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  • I believe in god that had a human form.

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    (Human) Logic vs. Faith

    Looking at the state of the world today, both look to be circling the drain together.

    At least they have each other to blame.

    Intersect of both: The Bird is the Word

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    (Human) Logic vs. Faith

    Looking at the state of the world today, both look to be circling the drain together.

    At least they have each other to blame.

    Intersect of both: The Birth is the Word

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    But replying to your response to my post; everything is up for interpretation/opinion when it comes to God.

    It is your opinion that God allows people to become evil, rather than creating evil people to begin with.

    Either way, would you not agree that for the sake of all the millions/billions of people on this planet,
    their lives would be so much more fulfilling if God did not create/allow evil people to exist?

    This is just one of the many problems I have with an all-powerful God.
    This all-powerful God supposedly has the power to do anything, and I mean literally anything.

    Why cause pain/suffering/grief amongst untold numbers of the population when it doesn't have to be that way?

    I've heard all the reasons/excuses for this, but none of them have been convincing.
    The knowledge of good and evil was our ancestors choice too. What worries me is that a great part of people are focused more on why the rules are set in that way and do not focus on why a huge part of people choose evil as their primary choice. Do they think that their actions will go unseen and will not have any consequences?

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    If the question was:

    Do you believe God is an entity or somehow has a resemblance or similitude to what we call "personality"? Then does God is 'someone'? or lives inside or outside its creation?

    Aren't some of the options on the poll a bit like that?
    1. I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.
    2. I believe in many gods.
    3. I believe in god that had a human form.
    4. I believe in spirituality only.
    5. I still have to clear up my concept of God.
    6. I don't believe in existence of God.

    Points 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not necessarily excluding of each other, you can believe there are many gods and that they had human form. And how believing in spirituality only contradicts the existence of a God? Spirituality would exist inside the creation of that God, so is not against its existence?
    Believing in God doesn't exclude spirituality, but I specified believing in spirituality "only". Also believing in god that was human, it contradicts the concept of God as prime Creator because it limits to the perspective of humans only, the concept of a god that was born and died on this planet, a perception of god that eat, drinks, sleep and more... that doesn't represent the true Creator (but that is another discussion). Also believing in many gods is different from believing in one Supreme God, because they perceive every god to have equal powers in different ways and that contradicts the concept of one Almighty God.
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    If the question was:

    Do you believe God is an entity or somehow has a resemblance or similitude to what we call "personality"? Then does God is 'someone'? or lives inside or outside its creation?

    Aren't some of the options on the poll a bit like that?
    1. I believe that God is the prime Creator of everything.
    2. I believe in many gods.
    3. I believe in god that had a human form.
    4. I believe in spirituality only.
    5. I still have to clear up my concept of God.
    6. I don't believe in existence of God.

    Points 1, 2, 3 and 4 and not necessarily excluding of each other, you can believe there are many gods and that they had human form. And how believing in spirituality only contradicts the existence of a God? Spirituality would exist inside the creation of that God, so is not against its existence?
    Believing in God doesn't exclude spirituality, but I specified believing in spirituality "only". Also believing in god that was human, it contradicts the concept of God as prime Creator because it limits to the perspective of humans only, the concept of a god that was born and died on this planet, a perception of god that eat, drinks, sleep and more... that doesn't represent the true Creator (but that is another discussion). Also believing in many gods is different from believing in one Supreme God, because they perceive every god to have equal powers in different ways and that contradicts the concept of one Almighty God.

    This is a very specific view, an almost "catholic" or "orthodox" one, right?

    See these rocks here?


    How are those different than these rocks over here?


    Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one? Do you think God cares if you believe in him or not?

    Is that a path to "God is only God if at least one person beliefs in God?"

    There was a structure of Angels below God, right? It means a structure of power, humans are way down in that tree or list. An Angel, for simple humans, may look like a God.. What could they possibly know? Is there a dictionary of Angels vs Gods and what makes them different, from the human perspective?
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    Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one?
    Religion is totally a misunderstood word. When religion is mentioned, many think of churches or mosques, of religious leaders and how they used the faith for political means and also for massive influences.

    I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices. I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.

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    If you look up to the sky, everything always looks like freedom and it's beautiful, from your lower point of view

    Those who reside above, look down and wish they could live "the simple life" just like you

    What does that leads to?
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    Does 'God' follow a religion, or has a favorite one?
    Religion is totally a misunderstood word. When religion is mentioned, many think of churches or mosques, of religious leaders and how they used the faith for political means and also for massive influences.

    I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices. I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.
    God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that

    God did not hoped, wish or cared for a book or manual, even Jesus on the bible is quoted as saying that several times, but totally misquoted and then completely perverted into becoming the very same thing he rejected, by his own words lol. Human perversion at his best

    There can't be an open concept of God if you already think God gave guidance at all, because then it implies he had an idea on where/how the human race would go to, and that, by the same reasoning, implies there is no free will

    "You are free to do whatever you want, but you must do whatever you want as long as it is one of these two choices, and that's final"

    If you are the creator of something, and you wish for free will, then you don't touch or interfere at all. It looks like God could not resist touching and meddling all over the place over the years, based on what the Bible says

    What's the reasoning behind that? He's all over the place, and threatining that if you don't follow his rules you die or spend life in hell, so what does it mean "free will"? then? Free to chose hell?
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    By the way i'm not trying to make you doubt, i'm just trying to make you doubt, obviously. FUD is a good state to be in this kind of thing, unlike more human like scenarios, right?
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    God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that
    I will mention just one thing out of many. It is mentioned many times in Scriptures, to not charge the interest when lending money, because it's evil as a way. It seem a simple thing but look how huge that problem became. Many countries or all of them are slaves of debt and still increasing. A failed economic system only because of one simple action that turned out to be catastrophic over the course of time.
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    God did not write or directed anyone to write any scriptures That's a human creation based on the wish of forming a view of an inner feeling or set of ideals they wished to form into an ideology of sorts, then religion was born out of that
    I will mention just one thing out of many. It is mentioned many times in Scriptures, to not charge the interest when lending money, because it's evil as a way. It seem a simple thing but look how huge that problem became. Many countries or all of them are slaves of debt and still increasing. A failed economic system only because of one simple action that turned out to be catastrophic over the course of time.
    Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

    Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

    "It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

    Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"

    A variable truth equals to: Truth is a variable
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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)

    Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

    Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

    "It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

    Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"
    Life experiences can prove many of those words.

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    Have you considered this: You can't prove the scriptures right, by quoting the same scriptures?

    Where is your point of reference? Or your source of truth? If you self-reference?

    "It's true because i think it's true, based on what i understand to be true"

    Everything that follows after that is questionable, if you can't explain why/how it came to be without quoting that same "source of truth"
    Life experiences can prove many of those words.
    Life experiences and the fear of not aligning/complying is what lead to those words being written, and not the other way around

    No one wants to be burned at the stake

    Sequence of events is more important and consequential than a limited human life span, how many of those people who "confirmed" that witches had to ask forgiveness from the lord in the after life were right?

    That's just meaningless. Anyone can say anything and then books are rewritten like the Bible has been some times already. Life experience says "no one can't say how i experienced this on my own" and not "i will experience this in that way because that's how it says i must experience it, and if not i am not a believer"

    It breaks easily if there's no good/strong foundation
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    At this point, you are not saying anymore anything about "God", but you are instead defending religion. Just in case you have not noticed yet, see?

    This is why we fallen angels exist
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    i believe that man created god in his own image...to control the masses through brainwashing...cunning confidence tricksters...
    just my perception, unimportant in the scheme of things

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    I think religion as a guidance from God for our way of life and Scriptures as a manual to understand this reality and to make the right choices.
    It is not, Religion is a tool of control and the Scriptures you talk about are a very specific culture associated thing, it means nothing to people who are not indoctrinated or brainwashed into it. No one is equal in the eyes of that God that says "my way or the hell highway". It's just a tool of control

    Quote I have concluded that the Quran is the last uncorrupted Scripture, but that opens up to a greater discussion of me promoting a religion or only one group and that's not my intention. That's why this thread was about an open concept of God not to focus on details because we will deviate from the most important part.
    As long as you consider any book or scripture without corruption, you are going the wrong way, and you're still in the bubble of God meaning a Christian or related one by association

    Let's talk about Indian Gods, or "alternatives" from other places like China or Japan No one cares about them anymore? Or is it because it was not part of your growing up years? Shinto is a great example of how Gods are created and become meaningful through someone's life, looking at it from our point of view in 2022. You should check it up

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    Get immersed into Shinto for a bit/while, then you should look back into your 'normal' religion and maybe you'll see stuff you did not see before, and then realize something. I don't know

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

    There is a lot of stuff going on in the human soul, and very little of it has to do with perceptions of human like Gods, or egocentric ones. That's just a projections of human weakness and hopes/aspirations
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    i believe that man created god in his own image...to control the masses through brainwashing...cunning confidence tricksters...
    just my perception, unimportant in the scheme of things
    Well it is important if the 'scheme of things' that form what 'life' means around you and people you care about
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