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    Default Re: Water Thread - Wells

    I asked a water witch to spot a well at my first house. He found where two streams crossed and told me how deep each stream was. Later the well driller finished drilling at the spot. He hit water at each stream at the depth predicted.

    Later in another county, a friend asked a different water witch to spot a well. He used a peach tree branch that looked like a Y. I asked the water witch if I could give it a try. After a while I looked in a different location and discovered the peach tree wanting(?) to move and point to the ground. No one was watching me. I asked the water witch to check the general area where I had been. He confirmed the same exact spot. No well was drilled at that spot so no verification. But I was having fun.

    It does not always work. The next time, years later, it did not work using another water witch.
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    Default Re: Water Thread - Wells

    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    It brings me .... kudos for the efficiency.
    Same with our well, palehorse. It was deep and wide enough for one person. I marvel at how they could build it so deep and reinforce the wall with stone like the walls you see in New England.

    I recall one time where my father used a bucket rather than a the hand pump and a frog hitched a ride up.

    Side note: Why were stone walls built in New England?
    The colonists in New England faced an uphill battle in turning the region's vast forests into farmland. They had to fell massive trees and contend with rocks strewn throughout the soil they aimed to plow. So, stone by stone, they stacked the rocks left over from glaciers into waist-high walls.

    I was looking for videos of people building those wells and found a "simple version" of it, but still a lot of hard work.




    Haha, yes sometimes creature come out of the wells, and sometimes they fall in.. my grandfather told me once, one of his chickens fell into the well and it was a very hard time to get it back.

    Very interesting, no doubt it is a huge work.
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    Default Re: Water Thread - Wells

    Could we include the creation of a dew pond in here I wonder?

    Quote Dew Ponds

    Already, the search for remedies to what it is feared will be the direst water shortages in southern England since the summer of 1976 (despite May being unusually wet) has led to discussion in the House of Commons of scenarios that sound like science fiction, including icebergs towed from the Arctic Ocean, and a giant desalination plant on the Essex coast. Yet nothing could be simpler than a dew pond.

    These small ponds can be found scattered across the downs, wherever sheep and cattle traditionally went for summer grazing, in Hampshire, Sussex, the Peak District and Yorkshire. Surviving ponds probably number at least 500 across the country, although they are often overgrown nowadays, their banks badly trampled by livestock, serving as little more than picturesque havens for butterflies or a romantic spot for picnicking ramblers.

    But they still have a magical and highly significant property. ‘People have noticed that they rarely run dry, even in the hottest summer, and it is apparent that, during the night, they receive a supply of water sufficient to counter-balance the great drags that are made upon them by cattle and evaporation,’ notes Edward Martin, in a research paper entitled Dew Ponds: History, Observation and Experiment.

    The great mystery is where the water that fills them up at night can come from. These ponds?also known as ‘mist ponds’ or ‘fog ponds’ lie on the downs far above the level at which streams begin to form, nor does any piped-water supply reach them. The name ‘dew pond’ is the clue. According to folklore, it is the overnight dew itself, falling on the round-backed downs and on the ponds themselves, that keeps them full, whatever the weather.

    If that really is the case, then surely water companies and the government should be thinking not only of mega-projects such as a national water grid to bring down water from Scotland, but also of encouraging farmers in suitable areas to harvest the dew with new ponds. Dew ponds could even be something that a house owner, with a big enough garden and on high enough land, might see as a fashionable eco-friendly accessory to match his heat-exchanging borehole or roof-top windmill. Far better, after all, than relying on standpipes.

    To create a dew pond is relatively simple. According to Jackson House, a Somerset-based pond builder with 50 years’ experience in the business, ‘the secret of making one is to insulate it so that the water remains colder than the earth beneath. That means that when the dew is falling, it hits the cold surface of the pond and drops its own moisture. In the old days, people used to put down layers of straw and layers of clay in the bottom, which worked the same as a thermos flask’. He estimates the cost of digging a typical 10yd by 10yd dew pond, and of lining it with a tough waterproof layer laid over an insulating geo-textile blanket, would work out at no more than £12,000.

    Of course, it was a more romantic and much tougher task back at the turn of the century when the last specialist gangs were creating them by hand in the age-old way, as this description in the Wiltshire Gazette of December 29, 1922, goes to show: ‘Up to ten years ago, the dew pond makers started upon their work in September, and they toured the country for a period of six or seven months, making in sequence from six to fifteen ponds in a season of winter and spring.

    The dewpond maker, with three assistants, would require about four weeks to make a pond 22sq yd. The work commenced by the removal of the soil to the depth of eight feet. The laying of the floor is then proceeded with from the centre, called the crown, four or five yards in circumference, and to this each day a width of about two yards is added.

    ‘Only so much work is undertaken in one day as can be finished at night, and this must be covered over with straw. No layering may be done in frosty or inclement weather. And this is the method of construction: 70 cart loads of clay are scattered over the area. The clay is thoroughly puddled, trodden and beaten in flat with beaters, a coat of lime is spread, slaked, and rightly beaten until the surface is as smooth as a table, and it shines like glass.’

    Descriptions follow of yet more stages of laborious hammering of the ground, and wetting it, then coating it with further layers of lime, straw and earth. The cost of this Herculean labour was a meagre £40, the wages of three men included. ‘There are ponds in good condition now which were made 36 years ago, and which have never been known to fail to yield an adequate supply of water even in this year of drought,’ concluded the Gazette’s correspondent.

    One man who is currently on a quest to resolve the abiding mystery of dew ponds is Martin Snow, an IT consultant based in Worthing. In his spare time, he marches around the hills from East Sussex to Beachy Head as part of a university study, and the very first task he set himself was to locate remaining dew ponds.

    ‘It is becoming like a treasure hunt,’ says an eager Mr Snow. ‘Occasionally you get a hint of a pond, then go back to the maps, and find, on different editions, that they appear or disappear.’ By his calculation, there are as many as 100 to 200 in West Sussex alone, some of which may have begun as watering holes dug by Neolithic man for his livestock.

    He goes on to point out that dew ponds were strategically positioned to make the most of mist and of rainclouds billowing up from the nearby coast to the chilly heights of the downs, where any water that collects is less likely to evaporate. ‘Effectively you are often in the cloud up here, and, if it is chilled enough, it will condense. Some people say an overhanging tree will help a pond a lot and I can believe that because, if you go out walking when the mist on the downs is extremely thick, you will find trees dripping with moisture.’

    So it seems that dew ponds are indeed fed by dew and are truly droughtproof. ‘It seems magical, but when you start looking at the numbers, it starts to make sense. Dew ponds work,’ he concludes.
    It seems there were various different ideas about best materials to use as per this example.



    A discussion on Dew Ponds from 1934 via letters to The Times

    It would be a major project to undertake manually and prohibitively expensive mechanically unless you own your own little digger perhaps.

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    Default Re: Water Thread - Wells

    Backup retrieval of water from your well without a pump.

    DIY Water Tube (a.k.a. bailer bucket, water tube)

    The water tube is used to retrieve water from a deep well when electricity is not available to operate the well pump.

    The water tube is a five foot length of two inch diameter PVC schedule 40 pipe with a fabricated check valve at the bottom. Capacity is approximately ¾ gallon.

    Disassembly of the water tube for internal cleaning is easy when assembled using screws, not glue.

    Fabricating the check valve:

    PVC reducer bushing, 2 inch to ¾ inch (quantity 1). (Lowes Item #22909 Model #437249RMC)
    Cut a circle from 1/16 inch sheet rubber (from a bicycle tube or Lowes Item #31446 Model #PP25546). Make sure this flapper can fit inside the reducer bushing without binding.

    Secure the flapper to the reducer bushing with one #6 x ½ inch stainless steel sheet metal screw. (Lowes Item #329042 Model #127004)

    Tube assembly

    PVC cap, 2 inch (quantity 1) at top. Used to keep bugs and dirt out during storage. Remove before use.
    (Lowes Item #23900 Model #L447-020)

    PVC 2 inch diameter pipe, 5 ft long (cut 10 ft in half). (Lowes Item #23830 Model #PVC 07112 0600)

    Bolt, stainless steel, ¼ x 20, 3 inches long (quantity 1). Used to attach your rope to top of water tube.
    (Lowes Item #396459 Model #831527)

    Stainless steel ¼ x 20 hex nut (quantity 1). Used to secure bolt in top of tube.
    (Lowes Item #114172 Model #829720)

    Use a PVC 2 inch slip coupling (Lowes Item #23902 Model #429020RMC) to connect the tube to the check valve. Drill a pilot hole in the top and bottom of the coupling. While the pilot holes remain aligned, install a #6 x ½ inch screw.
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