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    Here's a section from Alexander Mercouris' video for today which I found fascinating, as someone who's been involved in the past professionally with issues of management and leadership. (As Mercouris has, as well.)

    The details here are a little arcane, but anyone interested in Putin's personality (his actual one, not the demonic figure he's somehow portrayed as in western media — and even by one or two apparent Russophobes on the forum! ).

    Mercouris discusses — with some relish — the published exchange between Putin and his Minister of Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, in the context of a wider government meeting held a couple of days ago. The entire transcript is published here:

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70338

    In this exchange, Manturov is roasted by Putin for failing to answer his questions to his satisfaction (and IMO, quite appropriately too). He clearly came to the meeting unprepared, and while Putin is really quite a patient and moderate man (yes, he is), he can't abide sloppiness or evasiveness. Efficiency is what he wants all around him.

    So he always seeks facts and figures and detailed answers to his direct questions. If there are particular problems, he also wants to hear them. But here Manturov is wriggling around like a hapless scolded schoolboy, and I confess I found it hilarious. (Mercouris did, too.)

    The section starts off (slowly) at 43.35, and then builds for 15-16 minutes as Manturov keeps on digging his hole deeper and deeper, all the time Putin becoming more and more annoyed. For any students of Putin who may be reading this — Enjoy.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    The details here are a little arcane, but anyone interested in Putin's personality (his actual one, not the demonic figure he's somehow portrayed as in western media — and even by one or two apparent Russophobes on the forum! ).
    ...
    Putin has a personality? Look, let me make one thing clear: I'm not a Russophobe. But I am a leaderphobe and this strange concept of a leader that acts like a human is alien to me. I've lived in England my entire life, see it from my perspective.

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    Vladimir Putin: Leading Humanity Through the Transition

    Vladimir Putin was not afraid to enter into a fierce geopolitical and military battle with the Empire of Lies. The whole world perceives the Ukrainian war in this way. They have been encroaching right up to the borders of Russia. It is not surprising that the Russian president is pushing back, but that does not mean he is threatening European or world stability or peace.

    Recently, former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted that "the 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not the modern Ukraine," Referring to Merkel's comments, Putin said, "It was absolutely unexpected for me. It's disappointing ... Trust almost dropped to zero." This only shows, he went on to say, "that launching the SMO [Special Military Operation] was the right decision".

    Zelensky, a week before the war was launched, threatened to tear up the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, allowing Ukraine to develop nuclear weapons. That announcement was probably still ringing in Putin's ears when he started the SMO.

    Back in March, more than 40,000 Syrians registered to fight alongside Russia in Ukraine, how many, if any, actually got permission to join the SMO is unknown. But Syria was undoubtedly saved by Russia in 2015-17 when it played a key role in defeating the CIA's proxy jihadist horde. Or as one Syrian reported; "Russian soldiers gave their blood for Syrian soil, and now it is time [for the Syrians] to help the brotherly [Russians]."

    You could say that this is how Putin's Russia naturally acts and builds relationships. To help out those in need and countries that ask for it. Syrian president Bashar al-Assad had the following to say about this: If Moscow asks, Syrians will fight with Russia in Ukraine.



    Unlike the USA, Russia does not have vassals, it has friends, and the only thing they have to do is ask. The Syrian president also said "Western nations bear responsibility for the chaos and bloodshed," accusing them of using "dirty methods to support terrorists in Syria and Nazis in Ukraine." A valid point.

    While the Empire is creating chaos, Russia is trying to put out the fire. We must ask ourselves who is taking a stand for humanity and who advocated and practices domination and destruction.

    END OF UNIPOLARITY

    ''Attempts to create a unipolar world have acquired an absolutely ugly configuration in recent times and they are absolutely unacceptable for the overwhelming majority of states on this planet'' ~ Vladimir Putin (Source)

    The US elite refuse to accept a multi polar world order for the benefit of all, and would rather risk everything to maintain their faltering dominance.

    But I'll tell you what the problem is, as a former citizen of the Soviet Union. The problem of empires is that they imagine themselves to be so powerful that they can allow themselves small miscalculations and errors. Some they'll bribe, some they'll scare, some they'll make a deal with, some they'll give glass beads, some they'll frighten with warships — and this will fix problems. But the number of problems continues to grow. There comes a moment when they can no longer cope with them. The United States are making sure-footed strides directly along the path of the Soviet Union. ~ Vladimir Putin (Source)

    The US Empire is having a mental breakdown. Blowing up energy pipelines of their supposed EU allies, preventing sovereign countries from meeting up with Russian officials, pressuring Turkey on which payment systems their banks can use, cope-sanctioning Algeria for buying Russian weapons.

    Short on 'soft power', the only thing it has left on its downward trajectory, and by which it can get attention, is explicit threats of violence or other punitive measures.

    SATANIC TAKEOVER

    ''Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a "religion in reverse" - pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: "By their fruits ye shall know them." These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.'' ~ Vladimir Putin (Source)

    Leaders in the West are truly wicked, and their work truly pushes in the opposite direction of life.

    The current global confrontation is also taking place in the spiritual/religious realm. Russia is at war with an anti-religious Western civilization that is itself at war with God and attempting to overthrow the very foundations of spiritual and moral values: God, the Church, the family, gender, man. The anti-Christian Western "woke" elites are bent on the destruction of Christian Russia, a war against the last Christian bastion.

    Putin is unapologetic about Russia's determination to defend Christian values and maintained that it is very important to defend Christianity against the corroding influence of Antichrist-type ideas that are causing people to lose their human dignity.

    A psychopathic elite is bent on recreating humanity in their own deviant image, with one of their goals evidently being to normalize Pedophilia, making Putin's struggle a veritable holy war of good against evil.

    FINISHING THE FIGHT
    Putin's Russia has the status of the undisputed leader of the "alternative" world, capable, and more importantly, ready to use force where it considers it fundamental and important for its own survival and that of basic human rights.

    Metaphorically-speaking, the world is one big schoolyard with a single, big, bad bully. Until now, the majority stood with the bully, either out of fear, cowardice or because they are sadists themselves. Only a few stood against him, but they were largely powerless to change the status quo. Now a newcomer has arrived who has not just stood up to the bully, but given him a black eye. The bully knows he can't take on this newcomer in a fair fight, so he calls on his followers to denounce the newcomer and banish him. Slowly but surely however, more and more of the bully's "allies" are starting to figure out that the bully is scared and weak, and will not defend them should the newcomer also take aim at them over their immoral and spineless behavior. One by one, they begin to rethink their positions.

    This simplified explanation of world affairs is not too far off the mark, considering that Putin, according to a former classmate of his, stood up against bullies in the schoolyard. To this day, he is simply acting on his nature.


    https://www.sott.net/article/475658-...the-Transition

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    Is there any credence to the very recent claims by US and Ukranian (who else?) 'sources' that he has cancer?

    E.g. here:

    "Vladimir Putin is terminally ill with cancer and will die very soon, Ukraine's military intelligence head has claimed." - Daily Mail

    I think it is propaganda or could there sth be true?

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    Quote Posted by Open Minded Dude (here)
    Is there any credence to the very recent claims by US and Ukranian (who else?) 'sources' that he has cancer?

    E.g. here:

    "Vladimir Putin is terminally ill with cancer and will die very soon, Ukraine's military intelligence head has claimed." - Daily Mail

    I think it is propaganda or could there sth be true?
    100% pure invented propaganda nonsense. They've been saying this since 25 February last year.

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    Is every mind connected to form a peer to peer network that creates the illusion of a shared reality, making the appearance of material reality a simulation created through shared beliefs?

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    Actually, David Icke might for once be wrong here

    I can't access the Telegram account from work; who is the 'top' political scientist being quoted here? The source? (Smells a little like black propaganda being circulated.) Just a hunch.

    Nobody is pure as the driven snow of course and that would apply to VP too but there are factions at play opposed to him, as well as those that support him.
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Actually, David Icke might for once be wrong here

    I can't access the Telegram account from work; who is the 'top' political scientist being quoted here? The source?
    According to the article, it's Professor Grigory Yudin.

    The page simply says:

    ~~~
    Vladimir Putin is set on a ‘big war’ with NATO to try and bring back the Iron Curtain, a Russian expert has warned, as it is revealed Russia is planning a ‘new pre-emptive strike’ in Ukraine.

    Moscow is said to be preparing for a new offensive ahead of the first anniversary of their invasion on February 24, and satellite photos show Putin’s forces building up fortifications.

    Putin aims to start by swallowing both Ukraine and Moldova, then subjugate eastern Europe restoring an Cold War-style Iron Curtain across the continent, according to Professor Grigory Yudin.

    He sees ‘the entire eastern Europe’ as his ‘fiefdom’, the professor told YouTube show CivilNet in a chilling forecast.

    Read more: Vladimir Putin is set on ‘big war’ with Nato to bring back the Iron Curtain says top Russian political scientist as Ukraine warns Russia will launch new pre-emptive strike by February 24
    ~~~

    (But the 'Read more' final paragraph doesn't feature a link to click.)

    The article seems to be based on simultaneous reports from The Daily Mirror, The Daily Star, and The Daily Mail, all of which have near-identical headlines.

    Yes, David should know better, and he's quite wrong here.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    Actually, David Icke might for once be wrong here

    I can't access the Telegram account from work; who is the 'top' political scientist being quoted here? The source?
    According to the article, it's Professor Grigory Yudin.

    The page simply says:

    ~~~
    Vladimir Putin is set on a ‘big war’ with NATO to try and bring back the Iron Curtain, a Russian expert has warned, as it is revealed Russia is planning a ‘new pre-emptive strike’ in Ukraine.

    Moscow is said to be preparing for a new offensive ahead of the first anniversary of their invasion on February 24, and satellite photos show Putin’s forces building up fortifications.

    Putin aims to start by swallowing both Ukraine and Moldova, then subjugate eastern Europe restoring an Cold War-style Iron Curtain across the continent, according to Professor Grigory Yudin.

    He sees ‘the entire eastern Europe’ as his ‘fiefdom’, the professor told YouTube show CivilNet in a chilling forecast.

    Read more: Vladimir Putin is set on ‘big war’ with Nato to bring back the Iron Curtain says top Russian political scientist as Ukraine warns Russia will launch new pre-emptive strike by February 24
    ~~~

    (But the 'Read more' final paragraph doesn't feature a link to click.)

    The article seems to be based on simultaneous reports from The Daily Mirror, The Daily Star, and The Daily Mail, all of which have near-identical headlines.

    Yes, David should know better, and he's quite wrong here.
    Thanks (wry smile - it's blatant transparent propaganda as usual)
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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Here's a very large documentary about him that's in 4 parts, 1 hour a piece. You have to be logged in to a youtube account to view it:
    For anyone who doesn't have a yt account or simply hates to log onto yt use this:

    https://piped.video/

    paste the yt video url on the search bar of piped.video website, it bypasses yt blocks.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    David should know better, and he's quite wrong here.
    David refers to Yudin, and Yudin may or may not be right/wrong.
    MSM is a mixture of truth and lies and time will show the true face of the botoxed man in Kremlin.



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    Direct Link to Live Address Putin to Nation (English Translated).

    21 Feb 2022


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    Quote Posted by 9ideon (here)
    Direct Link to Live Address Putin to Nation (English Translated).

    21 Feb 2022

    I can't yet see an official transcript on https://em.kremlin.ru, but here are some ongoing real-time bulletpoint summaries posted on Telegram as the speech was progressing:

    This is NOT any kind of formal transcript, just a few unofficial summarized extracts from the long speech.

    ~~~
    A year ago to protect our people on historical lands. To eliminate the neo-Nazi regime of the established regime in Ukraine, a decision was made on the SMO. Step by step we will carefully and consistently solve the tasks set before us.

    Russia did everything possible to solve the problem in Ukraine by peaceful means. But the statements of Western leaders turned into a forgery and a lie.

    The promises and statements of Western rulers turned into forgery and cruel lies. The West supplied weapons, trained the nationalist battalions. Even before the start of the SMO, negotiations were underway on the supply of air defense systems and aircraft. We remember Kyiv's attempts to obtain nuclear weapons.

    The United States deployed bases and biological laboratories near our borders, mastered the theater of military operations, prepared Ukraine for a big war.

    While Donbass was on fire and blood was shed, and Russia was sincerely striving for a peaceful solution, the West was playing on people's lives, playing with "marked cards". They behaved the same way, destroying Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. The concept of honor and decency is not for them.

    We firmly defend not only our interests, but also the position that there should be no division into "civilized" countries and the rest. We were sincerely ready for a constructive dialogue.

    In response, we received an indistinct, hypocritical reaction. NATO expanded to our borders, new missile defense position areas were created.

    We received a refusal on all fundamental positions. It became clear that the go-ahead for the implementation of aggression had been given. The threat grew every day. By February 2022, everything was ready for the next punitive action of Kiev in the Donbass.

    Kyiv's actions completely contradicted UN resolutions. It was THEY who started the war. And we used force to stop it.

    Kyiv's next goal was to strike at Crimea and Sevastopol. Now Kyiv is openly talking about it. They revealed what we already knew so well

    We are defending our home, and the goal of the West is unlimited power. they have already spent more than $150 billion on arming Kyiv.

    They spare no expense to encourage unrest and coups around the world. At a conference in Munich, Russia was blamed so that everyone would forget what the West had done in recent decades. Entire regions are in chaos. American experts say that as a result of the wars unleashed by the United States after 2001, more than 900 thousand people died, more than 38 million became refugees.

    In the 1930s, the West opened the way to power in Germany for the Nazis, today they are making "anti-Russia" out of Ukraine, this project goes back to the 19th century, Austria-Hungary, Poland nurtured it to tear off historical territories from our country.

    Recently, one of the brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was given the name "Edelweiss" as a Nazi division that participated in the deportation of Jews, executions of prisoners of war, and punitive operations. SS chevrons are very popular in Ukraine. Wehrmacht marks are applied to the equipment.

    The West doesn't give a damn who to bet on in the fight against us. The main thing is that they fight with our country, fulfill their will, serve as a weapon against Russia.

    We are not at war with the people of Ukraine, they themselves are a hostage of the Kiev regime and its Western masters, who occupied this country, destroyed its industry and robbed its wealth.

    The responsibility for the escalation of the conflict lies entirely with the Western elites and the Kiev regime, for which the Ukrainian people are a stranger.

    The more long-range Western systems will come to Ukraine, the further we will be forced to move the threat away from our borders.

    The goal of the West is to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, to end us once and for all. We will respond accordingly, because we are talking about the existence of our country.

    More and more aggressive information attacks are being carried out against us. The main target is the younger generations.

    Russia cannot be defeated on the battlefield.

    Family is the union of a man and a woman. So say the sacred books of all world religions. But the West is also trying to revise these sacred texts.

    The West will try to undermine and split our society. they relies on national traitors who exude the poison of contempt for their Fatherland. It has always been so.

    Who has embarked on the path of direct betrayal, commits terrorist and other crimes, will be held accountable under the law. But we will not "hunt for witches", settle scores with those who have abandoned their homeland. They have to live with it.

    We are all proud that our people have taken a principled position in relation to the SMO, understood the meaning of actions, supported our actions. This support showed real patriotism, a feeling that is historically inherent in our people.

    I want to thank all the people of Russia for their courage and determination, to say thank you to our heroes - soldiers and officers of the army and navy, employees of the National Guard, special services, patriots, volunteers.

    Special words to the residents of the DPR and LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. You yourself have determined your future, made a firm choice.

    We have started and will continue to build up a large-scale program for the restoration and development of new subjects of the federation. To revive enterprises and jobs, the ports of the Sea of Azov, which has become the inland sea of Russia.

    Our duty is to support families who have lost relatives, loved ones. Help them raise their children, raise them, educate them. The family of each member of the SMO should be surrounded by care and honor.

    I propose to create a special state fund for targeted, personal assistance to the families of the dead soldiers and veterans of the SMO.

    Today both military personnel, and mobilized, and volunteers endure the hardships of the front together. Not all issues of supply and monetary allowance have been resolved.

    For all participants of the SMO, incl. volunteer, you need to establish a regular vacation of at least 14 days at least once every six months, excluding travel time.

    Officers and sergeants who have shown themselves to be competent, modern and decisive commanders will be promoted to higher positions on a priority basis, sent to academies.

    The task is to launch mass production of the latest weapons. This work is underway, its pace is increasing.

    Both experienced and young specialists work at our factories, in the design bureau, aimed at a breakthrough, true to the traditions of Russian gunsmiths - to do everything for victory.

    I propose to launch a special program of preferential rental housing for defense industry workers. A significant part of the payment for housing will be covered by the state.

    The West has deployed not only a military, informational, but also an economic front. Nothing has been achieved and never will be.

    The initiators of the sanctions provoked price increases, job losses, business closures, and an energy crisis in their own countries.

    The West tried to collapse the ruble, provoke inflation, steal reserves, break production chains. The goal of the West is to make our citizens suffer and destabilize society from within. The calculation was not justified.

    The share of the Russian ruble in international settlements doubled compared to December 2021 and amounted to 1/3, and with the currencies of friendly countries - more than half.

    Defense is the highest priority, but we must not destroy our own economy. We have everything to ensure security and create conditions for the sustainable development of the country.

    Changes in the structure of the economy are a vital necessity. We know what is necessary for the sovereign and confident development of Russia.

    The banking sector has stood the test, turning a profit, inflation is under control.

    The banking sector has withstood the attack and looks like it will win. Let us all endure and win!

    It is necessary to strengthen the deoffshorization of the economy, business must operate in Russian jurisdiction.

    We remember what problems the late Soviet economy faced. The Russian economy was created on a market basis. However, in the end, our economy became oriented towards the West, as business was aimed at selling resources and making quick profits. It took years to break this trend, and we have achieved visible change.

    The image of the West as a safe haven turned out to be fake. Those who considered Russia only as a source of income have lost a lot. In the West they were simply robbed.

    None of the ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation regretted those who lost their accounts in foreign banks, lost their yachts. People remember both the privatization of the 90s and demonstrative luxury.

    Those who grew up in the Donbass and Novorossia and fought for them should become the main pillar in the development of these regions.

    In early February, a NATO statement was made with the actual demand for Moscow to "return to the implementation of the strategic offensive arms treaty", including the admission of inspections to our facilities. We know that the West is involved in Kyiv's attempts to strike at our strategic aviation bases. Now they still want to inspect our defense installations? This sounds like bullshit.

    The United States and NATO openly say that their goal is to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, and at the same time they are going to drive around our facilities? I have signed a decree on putting new ground-based strategic systems on combat duty. Are we going to let them in there?

    A week ago, I signed a decree on putting the latest ground-based missile systems on combat duty.

    Russia suspends its participation in the strategic offensive arms treaty.

    Russia is ready to resume nuclear weapons testing (if the US goes for similar tests)

    Ministry of Defense and Rosatom must ensure readiness for testing Russian nuclear weapons.

    Russia will respond to any challenges, because we are all one country, one united people, we are confident in our abilities, the truth is behind us.

    Putin ended his message to the Federal Assembly with the words: "The truth is behind us."

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    And a different summary from a different channel:


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    Quote Posted by artamis (here)
    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Here's a very large documentary about him that's in 4 parts, 1 hour a piece. You have to be logged in to a youtube account to view it:
    For anyone who doesn't have a yt account or simply hates to log onto yt use this:

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    paste the yt video url on the search bar of piped.video website, it bypasses yt blocks.
    Or go to the Avalon Library, and save a whole bunch of time

    The Putin Interviews >>> here

    They're also zipped: https://avalonlibrary.net/The_Putin_...%282017%29.zip
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    Video Summary of Putin's Address.


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    Scott Ritter talking to Jackson Hinkle about how Putin may be remembered — an interesting 10 minutes.


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    Jackson Hinkle via Twitter

    For those that may have trouble viewing this, this is a 55 second long split-screen video I think from RT comparing the respective leaders of the two most powerful nuclear states in the world. Absent age difference considerations, well, it pretty much is a slam dunk....in answering the question, "Who would you rather have leading your country: Putin or Biden?"



    Source: https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/s...37974595878912

    ....and this from the same thread

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    This horse riding reminded me of another great leader

    Is every mind connected to form a peer to peer network that creates the illusion of a shared reality, making the appearance of material reality a simulation created through shared beliefs?

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