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    Default Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    For technology and rocket engine buffs, this is an excellent, detailed, and (for some readers) fascinating article about hypersonic missiles, and how the Russians are way ahead of the US with this.

    It's way too long to copy here, so I'll just give the link. Maybe presciently, it was published in August 2021.

    Edit to add:
    Fixed the bad link, my apologies.

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    Question Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    I wonder who in Nato decided to call the new Russia Hypersonic Missiles: "SATAN 2" ... Hoping to "convince" Christians in Russia to see Putin working with the "Devil"? ... and then assuming they (Nato Allies) get support from Religious types? ... This is so lame as most deeds/lies/deceptive acts done by Nato & Western MSM is far closer to "Satan's Vibes" than anythings else.
    Quote Social media users say the RS-28 Sarmat, an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) dubbed ‘Satan 2’ by Western analysts, was revealed in late February, in the days after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine. source
    If it was not Nato but just some nut on social media, the mass (brainwashing) media LOVE to use the label over and over ... so much so it is obvious how it fits perfectly in their psychological warfare operations.
    • Wikipedia quote:
    "The RS-28 Sarmat (Russian: РС-28 Сармат,[5] named after the Sarmatians;[6] NATO reporting name: SS-X-29;[7] or SS-X-30;[8]), sometimes colloquially** known in the West as the "Satan II", is a Russian liquid-fueled, MIRV-equipped super-heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) under development by the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau since 2009.[5][9] It is intended to replace the R-36M ICBM (SS-18 'Satan') in Russia's arsenal.[10][11]

    The Sarmat is one of the six new Russian strategic weapons unveiled by Russian president Vladimir Putin on 1 March 2018.[12] The RS-28 Sarmat made its first test flight on 20 April 2022,[13] and the Russian government expects the missile to enter service later in the year.[14]"
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    • ** "colloquially" = in the language of ordinary or familiar conversation; informally.
    Me: Realllly???? ... just because extreme ultra small percentage coined it "SATAN 2" does NOT make it "ordinary use" by the "common people" but it is just part of the predictable corrupt Mainstream Media Tactics.
    • So many times Wikipedia is used for the Perception Wars where they expect blind trust of their obvious propaganda lies & framing is the "new normal".
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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    Russia - patent RU2485081C1 - Composition of paste-like rocket fuel for ramjet engines with afterburner chamber

    Abstract

    FIELD: chemistry.
    SUBSTANCE: invention relates to rocket engineering and specifically production of paste-like fuel for ramjet engines an afterburner chamber. Disclosed is a composition which contains nanodispersed metal powders. The nanodispersed metal powders are boron powder or a mixture of powdered aluminium borides with 34-62% aluminium content, average particle size of 60-350 nm, which are obtained by re-condensation in a plasma arc reactor. The solvent used is decilin solvent of general formula C10H16, which is thickened with polyethylene in amount of 2-10%, with the following ratio of components, wt %: decilin 30-40, polyethylene 2.5-10; nanodispersed boron powder or mixture of aluminium borides containing 34-62% Al 15-35; ammonium perchlorate 15-35.
    EFFECT: composition of said paste-like rocket fuel has a high rate of combustion, high combustion heat and efficiency.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2485081C1/en

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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    Hypersonic flight is flight through the atmosphere below about 90 km at speeds above Mach 5, a speed where dissociation of air begins to become significant and high heat loads exist.

    The combination of speed, manoeuvrability, and altitude of hypersonic missiles, capable of travelling at more than five times the speed of sound, makes them difficult to track and intercept. When missiles fly beyond Mach 5, materials melt, airflow turns turbulent, and budgets enter the stratosphere.

    The Differences Between Unmanned Aircraft, Drones, Cruise Missiles and Hypersonic Vehicles

    By Lieutenant Colonel Andreas Schmidt, GE AF, JAPCC
    By Lieutenant Colonel André Haider, GE A, JAPCC

    https://www.japcc.org/the-difference...onic-vehicles/

    List of Fastest Military Drones in the World

    https://airpower.airforce.gov.au/APD...-Air-Power.pdf

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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    I wonder how many black projects the NATO team has that they haven't shown yet. Just thinking the Russian are getting desperate to use there best weapon against a supposedly inferior army like Ukraine. Oh yeah this war was going to be over in a couple days. I guess thats why they butcher women and children and bomb civilian targets for terror tactics. Oh yeah all the pictures we see in the US are fake news, big production budgets and Hollywood sets right. Open your eyes and see what the world sees . Putin is a troubled little man who wants to bring back the USSR against NATO, a defense alliance that countries ask to join not be taken over in war. I bet i piss off alot of people with post but this a barbaric war and alot of people on this site are blinded because of the reporting by the MSM and think every thing is a lie by on the ground news reporting with alot of people dying. The Russian people who have had billions stolen from them by Putin and his buddies need to over throw him and get rid of the authoritarian dictatorship he has created.I joined this site over ten years ago and can't believe what it has become in the last few years. So i guess this is goodbye can't handle the bull**** any more.

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    Quote Posted by frodo13 (here)
    I wonder how many black projects the NATO team has that they haven't shown yet. Just thinking the Russian are getting desperate to use there best weapon against a supposedly inferior army like Ukraine. Oh yeah this war was going to be over in a couple days. I guess thats why they butcher women and children and bomb civilian targets for terror tactics. Oh yeah all the pictures we see in the US are fake news, big production budgets and Hollywood sets right. Open your eyes and see what the world sees .
    Putin is a troubled little man who wants to bring back the USSR against NATO, a defense alliance that countries ask to join not be taken over in war. I bet i piss off alot of people with post but this a barbaric war and alot of people on this site are blinded because of the reporting by the MSM and think every thing is a lie by on the ground news reporting with alot of people dying. The Russian people who have had billions stolen from them by Putin and his buddies need to over throw him and get rid of the authoritarian dictatorship he has created.I joined this site over ten years ago and can't believe what it has become in the last few years. So i guess this is goodbye can't handle the bull**** any more.
    You seem to be a product of a long gone time, where information was not available and people would believe anything their governments told them without any kind of judgment, a time when movies were always "good vs bad" and the US would always win and the "evil" guys would suffer a terrible death at the end. So comical and childish

    It says more about you than about Putin that you speak with so much hate and look troubled about a war like this one, ignoring all the facts that even the UN has collected over the years and basically you are saying "i don't care, i hate Russia because that's how i am". It doesn't look good for you

    If only you had been so upset about the millions the US and allies have killed across the world in the past decades, through lies and BS the likes no one has ever been able to reproduce anywhere else on this planet, then maybe we would live on a different world, but nope, this is what we have

    Thanks! We would not be here without you and every other person who thinks and acts the same, this is an invaluable lesson for humanity

    Quote So i guess this is goodbye can't handle the bull**** any more
    Sure you can! The tremendous amounts of ignorance and BS that you have been mouth fed by your country and government "culture" through all your time on this planet up until now are the very proof of that.

    You can take much more than that, i'm sure, the best of the best of the best never gives up.

    And remember, the good guys endure it all and come out winning at the end! Just like in the movies
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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    Related to my last post, i just want to make something clear:

    "The moment the government and the people are both perfectly aligned and in agreement with everything the government does in representation of 'the people', regardless of what that is or how it affects the world, then there is no will of the people anymore, there's no democracy, there is only a dictator and the slaves who have no voice"

    As in the Matrix, "some people are so dependent on the system, they will do anything to prevent it from falling"

    I find it so funny that some people allow themselves to be tainted and get themselves all worked out defending their government positions, when that same government uses them as toilet paper as soon and in any opportunity they have.

    They government doesn't work for the people, and never will, and it doesn't represent the people, they represent their own goals and interests, people are just a tool and the wallet that will pay the price in the end. Don't get worked up for the patron, he doesn't care unless he wins something from you, otherwise you are a slave worker bee. Wake up

    Prove me wrong
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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    The U.S. (Pentagon) likes to under estimate the U.S. abilities and over estimate a potential enemy. Don't be too sure the U.S. is behind in the technology.

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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    Quote Posted by Maknocktomb (here)
    The U.S. (Pentagon) likes to under estimate the U.S. abities and over estimate a potential enemy. Don't be too sure the U.S. is behind in the technology.

    Every country does, see for example, did you know there are around 300 hypersonic misile silos around the Moscow region, dating back to the beginning of the 1980's? This tech is not new, it has been there since long ago, it's just that now it has been displayed in public so that people see that Russia also has it.

    But this is not something the US did not know, this is a PR demonstration for the other countries in the world that were not 'in the club' of those who are able to see this intel

    The previous/old version of the hypersonic tech Russia never displayed exists, and it was placed in the Moscow region and in other places decades ago, the US did the same. Regular old missiles are a joke, their are slow and defective, and easily traceable and easy to figure out where they will fly through and so on, that's not a real deterrent for Russia or the US, the hypersonic missiles were and still are.

    If these are being displayed now, it means there are others that are not being displayed. It's the usual game

    The old slow and perfectly fat and easy to track missiles are a deterrent for the rest of the world. For the US and Russia, there is another game in play right now and since very long ago. Only a few countries are invited into that game, as spectators
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    Quote Posted by Malisa (here)

    The old slow and perfectly fat and easy to track missiles are a deterrent for the rest of the world. For the US and Russia, there is another game in play right now and since very long ago. Only a few countries are invited into that game, as spectators
    As far as earlier missiles go, I think the manoeuvring kind were all fairly short range. Like the Nike variants and one other US thing I forget it’s name.

    I Don’t doubt Russian missile prowess though. S/C-75 was no joke.

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    USA is kind of well working country mostly (27th country in corruption index), and lots of people have good karma there. But I don’t think their foreign policies have been very good morally (for example since the cold war end), they have abused their power (almost monopoly) a lot, and karma is starting to show.

    Europe used to be the king of the hill for centuries (what USA is now), I think what’s happening now is bad karma from that era.

    When the bad karma is finally processed, I think good times are coming.

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    Quote Posted by Zem (here)
    USA is kind of well working country mostly (27th country in corruption index), and lots of people have good karma there. But I don’t think their foreign policies have been very good morally (for example since the cold war end), they have abused their power (almost monopoly) a lot, and karma is starting to show.

    Europe used to be the king of the hill for centuries (what USA is now), I think what’s happening now is bad karma from that era.

    When the bad karma is finally processed, I think good times are coming.
    US influenced organism write those lists lol.. Ever heard of "we investigated ourselves and determined we have done no wrong" ?

    How do you go about killing millions of people just to take a country down because it doesn't align with your views and then call yourself "democratic and freedom leader of the world"

    By being the most anti-democratic and most corrupt and oppressive country in the world is the answer

    That list is corrupt
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    Default Re: Hypersonic Missiles, and how they work

    A couple of responses here, if I may.

    Quote Posted by frodo13 (here)
    I wonder how many black projects the NATO team has that they haven't shown yet.
    Well, if we enlarge this a little, it's an interesting question that's rarely if ever discussed anywhere. (And this may well deserve a thread of its own!)

    I'm certain that the Deep Black US "military" (if it can be called that in any meaningful sense) has highly advanced technology that few might ever imagine. Many reading this will know that Ben Rich, the former head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, 30 years ago said all of the following, to various people and in various situations, including very shortly before he died:







    So just for a start here, taking this all at face value (and I and many other researchers do), the implications are that somewhere in the US (or maybe in US-controlled outposts like the remote islands of Diego Garcia or Kwajalein) — as well as in orbital space platforms — there's the capacity to intervene and instantly take control of just about anything on the ground, anywhere at all. And maybe pretty much magically and invisibly, too.

    And it's likely that the Russians have similar technology. Dmitry Medvedev hinted at such in a cryptic public statement several years ago. (I'm trying to find the quote, but searching for that kind of thing is hard now with the Ukraine situation overwhelming all the search results.)

    So back to topic here: yes, the technology for hypersonic missiles has been possessed somewhere in the US for decades. But all this, and much more, is being withheld from public view. It's really a "Breakaway Civilization" kind of thing. (Like Free Energy and Antigravity. Wade Frazier has written extensively about his his former colleague Dennis Lee was taken to an underground base over 20 years ago and given a demonstration.)

    It's a huge topic. The world is going to hell in a handbasket (@Malisa, that's an English idiom for something being reduced to chaos and destruction very quickly!) and the release of Free Energy technology would solve everything. If the "US" really wants to punish Russia for its control over oil and gas exports, Free Energy would solve al that immediately. Among the alt community, only Steven Greer, to his credit, is still hammering that point, and he's totally correct.

    But clearly, whoever's making these high level decisions doesn't want to do that. That then leads into the question of what is actually planned for the planet. I've written about this on these two threads:
    But we're wandering WAY off-topic here. I just wanted to state that of course, the "US" has very highly advanced technology, probably including things that make hypersonic missiles look like bows and arrows. But none of it is public, and NATO certainly doesn't know a thing about it.




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    I joined this site over ten years ago and can't believe what it has become in the last few years. So i guess this is goodbye can't handle the bull**** any more.
    Well, always remember that you don't know what you don't know, And I'm both certain (and quietly proud, if I may say) that on Avalon one will find information and informed, intelligent opinion about MANY things that are almost impossible to collectively find anywhere else. Really. This site, while it's very small, is close to being unique on the entire planet.

    You're incorrect in your views, and anyone being a member here does have the opportunity to learn an enormous amount aout many things — simply by being willing to put aside many of one's mainstream-molded preconceived ideas.

    But then. everyone has a right to make decisions for themselves about their life's journey of learning and discovery, and no-one should ever interfere with that. If you want to leave the forum, just let us know. Just please beware of falling into the trap that you'll learn more on CNN.


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    And I think that closer the USA is building it’s military bases (to China and Russia), the faster missiles they are trying to develop. They only seem like game-changers for Russia and China, it wouldn’t even be that logical for USA to try to develop them, at least they are not currently that important.

    And you can’t just simply develop game-changing technology without good karma. Germany won almost all the Nobel Prizes for physics in the early 1900’s, but even that amount of new technology couldn’t help them.

    "Foolish man," said the adept, "to thus defy the powers that regulate all destinies."

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    Society as we know it cannot survive even a limited nuclear exchange.

    Imagine that such a little thing as a mild flu has brought our systems to the brink of collapse. The repercussion of poor choices made in haste by fearful leaders and driven by corporate greed has caused untold suffering, and death, around the world.

    A nuclear bomb devastates a huge swath of land and the fallout lays waste to an area as much as hundreds of miles from the blast site.

    If even a few such bombs were exchanged and exploded over their targets, the result would be instant chaos and imminent collapse of all societal functions. No society can endure such an onslaught without drastic change.

    If a full exchange were to take place, which is very probable in the small amount of time from the moment the first rocket takes flight that a launch choice would have to be made by every nuclear-armed nation, there would be very little left alive on the planet when the dust settles...

    Non-nuclear tactical use of hyper-sonic technology is akin to cruise missile tech in that the strike is very difficult to defend against. The USA have used cruise missiles to great effect. It seems the Russians have their own high tech surgical response.

    The ram-jet engine has been a science magazine staple for many years. Together with the scram-jet engine, it has been postulated that it could be an efficient way to fly to earth orbit, switching from ordinary jet engines to ram-jets to scram-jets as the air thins at higher altitudes. Whereas ram jets use nano-particles as fuel, scram jets rely on their speed to create massive pressure in the combustion chamber directly.

    Once in space another type of propulsion often mentioned is the ion-drive, which would need giant magnets to suck up available electrons in a huge area to drive its electric "ion" engine. Since space is cold, it is feasible to fabricate super conducting wires, cables, and other materials to make extremely efficient ion drives.
    Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. Bruce Lee

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