Trump the swamp creature?

[TomKat]

David Icke explains how Trump is of the swamp he said he would drain.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/k2Tzcpc9Jqkz/

[ramus]

Thanks TOMKAT ..... answers some questions I had ....

4 ... Swamp people ... discussed in video


Sheldon Adeldon

https://www.google.com/search?q=shel...client=gws-wiz

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Wilbur Ross

https://www.google.com/search?q=wilb...client=gws-wiz

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Alan Dershowitz

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan...-wiz#cobssid=s

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Roy Cohn

https://www.google.com/search?q=roy+...client=gws-wiz

[T Smith]

Posted by ramus (here)
Thanks TOMKAT ..... answers some questions I had ....

3 of Trump's backers ... Swamp people ...


Sheldon Adeldon

https://www.google.com/search?q=shel...client=gws-wiz

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Wilbur Ross

https://www.google.com/search?q=wilb...client=gws-wiz

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Alan Dershowitz

https://www.google.com/search?q=alan...-wiz#cobssid=s

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Alan Dershowitz supported Biden

[ramus]

Used. ... maybe wrong word ... I meant, those who helped him in his financial world...as Icke talked about in video.

[Mike Gorman]

You know what? David Icke is a decent alternative thinker who gained some insight, but he does not know everything, much of his thinking is second hand compilations from varying sources, he has fallen in love with himself as being a champion for truth - I have nothing against David Icke, but he can tend towards arrogance, and myopia at times. I don't consider Trump a 'swamp creature', but he knows how to get along with these critters, Trump is more like the old world American maverick self made millionaires, plus he has a genuine regard for working people and the plight of ordinary American people: but he is a very wealthy man and he flaunts his prestige self indulgently, he loves Golf (which I personally hate) he is definitely like the plutocrats from the 1930's, I think he is somewhat blind to the full scale of the globalist project and the WEF club, but he detests these people organically. I disagree with Icke, Trump is a champion for American populism, and he knows how to use his social networks, but he is not a Swamp Creature as we would describe this as being.

[mountain_jim]

I disagreed with Icke when he said Jimmy Carter was the most evil president (back in the day).

In my view JC was well meaning but clueless about the true evil of the CFR, deep state and globalist actors he appointed to all his key positions and listened to for advice.

Trump is no saint, but the elections/MSM/CIA/FBI/Justice Department corruption his presidency has exposed has had great value in awakening US citizens to just how close we are getting to losing the country to corrupt uniparty officials, evil globalist technocrats, and planet control planners, among others.

The saga is still playing out - time will tell - I reserve final judgement at this point.

[Open Minded Dude]

Trump might be a Swamp creature after all. But he is the most bearable since he is still an outsider to the other creatures. The 'good' Swamp Thing from the movie. Yes - He has pros and cons. Up- and downsides. At the end of the day for me he is the lesser evil of them all.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Mike Gorman (here)
You know what? David Icke is a decent alternative thinker who gained some insight, but he does not know everything, much of his thinking is second hand compilations from varying sources, he has fallen in love with himself as being a champion for truth - I have nothing against David Icke, but he can tend towards arrogance, and myopia at times. I don't consider Trump a 'swamp creature', but he knows how to get along with these critters, Trump is more like the old world American maverick self made millionaires, plus he has a genuine regard for working people and the plight of ordinary American people: but he is a very wealthy man and he flaunts his prestige self indulgently, he loves Golf (which I personally hate) he is definitely like the plutocrats from the 1930's, I think he is somewhat blind to the full scale of the globalist project and the WEF club, but he detests these people organically. I disagree with Icke, Trump is a champion for American populism, and he knows how to use his social networks, but he is not a Swamp Creature as we would describe this as being.

I second that ... personally met David Icke in 1994 & 1996 when we invited him to speak at our conference I co-organized in Amsterdam ... met him face to face in real life several times ... have great respect for him but he is not "all knowing" ... he falls short in really seeing the big picture what Trump has done ... and he was already not interested to find out about that as he sees Trump as a "side issue" of a "much bigger picture" ... so he loses sight on what Trump did that actually helped The United Sates of America and I am not even from the USA ... Am Dutch!

David Icke's mind about Trump was already made up from 2016 onward and he sticks to that (no matter what) because he assumes Trump is not really an outsider of the Globalists plans ... I respectfully disagree.

• The way David Icke portrays Trump is very similar how MSM portrays David Icke ... very similar tactics ... really sad.
• Trump is far from perfect so is Icke!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋��

[mountain_jim]

And MSM adds another with this article yesterday (though I agree that Trump's vax initiative and refusal to publicly admit the problem is not a point in his favor, and Desantis is making a strong case for an alternative to Trump)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=1490&ito=1490

Watch out, Ron! Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says he has dumped Trump and now supports Florida governor because he has 'real sincerity'

• Alex Jones has dumped Donald Trump for Ron DeSantis
• InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist now backing Florida governor for the 2024 presidential race
• DeSantis has not said he is running for president
• Jones said Trump needs to be more like DeSantis
• 'We have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said
• He criticized former president for developing a covid vaccine

InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has jettisoned his support for Donald Trump and is backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race.

Jones, who was recently ordered to pay $49.3 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim in a defamation case, admitted he's 'pigheadedly' supported Trump throughout the years.

But, he said on his InfoWars podcast, he's now backing DeSantis, who is 'way better than Trump.'

Jones said he originally supported Trump because he wanted to keep Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden from becoming president. But he said he disagreed with the former president's Warp Speed initiative, which developed the covid vaccine.

'I've been persecuted like nothing in my life for supporting [Trump], and that made me kind of pigheadedly support him a few years ago even though I disagreed with his Warp Speed,' Jones said.

Jones is against the vaccine. DeSantis appointed a surgeon general named Joseph Ladapo, who has made public statements questioning the covid vaccine's effectiveness. The Florida governor also has forbid schools in his state from mandating covid vaccines.

'But that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good ... He's getting red-pilled more and more each day ... I'm a DeSantis guy,' he noted.

'Red-pilled' is a reference to the film The Matrix that is used by the right-wing to describe a person becoming conservative.

'I thought that we had to keep [Trump] in office because of the nightmare scenario if Hillary or Biden got in,' Jones said. 'With that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis has just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good. And I don't just watch a man's actions, as Christ said. Judge a tree by its fruits. I can also look in his eyes on HD video and I see the real sincerity.'

He said DeSantis, who won the office of Florida governor largely thanks to Trump's support, is who Trump should emulate.

'This is what Trump should be like. And I've been hammering this point, and he's doing it now. And we have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said.

Neither Trump nor DeSantis has said they are running for president in 2024. Trump has hinted at it but DeSantis has said he is focused on his re-election bid this year.

Both men have topped recent polling on a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary.

But a Florida poll released Tuesday saw DeSantis with a slight lead over the former president.

< rest at link >

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
And MSM adds another with this article yesterday (though I agree that Trump's vax initiative and refusal to publicly admit the problem is not a point in his favor, and Desantis is making a strong case for an alternative to Trump)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=1490&ito=1490

Watch out, Ron! Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones says he has dumped Trump and now supports Florida governor because he has 'real sincerity'

• Alex Jones has dumped Donald Trump for Ron DeSantis
• InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist now backing Florida governor for the 2024 presidential race
• DeSantis has not said he is running for president
• Jones said Trump needs to be more like DeSantis
• 'We have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said
• He criticized former president for developing a covid vaccine

InfoWars host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has jettisoned his support for Donald Trump and is backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 presidential race.

Jones, who was recently ordered to pay $49.3 million to parents of a Sandy Hook school shooting victim in a defamation case, admitted he's 'pigheadedly' supported Trump throughout the years.

But, he said on his InfoWars podcast, he's now backing DeSantis, who is 'way better than Trump.'

Jones said he originally supported Trump because he wanted to keep Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden from becoming president. But he said he disagreed with the former president's Warp Speed initiative, which developed the covid vaccine.

'I've been persecuted like nothing in my life for supporting [Trump], and that made me kind of pigheadedly support him a few years ago even though I disagreed with his Warp Speed,' Jones said.

Jones is against the vaccine. DeSantis appointed a surgeon general named Joseph Ladapo, who has made public statements questioning the covid vaccine's effectiveness. The Florida governor also has forbid schools in his state from mandating covid vaccines.

'But that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis is just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good ... He's getting red-pilled more and more each day ... I'm a DeSantis guy,' he noted.

'Red-pilled' is a reference to the film The Matrix that is used by the right-wing to describe a person becoming conservative.

'I thought that we had to keep [Trump] in office because of the nightmare scenario if Hillary or Biden got in,' Jones said. 'With that said, I am supporting DeSantis. DeSantis has just gone from being awesome to being unbelievably good. And I don't just watch a man's actions, as Christ said. Judge a tree by its fruits. I can also look in his eyes on HD video and I see the real sincerity.'

He said DeSantis, who won the office of Florida governor largely thanks to Trump's support, is who Trump should emulate.

'This is what Trump should be like. And I've been hammering this point, and he's doing it now. And we have someone that is better than Trump. Way better than Trump,' Jones said.

Neither Trump nor DeSantis has said they are running for president in 2024. Trump has hinted at it but DeSantis has said he is focused on his re-election bid this year.

Both men have topped recent polling on a hypothetical 2024 Republican primary.

But a Florida poll released Tuesday saw DeSantis with a slight lead over the former president.

< rest at link >

most of the above can be seen & studied here

[T Smith]

Trump is a narcissist. Not a swamp creature (IMHO). Meaning his ego is what dictates his actions, not the swamp (e.g., think Warp Speed).

It seems clear to me the swamp creatures employed Trump as an asset. Stroking his ego, in a time of public panic, and delivering for a panicked public where no other politician could, is what motivated Trump's Warp Speed actions. Cajoling Trump to surround himself and appoint various Deep State (double) agents who would later stab him in the back was bad judgement, but that doesn't necessarily mean his judgement came from the depths of the swamp. In other words, he was carrying their water alright, but it seems clear to me based on his other actions (and the actions of those who opposed him) that he was not carrying their water as a dutiful servant, but rather, as a dupe.

That is what it is, and something entirely different from a swamp creature.

[Waldo]

Every time I doubt Trump I recall his earlier days and interviews with major news personalities, he has not ever changed his message and I believe he loves America and and hates the direction it is going as all of us here do. Just my $.02

[TelosianEmbrace]

Trump has done many good deeds, actions a swamp creature would choke on.

https://gopdailybrief.com/acts-kindness-trump-deeds/

Dershowitz is amongst the worst of the slime creatures. A pedophile, a liar, and God knows what else.

.https://meaww.com/where-victoria-rob...-at-16-lawsuit

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by T Smith (here)
Trump is a narcissist. Not a swamp creature (IMHO). Meaning his ego is what dictates his actions, not the swamp (e.g., think Warp Speed).

It seems clear to me the swamp creatures employed Trump as an asset. Stroking his ego, in a time of public panic, and delivering for a panicked public where no other politician could, is what motivated Trump's Warp Speed actions. Cajoling Trump to surround himself and appoint various Deep State (double) agents who would later stab him in the back was bad judgement, but that doesn't necessarily mean his judgement came from the depths of the swamp. In other words, he was carrying their water alright, but it seems clear to me based on his other actions (and the actions of those who opposed him) that he was not carrying their water as a dutiful servant, but rather, as a dupe.

That is what it is, and something entirely different from a swamp creature.

Very concisely, and powerfully stated T Smith! (for what that is worth) I agree 100%

[onawah]

Don't forget Trump was all for persecuting (even assassinating) Julian Assange.
Dark Journalist talked about that in his latest episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWI3z6unM3Q
...much of which was about Trump, as some of his latest shows have been.

[rgray222]

Whether or not Trump is part of the swamp can easily be discovered by understanding his effect on his own political party (Republican). Even before he won the primary the Never Trump Movement sprang to life. It was and still is today a movement comprised of well-established Republicans that wanted life to stay the same. These are the fat cats that wield power, living in gated communities, giving out and receiving obscenely lucrative government contracts. These are the heavyweights that profit from war. These are the politicians that have given their families a golden ticket on the gravy train express, such as Biden, Pelosi, Kerry and Bush etc. It is here that the line between Democrat and Republican begins to merge into one. These are the long-term career politicians that learned how to game the system and seize the money-making committee seats and chairs. These are the politicians like Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer that threaten the newly elected congress members and senators that if they don't play the game by their rules they will never see a dollar of party reelection money and their time as politicians will be meaningless. This threat is real, well entrenched and effective.

The truth becomes clear when we do away with the Democrat and Republican labels. It is now the well-established political apparatus vs those that favour term limits and the removal of the money (read lobbyist) completely from politics. They want to dispense with insider trading and are willing to enact laws preventing families of politicians from getting rich. They are also prepared to address the contentious but necessary critical step to revamp the committees for a better distribution of power and money.

Trump changed the political landscape in ways that are still being measured.
1. He exposed the Democrats as a party of elitists who have made their power off the backs of minorities.
2. He exposed the Republican Party as a party of well-healed and well-established fat cats that never really wanted change.
3. He exposed the established politicians on both sides as globalists. Easily proven by looking to the border, neither party wants to fix this problem but Trump actually tried.
4. He showed the world that these well-established (corrupt) politicians would use any means to stop him, ie FBI, DOJ, IRS, CIA and even the postal service.
5. He exposed the mainstream media as a group of political activists with a hive mind set supporting well-established politicians regardless of party. He exposed the media as painfully flawed and deeply dishonest.
6. He showed Americans and the world that the system is rigged to favour those in power and they will use any means within their grasp to hold onto it.

Is Trump the perfect president, no, not by a long shot?
Could he do things differently that appeal to more people, sure but that is not who he is?
Has he taken some stances on issues like Assange that people are upset with, sure but he will never be all things to all people.

Trump has done a great job peeling back the veneer of the swamp and exposing it for what it truly is. Saying Trump is part of the swamp is like saying globalists have people's best interests at heart,

[Ratszinger]

Icke is not wrong. Trump is a swamp critter but even other swamp critters hate him and want him gone. That to me is why so many are going Trump. They are even changing their minds in my own neighborhood now after this FBI fiasco. I never ever thought I'd see this! Democrats and staunch dems are now for Trump on my street. Their reason? They say they've never seen their side of the aisle so fear a man they would take a civil matter and try to make it criminal! They know their side is about to lose and lose big on this and taht if they would do this so he must be good and they are bad. They think now that Trump is good! Go figure. I've never trusted him personally but it is obvious that even his own swamp critters that used to cuddle up to him now have turned. In this process they've awakened the masses to the fact there has been a lot of attacks and they've lost all of them. He has taken down the Bushes, the Clintons, and now the Cheney's and everyone he supports gets nominated for the most part!

[mountain_jim]

I include an excerpt here from a post I made elsewhere:

After Obama I said I would never 'vote' again, but cast a 2016 vote for Trump just to issue an F You to the system and to the Bush/Clinton family's machines.

As far as voting to (philosophically) throw an entertaining spanner in the works, I thought the Trump vote was well worth it.


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Definition of put/throw a spanner in the works
informal
: to cause something to not go as planned

We were ready to start the project when the bank threw a spanner in the works by denying the loan.

[thepainterdoug]

Mike Gorman 100% spot on. THANK YOU

Who is the perfect President? Name one ? In fact , how many people with a fantastically blessed life having everything, would ruin it all and put themselves in the job of being President of this country??

I play golf, and on July 4th played at Trumps Bedminster course. I never met a greater group of people from staff to members, everyone a gentleman, everyone kind and helpful, everyone fantastic in a place that was impeccable.
And during lunch, I sat 3 tables away from Trump and his guests, and he wished me a happy 4th as I did him.
My friend is a member and sees him every week. Like golf or not he is a fantastic golfer and golf takes great skill and measure. Thats why business and people are evaluated on the golf course not on the drag strip.

Trump is a family man, loves his family and his country and wants his country preserved for his family and their children.
CASE CLOSED!

Did anyone ever hear of keep your friends close and you enemies closer? Does anyone have any idea the mine field he has to walk thru?
Has anyone ever been in high places when pics are being taken of you and every character is wanting in the pic, associating with you for whatever reason good or bad?

TO BE A POLITICIAN MEANS YOU MUST BE A LIAR. PERIOD! Thats the definition. Its a matter of the compromise you make and the reasoning regarding those calculations for the big picture.

RGRAY 222 Thank you! David Icke can kiss my arse. Let him step up and find out.

Im not happy with a number of things about Trump. The jabb, Jan 6th prisoners, Assange and so on. But how does he calculate what he should or shouldn't do and associate with when looking at the larger goal?
And can a president take care of everyone? it's ridiculous to think so.
And how does he trust a pack of wolves presenting themselves as allies when the lions share of them are threatened by his presence and want him gone? He being an outsider is his greatest asset to us!

i agree with Nigel Farrage, Trump is the bravest man he ever met!

[7he5ource]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHRf-cqfSU
Back To The Future Writer Says Biff Was Based On Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKzHD_yP3mM
TRUMP IS THE SWAMP Trump's Jewish Elite MAFIA and The 5 Dancing Israelis 2017 (TMR)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anti-trump-shill
Donald Trump is a Pedophile - The Facts


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEMWSVgMyBs
Donald Trump appears to 'curtsey' to Saudi king after mocking Barack Obama for bowing - DAILY NEWS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaBDgPMzLuE
Donald Trump: "Hillary is a great friend of mine" (2008)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_88oPzTWRo
The Trumps and Clintons: A story of friendship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mizt5F_GmhM
The Boss Baby (2017) - Is the Boss Baby Trump? Alec Baldwin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF-rGuQgng
Is Trump Being Blackmailed ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebnZVkQ-pc
EXPOSED! Trump's Son-in-Law Is Financed By George Soros


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anti-trump-shill
The truth about the rape lawsuit against Trump. + Epstein, Bill Clinton, and the Lolita Express.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gNk2wg7Xo8
Meet the Billionaire Pedophile Pal of Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew


FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIR JUST ARRESTED FOR CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING — DURING THE CAMPAIGN
The Washington Standard / April 27, 2017 / 243
http://spam/fmr-trump-campaign-chair...king-campaign/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGAeBMDUoM
Donald Trump and Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein (LIP)
Wonder why Donald Trump has never brought up the Clinton connection to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ? Simply because Trump himself has declared that Epstein's "taste" for 'younger women" is great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lbb1EViNXI
Donald Trump & The Clintons "Pedophile Island"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l98qPCiaWNU
Is Donald Trump A Pedophile...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=971zVjyj2LI
Trump porn video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HzOqZeX3Yk
Alex Jones Of 'Infowars,' Conspiracy Theories, And Trump Campaign (Full) | Megyn Kelly | NBC News


pro-American ?
http://www.businessinsider.com/begin...dering-2014-10
Invanka's Chinese sweatshop

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...18#post1513318