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    Default The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    I have been seeing comments lately in relation to Mainstream and Lemmings, very insulting to these nice little feckers, please read on.




    The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder


    Lemmings do not commit mass suicide, Disney, at the time that documentary was being made, manipulated the falling to its deaths of those Lemmings for Dramatic(!) purposes!

    Quote In 1958 Walt Disney produced "White Wilderness," part of the studio's "True Life Adventure" series. "White Wilderness" featured a segment on lemmings, detailing their strange compulsion to commit mass suicide.

    According to a 1983 investigation by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation producer Brian Vallee, the lemming scenes were faked. The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. The epic "lemming migration" was staged using careful editing, tight camera angles and a few dozen lemmings running on snow covered lazy-Susan style turntable.

    Source (Us govt Site)

    Read the full article for more insightful information on these great animals.

    So, please People, stop insulting Lemmings by aligning them with idiots, like us, they're victims of Sociopaths.
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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    Thanks for the above 9ideon!

    It just shows how easy it is to get people on a "wrong track".
    A very good example of mass-mind-manipulation (MMM) actually!

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    Lemmings being "degraded" by Disney was one thing.

    From Part 4 of "the pyramid power" we can learn that the opposite can happen as well.

    “The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize they’re being propagandized.”

    Other historic examples of propaganda in film include the John Wayne film The Green Berets. The film was made after Wayne personally requested U.S. President Lyndon Johnson help him make a propaganda film about the Vietnam war. The Pentagon not only provided access to equipment and military bases, but they also retained final script approval. Most disturbing is the fact that the film depicted the North Vietnamese committing violent atrocities which in reality were committed by American soldiers. This is yet another example of the U.S. government and Hollywood shaping reality for the ignorant mass consumer.

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Thanks for the above 9ideon!

    It just shows how easy it is to get people on a "wrong track".
    A very good example of mass-mind-manipulation (MMM) actually!
    Exactly, it has been irritating me since I found some comment on this ages ago, looking into it angered me enormously, a company relying on the manipulation of Children with cozy animals, killing them off for dramatic purposes in real life, disgusting.

    Making People aware of little lies like these are also exactly a way to unravel, or at least try, small lies we are being fed by certain elements, our entire system is set up for the advance of Socio and Psychopaths.

    As off a young age we're being manipulated into accepting Sociopath behavior and as a result we do accept those "People" progressing to positions of leadership and trust.

    If you want to belong, from young this is, you need to wear the same clothes, buy the same type of shoes, have similar types of haircuts, follow trends, behave in a certain way bit more importantly, think a certain way and no one in their right minds is really happy about being pushed into a corner and not being able to be themselves, you try, well.. you'll be ridiculed and set "straight", People get mental issues because of this.

    For Sociopaths however this system is a godsent, they excel inside it. We do not really see any harm in it because we are manipulated from birth into accepting a penny will never become a dollar (even they make you believe you can, another topic), some nonsense like that.

    When you approach People with the above part of them being manipulated on a grand scale, they'll run for the hills, immediately you're some nutcase and conspiracy idiot.

    The only way to start breaking down this mind-feck is to use small things they can verify themselves pretty easy, you do this on a daily bases, People will start becoming curious about a lot of other stuff too, small and verifiable stuff is what will open their eyes.

    This is of course my personal opinion, I have no idea how others think about these things.
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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    So glad to know that cute little Norwegian lemmings are living their full lifespans!

    The one upsetting thing is that we lost a great metaphor. One would really like to compare homo not-so-sapients rushing to get their next vax, and then their booster, and then the next one, to suicidal lemmings tumbling off a cliff. Maybe humans getting their booster shots is the new metaphor to describe an entire species committing mass suicide.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    So glad to know that cute little Norwegian lemmings are living their full lifespans!

    The one upsetting thing is that we lost a great metaphor. One would really like to compare homo not-so-sapients rushing to get their next vax, and then their booster, and then the next one, to suicidal lemmings tumbling off a cliff. Maybe humans getting their booster shots is the new metaphor to describe an entire species committing mass suicide.
    Here the metaphor is used for free thinkers.




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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Here the metaphor is used for free thinkers.

    That could also be a Disney movie too. It's basically the pictured painted by their ABC affiliates. Except the "My Body My Choice" meme has been reassigned back to the abortion debate memes department.

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    Quote Posted by 9ideon (here)
    I have been seeing comments lately in relation to Mainstream and Lemmings, very insulting to these nice little feckers, please read on.




    The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder


    Lemmings do not commit mass suicide, Disney, at the time that documentary was being made, manipulated the falling to its deaths of those Lemmings for Dramatic(!) purposes!

    Quote In 1958 Walt Disney produced "White Wilderness," part of the studio's "True Life Adventure" series. "White Wilderness" featured a segment on lemmings, detailing their strange compulsion to commit mass suicide.

    According to a 1983 investigation by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation producer Brian Vallee, the lemming scenes were faked. The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. The epic "lemming migration" was staged using careful editing, tight camera angles and a few dozen lemmings running on snow covered lazy-Susan style turntable.

    Source (Us govt Site)

    Read the full article for more insightful information on these great animals.

    So, please People, stop insulting Lemmings by aligning them with idiots, like us, they're victims of Sociopaths.



    Thank you for that little gem. I always thought it strange that an animal species would go and do that. Stupidity of that sort is usually reserved for humans. I've always credited nature with far more intelligence. Another nail in the coffin, then for the Disney.

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    [QUOTE=9ideon;1508562]
    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    Thanks for the above 9ideon!

    . The only way to start breaking down this mind-feck is to use small things they can verify themselves pretty easy, you do this on a daily bases, People will start becoming curious about a lot of other stuff too, small and verifiable stuff is what will open their eyes.

    This is of course my personal opinion, I have no idea how others think about these things.


    Agreed - the smallest little domino, when pushed, has the ability to bring down the much bigger lies...

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    Default Re: The Lemming Suicide Hoax and How Disney Got Away with Murder

    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Here the metaphor is used for free thinkers.

    That could also be a Disney movie too. It's basically the pictured painted by their ABC affiliates. Except the "My Body My Choice" meme has been reassigned back to the abortion debate memes department.
    To be a proper Disney Movie you would need to put some Trans people and pregnant males in the front lines of the Lemming Drop. Can't leave out the LGBTQrstuvwxyz folks.

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    Poor little babies... I always felt DZisney was nothing more than a tool for mass buying campaigns, mass programming to be nothing more than consumers for products, needing "Things" to feel "Beautiful" or "Worthy" sadly...

    Even more sad is that my granddaughter wanted nothing more to be a princess, complete with gown at every chance she gets at her young age... i hope to gag her with materialism until she realizes it doesn't give her true happiness, and also teach her the values of self worth along the way... Until she realizes it is all nonsense...

    Sadly the masses aren't all so lucky as to have others who know better, wanting to teach them it is all nonsense.

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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Poor little babies... I always felt DZisney was nothing more than a tool for mass buying campaigns, mass programming to be nothing more than consumers for products, needing "Things" to feel "Beautiful" or "Worthy" sadly...

    Even more sad is that my granddaughter wanted nothing more to be a princess, complete with gown at every chance she gets at her young age... i hope to gag her with materialism until she realizes it doesn't give her true happiness, and also teach her the values of self worth along the way... Until she realizes it is all nonsense...

    Sadly the masses aren't all so lucky as to have others who know better, wanting to teach them it is all nonsense.
    I have to admit that it depresses me to think that when the likes of me/you are gone, future kids will have no 'elder tribal wisdom' to offer them another perception. That's probably one of the reasons why the ptb want rid of us...now

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    Perhaps starting a thread about the things we should be sharing with the youth in the future, would be a very wise idea?

    I have always thought that writing a book for future generations, would be a great idea... Teaching what I have learned after living 50+ years, giving them a boost in that they can learn those things much earlier, if they choose to read what was shared, and take it on as truly useful life information...

    I am sure the members here have a TON of knowledge and personal wisdoms that could be shared in an effort to support the youth of the next many generations.

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    Quote Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
    Perhaps starting a thread about the things we should be sharing with the youth in the future, would be a very wise idea?

    I have always thought that writing a book for future generations, would be a great idea... Teaching what I have learned after living 50+ years, giving them a boost in that they can learn those things much earlier, if they choose to read what was shared, and take it on as truly useful life information...

    I am sure the members here have a TON of knowledge and personal wisdoms that could be shared in an effort to support the youth of the next many generations.

    For starters, I'd teach them how to grow their own food - to show them exactly where it comes from. How to forage for it too, and how to treat ailments with the multitude of plants (weeds!) that are found everywhere. I'd instil in them a robust sense of self-reliance and most importantly, their self worth.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    ...The one upsetting thing is that we lost a great metaphor. ...
    "Like lemmings" will be around for a while, but the origin of strange phrases is a compelling subject, they stick around too ...lol

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