Jason Reza Jorjani and his philosophical concepts and Prometheism

[DNA]

Posted by Vicus (here)
Thinking loud...

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."

Until that mark was all perfect, BUT after that mark he lost me...

From the video beginning,he explain everybody Ancient History where all the "gods" from every civilization are the same entity's under different names Enlil,Zeus,Jhawe and so on...and the same game is been playing right NOW! with so called "Aliens" or whatever you wanna called...

Well, if he knows that the "god" from Israhell is so phony and that the "official" posture from this fake country is based on messianic "plans" for them and the rest of the world ...then WHAT!!!...

I would like to see a video confronting this man with Cliff Heigh, knowing what onkel Cliff think about "the Elohim"...and the Gnostic's references, that Jorjani don't mention at all, EVER! ...

I do not know enough about Jorjani to play defendant but...
In the longer 4 hour video I quoted just before this post.
Jorjani being from Iranian heritage talks at length about his attempts to free Iran from their current regime. He was attempting a coup from within the country and willing to die in that country for his convictions.
In this telling I was surprised to hear that he had the political clout to contact Israel and ask them to stand down while this was taking place. A pretty big deal.
I was exceptionally impressed.

He also goes on to explain how the US and or affiliated parties are much more interested in the destruction and plunder of Iran as opposed to a organic regime change peacefully transitioning Iran to a more secular modern Democracy without religious leadership as a figure head.

He also mentions intelligence agencies of the US and UK conspiring against him and using the media to cancel him.

He certainly never expressed any anti-palestinian sentiment.

Again, I'm really new to this appreciation.
But I think the age old adage don't throw the baby out with the bath water applies here.
The man covers a huge range of topics and gives well thought out opinion on them.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Vicus (here)

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."

I raised my eyebrows at that as well (quite a long way!), but remembered that this video was recorded in the first half of 2023, before the events of 7 October 2023 and the start of the genocide. So it'd be interesting to know his views on all that now.

However, he also several times indicated that he had no love or respect for Russia or China — he was very dismissive of both — and appeared to be in full support of the American way of life and traditional values, as if he wholeheartedly believed America was the sole hope for the future of the world, etc etc etc.

If he really does think that, he's way way wrong.

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Vicus (here)

On mark 2:05:39 from that video Jason Reza Jorjani began to talk about "insurgency"and boast about been a "big supporter of the state of Israel" and "I really can care less about Palestinian..."

I raised my eyebrows at that as well (quite a long way!), but remembered that this video was recorded in the first half of 2023, before the events of 7 October 2023 and the start of the genocide. So it'd be interesting to know his views on all that now.

In his interview from July of this year with Danny Jones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFg1s0QBytg) I do remember him saying that he wished Netanyahu "luck" in his endeavors in Gaza and Lebanon. The remark was slightly off topic, and it seemed like he was trying to go on the record with something here.

However, he also several times indicated that he had no love or respect for Russia or China — he was very dismissive of both — and appeared to be in full support of the American way of life and traditional values, as if he wholeheartedly believed America was the sole hope for the future of the world, etc etc etc.

If he really does think that, he's way way wrong.

Indeed. It is also quite ironic that he has been cancelled by academia at a time when academia is cancelling anyone who is critiquing Zionism or the West's policies towards Russia and China. Perhaps he is making the remarks to say "Hey, I'm on your side" to the powers that be in academia.

Jorjani has quite a mind, but it is hard to take his vision for human civilization seriously if he is unable to see evils of the violent, racist genocidal state of Israel or the dangers of NATO countries whose policies are to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war on behalf of cronyistic, corporatist, psychopathic entities. I also remember him talking about eugenics (alas I don't remember exactly where) as a historical phenomena. His words didn't seem to be "pro" or "anti" eugenics, and he certainly seemed to recognize that most people regarded eugenics as something quite negative, but his words were kind of neutral on the subject and my mind couldn't help asking "I wonder if he is a eugenicist?" So now I am wondering again.

[norman]

Jason is a 50/50 split between genius level neuronal long jumping and a complete idiot, spiritually.

When he thinks he's describing the greatest heights of consciousness and achievement he's actually describing the deepest depths of evil.

The kindest thing I can say about him is that he might be the smartest NPC in the world

He's a novel experience for me. Until I just witnessed it, I'd never imagined seeing the death throws of the intellect, I think I just have.

I know nothing about his background. He comes across to me as someone Satan has thrown out there for a purpose of 'hoovering' back into the intellectual bubble every bit of spiritual awakening humans have so far achieved.

Is that an act of desperation ? . . . . I kinda think it is, but not Jason's. Someone or something very desperate put his path in front of him, he's just walking it.

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping the thread with this new post from Michi on the UFO/UAP thread:

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Here is the follow-up interview with Jason Jorjani: "Nuclear War on Mars, Time Traveling Nazis & The Techno Apocalypse"

So far I have watched it half way thru and it's very compelling. Jorjani goes over detailed info about the moon and mars, the holographic universe and so much more.

It's over 3 hours long - so have chips or popcorn within reach.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N8ishaUps9E

OUTLINE:
00:00 - Satana: the eon of Satan
06:32 - The Collins Elite
10:17 - Disclosure of the devil
14:09 - Steven Greer
17:55 - Ancient megalithic structures on the moon
33:27 - Evidence the moon is hollow
43:33 - Thermonuclear war on Mars
53:39 - Evidence the moon was man-made
57:52 - What Apollo 11 astronauts REALLY saw on the moon
01:13:49 - Stored data is changing the earth's gravity
01:28:49 - Information = dark matter
01:37:24 - The pending information cataclysm
01:47:37 - Morphic resonance & aliens
01:55:42 - The universe is a hologram
02:07:15 - Telepathy & psionic powers
02:18:45 - Stoned ape theory & DMT
02:27:22 - Advanced human race engineering our society
02:37:33 - How Nazis created the U.S. deep state
02:50:59 - 1940s development of flying saucers
02:56:56 - How America funded Nazi Germany
03:04:51 - Atlantis in Antarctica
03:18:35 - What happened to Hitler after WW2
03:23:57 - Whitley Strieber's childhood trauma

[sunwings]

Thanks Bill, I had a download yesterday about the SS and the Dracos but did not know where to turn and then this pops up. This is why this community is so important!

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Bumping the thread with this new post from Michi on the UFO/UAP thread:

~~~

Here is the follow-up interview with Jason Jorjani: "Nuclear War on Mars, Time Traveling Nazis & The Techno Apocalypse"

So far I have watched it half way thru and it's very compelling. Jorjani goes over detailed info about the moon and mars, the holographic universe and so much more.

It's over 3 hours long - so have chips or popcorn within reach.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N8ishaUps9E

OUTLINE:
00:00 - Satana: the eon of Satan
06:32 - The Collins Elite
10:17 - Disclosure of the devil
14:09 - Steven Greer
17:55 - Ancient megalithic structures on the moon
33:27 - Evidence the moon is hollow
43:33 - Thermonuclear war on Mars
53:39 - Evidence the moon was man-made
57:52 - What Apollo 11 astronauts REALLY saw on the moon
01:13:49 - Stored data is changing the earth's gravity
01:28:49 - Information = dark matter
01:37:24 - The pending information cataclysm
01:47:37 - Morphic resonance & aliens
01:55:42 - The universe is a hologram
02:07:15 - Telepathy & psionic powers
02:18:45 - Stoned ape theory & DMT
02:27:22 - Advanced human race engineering our society
02:37:33 - How Nazis created the U.S. deep state
02:50:59 - 1940s development of flying saucers
02:56:56 - How America funded Nazi Germany
03:04:51 - Atlantis in Antarctica
03:18:35 - What happened to Hitler after WW2
03:23:57 - Whitley Strieber's childhood trauma

I don’t know about the popcorn, a pen and paper seem more appropriate. For such a long, detailed presentation, there is perhaps a surprising number of gaps and inconsistencies in even just the hour I’ve listened to – the sections on Mars and Martians and on information as dark matter – so much so that the entire piece risks being debunked by some people. I can only attempt as best I can in my own lay human’s words to make at least some sense of it.


Let’s start with the information theory, information as dark matter, having weight and leading to a theory of us living in a computer simulation with a ceiling on how far it will take us. The extra weight on a planet, we are told, produced by erasing data will lead to all the upheavals we associate with recurring catastrophes. Moon-sized information garbage in 340 years, Earth-sized in 400 years. Whenever a certain stage is reached, this obese world is sent off kilter, the last time a mere 12 thousand years ago, and here we go again.


There are several problems with this. First and foremost, one of timescale. In the other story, the Martians who escaped from nuclear holocaust on Mars aboard our Moon appear to have survived a hundred million years or more, without the Moon being swamped by Moon-sized information mass. They would appear to have found a huge degree of stability, and in fact they are said to be responsible for stabilizing Earth’s erratic climate up till then by placing our satellite as it is to this day. Presumably in so doing they have been erasing astronomical amounts of data, and we need to explain where the mass from that energy has been going and why these people are playing to different rules from the ones that supposedly apply to our entire visible universe. Alternatively, they started out with a tiny Moon that has been growing larger all this time – an unstable stabilizer in other words. Chapeau!


If erased data produces entropy in the form of mass, here on Earth we can say more generally that life produces waste – but while conversely recycled (organic) waste also produces life, technology always produces both unusable mass on the surface of the planet (landfill) and pollution, which when combined in sufficient quantities are enough to place us in jeopardy, as we see today, no dark matter required. The situation of course escalates when cleaning technology is introduced, which only makes the problem worse – better locally but globally worse (how to clean up the cleaning chemicals, clean up the clean-up etc.?).


Of course we could still be in a computer simulation here; the question is whether to prefer, as Jorjani does, this artificial intelligence idea to Rupert Sheldrake’s ‘mind of God’ understanding of life which he quotes. But of course, to call it someone’s artifice (and just who might that be?) is merely atheistic terminology for the same effect: it’s somehow immeasurably bigger than us, meaning that viewed from here, there is no ceiling but this creator. In addition, it would appear that these Martians are above or outside the level of this simulation and immune to its effects, and yet they destroyed their own world and came here to live. Incidentally that destruction was done not with dark energy from erased data but with good old nuclear warheads. So what’s going on, and what do we gain by noting that these are giant humanoids, like ourselves but bigger? It is a bit facile to claim that similar species will recur through Sheldrake’s resonance of form (morphic resonance). We already know how we came into existence, directly through reproduction and inter-species through evolution, on the basis of our DNA. This would then be more of the same: these large humans hanging around us are likely family, parents of our species. When they were our age, they had the same issue playing with nuclear matches, and now with their greater wisdom and experience, they have likely been nurturing us, notably by preventing us from that particular catastrophe. If not them, we’ve seen several miracles.


Another issue with Jorjani’s narrative is the vast intervening period, which he gets from the Mars scientist John Brandenburg. He also reports from corroborated remote viewing sessions that the Moon was used to create climate stability and evolve the Earth to the Martians’ own needs, so this was their second home long before it ever became our first. Jorjani surmises that they probably sent that asteroid to get rid of the unwanted dinosaurs. That would be using negentropy in a highly destructive way, would it not? But I want to know how have they been living all this time and how do they intend to end up? If they are like us, they will have needed a food supply on the barren Moon. I suggest they dined on dinosaur steaks until they ran out, and then turned to, say, early fish, whose descendants – the ‘tail end’ – we are now driving extinct. This is not life producing waste, but life feeding life having a higher degree of consciousness/self-awareness: negentropy. Mass to energy and back, over and over again. So it was not one-way traffic, all about the Moon helping the Earth, the opposite was also the case from the get-go and as the original colony likely grew in size. The point not being covered here is how the Earth itself fits in with Martian history and evolution, beyond the period of temporary accommodation inside the Moon. They didn’t need dinosaurs to survive, but they likely do need us. It makes sense to think that Earth humans were the goal of Mars humans all along – what we mean by ‘end times’ would be when this program comes to fruition. This Martian story is in its final chapter ahead of a future involving evolved Earth humans who also happen to carry acclimatized Martian DNA.


This leads me back to the issue of waste. The hollow Moon with what was on the inside now on the outside is suggestive of waste disposal as we are doing it here: with a hopelessly unecological approach despite the lip service. On a clement world, you live on the surface; on a semi-clement one, you build a house and live inside it; on a hostile one, you live underground, the planetary surface becomes your roof. A planet may be only clement to certain species and for a certain time, after which it has potential as a spaceship only. What is claimed to have happened on the Moon is happening before our eyes on Earth: hollowing out the interior into so much surface waste. At some stage, any evolved life form will end up inside. The point being that no surplus energy from erasing information or anything else is being introduced beyond that coming from the Sun. It is already there, included in the local production cost, not some exorbitant tariff being imposed from outside. Otherwise, the Moon would have had a chequered history and the Earth would have suffered in consequence – but maybe this is what has been happening all along?


What we are seeing is a work in progress, on an unimaginably long timescale, which is not the same as timelessness. On this scale, earth humanity is like a tiny child looking up to its parents it takes to be a hundred. Later on it understands that real centenarians end up as landfill in cemeteries, but there are a few still alive to prove it possible. Here we are talking of a still slower speed for evolution: how can an infant – or rather even an embryonic – species attempt to understand that without feeling great fear? This is the ambiguous immature condition in which the greater good can be experienced as being catastrophic. Traumatized Apollo astronauts escaping the limelight and never replaced would fall into this category. The analogy, then, is a mature foetus, too big to continue growing in the womb, and yet too small to imagine the change of scale to come, hence the fear.


A hollow planet is going to be bigger than the original (this may be why archaeologists always have to dig down to find what used to be on the surface). What is mined is mostly dirty fuel, i.e. small amounts of energy and large amounts of waste. And the energy produces heat, both needed and unwanted, so more pollution causing environmental strain. But if a hollow planet is the goal, then environmentalism is not an issue, or a negative one, and in this century this might explain the need for useful idiots and other billionaires to carry on regardless, requiring surface-based species to carry out the increasingly dirty work. To understand why this might be the (only) solution, we just need to think of the earth heating up through being populated and the Sun heating up because of its age (or maybe its population?). That being the case, there will likely come a time when the vicinity of Mars will be the better location, and who knows, the Earth might be making the trip to become a dual planet with Mars.


Another point that could be made is this whole business of expanding planets. This fits in with Paul LaViolette’s theory of planetary and stellar evolution, and of evolution more generally from atoms to galactic clusters, and which may be incredibly slow overall, but possibly with light-bulb moments compatible with our human experience of time – such as LaViolette’s galactic superwave. The human story would almost certainly have a part to play in all this. If so, we are probably looking at a 100th monkey situation. How many monkeys do you need to reach the hundred mark? (And how many is a ‘hundred’? Probably a lot more.) You might need eight billion, and not just any eight billion. And how many sets, in addition to the 100 monkeys currently running the planet? Alternatively, if the idea is to make as big a mess as possible, then all eight billion would be doing a useful job.The only way to find out soonest is for everyone to be doing their level best, whatever they believe that to be. Even if it’s not doing to others as they would have done to themselves. No ceilings here.


The basic premise in LaViolette’s theory is that all things grow, all the way from subatomic particles to galactic clusters. The transition from planet to star, I presume, is going to involve very gradually expanding, heating up and radiating more light. This may start by reflecting incoming light. This is something the Moon has brought to Earth, giving us reflected sunlight at all times of the day and night… This planetary evolution will have been boosted by the evolution of its life forms, and further boosted with the rise of an intelligent species in the image and likeness of these Martian colonists. It all sounds a bit like presentday obstetrics. We can all help this process along by exuding personal radiance, or joy, which is the opposite to acting like pawns in some cosmic chess game.


Coming back to the subject of dark matter, I am a little wary of a science that only recently corrected its cosmic scales by nearly an order of magnitude! Richard Feynman says somewhere, ‘No machinery has ever been invented that "explains" gravity without also predicting some other phenomenon that does not exist.’ Dark matter strikes me as another version of another indetectable substance or medium that exists only theoretically: the ether. In Six Not-so-easy Pieces Feynman talks about a ‘conspiracy of nature’ preventing us from measuring a value for the ether, and quotes Raymond Poincaré as saying this conspiracy is actually a law of nature. So here you have a void in our understanding, requiring not so much a leap of faith as accepting that to all intents and purposes there is no ceiling, this is bigger than we can ever grasp. The very idea of a medium places it in relation to, but different from, mass and energy (but not the same as how I think Jorjani sees dark matter). Materialism breaks down at this point – hits a ceiling of its own making –, meaning I suppose that all mass is energy but not all energy is mass, and hence light as detectable energy relies on indetectable (presumably faster than light) energy to get around. Or words to that effect…


One further inconsistency is that Jorjani relies on this aspect from the outset, because when he talks about remote viewing Mars 100 million years ago, then we are automatically with a vengeance in this faster-than-light, or timeless, environment, demonstrating how erasing data is something which apparently just cannot be done. It all ends up in the Akashic records or whatever you want to call it.


While all the above may be detached from reality, at least it makes for a positive outcome, with an explanation of why there is nothing to fear but fear itself.I don’t need it to be true, and if true it doesn’t particularly need any of us to understand. Nature, apparently, is somewhat conspiratorial.

After writing this post, I had another look at Brandenburg’s Death on Mars. What I had forgotten was that, far from playing with nuclear matches, the Martians were victims nuked from outer space, presumably by some alien race of marauders removing any competition. What difference does this make? It confirms the idea of space as a hostile environment and hence the need for secrecy and to get underground. So we Earthlings are endangering not only ourselves with our antics but the Martians as well. No wonder our governments appear to be taking orders from elsewhere. As children of nature, that is the environment we love and yet in this broader picture it turns out to be life-threatening. In such a context, a rebellious streak would unfortunately be counter-productive. Again, whatever the merits of this story – likely just a part of a bigger picture – a few things begin to make more sense, notably the mistreatment of good, honest, intelligent people, whose standard-bearer might be JFK. Or the rejection of free energy: beyond the economic motive, it is premature until such time as all the fossil fuels, lying underground like so much untreated waste from the past, are usefully recycled and protectively deposited above ground, thereby clearing space for other purposes. Once that is completed, clean free energy will become the only viable solution. Given that the economic motive is the driver of the whole system, here you have four good reasons for a policy that is otherwise incomprehensible and inexcusable.