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    Default Calm before the storm but where to go?

    I noticed an increase in the doom and gloom scenarios recently, with so many commentaries advising that if you live in the West nations then its time to relocate.

    Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.

    I actually know of a young couple that've just upped sticks and moved to Mexico.

    But where to go?

    Advice given- mainly relocate to South America or parts of Asia or similarly Africa. Move and possibly disappear to countries that are poorer than the west nations.

    Here in the UK there's lots of talk about starting self sufficient communes moving to the countryside get off the grid so to speak; my thoughts are moving away from the cities is prolonging the agony, you cannot hide here!

    What do you believe? Do we Run and hide- relocate if we can to places to escape the oncoming totalitarian rule?

    Should we: stay and fight -would that be feasible? Or do we simply ignore the doomsday narratives -because it's not happening?

    Do we ask Bill to make some room for us all in Ecuador

    Appreciate your thoughts!
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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Hi Mizo and thanks for bringing up this subject.

    You are quite correct in what you write: whether "being here" or "coming soon", it does not look good. Staying positive is not simple, for anyone. Even when one may get more of "a peek" in what's really happening compared to many others.

    Where to go? I feel like it's best to "go where your Soul/Intuition directs one to go, and not rely on any outside events". Those fleeing to Mexico may get mugged by drug barons, or worse. If it IS where they are meant to be and they just follow their Inner Knowing, then all will be fine, no matter what may happen.

    And I think the above is a "general rule"; once I was told "The only Way out, is In". No greater Truth than thàt. Where to do "this In", is anywhere your Intuition tells you to go. Forget reason, forget logic. The only "safe haven" is within your Own Self.

    Stay? Move? Go to Ecuador? If you do the last thing, do not forget to take a good umbrella!

    At least here at PA, we THINK about those matters and that is a big plus, by itself.
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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    My thoughts on the matter are that I'm not going anywhere... if I was younger (and healthier) I might be thinking of it but what's the point when the Enemy is everywhere - deeply embedded throughout the world...

    you said this in your post..

    Quote Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.
    now the only way the perpetrators have managed to keep their rotten, oppressive plans going is by fooling the people and keeping them compliant and docile...but if what you say above happens the compliance and docility will soon disappear and that is when the game could change... will change.... and that's when although there could be very difficult times ahead the 'cat will be out of the bag'... I think there are limits on people's acceptance even when they are under 24/7 brainwashing programmes ... survival instinct will kick in... hopefully...

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    We live in Australia and we were planning to move to the north of Queensland, but in an interview with Max Igan (who moved to Mexico about 7 months ago), it was mentioned that the WEF wants to make Queensland some kind of headquarters. We do know that Australia has been targeted, so not sure about staying. I have a close friend who moved to Mexico a couple of years ago and she hasn't had any issues. There are some simple rules to follow, like being careful if you go out in the evenings. She does lives in a gated community, so those are issues to consider in moving to Mexico. We've thought about moving to Costa Rica but someone said the other day that things are not what they seem there. I haven't investigated what that means. Bali looks appealing and I've got a close friend who moved there about 5 years ago and lives in a community about 12km outside of Ubud. He loves it. They've have really been happy with the absence of motor scooters on the Ubud roads over the last two years but he mentioned the other day that as tourism returns, the number of scooters on the roads is now on the increase. What to do, what to do ...?
    Our destiny is in our hands. Let us visualise a world of truth, freedom and equality.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    I think sustainability of where you are at, or where you go to, is important. I include in that not just access to land and water, or farms/ food producers relatively locally, but also finding neighbours or small populated areas that are friendly, community minded and inclined to help each other out. I agree that everywhere is compromised, but the local scene could make the difference.
    Where I live, being able to walk to the beach or hike around the bush not far away, see horizons and find beauty, is also important as food for the soul - it helps me to get through the constant negatively being poured out.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    ..i relocated to S.W. ireland 30 years ago, and it still feels like one of the safest places,despite E.U. membership..also fish in the sea, and my polytunnel, is a bit reassuring
    ..however as people point out major changes will happen, usually slower here considerably
    ..i am dealing with the final enemy, old age, and somewhat handicapped(left hand) so my traveling/escaping days are curtailed
    have to make the best of it, short of finding a magic wardrobe with passage to NARNIA(smiles)

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    As a Christian I believe that we are entering what the Bible calls Jacob's trouble, and as a Christian I have to believe the promises of Almighty GOD and that He will ultimately intervene. I do not think anywhere on this earth is safe anymore, the whole world has been corrupted, our governments, our churches, every sphere of life, there is danger everywhere.I do not write this to preach, but to answer the question of where can we go. As a Christian I have to hold onto my faith and believe that wherever I go that GOD Almighty will protect me.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    If the evil would have been let to spread without control, the world would have ended long ago. There is a higher order above them, but also not entirely interfering with free will of mankind, to let us taste the consequence of our actions. It has been decreed by God the Almighty.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    I moved from the city to the north west Highlands of Scotland 40 years ago. I live in a very remote area, my nearest neighbour is quarter of a mile away.
    I eventually managed to be totally off grid with my ecoflow solar generator as my only source of power.
    I have no intentions of moving anywhere else

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Quote Posted by Billy (here)
    I moved from the city to the north west Highlands of Scotland 40 years ago. I live in a very remote area, my nearest neighbour is quarter of a mile away.
    I eventually managed to be totally off grid with my ecoflow solar generator as my only source of power.
    I have no intentions of moving anywhere else

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Generally, you are where you need to be. If you are not, then you will have reasons to move - from a hunch, to a job offer, to an opportunity. It really is as simple as that. You will be awesome wherever you are.

    If one place was clearly better than another, lots of people would move there and ruin it! Everywhere on Earth is beautiful, even the ugly **** holes contain beauty if you look.

    The storms will keep coming though. It could be a bumpy ride - it already has been for a lot of people. Cleaning out the evil from dark places was never going to be easy, but it needs doing.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    We've got friends over in Germany and only last week we were discussing this on the phone. They said that lots of Germans have gone to live in Panama for a better way of life.
    I think that wherever you are in the world there will be no escaping the rise in the costs of food/energy etc etc.
    We're staying put and continuing to grow even more of our own food.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    My thoughts on the matter are that I'm not going anywhere... if I was younger (and healthier) I might be thinking of it but what's the point when the Enemy is everywhere - deeply embedded throughout the world...

    you said this in your post..

    Quote Coming soon: Famine. Pestilence. Private property seizure. Lockdowns. Curfews. Food riots & civil wars- all happening within months. Jabbed will be dropping like flies. Aids epidemic and so on.
    now the only way the perpetrators have managed to keep their rotten, oppressive plans going is by fooling the people and keeping them compliant and docile...but if what you say above happens the compliance and docility will soon disappear and that is when the game could change... will change.... and that's when although there could be very difficult times ahead the 'cat will be out of the bag'... I think there are limits on people's acceptance even when they are under 24/7 brainwashing programmes ... survival instinct will kick in... hopefully...

    That's a good point. There simply has to be a tipping point when enough ppl wake up, and sadly, I always thought that it would happen when things get really ugly.

    And yes, Johan (keyholder) I agree 100% with the absolute need for us to go within, in order to get through this. And to start to own our Human-ness (take 100% responsibility) and to get off grid as far as we are able, sharpen our survival skills.
    Many years ago, I picked up a copy of the SAS Survival Handbook and thought that the human race would one day sorely need to learn the skills espoused within it.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Hi all!

    At this stage, aside from moving out of the large city areas (if you can!!!), I would stay put.

    Being a lone wolf is not the way to go IMO, if we are to visualize a new and more positive continuation to this Civilisation.

    Building and nurturing a network of individuals of like mind and good heart and finding your Tribe (soul group) is my priority.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    IMHO moving to country where you aren't fluent in the language, don't have family or longstanding friends isn't a good idea right now.

    If things get as bad as some say you will have to be able to defend your property & family from gangs, that will in most places be likely to be armed.

    I've chosen a village away from large cities where my accent doesn't make me stand out, I left rural France after Macron got in the first time.


    It will only take food shortages for law & order to collapse, its only ordinary people carrying on that is keeping things going, all the institutions are now so utterly corrupt that there is no one in any position to sort anything out.

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    It seems to me that the new normal is all about the old normal having run its course.

    The system has tracks or grooves that stratifies society into various segments based on credit.

    There are the 30% at the bottom who have no access to credit. This group ranges primarily from the homeless to the basement dwellers, but a few at the very top of the group have somehow managed to rent a real apartment.

    The middle 50% rent or pay a mortgage. Their credit ranges from poor to stellar.

    20% move in circles the rest will never experience.


    In a healthy economy, there is vigorous movement up and down between the two bottom classes and a bit of upward mobility toward the elite class - but the proportions remain the same because it is the nature of the system - the stratification is built into it.

    With the current open border and liberal immigration policies, the third world population is pouring into the 'first world' nations and swamping the bottom class. This creates a downward pressure on the middle class, as they compete for goods and jobs. It also creates an unnatural upward surge for the elite class, as they reap the profits of a burgeoning economy.


    So the new normal is merely the replenishment of the bottom class, which erodes the prosperity of the middle class and increases the total share for the elites as demand outstrips supply.

    That is what has been going on now for some time.

    It is the attitude of the new worker from impoverished nations that continues or perpetuates the cycle. They dream of the lifestyle they imagine awaits them in their adopted country and are willing to do whatever it takes to realize that dream.

    Since the original population is already stratified, the newcomers find slots within the groups based primarily on merit and work ethic, but also on ethnic and racial equity projects that unnaturally slant the playing field in their favour.

    The end result is the same regardless, that is until supply cannot keep with demand. The end result, the new normal, is the same as before, the old normal, with society again stratified into the three classes in roughly the same proportions.

    Except as this stressor continues the elite class gather more and more of the pie. Owning everything, the two other classes merge as everyone becomes renters or homeless.


    The best solution is a grand culling, to bring society down to numbers manageable by the system and a grand reset of credit, with the elite setting up a new fiat monetary system to fleece the labour of the bottom classes.


    The new normal is just a reshuffling of the pack, and a new deal of the cards for those that survive, then back to the old normal once again.
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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    I'm not going anywhere else as I can't afford to do so. However, through a quirk of fate I'm living in a small village where there is a lot of mutual support, we saw that in 2020 when the Coronacircus started and help was mobilised for the vulnerable to get their shopping and meds. Everyone pulls together here.

    To be honest, I remember the same thing being said around 2010 or 2011 and I prepped as much as I could on groceries. It all got used later though when the dire events never happened! That said, things are taking a turn for the worse, but I'm prepping by expanding my garden to grow more food. I don't worry for myself, but for my cat seeing as most of our pet food is now imported; I'm prepping on that as it all has 2 year dates, but if that runs out I'll cook meat for her seeing as we have a few farmers here who could supply off-cuts.

    I was also raised by parents who were kids during WW2, and their parents lived through both world wars. Their experiences have helped me greatly in being capable of improvising, making do and mending, and living on a tight budget. I think that if they could go through what they did, I can cope with whatever **** is thrown my way. I have the genes of survivors.
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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    This has made me think, do we need a UK preppers thread, due to the unique nature of being on an island where everything is overpriced, with no wilderness & no access to firearms for the vast majority of the population ?

    There aren't many nations with the restrictions we have !

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Quote Posted by Spiral (here)
    This has made me think, do we need a UK preppers thread, due to the unique nature of being on an island where everything is overpriced, with no wilderness & no access to firearms for the vast majority of the population ?

    There aren't many nations with the restrictions we have !
    Sounds good - we are the second most overcrowded country in Europe, with Luxembourg in first place! That means no cheap land or housing and very strict building regulations, apart from places like the most remote parts of Wales and Scotland where facilities are meagre - but communities are strong.

    Quite a few European countries could relate to it as well. "Prepping on an overcrowded island"?

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    Default Re: Calm before the storm but where to go?

    Quote Posted by mizo (here)

    Appreciate your thoughts!
    Kudos, Mizo, for this thread. I have quite enjoyed reading the 18 comments above. Lots of care and astuteness and hope, and some good ideas.

    I am in the stay, or wherever you happen to be, camp.

    I get the value of trying to foresee danger, and working to mitigate. Seems like common sense. What I don’t want to do is entertain fear to the point of nurturing it.

    People die. Whatever happens after that is up for debate, but I do not want to die in fear (or having a developed fearfullness for any thing).

    Cheers. - John

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