posts, including the quote they are responding to, and perhaps that is what you are mistaking for a PM.
    I may have made the same mistake.
    I just wanted to reply to Kryztian's post, and will probably not post anything more on this thread.
    Okay, I see. Yes, maybe I just reply your posts and you got the notification by email.

    Quote that in one of the videos that you created which I posted in your thread, there is a car parked just outside the ecovillage gate, apparently sent by the local government in China which was responsible for shutting down the former ecovillages.
    As described in the video, the car was repeatedly broadcasting a loud recorded message about marriage (also the education of children) for the "benefit" (ie harassment) of the community members.
    So it seems that is strong evidence that the local government did not approve of the no marriage rule, and that likely had a lot to do with why they took such drastic actions.
    Yes, you are right. The government also thinks us the same as promiscuity. They treat marriage and family very important because it is also a good way to keep the society safe and better control people.

    But as Kryztian says,
    Quote convents and monasteries - and these are not places of polyamory and promiscuity.
    Our community is a little similar as convents and monasteries in somehow. Some of our members are celibates. Some are enjoying the sex life in one to one or one to many. In our values, Guide Xuefeng will not forbid or stop these relationships but he will not allow any member to control others on sex or emotional love. Because it will cause big problems and harm others in the community. This is also why we have to learn Lifechanyuan values first, agree with Guide Xuefeng's guideline and then have the chance to live in the community.

    It is very easy to set up a community but very difficult to deal with the complex relationship with people and people. But we did it.

    I feel so grateful to the Greatest Creator and Guide Xuefeng.

    Quote My cautious approach comes from knowing that the creator of Lifechanyuan was secretly having relationships with a number of women in the community, and from my awareness of many intentional communities around the world which have had similar histories, and how that has been responsible for a lot of ongoing problems.
    Yes, I understand your worries. I also shared my experience about Xuefeng had sex with me before. But from the sharings of chanyuan members, I know that Guide Xuefeng will not push his any idea about sex on any other female members. Most of our female members strongly have faith and fall in love with Guide Xuefeng's personality. Their love to Guide Xuefeng once also make me feel unbelievable and a little envy. But now, I understand. After experience the disadvantage of marriage and having the need of sex life, I am falling in love with Guide Xuefeng again. Only only for his forgiveness to me but also his articles of Lifechanyuan values. The more I understand the disadvantage of traditional life such as marriage and family programme, the more I find how wise and awesome Guide Xuefeng is. So, I can speak very frankly here that I like Guide Xuefeng and really have the wish ( or desire) to make love with him in one of New Oasis for Life commnities one day in the coming future.

    It is also one of our biggest mission or task to build a free and Wonderland - like place for branches of about 300 members who have better soul garden and enjoy the sex life to experience the heavenly sex which described as the same situation in the Thousand-year World.

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    "千年界一瞥


    A Glance at the Thousand-year World

    Xuefeng

    (Translated by Transn and Edited by Kaer)



     微风吹拂,彩云缭绕,莲花山蝴蝶峰松涛阵阵,半山腰花团锦簇,争奇斗艳,山脚下果园成林,瓜田葱绿,瓜果飘香,一条小溪流水潺潺,清澈见底,这条小溪蜿蜒绕过杜鹃谷流向恩泽河,最后汇入凌波湖。

    Mount Butterfly in the Lotus Mountains is breezy and shrouded in mist with wind that soughs through the pines. Flowers spread across the mountainside and vie with each other for glamor. Down to the foot of the mountain, orchards and fields grow aromatic fruits where a clear stream meanders through Cuckoo Valley, passed Grace River, and finally joins Ripple Lake.

     蝴蝶峰下居住着三十九位仙人,二十二位仙女,两个孩子,十五位仙子,离此不远的樱花渡居住着另一群仙子仙女,再翻过香岭沿芝麻坡步行30多里就可以到达丰泽塬,此塬上居住着两百多仙子仙女,此三处地方方圆两百多 里,总共居住着约300位仙子仙女。


    Thirty-nine celestials - twenty-two females, fifteen males, and two children - reside under Mount Butterfly. Not far away, Sakura Island is inhabited by another group of celestials. Crossing over Fragrant Hill and walking along Sesame Slope for about thirty miles, Lush Highland will be found, home to more than two-hundred celestials. Approximately three-hundred celestials in total live in these three places within two-hundred miles of each other.

     这天,娇玉一觉睡醒,穿上几乎透明的蚕丝织成的淡蓝色裙子,走出屋外,但见湛蓝天空中镶嵌着朵朵彩云,百鸟翱翔,蝴蝶峰中的银色瀑布飞挂在翠岩上,传来自然交响,前院花卉吐芳,尤其是几株兰妁花盘硕大,正在怒放 ,那粉红色的花瓣层层叠叠错落排列,从花心伸展出18支米黄色的花蕊,几只蜜蜂飞落其上正在贪婪地吸吮花乳。


    Today, after Jade woke up, she dressed in a light blue skirt made of transparent silk and walked out of her house. High in the azure, birds soared over the clouds and silver waterfalls fell from the green of Mount Butterfly in a symphony of nature. In the forecourt, flowers were in bloom, the fullest of which were peach blossoms; their pink petals were arranged in layers, eighteen beige stamens stretched out from the center where bees searched for nectar.

    娇玉提着沙柳编织的篮子沿着石板小径穿过石峦叠嶂的几座假山来到桑园,一进桑园,娥皇和净莲围过来说:“姐姐今天睡得好香啊!是不是那位情哥哥让你兴奋了 半天!”随后娥皇和净莲银铃般地咯咯笑了起来,娇玉装作生气的样子举手想抓娥皇,娥皇和净莲转身就跑,娇玉随后追赶,三位仙女就在桑园里相互追逐着,相互 取笑着,直到娇玉抓住了净莲,用纤纤玉手在净莲美若仙桃的脸蛋上轻轻地捏了一下,三位笑做一团相互在玉体上乱捏,娥皇还乘机在娇玉的脸蛋上亲了一下调皮地 问:“情哥哥是不是这样亲你的?”娇玉也搂住娥皇在其红润的嘴唇上吻了几吻说“就是这样的。”


    Along the stone path and through several rockeries, Jade came to the mulberry garden while holding a willow basket. She was surrounded immediately by Ehuang and Lotus. “You must have enjoyed a good sleep last night. Was your lover good?” The two joked and chuckled. Jade tried to catch Ehuang in mock irritation but the two ran away, so she chased after them. The three fairies chased one another while laughing in the garden until Jade caught Lotus and gently pinched on her peachy cheeks. They pinched each others’ bodies in fun. Ehuang kissed Jade’s cheek in chaos and asked naughtily, “Is this how your lover kissed you?” The kissed one held Ehuang in her arms and answered with more kisses on her red lips, “That’s it.”

    嬉闹够了,三位就开始采桑叶,篮子采满后各回各府,娇玉养着三竹篮蚕,每个竹篮约3平方米大小,每一个竹篮内养殖着约一千只蚕,娇玉把一篮子桑叶分放进蚕蓝内,待蚕们爬上桑叶后她就端起竹篮轻轻地摇晃,蚕粪就从竹 篮底部的缝隙中漏了下来,然后她把蚕粪扫进细柳条编成的簸箕内再埋进花卉根部的土壤下。

    Having played enough, they began plucking mulberry leaves and returned when the basket was full. Jade was growing silkworms in three bamboo baskets of three square meters each, with each accommodating about a thousand silkworms; she distributed mulberry leaves evenly into them. When silkworms climbed up onto the leaves, she would shake the baskets gently, silkworm excrement would leak through the basket bottom, and she would sweep it into a fine wicker dustpan and bury it at the roots of the flowers.

    喂罢蚕,娇玉刚想休息一下,就听见一阵小跑步声由远而近,不一会儿,大家喜爱的小逸龙来到跟前,这个小逸龙今年6岁,是紫蕊生的,长的眉清目秀,令人疼爱,他有点上气不接下气地说:“姑姑:妈妈说香瓜园的瓜熟了, 叫你去品尝!”“哎,我这就去,我们一起走好吗?”娇玉回答着并拉起逸龙的小手走出了小院。

    Jade was about to rest after feeding her silkworms when she heard someone trotting over. It was the lovely little six-year-old, Loong. He had inherited fine features from his mother, Ray. He gasped, “Aunt, Mom said the melons are ripe; come and have a taste.” Jade replied, “I’ll go there, shall we go together?”, and took Loong’s tiny hand. They left the courtyard.

    走上溪流上架起的小桥时小逸龙问娇玉:“姑姑,‘小桥流水草欣欣,春光明媚花似锦,万物有情若玉人,浑沌世界天造成’”中的“若”是什么意思啊?娇玉告诉 逸龙,“若”的意思是“就像”,“万物有情若玉人”的意思是说这流水花草星光微风瓜果小鸟等等都是有情的,它们就像你妈妈和姑姑一样。娇玉问:“这诗是谁 教你的?”逸龙答:“是墨乾叔叔教我的,他和贝纳叔叔经常给我教诗,你想不想听贝纳叔叔教给我的诗?”未等娇玉回答,逸龙就大声地朗诵起来。
    无边无际无止境,远近不分是浑沌,灵犀一点从心起,大千世界分外明。

    As they stepped across a bridge over a stream, Loong asked, “Aunt, grasses are green by the river beneath the bridge, flowers are blossoming in spring, all beings are as sentient as my beauty, though the world is created in holographic order. What does ‘sentience’ mean?” Jade said, “it means that the river, flowers, stars, breeze, melons, birds, and everything else can feel, like your Mom and me. Who taught you the lines?” “Uncle Moc. He and Uncle Bena teach me a lot. Do you want me to recite some?” Loong began reciting verses immediately.



    Boundless and infinite,

    Without distance or space;

    Only the holographic order.

    An inspiration seized by heart,

    The world is so clear to be understood

    说着聊着走着,娇玉和逸龙不知不觉来到了竹林,但见翠竹青青,新笋满林,风梳竹枝飒飒飒,黄莺呢喃觅巢急,深幽之处少人迹,唯有天籁唱梵音。走出竹林,面 前是一片辽阔原野,远山迷蒙,烟霞靡霭,风和日丽,佳卉葱茏,梅花鹿悠闲,天鹅仙鹤振翅,好一处田园美景。娇玉看那箫声悠扬处,仙子仙女们载歌载舞,她牵 着逸龙的手加快脚步走向瓜园。


    Walking and chatting, Jade and Loong came to a forest of lush bamboos and fresh shoots. The rustling of bamboos and songs of yellow warblers echoed deeply. It seemed that the forest was little known to the outside world and only the sound of nature could be heard. Out of Bamboo Forest, a vast plain extended before their eyes where distant hills dissolved into mist. The breeze was gentle and the sun was warm. On Verdant Plain, spotted deer strolled and swans fluttered. Heading toward the direction of flute music and dancing where the melon fields laid, Jade paced up with Loong.

    还未到瓜园,就听见紫蕊高声招呼道:“娇玉快来!今天是香瓜品尝庆贺日,大家喜庆一番。”原来紫蕊已经把大家召集在了一起,除蝴蝶峰下居住的三十九位仙子 仙女外,樱花渡也来了六仙,丰泽塬的美达和苍钦也来了,只见玲纯、桑格、巴秀、默延、曲郎、惠子在香瓜园摘瓜,枝叶繁盛的瓜田里一个个绿黄相间的甜瓜露出 圆滚滚的丰满体,煞是喜人,从丰泽塬来的美达在舞蹈,舞姿优美动人,性感十足,橘黄色的裙子随着美达柔美的曲线飘起飘落,蝴蝶峰和樱花渡的仙子仙女们一个 个目不转睛地欣赏着,欢呼着,苍钦围绕着美达在引吭高歌:“瓜果成熟待仙摘,桑叶肥美桑娘采,美达有意来瓜园,风情万种觅仙爱。。。。。。”



    They had nearly arrived when Ray shouted, “Jade, hurry up! Today is the Melon Festival, let’s celebrate it.” Ray had actually gathered everyone. In addition to thirty-nine fairies from Mount Butterfly, they had six guests from Sakura Island, and Meda and Kin from Lush Highland. In the field, Ling, Sang, Barr, Moy, Chiron, and Hye were picking melons. They were yellow and green in color, round and plump in shape, and very inviting. While Meda from Lush Highland was dancing and guests were all drawn to her tantalizing moves with her well-curved shape and the flutter of her orange dress, Kin was singing aloud to Meda’s dance, “Ripe fruits and melons await their harvest, mulberry leaves await for picking, and Meda in the melon field waits for love.”



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    原来美达处在发情阶段,浑身洋溢着青春的光彩,那舞姿似流泻瀑布自然诱人,那动作招招性感逗人爱恋,云鬓乌黑媚眼流盼,娇容嫩红秀外慧中。歌舞一曲后大家尝瓜,瓜瓤黄嫩香甜爽口,口中生津内心喜悦,待大家尝毕,紫 蕊站在仙群中说道:“今日是喜庆日,架桥的、铺路的、编席编筐的、取蜜的、修剪果园的、制衣的都停下来,今天成熟的香瓜籽是从雀鸣山桃花村三年前拿来播种的,大家好好品味,此瓜能生津滴液,尝了会神清气爽精气充足 ,余味绕口十日不绝,此外,丰泽塬 美达情溢蝴蝶峰,请仙子们献上你们的风采。”


    The truth is that Meda was in estrus and she glowed with youth. Every natural move of her dance was sensual and captivating. Her thick dark hair, touching eyes, and pink face were perfectly appealing. After the music, everyone ate the sweet and crispy melons.



    Then Ray announced:

    “Today is special. Everyone, stop building bridges, paving roads, collecting honey, trimming orchards, and making clothes. These melons have been grown for three years since I planted the seeds from Peach Village of Birdsong Mountain; enjoy them. The melons will induce your saliva and refresh you and their pleasant impression can last for ten days. In addition, Meda from Lush Highland is looking for her “LOVE”. Gentlemen, show your best.”

    待紫蕊说罢,全场欢声雷动,仙女们围成圈扭起了采桑舞,仙子们在圈内跳起了架桥蹈,圈中心是苍钦,苍钦把美达高高抱起举过头顶让美达骑在了脖子上,美达轻 柔薄透的裙子套在了苍钦的头上,苍钦手抓着美达的玉腿在扭动着、旋转着,美达眉目传情挑选着如意情种,仙子们一个个围绕着苍钦美达献殷勤,用舞蹈表达着自 己的刚劲和技巧,场外有三仙,鹤松、涧清、流云,年龄均在八百岁作用,他们在吹箫伴奏,箫声一终,大家才停下了舞蹈。


    Ray’s words drew great applause. Girls circled and started the mulberry leaf-picking dance while boys performed the bridge dance from within their circle. Kin was at the center of the circle and he lifted Meda up to sit on his shoulders. The beautiful seeker of love allowed her soft dress to cover Kin’s head and Kin spun around, holding her calves so that she could choose a lover from the crowd. Boys came to court Meda assiduously and implied their strength and tricks by dancing. Standing by the scene, three celestials accompanied the dancers with flutes; Pine, River, and Cloud. They were about eight hundred years old and the dancing continued until their music ceased.

     接着是对诗,谁对诗符合美达荡漾的情怀,谁就可以与美达畅游爱河。

      先是美达来了一首。
    八百里洞庭波浪涌,平原上凸起双峰,密林深处草芽动,有琴无弦难和鸣。
    蝴蝶峰桑格随声附和一首。
    一年里桑河静静流,银山上冰雪稍融,深涧壑谷来天鹅,仙童有琴架彩虹。
    樱花渡的莱欣唱诗一首道:
    十里坡玛瑙飞彩霞,葱岭上一枝奇葩,高高天空风云行,云层里雷电交加。
    蝴蝶峰贝基和道:
    千年的金杉含苞开花,幽静处喷泉待发,一泻千里到龙宫,圣殿里灿烂如花。
    蝴蝶峰池作向前走一步,躬身吟道:
    单桨划过双峰峡,液滴浸透丛林草,抬起玉山双碧岭,往来复返通天涯。
    樱花渡乐桑笑吟吟慢悠悠地吟诵道:
    无涯!无涯!轻歌曼舞梅开百度,纵然是铁树无叶,妖娆处,天翻地覆。


    The next game was composing verses; whoever's verses expressed Meda’s feelings best would be the one that she would have.



    Meda started the game with her verses:



    Waves run high in the vast lake

    Twin peaks rise above the earth

    Seeds sprout in a dense forest

    but a duet still lacks the other instrument.





    Sang from Mount Butterfly composed:



    Sang River flows silently all year long

    Snow melts on the high hill

    Swans visit the ravine

    I play music to build the rainbow bridge.





    Rice from Sakura Island sang:



    Rosy clouds appear over the hill

    Where an exotic flower is up high

    Clouds soar with strong wind in the sky

    Thundering and lightning dance to climax.



    Beki from Mount Butterfly said:



    A thousand-year golden fir is in bud

    A fountain in peace is to flow

    The surge will reach the depth of the sea

    The temple of gods is splendid as a flower.



    Chizuo from Mount Butterfly stepped forward; he bowed and sang:



    I row with a paddle across Double-peak Valley

    Get wet passing the jungles

    Rising hills and streams appear

    I find my way back and forth and reach heaven.



    Raisin from Sakura Island smilingly sang in an unhurried manner:



    Endless springtime!

    The plum has blossomed for times to sing merrily and dance gracefully

    Even the leafless ironwood can turn the world upside down with its charm.

    蝴蝶峰和樱花渡十六位仙子(除鹤松、涧清外)一一对诗完毕,美达早已浑身酥软,心仪不知何处是,唯把舵手交紫蕊。

      这紫蕊六百余岁,善解人意,经验丰富,最受大家尊敬,她笑了笑说道:“娇玉引美达去你处歇息,其他所有仙子仙女去娱乐苑听鹤松论道,然后大家猜谜语、捉迷藏,讲故事。”

      众仙嬉闹着欢笑着向娱乐苑走去,紫蕊对桑格、来欣、贝基、曲郎、池作、巴桑分别在耳边如此这般说了一通,然后随众仙而去。


    All the guests from Mount Butterfly and Sakura Island (excepting Pine and River) finished their turns. Meda had been limp and soft as a noodle; no one knew who she chose. Ray came to the scene.



    Ray was more than six hundred years old. She was considerate, sophisticated, and respected. She smiled and said, “Jade, take Meda to your room to rest. Everyone else, come to Entertainment Garden. Pine will lecture; then we will guess riddles, play hide-and-seek and tell stories.”



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    Everyone headed toward Entertainment Garden delightedly. Ray spoke privately with Sang, Beki, Chiron, Chizuo, and Basong respectively, and then left along with other celestials.

    花发两枝,我们先去娱乐苑。

      且说这娱乐苑建成已三万多年,娱乐苑中心似小型广场,广场上圆环形一圈圈放置着近300个石凳,石凳上面铺着柔软的蒿草席垫,石凳间有树木盆景、山石盆景、花卉盆景,围着广场的是环形湖,湖水清澈碧蓝,湖中分 列着许多奇形怪状似珊瑚礁的小山,山上翡翠晶莹,青苔滴水,还有芦苇、万年青、马蹄莲、蛋竹叶、吊竹梅、芦荟、海葱、芙蓉掌、荷花、宝石花、竹节海棠,君子兰、变叶木,银叶菊,仙人笔等植物花卉琳琅摇曳璀璨生彩, 湖内各色小鱼穿梭游戏,鸳鸯、丹顶鹤、斑嘴鸭、燕鸥、翠鸟、白鹭、苍鹭、白 尾海雕、云雀鷸等等畅游其中飞翔其上,环形湖外围是青石板小径,小径一旁是花园,花园里百里香、千日红、玉兰、紫荆、连翘、杜鹃花、石榴花、含笑花、白兰花、茉莉花、木芙蓉、山茶花、春兰、风信子、郁金香、紫罗兰 、长春菊、芍药、晚香玉、万寿菊、牡丹、玫瑰等等,等等几百种花卉姹紫嫣红,尽展妖娆,花园外 是错落有致布置精巧的上百座天然假山,假山上爬山虎、常春藤、夜香来等盘绕其上,是捉迷藏的好玩处。


    Here come two flowers; let’s go to the first one: Entertainment Garden.



    Entertainment Garden had been built up for more than thirty-thousand years. It has a square in the center, surrounded by three-hundred stone benches arranged in circles and covered with soft mats. Tree bonsai, rock bonsai, and flower bonsai are placed between them. Around the square is the clear, blue Ring Lake. Within the lake, grotesque coral reef-like rockeries are embedded with emeralds and mosses. There are also reeds, evergreens, calla lilies, egg bamboo leaves, wandering jews, aloe, sea onions, hibiscus palms, lotuses, gem flowers, bamboo begonias, scarlet kaffir lilies, variable leaf wood, chamomile, fairy pens, and other plants and flowers. All kinds of small fish shuttle in the lake and above them, mandarin ducks, red-crowned cranes, spotted ducks, gulls, kingfishers, egrets, herons, white-tailed sea eagles, and larks swim or fly. On the periphery of Ring Lake is a flag path beside a garden where thyme, globe amaranths, yulan, bauhinias, forsythias, rhododendrons, pomegranates, banana scrubs, gardenias, jasmines, hibiscus mutabilis, camellia, cymbidium, hyacinth, tulips, violets, vinca, paeonia, tuberose, marigold, peonies, and roses are blooming. Outside the garden, hundreds of rockeries with exquisite layouts, upon which creepers, ivy, and night willow herbs are coiled. It's a fun place to play hide-and-seek.

    松鹤正座广场中心,须发皆白却耳聪目明精神矍铄,仙子仙女们随意坐在石凳上,但听松鹤论道曰:“宇宙无垠,生命常青,虚心感恩,命源不停,但凭心动,灵犀随行,无我有我,有我无我,欲入上界,先空我心,随性而动, 浑然天成,不慕虚华,不霸一针,及时享受,时刻警醒,人间多苦,错在占用,我等仙辈,莫蹈人行,万年有界,近在咫尺,潜心修行,莫误前程。。。。。。”

      松鹤讲了一阵,仙子仙女们个个洗耳恭听,觉神清气爽,心灵空明。


    Pine sat upright in the center of the square, his hair was white, but he was in good health with sharp ears and eyes. Male and female celestials sat on stone benches, casually listening to Pine talk about Tao...



    "The universe is boundless while LIFE is evergreen.

    Modesty and gratitude will perpetuate the water source of LIFE.

    Follow your heart and gain a tacit understanding.

    When you are selfless, you accomplish yourself; when you have ego, you lose yourself.

    One should empty their mind before entering the higher-level space.

    Act in accordance with your nature.

    Never admire luxury or possess even a needle.

    Seize the day and always remain vigilant.

    Mortals suffer a lot because of their possessions.

    We Celestials must never act like them.

    The Ten-thousand-year World is close at hand.

    Concentrate on self-cultivation; never ruin your future..."



    After listening to Pine’s preaching for some time, attentively, male and female celestials felt refreshed, energized, pure, and enlightened.

    接下来是猜谜语,惠子站起来首先出谜:“两头弯弯如扁担,不挑水来不担米,从东到西如平地,青苔常常翠又绿。”

      樱花渡来的碧蓉立刻站起来答:“桥!”

      仙女荷颖站起来出谜道:“黑咚咚,暗咚咚,十八头黄牛拉不动。”

      仙子默然喊道:“山洞!”

      长相如姑娘的卓凡潇洒地站起来清清嗓子出了如下一个谜语。

      “半山腰上一奇洞,寻常关闭一条缝,若有山峰来搅动,草丛边上水淋淋。”

      听到这个谜语,大家先是愣怔了一下,随后全场哄堂大笑,笑声响彻云霄。

      猜谜语活动进行了一阵,接下来讲故事,捉迷藏,处处欢声笑语,充满了喜悦和快乐。


    The next game was guessing riddles.



    Hye stood up first and proposed a riddle:

    "Both ends are curved like carrying poles; it is not used for carrying water or rice; it is like a flat ground from east to west; it is always covered with emerald green moss."



    Beveren from Sakura Island immediately stood up and said, "It is a bridge!"



    Horry, a female celestial, stood up and proposed a riddle:

    "It is black and dark and even eighteen cattle can’t pull it."



    Moran, a male one, shouted, "It's a cave!"



    Jovan, who looked girlish, stood up smartly, cleared his throat, and proposed a riddle:



    "There is a unique cave on the hillside; it is usually closed and has a seam. If it is stirred by a peak, the brushes on both sides will drip with water."



    Hearing the riddle, everyone was stunned at first but then roared with a laughter that echoed to the clouds.



    The riddle game lasted for a while longer. After that, they told stories and played hide-and-seek. Laughter, joy, and happiness abounded.



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    再说丰泽塬的美达随娇玉来到歇息处,娇玉的房间宽敞明亮,竹墙竹门竹房顶,丝织窗帘随风飘动,从后窗户望出去,锦绣河山风景如画,仙鹤翩跹花香鸟鸣,只有一个字形容:“美!”

      室内有几把竹躺椅,宽大的竹床上铺着几层细如线的香乳草编织的席子,这种席子始终散发着一种沁心的香气,躺在其上柔软舒适,用一种柔韧的莲藕做成的枕头淡黄雅致。娇玉知道美达此时此刻情难自禁,在美达丰满的臀 部上轻轻地拍了一下走了出去。


    Meda from Lush Highland followed into Jade’s bright and spacious room; her walls, doors, and roof were made of bamboo and her silk curtains floated in the wind. Outside her rear window was the picturesque Land of Splendors, where red-crowned cranes dancing trippingly, sweet flowers, and tweeting birds can only be described by one word: "beautiful!”. Several bamboo deck chairs lined her room. Her wide bamboo bed was covered with several layers of mats knitted with fragrant milkweeds as thin as threads. The mats emitted a refreshing fragrance. It was soft and comfortable to lie upon. The pillow made of flexible lotus roots was yellowish and elegant. Jade knew that Meda could not hold it at that moment, so she patted on Meda’s plump hips and left.

     千年界的女性由于生命结构使然,通常是没有性生活的,月经也不像人间的人那样一月一次,而是三个月才一次,月经来临前几天是发情期,所以性生活每年只有3——4次,但是,长流的只能是潺潺小溪流,而常不流的却像 聚集起来的水库,不流则已,一旦满而开闸,那是汹涌澎湃波浪滔天,是自我意识所无法控制和抗衡的,此时此刻的美达就处在满而开闸的边缘。


    Due to their LIFE structures, women in the Thousand-year World generally had no sex lives. Their menstrual cycles were different from those of mortals, only occurring once every three months. A few days before their cycles would end were their estrous periods, so they desired intimacy only three or four times per year. That which flows constantly will form a small murmuring stream, but that which does not will accumulate and become a reservoir. It is quiet when closed, but after the gate opens, waves will surge and uncontrollable billows will dash against the sky that cannot be resisted by self-control. Meda was on the edge of such an explosion at that moment.

    千年界的男子却完全与女子不同,他们可以随时施展风采,但他们的情欲完全可以自我控制,若没有外部刺激,他们是没有欲望的,只有发情阶段的女子挑逗,他们才像脱缰的野马想起在草原上奔驰。

      此外,千年界的仙由于终生不染病,也没有精神压抑和心理负担,且娱乐活动和体力活动多,所以女性个个体柔如棉,气血旺盛,活力四射,魅力十足,男性个个体魄强健,精气满盈、刚健有力,精血充沛。


    Men in the Thousand-year World were completely different from women; they could display their elegant demeanor at any time and control their lust totally. Without external stimulus, they had no desire, but when teased by women during their estrus, would gallop on the grasslands like runaway wild horses.



    In addition, celestials in the Thousand-year world enjoyed excellent lifelong health and thus did not suffer from emotional distress or psychological burdens. There were various recreational and physical activities, so women were soft as cotton, highly energetic, dynamic, and attractive, while men were physically strong, muscular and powerful, and full of vital essence and vigor.





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    美达在娇玉房内坐立不安,浑身难受,体内有一种排山倒海的势能蓄势待发,且自我找不到排泄口,正在这焦渴难耐之时,贝基出现在眼前,一看见贝基魁伟而肌肉发达的体格和炯炯有神的眼光,美达像饿虎扑食般扑向贝基,贝 基顺势在美达腰间一搂,再一旋转,美达的双腿早已跨上贝基双跨用双脚勾住贝基腰部,贝基双手把 美达紧紧地拥抱在怀,两张嘴唇像胶一样黏在一起,疯狂亲吻起来,同时,美达的中部世界一前一后在做往复运动恰似饿极的小鸟张开大口从鸟妈妈嘴中觅食,丰满的阴唇和沟谷在一根热乎乎的棒棒上使劲地摩擦着,激动难制, 摩擦了大约50多 下,一股清液流出阴门润滑了周围世界,在一个瞬间,贝基的阴茎顺着流出清液的谷缝挤进圣殿,美达顿时感觉里面胀满,盆骨似乎要裂开,觉得有一股电流瞬间贯 通全身,一种难受的舒服激荡在体内,贝基把美达抱向床头,美达双脚着地,上身仰卧床上,贝基高频率地运动起来。。。美达闭着眼睛,任凭狂风肆虐,胀、麻、酸、滑、温暖、充盈、湿润、充满力量,感觉有一种美妙的电波 从中心点从双腿间弥漫开来辐射到每一个细胞和角落,全身绷紧,通常柔韧的腿筋脚筋手筋等好像受 到电击一下子变成了钢筋直愣愣起来,。。。开闸了,一股洪水沿着闸门倾泻而出,呼吸急促,极度兴奋,奇妙无比,似飞翔,又似火山爆发,又好像焰火在爆裂四射。。。。。。


    Meda sat on pins and needles and felt anxious. There was an overwhelming potential energy inside her body that was ready to explode but failed to find its outlet. At that very moment of her unbearable thirst, Beki came into view. At the sight of Beki's big, tall, and muscular physique, and sparkling eyes, Meda jumped onto him like a hungry tiger. Beki put his arms around Meda’s waist and spined his body at his convenience while Meda used her legs to step onto his hips and hooked his waist with her feet. Beki held Meda in his arms tightly; they kissed madly with their lips stuck together like glue. Meanwhile, Meda's middle part made reciprocating motions back and forth like a hungry bird opening its mouth to take food from its mother's throat. Her plump labia and valley were rubbed firmly against his hot loverod. With uncontrollable excitement, after rubbing about fifty times, a stream of clear liquid flowed out of her vulva and nourished her surrounding parts. Just at that moment, Beki squeezed into her Temple of God with his penis along her seam flowing with clear liquid; Meda suddenly had a full feeling inside as if her pelvis would split, a current flowed through her body and an unbearable pleasure was beating inside her. Beki held Meda and went to her bedside. Meda was in a supine position on the bed with her feet on the ground while Beki moved rapidly. Meda closed her eyes and ignored the raging wind. Meda felt swelling, limp, and numb, pain, smoothness, warmth, fullness, wetness, and energy; it seemed a wonderful electric wave radiated from the center point between her legs to every cell and corner. Meda tightened her body; her flexible tendons of legs, feet, hands, and other parts were stiff like reinforcing steel bars after an electric shock. The gate had opened and the flood poured out along it. Short of breath, she felt extremely excited and wonderful. It was like flying, a volcanic explosion, and cracking and bursting fireworks.

    这仅仅是开闸,是序幕,而贝基打开闸门后火势渐息,对美达而言,仅仅打开闸门是远远不够的,她要让几个月来蓄积起来的水库全部流干,若留存一点,以后的岁月中将很难受,所以,更奇妙、更婉约、更淫荡、更风流、更曲 幽、更快活的情节随着桑格、来欣、曲郎、池作、巴桑的先后来临而演绎着,这些情节若能描写出来人类的道德难以承受,所以略去。

    Opening the gate was just a prelude. Beki opened the gate and extinguished his fire, little by little. For Meda, opening the gate was far from enough and she wanted to drain out the reservoir after months of accumulation. If anything was left, it would be very unbearable for her in the following days, so more wonderful, graceful, unrestrained, lewd, dissolute, winding, and pleasurable plots were staged with the arrival of Sang, Raisin, Chiron, Chizuo, and Basong one after another. These stories are omitted because mortals cannot morally bear for them to be described.

    千年界有千年界的道德和生活方式,我们难以想象。以上是千年界一瞥,只是千年界全景的一个小点,更加详细的情景随着大家思维的深化和意识的完善及生命结构的完美会自我体验到。


    This has only been a limited glimpse of the Thousand-year world with its own lifestyle and morals which we cannot imagine. We will experience more detailed scenarios as our thinking deepens, our consciousness improves, and our LIFE structure advances."


    Is it okay for me to post the sexy part here? Hope Bill can allow me some on this post. From the words of Guide Xuefeng wrote, I can feel how noble, polite and graceful the life of the Thousand-year world is. From Guide Xuefeng's romantic poems on LOVE and from those high frequency and lovely words sharing by male chanyuan members on our Chinese inner website, I already feel that I am in the heaven. That kind of LOVE and Gratitude feeling to the Greatest Creator is soo awesome to me. This is also why our chanyuan members have the long term passion of Lifechanyuan and big love to Guide Xuefeng.

    Here is a video of one of Guide Xuefeng's poems:

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    I can't help tearing when watching the video above.

    Guide Xuefeng is really soo kind and warm and full of wisdom to me. Thank the Greatest Creator, thank Jesus and Buddha, thank Tao.

    The Angel Reaping the "Ripe Crops" and Savior of the East-- Xuefeng



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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    If marriage is forbidden, then what is actually being practiced is what we call in the West polyamory, which by its very nature, is characterized by promiscuity.
    I don't agree with the logic here: there are other places marriage is forbidden: convents and monasteries - and these are not places of polyamory and promiscuity. (Although we do find a few individuals from these places who may be promiscuous, just as there are married people who are.) Not marrying can also lead to things other then polyamory, like serial monogamy or even celibacy. I am not married, but I am in a relationship coming up on 22 years. A sex addict might hear about Lifechanuan and say "that place is for me", but might just arrive there and find that the attitude of people might not be the same as his.

    I know if there is a name for this logical fallacy, but I see it all them time, including here on Avalon: "If you depart from the norm and want to take a step in the direction of x (where x is some ideology or social system, for example, socialism, free market capitalism, etc.), then, therefore it follows, you must be for taking 5 steps in that direction, and since you are for taking 5 steps, you are necessarily committed to pursuing that direction until y happens - and y is usually one of two things: (1) A system of total authoritarian control, despotism and lack of freedom (2) A world of chaotic criminality and violence.

    Just as I know many people who have long term meaningful relationship (often healthier relationship than some of the married people I know), I can imagine there are people experiencing the same thing in Jena's community.

    But as much as I am not a huge proponent of marriage, I would not be part of a community that does not permit it. Marriage has been a part of every culture here on the planet. It gives some people emotional and economic stability. I am just not for joining any community that wants so radically transform and restrict peoples social life as to forbid marriage. Which isn't to say that I object to other people from doing so, and I appreciate Jena sharing with us the great happiness her community has given her.

    I don't know if you are familiar with Raëlism which may be a tad bit cultish, but is far from being the most abusive cult out there. I don't get the sense that their members have been brainwashed or have any delusions worse than most religious persons (like myself). Their leader, is indeed polyamorous and quite publicly promiscuous. However, many people in his group have chosen celibacy or monogamy, and that is also respected option, as long as you don't mind living around others who are not pursuing that path.

    I guess the only way to know for certain would be to visit Lifechanyuan for a bit and live there, but while Jena sounds like she would be a most gracious and friendly person who I would love to meet , (as well as you Onawah! ) I don't think that is going to happen.
    Thanks for sharing your wise opinion on sex, marriage and family, dear Kryztian. I also feel very warm about your kind words to me. Thanks!

    Quote y is usually one of two things: (1) A system of total authoritarian control, despotism and lack of freedom (2) A world of chaotic criminality and violence.
    Agree with you. And I think it is normal in China now. I can get many negative and violent news on Baidu and watch those videos on Douyin ( Chinese tik tok). These information and videos always make me feel disappointed about the ugly of people's souls.

    Quote Just as I know many people who have long term meaningful relationship (often healthier relationship than some of the married people I know), I can imagine there are people experiencing the same thing in Jena's community.
    Yes, such as the relationship of husband and wife in our community. There are many couples in our community and they treat each other very respectfully. When they allow their partners to love other chanyuan members freely and give best wishes to each other, they can feel the true love or unconditional love from their heart. And the more freedom they give each other, the more love they will get from each other and their relationships with each other are better and better.

    Quote But as much as I am not a huge proponent of marriage, I would not be part of a community that does not permit it. Marriage has been a part of every culture here on the planet. It gives some people emotional and economic stability. I am just not for joining any community that wants so radically transform and restrict peoples social life as to forbid marriage. Which isn't to say that I object to other people from doing so, and I appreciate Jena sharing with us the great happiness her community has given her.
    Agree with you. Marriage is very important for most people in the world. It is a good way to meet the basic need of people's emotional and sexy need. The countries and the governments also need the marriage and family to control the whole world and keep safe of their people and state. But those are for 95% people. There are still 5% people who are from high space and suffering the bitterness about marriage and family. Like the film of Matrix, there are still some of the people who want and eager for freedom. We, chanyuan celestials, just are the few people who have the similar painful feelings about marriage and family. And we have great wish and mission to help those kind people who have the same feelings around the world.

    Quote I guess the only way to know for certain would be to visit Lifechanyuan for a bit and live there, but while Jena sounds like she would be a most gracious and friendly person who I would love to meet
    Thanks for your kind words to me. I appreciate it a lot. You will be warmly welcomed by our members if you like our values and want to visit our community one day.
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    禅院草精神

    The Spirit of Chanyuan Celestials


    Deiform Buddha(Xuefeng)

    (Translated by Tongxin and Edited by Kaer)


    我们是大地之草,我们的根深植于肥沃的土壤,阳光照耀着我们,雨露滋润着我们,上帝时刻关爱着我们,我们拥有无穷无尽的力量。

    We are the grass of the earth and our roots grow deep into the fertile soil. The sun shines upon us, the rain and dew moisten us, and the Greatest Creator blesses us continuously, therefore, we have endless power.

    我们不再孤独,因为我们已经找到了精神和心灵的家园,我们有许许多多的知音相伴,在任何艰难困苦的条件下,唯有我们才能冲破一切藩篱去赢得丰富多彩的生活。

    We are not lonely anymore because we have found the homeland for our spirits and souls, we have many bosom friends in our home, and whenever we encounter hard or challenging conditions, only we can break down the barriers and win rich and colorful lives.

    我们能在沙漠中建造出绿洲,能在黑暗中建造出光芒万丈的灯塔,任凭风沙肆虐,酷暑严寒侵袭,我们依然顶天立地,笑傲于天地。

    We can create and build oases in the desert and shining lighthouses in the darkness. No matter how heavy the wind and sandstorms blow, or how strong the burning heat and frigid cold might hit us, we remain upright and indomitable and we stand confidently and proudly between heaven and earth with smiles on our faces.

    我们所从事的一切,都是上帝的安排,都是上帝赋予的使命,我们是上帝最喜爱的子民,为上帝服务是我们的荣耀,没有什么力量能阻挡我们奋勇前行。

    What we do today is all the arrangement of the Greatest Creator, it is the mission bestowed upon us by the Greatest Creator, we are the Greatest Creator's favored citizens, it is our glory to serve the Greatest Creator, and nothing can block us from striving forward and move forward with full speed and courage.

    今天,为人类开创新时代新生活的重担由我们承担,我们是人类的希望,我们,主要是我们,才是能够带领人类整体走向健康、富裕、自由、幸福时代的保证。

    Today, the heavy burden of creating a new life mode for the new era is undertaken by us, we are the hope of human beings, and it is mainly we who are the guarantors for leading human beings into this healthy, rich, free, and blessed era.

    不论是哪个国家、哪个民族、哪个政党、哪个宗教、哪个团体、哪个人,都必须按照生命禅院理念来调整自己的世界观、人生观、价值观,这是时代的要求,是一切善良、勤劳、诚实、守信人们的愿望,也是历代贤哲梦寐以求的 理想,更是不以任何个人的意志为转移的客观规律。

    It does not matter which country, nationality, political party, or which religion, organization, and belief system people come from, people must adjust their values on the world, life, and value according to Lifechanyuan values. This is the requirement of the age and the wishes of all kind, diligent, honest, and trustworthy people. It is also the ideal pursued by all sages and saints for generations, and the objective law which cannot be changed by any individual's will.

    我们的人生是最伟大的人生,是摆脱了低级趣味的人生,我们的心中有光,有大爱,这光和爱能化解人间一切的矛盾和不幸,将人类导入一个春光明媚的田园。

    Our lives are the greatest lives because they have abandoned vulgar interests. In our hearts, we have shining lights and a big love, such lights and love can resolve all contradictions and unhappiness in the human world and lead us all into a lovely, beautiful spring garden.

    我们时刻准备好战斗,我们的武器不是刀枪导弹,而是对生命、对人类、对自然的大爱,对生活的热爱,爱就是我们战斗的武器,我们要用爱的武器砸烂一切桎梏和枷锁,要用爱的光芒去照破千古黑暗,用爱的力量击垮任何坚固 的旧城堡。

    We are ready to fight at any time. Our weapons are not swords, guns, or missiles, but a big love for nature, people, life, and LIFE. Love is the weapon in our fight, we will smash any shackles and chains with the power of love, and we will break through the darkness that has existed for thousands of years with the light of love and knock down all firm, old castles with the power of love.

    如果人们看到在一个极端艰苦的条件下还有一个孤军奋战的身影,这个人不是别人,是生命禅院的禅院草;当周围风沙弥漫邪气张狂人们瑟瑟发抖,却仍有一个人坚 定顽强步伐豪迈,这个人不是他人,是生命禅院的禅院草;当危险和死亡降临,人们悲观绝望无所适从的时候,若还有一个人面不改色心不跳,坦然从容,依然在歌 唱舞蹈,那么,这个人不是其他人,他就是生命禅院的禅院草。

    When we are faced with extremely harsh conditions, that lone figure fighting on could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan. When wind and sandstorms blow fiercely, evil raises its head, and people are scared and trembling in the dark, that one person walking bravely and firmly with strength and courage could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan. When danger and death come and people are pessimistic, desperate, and have lost their way, if one person is calm and peaceful without changing his face, still singing and dancing happily, then he could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan.

    任何假恶的力量击不倒我们,任何危险和恐惧吓不倒我们,我们不再是肉体,而是精神,一种博大的精神,一种跨越时空的精神,一种战无不胜的精神,一种粉不碎,击不垮的精神。

    No false or evil power can beat us and no fear or danger can frighten us because we are no longer bodies, but spirits, expansive spirits that go beyond time and space, invincible spirits that can be neither beaten nor smashed.

    我们有取之不尽,用之不竭的心灵力量,因为我们与上帝在一起,与大地在一起,与真善美爱信诚勤劳在一起,与光明在一起,与全世界一切爱好和平和正义的人们在一起,我们的心灵坚如磐石,我们就是新时代的 天使。

    We have boundless and inexhaustible soul power because we are with the Greatest Creator, we are with the earth, we are with sincerity, kindness, beauty, love, faith, honesty, and diligence, we are with light, and we are with all people who love peace and justice in the world. Our souls are as strong as rocks and we are angels of the new era.

    我们非常自信,我们的自信不是来自无知和盲目傲慢,不是来自毫无实际的虚幻,更不是来自天真烂漫的童话寓言,而是来自宇宙能量的源泉,来自丰富的生活实践,来自对道的充分认识和对人生及生命最切合实际的价值判断, 更来自我们对生活的热望和对生命的大爱。

    Of this, we are very confident! It is a confidence coming neither from ignorance and blind arrogance, nor from unrealistic illusions, nor even from naive fairy tales and fables. Our confidence comes from the source energy of the universe, the rich life experience, our full awareness of Tao, and the realistic valuable judgment to life and LIFE. Moreover, it is coming from the passionate hope for life and our big and deep love of LIFE.

    我们不再为个人而奋斗,不再为家庭、民族、国家而奋斗,不再为政党和宗教团体而奋斗,因为这样的人生太渺小、太狭隘、太猥琐、太近视,我们要为整个人类而奋斗,为把地球建设成为生命乐园而奋斗。

    We will no longer fight for personal gains, nor for the benefits of families, groups, or nations. We will not fight for political parties or religious organizations ever again because such fights would be too tiny, narrow, craven, and shortsighted. We will fight for the blessings of all human beings and strive for turning the earth into a fairyland for all life beings.

    我们呆若木鸡,有良好的心理素质,我们的内心有千钧势力,因为我们与"性、爱、道"合一,我们灵活机动,千变万化,善如水,坚如钢,遁无影,显如龙,平凡似一株株路边小草,非凡象一座座大山矗立云霄。

    We are calm and composed with good psychological qualities and we have endless power in our hearts because we are one with “Nature, Love, and Tao”. We are flexible and ever-changing, kind as water yet as firm as steel. We “have no shadows when hiding”, and are “like young dragons when emerging”, as ordinary as the grasses growing along the road yet as extraordinary as mountains standing tall and upright into the sky.

    天不生耶稣佛陀,万古如长夜,人类没有禅院草,美好的生活千载难找,我们要唤醒所有沉睡的心灵,让人们看到美好的前景,用我们的智慧划破无边的黑夜,用我 们的才华铺设一道进入乐园的彩虹,用我们的爱去温暖每一颗冻僵的心灵,用我们精神和心灵的巨大力量去拓展绿洲的疆土,用歌声、用鲜花、用笑脸、用温情创造 出一个芳香四溢欢乐幸福的人间乐园。

    If heaven had not send forth Jesus and Buddha, then all the times of the human world would remain clouded in darkness, and if mankind did not have Chanyuan Celestials, then wonderful lives would remain impossible to be found even after thousands of years. We will awaken all sleeping souls and let them enjoy bright and splendid futures, break the unbroken darkness with our wisdom, and use our talents to pave a rainbow that all might have access to a happy land. We will warm every frozen soul with our love, expand the lands of oases with the enormous power of our spirit and soul, and we will create a fragrant, joyful, and happy fairyland with songs, flowers, smiles, and warm affections in this human world.

    January 6, 2007


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    I'm soo proud to be a Chanyuan Celestial. Praise the Greatest Creator.
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    Praise the day of April 18th (this is the date of the starting of Lifechanyuan in China)

    shared by some female chanyuan members on April 19th, 2022





























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    From these pictures, I can tell how beautiful their heart is. They are normal in the appearance but extraordinary in their heart. So sweet when seeing their kissing pcitures and sharing the food with each other. LOVE and Sharing are the qualities of Heaven life.

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    Dear all, I love this article named " The Spirit of Chanyuan Celestials" soo much. I read it and one of our members makes this video, hope you can have a watch, thanks!





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    禅院草精神

    The Spirit of Chanyuan Celestials


    Deiform Buddha(Xuefeng)

    (Translated by Tongxin and Edited by Kaer)


    我们是大地之草,我们的根深植于肥沃的土壤,阳光照耀着我们,雨露滋润着我们,上帝时刻关爱着我们,我们拥有无穷无尽的力量。

    We are the grass of the earth and our roots grow deep into the fertile soil. The sun shines upon us, the rain and dew moisten us, and the Greatest Creator blesses us continuously, therefore, we have endless power.

    我们不再孤独,因为我们已经找到了精神和心灵的家园,我们有许许多多的知音相伴,在任何艰难困苦的条件下,唯有我们才能冲破一切藩篱去赢得丰富多彩的生活。

    We are not lonely anymore because we have found the homeland for our spirits and souls, we have many bosom friends in our home, and whenever we encounter hard or challenging conditions, only we can break down the barriers and win rich and colorful lives.

    我们能在沙漠中建造出绿洲,能在黑暗中建造出光芒万丈的灯塔,任凭风沙肆虐,酷暑严寒侵袭,我们依然顶天立地,笑傲于天地。

    We can create and build oases in the desert and shining lighthouses in the darkness. No matter how heavy the wind and sandstorms blow, or how strong the burning heat and frigid cold might hit us, we remain upright and indomitable and we stand confidently and proudly between heaven and earth with smiles on our faces.

    我们所从事的一切,都是上帝的安排,都是上帝赋予的使命,我们是上帝最喜爱的子民,为上帝服务是我们的荣耀,没有什么力量能阻挡我们奋勇前行。

    What we do today is all the arrangement of the Greatest Creator, it is the mission bestowed upon us by the Greatest Creator, we are the Greatest Creator's favored citizens, it is our glory to serve the Greatest Creator, and nothing can block us from striving forward and move forward with full speed and courage.

    今天,为人类开创新时代新生活的重担由我们承担,我们是人类的希望,我们,主要是我们,才是能够带领人类整体走向健康、富裕、自由、幸福时代的保证。

    Today, the heavy burden of creating a new life mode for the new era is undertaken by us, we are the hope of human beings, and it is mainly we who are the guarantors for leading human beings into this healthy, rich, free, and blessed era.

    不论是哪个国家、哪个民族、哪个政党、哪个宗教、哪个团体、哪个人,都必须按照生命禅院理念来调整自己的世界观、人生观、价值观,这是时代的要求,是一切善良、勤劳、诚实、守信人们的愿望,也是历代贤哲梦寐以求的 理想,更是不以任何个人的意志为转移的客观规律。

    It does not matter which country, nationality, political party, or which religion, organization, and belief system people come from, people must adjust their values on the world, life, and value according to Lifechanyuan values. This is the requirement of the age and the wishes of all kind, diligent, honest, and trustworthy people. It is also the ideal pursued by all sages and saints for generations, and the objective law which cannot be changed by any individual's will.

    我们的人生是最伟大的人生,是摆脱了低级趣味的人生,我们的心中有光,有大爱,这光和爱能化解人间一切的矛盾和不幸,将人类导入一个春光明媚的田园。

    Our lives are the greatest lives because they have abandoned vulgar interests. In our hearts, we have shining lights and a big love, such lights and love can resolve all contradictions and unhappiness in the human world and lead us all into a lovely, beautiful spring garden.

    我们时刻准备好战斗,我们的武器不是刀枪导弹,而是对生命、对人类、对自然的大爱,对生活的热爱,爱就是我们战斗的武器,我们要用爱的武器砸烂一切桎梏和枷锁,要用爱的光芒去照破千古黑暗,用爱的力量击垮任何坚固 的旧城堡。

    We are ready to fight at any time. Our weapons are not swords, guns, or missiles, but a big love for nature, people, life, and LIFE. Love is the weapon in our fight, we will smash any shackles and chains with the power of love, and we will break through the darkness that has existed for thousands of years with the light of love and knock down all firm, old castles with the power of love.

    如果人们看到在一个极端艰苦的条件下还有一个孤军奋战的身影,这个人不是别人,是生命禅院的禅院草;当周围风沙弥漫邪气张狂人们瑟瑟发抖,却仍有一个人坚 定顽强步伐豪迈,这个人不是他人,是生命禅院的禅院草;当危险和死亡降临,人们悲观绝望无所适从的时候,若还有一个人面不改色心不跳,坦然从容,依然在歌 唱舞蹈,那么,这个人不是其他人,他就是生命禅院的禅院草。

    When we are faced with extremely harsh conditions, that lone figure fighting on could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan. When wind and sandstorms blow fiercely, evil raises its head, and people are scared and trembling in the dark, that one person walking bravely and firmly with strength and courage could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan. When danger and death come and people are pessimistic, desperate, and have lost their way, if one person is calm and peaceful without changing his face, still singing and dancing happily, then he could only be a Chanyuan Celestial of Lifechanyuan.

    任何假恶的力量击不倒我们,任何危险和恐惧吓不倒我们,我们不再是肉体,而是精神,一种博大的精神,一种跨越时空的精神,一种战无不胜的精神,一种粉不碎,击不垮的精神。

    No false or evil power can beat us and no fear or danger can frighten us because we are no longer bodies, but spirits, expansive spirits that go beyond time and space, invincible spirits that can be neither beaten nor smashed.

    我们有取之不尽,用之不竭的心灵力量,因为我们与上帝在一起,与大地在一起,与真善美爱信诚勤劳在一起,与光明在一起,与全世界一切爱好和平和正义的人们在一起,我们的心灵坚如磐石,我们就是新时代的 天使。

    We have boundless and inexhaustible soul power because we are with the Greatest Creator, we are with the earth, we are with sincerity, kindness, beauty, love, faith, honesty, and diligence, we are with light, and we are with all people who love peace and justice in the world. Our souls are as strong as rocks and we are angels of the new era.

    我们非常自信,我们的自信不是来自无知和盲目傲慢,不是来自毫无实际的虚幻,更不是来自天真烂漫的童话寓言,而是来自宇宙能量的源泉,来自丰富的生活实践,来自对道的充分认识和对人生及生命最切合实际的价值判断, 更来自我们对生活的热望和对生命的大爱。

    Of this, we are very confident! It is a confidence coming neither from ignorance and blind arrogance, nor from unrealistic illusions, nor even from naive fairy tales and fables. Our confidence comes from the source energy of the universe, the rich life experience, our full awareness of Tao, and the realistic valuable judgment to life and LIFE. Moreover, it is coming from the passionate hope for life and our big and deep love of LIFE.

    我们不再为个人而奋斗,不再为家庭、民族、国家而奋斗,不再为政党和宗教团体而奋斗,因为这样的人生太渺小、太狭隘、太猥琐、太近视,我们要为整个人类而奋斗,为把地球建设成为生命乐园而奋斗。

    We will no longer fight for personal gains, nor for the benefits of families, groups, or nations. We will not fight for political parties or religious organizations ever again because such fights would be too tiny, narrow, craven, and shortsighted. We will fight for the blessings of all human beings and strive for turning the earth into a fairyland for all life beings.

    我们呆若木鸡,有良好的心理素质,我们的内心有千钧势力,因为我们与"性、爱、道"合一,我们灵活机动,千变万化,善如水,坚如钢,遁无影,显如龙,平凡似一株株路边小草,非凡象一座座大山矗立云霄。

    We are calm and composed with good psychological qualities and we have endless power in our hearts because we are one with “Nature, Love, and Tao”. We are flexible and ever-changing, kind as water yet as firm as steel. We “have no shadows when hiding”, and are “like young dragons when emerging”, as ordinary as the grasses growing along the road yet as extraordinary as mountains standing tall and upright into the sky.

    天不生耶稣佛陀,万古如长夜,人类没有禅院草,美好的生活千载难找,我们要唤醒所有沉睡的心灵,让人们看到美好的前景,用我们的智慧划破无边的黑夜,用我 们的才华铺设一道进入乐园的彩虹,用我们的爱去温暖每一颗冻僵的心灵,用我们精神和心灵的巨大力量去拓展绿洲的疆土,用歌声、用鲜花、用笑脸、用温情创造 出一个芳香四溢欢乐幸福的人间乐园。

    If heaven had not send forth Jesus and Buddha, then all the times of the human world would remain clouded in darkness, and if mankind did not have Chanyuan Celestials, then wonderful lives would remain impossible to be found even after thousands of years. We will awaken all sleeping souls and let them enjoy bright and splendid futures, break the unbroken darkness with our wisdom, and use our talents to pave a rainbow that all might have access to a happy land. We will warm every frozen soul with our love, expand the lands of oases with the enormous power of our spirit and soul, and we will create a fragrant, joyful, and happy fairyland with songs, flowers, smiles, and warm affections in this human world.

    January 6, 2007


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I'm soo proud to be a Chanyuan Celestial. Praise the Greatest Creator.
    How does someone become a celestial? I would argue that we are all celestial beings. Not always in word and deed but divine nonetheless. The more we embrace and know this the more we can change ourselves and our world.
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    Lets say communism CAN be "nice" for the privileged and is allowed to have some freedoms as long as people are not openly critical to the CCP and promote communism as "the only solution" ... Meanwhile the vast majority of China is not that privileged UNLESS they have a (very) high dystopian "Social Credit" score.
    • If I would be a Totalitarian/Authoritarian I would seek something to sell it (as a front, a show-case, a "flag ship") to the world "how good" we are ... and there it is, for all to see ... Makes perfect sense for P.R. / Propaganda purposes and most may not be even aware being used for that. Which is even better, because their expressions are registered as "authentic" ... The more people believe 100% their own propaganda as "wonderful" the more effect it has to sell that image/feeling to the world ... "ignorance can be bliss" here.
    Still not buying that communism is "the only solution" especially when you see how fast it gets corrupted (same issues in western countries as well) ... I assume this project has many authentic kind & generous people who are not corrupt being used by real corrupt authoritarians to sell it as how "wonderful" communism is. Not reflecting the whole truth only what they want you to see.

    Again most people seem nice & kind and mean no harm at all ... but that is not the point I was making.

    On a psychological level (having done Asian martial arts long time) I understand why (most) Asians overall do not know how to (or want to) say no to their superiors and/or elderly that is their culture. Their deep rooted respect for authority is in their DNA ... any form of criticism will be seen as "disrespectful" or as an "attack" ... Not understanding that healthy criticism is a sign that people care or that people expressing legit concerns ... to cover that up or to suppress that is to me a sign of weakness and sign of real disrespect for humanity overall.

    Even if criticism is (partly) incorrect, can never be a reason to use that as an excuse to suppress all criticisms ... Being offended is a big deal in Asia and people suffer the consequences ... this fear is also rooted in their culture. That is why more Chinese embrace totalitarian style social credits systems where people will be punished for not obeying rules made up by authoritarian control-freaks.

    Showing loyalty to your governmental system (no matter how corrupt it is or can be) is for most of them a deep feeling of "accomplishment" as you are making sure your family is safe ... your children your loved ones. Generation after generation of mass-conditioning through fear of course you do not want to be "selfish" by being critical to a (often corrupt) system that "feeds you". And any attempt of being 100% honest when practicing (healthy) criticism may end up that others in your family/friends will suffer the consequences ... this tactic is well known in psychology of psychopathic control-freaks gas-lighting anyone who dares to question them. Making you feel guilty if you do because others will suffer for it.

    To me it seems this dilemma is not easy to fix ... as there is a long history of relationship between the wilful enslaved the oppressed and their masters for centuries. When people voluntary report their own friends & family to the authorities if they committed "crimes" according to the psychopathic control freaks they become an extension of the same corruption and may even do it with a smile ... Really thinking they are "not egotistical" and very "respectful" serving "the greater good" blah blah ... and pointing at this psychological mechanism will be seen as "ego based" etc. etc. (not common sense).

    This concept can be found almost everywhere on Earth not exclusive to Asians ... but Asians have culture of being respectful to authorities no matter what ... Some may deviate from this, but CCP minions will most likely make sure they will be punished for their "disloyalty".
    • to be continued ... (this post/comment of mine is just a "warming up").
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    • to be continued ... (this post/comment of mine is just a "warming up").
    Save your breath, brother. You are not changing any minds here, not by running on like that. Better to direct folks to a source of info like the YouTube chan ADV Podcasts. Those guys (Winston and Matt) do get some things wrong, but people have to decide for themselves based on evidence. Talk is indeed cheap, no offence meant. Cheers back.

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    Funny you should mention sources on utube as better than the opinion of members.

    Does this Matt and poney show have some sort of authoritative rubber stamp?

    I'll take John's word over theirs.
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    In the modern human world which is very diverse and uncontainable for any single individual some people are high on philosophy and ideologies but short of experience.

    Many people forgot or never experienced sharing their food and resources with others, without expectations, people forgot to give gifts and help each other without rewards, in older times neighbourhoods and villagers used to cooperate on tasks, nowadays everyone is left to their own devices and every little piece of service costs.

    Some most modern education methods across Europe and America include lessons on the importance of sharing and compassion in their curriculums because they figured out that kids growing up in these times with professional parents, often nuclear families and stringent schedule feel awkward to make friends or offer them their piece of cake.

    Communes do not necessarily imply communism as overall solution, they could be one option among many. Ancient Indian ashrams and Vedic schools applied the same rule among students, even teachers, nothing was owned and everything was shared.

    Traditional Buddhist monasteries would practise the same way on inside.

    Feel lucky for life, and your future Life if you have ever made such beautiful experience , without the stress of ideologies .

    Being “one family”is not that uncommon for human gatherings and groups but there are two kinds of groups and gatherings:
    one who care and those who don’t.

    Secondly but pertinently , most of the above institutions failed to keep to their views and principles at some point of their history and started to accumulate wealth and resources instead thus turning to either income earning or even capitalist institutions ruined by corruption and greed.

    Most governments installing communism or socialism in their countries up to the North Korea, throwing millions of people to situation of economical inequity and poverty themselves live modern and luxurious life.

    Any such effort is vulnerable in today’s world . People who would voluntarily accept such life aren’t just few but the option itself does not exist, in pure sense.


    The Amish people and various tribal communities are witness to the same phenomenon , either they submit themselves to the human business or they perish.


    China or Russia claiming in the past to practice communism did not practice communism but slavery in disguise: if you do not or can not “work hard”, you die .

    In pure spiritual commune even if you can not work or contribute anything momentarily you are neither disqualified or have your shares taken away.

    Any commune or regime that forces people to work for living and hoards resources that are then used to improve lives of some against others is a metaphor for modern slavery.

    That much about nice cakes and fruit loops.

    Either you cut them safely in your own kitchen or pay ten times the price of Apple with chocolate sprinkles in your favourite caffe and pay the landlords.


    And then, showing your food and teeth around the internet again is your own choice, It depends on inner consent and showman skills to do that but most people, surprise, surprise won’t do that because they want to eat in peace so to say,
    like decent people. 😌


    Think of dining with your God under the Stars

    and not getting the idea of taking a snap

    or having a go..

    at him 🤣 whoever that fine person are.


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    (I said I was going to stop posting on this thread after Jena's personal attacks on me, but now that there is some real discussion going on, I think I will engage with other Avalonians on this thread.)
    Ernie wrote: "Does this Matt and poney show have some sort of authoritative rubber stamp?I'll take John's word over theirs."
    I don't think that was the implication, Ernie.
    Youtube videos from Winston and Matt and ADV podcasts are something I post regularly on the Turmoil in China thread, and they demonstrate very well first hand what most Chinese people are enduring nowadays.
    They are two young guys (one from South Africa, the other from the US) who met in China and spent years travelling all over China, talking with the people and chronicling their experiences on video.
    Winston, the South African's YT channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7...jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg
    Matt's is here:https://www.youtube.com/c/laowhy86/featured
    This is the ADV channel, which is their collaboration:https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=advchina
    They both married Chinese women and recently returned to their own countries, but they still have a great interest in what's going on in China, and have ongoing connections there still, Chinese citizens who are willing to let them know what's really going on there now--whistleblowers, but on a small scale, and remaining anonymous for the most part.

    As to John's long post, it's pretty clear that there is someone else in Jena's community who is reponding to some of the posts from Avalonians, because her comprehension of English is so limited.
    It's obvious when it's her respondiing and when it's the other person(s), as the grammar, spelling, sentence structure and ability to respond comprehensively are far superior.
    (This is not meant as a criticism of Jena, just a statement of fact.)
    As to whether anyone else in the community there is aware of or cares about these exchanges is a moot point, and we may never know the answer.
    And as to why Jena's community is still thriving whereas the first communities were destroyed by the local government, we may never know that either.
    But considering what is going on in Shanghai now, with foreigners there not even able to leave to return to their own countries, for any foreigners to go to China to visit that community now would probably be a very bad idea, because the lockdowns may spread, and there can be no doubt that the people in Shanghai are starving, and in very dire straits indeed.
    Here is one of the more recent videos about Shanghai



    Given how inaccurate the COVID testing has always been, it seems doubtful to me that all those people actually have COVID.
    I think the CCP knows that very well, and what we are actually seeing now is an example of how Xi isn't holding back on a full scale, depopulation agenda in swift operation.


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    Funny you should mention sources on utube as better than the opinion of members.

    Does this Matt and poney show have some sort of authoritative rubber stamp?

    I'll take John's word over theirs.
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    • to be continued ... (this post/comment of mine is just a "warming up").
    Save your breath, brother. You are not changing any minds here, not by running on like that. Better to direct folks to a source of info like the YouTube chan ADV Podcasts. Those guys (Winston and Matt) do get some things wrong, but people have to decide for themselves based on evidence. Talk is indeed cheap, no offence meant. Cheers back.
    • First of all am not your "brother" ... not symbolically, not figuratively and certainly not literately.
    When I share my perspectives/insights/views/opinions I do not assume I am always 100% correct ... that would be dogmatic, rigid and super arrogant ... am sharing how I perceive things without "playing nice" to "fit in" any mold of expectations ... I want to be as authentic & honest as I can be and never mind being corrected if done in a respectful & meaningful manner that is based upon: merit/good reasoning/common sense/solid grounds/real evidence etc. etc.

    My goal is not to "convince" them but rather allow a breeze of real freedom of thought being 100% frank and outspoken ... am known for being exactly that last 32 years producing all kinds of Alternative Media on record!

    To raise a different form of awareness that mostly get: ridiculed, laughed at, judged, demonized, censored, misunderstood, deliberately misinterpreted, scoffed, marginalized, casted aside, rejected by default etc. etc. so am used of that happening ... and when that happens I never let that be my focus HOW I should do things ... if I did I could not be really honest anymore I would become a copy of someone else's expectations ... and when you become like that you become a dis-service to the truth!

    Last 32 years I have been vindicated so many times it becomes super natural to me (not "supernatural" but a common theme of re-occurrences feedback-loop) ... that does not mean I am always (100%) right/correct ... but to explore my own level of understanding & comprehension of the bigger picture better I thrive, learn & grow by allowing myself to be unique and give myself freedom to express that uniqueness >>> with all the possible flaws I might have just like anyone else can have. Absolutely no fear "what others might think of me/say, or do" to me is key to find out what you really made of.

    If I have to adjust myself to the level that everybody "agrees" (which is in my view impossible especially when you discuss anything controversial) ... I would not be myself anymore but become a jelly fish dribbling in the currents of the "new normal" agenda ...normalizing insanity 24/7 serving Dystopian Agenda2030 <<< I do not want to be part of helping that kind of behavior I rather die if I am forced to be like that.
    • The main reason why I responded is to challenge >>> "communism is the only solution" assumption made by @xidaijena here on Project Avalon Forum and of course I am totally aware they most likely do not want to comprehend what I am actually saying ... This xidaijena account may be used by multiple people promoting their "good cause" ... Am aware of the language difficulties and know things can be different as were intended but her claim: "communism is the only solution" is not to be "misunderstood" that claim is super obvious for everybody no matter what country you are from.
    I allow myself to just insert different points of view that some may value who can dig why I am doing it ... If I have to wait for all people to fully comprehend what I actually saying then indeed that would be a total waste of time to do so >>> as I am not responsible for anyone's quality of thinking.

    <!-- update edit -->
    I was just checking dozens of comments made by @xidaijena and saw she (or they, whoever is using her account) are hard core defenders of the CCP and some Avalonians applaud for that ... that is so weird for so many reasons!
    <!-- end edit -->

    cheers,
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    I applauded Jena for - in my estimation at the time - trying to make the world a better place. I admit I skim read at times so may miss things so my intuition was guiding me with what I knew at the time.

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    I applauded Jena for - in my estimation at the time - trying to make the world a better place. I admit I skim read at times so may miss things so my intuition was guiding me with what I knew at the time.

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