Turmoil in the British Isles

[Ewan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
The dreaded UK Online Safety Bill has passed in the House of Lords and it doesn't really take much knowledge of the technical intricacies of rockets - think @rustyrockets (Russell Brand's Twitter handle) - to see where those dovetail.

Parliament link here: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137

For those unfamiliar with Bill processes in the UK, this is now at what they call the stage of Royal Assent, which is where Bills become Law. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, King Charles doesn't actually sign it into law. That process is conducted I think by the Lord Chancellor. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

The latest version showing amendments, below:

https://bills.parliament.uk/publicat...documents/3938

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Here's a really great genius anagram for those of you who may enjoy them, as I do:

Q: I am a famous London landmark: Shameful Operations

A: ......?

Houses of Parliament

[lake]

Posted by Tintin (here)
The dreaded UK Online Safety Bill has passed in the House of Lords and it doesn't really take much knowledge of the technical intricacies of rockets - think @rustyrockets (Russell Brand's Twitter handle) - to see where those dovetail.

Parliament link here: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137

For those unfamiliar with Bill processes in the UK, this is now at what they call the stage of Royal Assent, which is where Bills become Law. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, King Charles doesn't actually sign it into law. That process is conducted I think by the Lord Chancellor. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

The latest version showing amendments, below:

https://bills.parliament.uk/publicat...documents/3938

As far as I know the concept of "Hate" speech was removed from the bill and it re-focused on child safety!
I maybe incorrect but to 'search' the last full document brings no hits for the word "hate".

The last full document which is over 300 pages is this link:
https://bills.parliament.uk/publicat...documents/3841

Now that, above, is from 19th July 2023 and two amendments to it have been made since (in order):

7th Sept 2023:
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...362/220362.pdf

And this which is your link Tintin:
13th Sept 2023:
https://bills.parliament.uk/publicat...documents/3938


Which means to actually know what is being passed as a law, you will need to take the last full version and then make the changes (in order) from the 2 amendments!


They only protect themselves anyway .... and should NOT be trusted but on a 'quick' read of the last full document I see no problem for a forum!

[Matthew]

Posted by Matthew (here)
Here's a David Kurten video about the online safety bill.

The Online Safety Act will give Ofcom the power to fine social media platforms for 'hate speech' posted by users and destroy private messaging services.

Join the Heritage Party to defend free speech: heritageparty.prg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9btjnnrj3ZU

We are more resilient to this than other social media platforms. This is what David is saying in bullet points

David says:
- David believes it does contain regulation of hate speech. It's on the back of current hate speech laws but the new thing is a fine for the provider of up to 10% of their global income, or 18 million pounds, whichever is the largest. It will trickle down

- What has been taken out is enforcing against legal but harmful content, but social media will be required to provide a block function

- But it does empower an already abused hate speech law

- The bill would make OFCOM the regulators for the internet

- They're going to make up standards and a code of conduct (working with Big Tech^*1) which will then be enforceable

- ^*1David references Dame Melanie Dawes, Ofcom Chief Executive, who talks about how OFCOM will take on a new role as online safety regulator 2 months ago here: https://youtu.be/WvjbKLPM00s. I've listened to her talk about the new role of OFCOM... it's what I expected. They've been gearing up for this already, talking to "big tech", as she puts it, in preparation

- In the bill the government are going against encryption. The bill says peer to peer encryption has to end

- All content needs to be scanned because they care about children, but if they care about children what about Rochdale or the school trans issue?

- All your content will be scanned


Will it end there? Do they really care about children? Then what are they doing this for? I can't see the silver lining since the government don't really care about children, I can't take that spin in good faith.

[jaybee]

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just seen this...




oh dear....................... ............

A set of traffic lights has been completely cut in half in an anti-Ulez attack.

A driver spotted the damaged lights (with a camera on top) while on the school run in Dartford, Kent, on Wednesday morning.

Pictures show the lights at a crossing on Crayford Way, spliced in half with electrical wires exposed.

A red sticker on the post reads, "Ulez spy camera", with an arrow pointing upwards.

It follows a significant surge in acts of vandalism and sabotage against Ulez cameras in recent weeks, carried out by individuals who refer to themselves as "blade runners".

The malicious activities include covering cameras with paint, among other things.

[Tintin]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Houses of Parliament

[mizo]

In regards to the UK Online Safety Bill

I'm an artist- I create mostly Time-base media/ digital art (My current Art PhD and research thesis / art practice is all about Superconspiracy Theory) that questions and provides alternative narratives and viewpoints to the official 'truths'.

I have an art exhibition next month in Eastern Europe that no doubt 'in the near future' officialdom would certainly wish to censor!

This latest draconian Orwellian law will ultimately will be used to squeeze and silence everyone.

This latest tweet from David Icke's son about this new law resonates with me.

[Icare]

Found this on David Icke's website and followed the link to the original article. It's from the Mail Online.

Moment Keir Starmer is caught on camera saying Labour 'don't want to diverge' from EU rules at centre-left summit amid claims he wants to 'reverse Brexit by stealth' if he wins power
By GREG HEFFER, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:25 BST, 21 September 2023 | UPDATED: 19:30 BST, 21 September 2023


Sir Keir Starmer was today accused of trying to reverse Brexit 'by stealth' after footage emerged of him admitting Labour 'don't want to diverge' from EU rules.

The Labour leader, speaking at a conference of centre-left leaders, suggested his party do not want to 'do different things' from EU countries if they win power.

Sir Keir added there was 'a lot more common ground than you might think' between Brussels and the UK.

The comments fuelled further suspicions about the Labour leader's stance towards Brexit, as he bids to replace Rishi Sunak as prime minister at the general election.

Sir Keir has already pledged to strike a 'much better' Brexit deal with the EU if he enters Downing Street, while he this week held cosy talks with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris.

Former business secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg told MailOnline that Sir Keir's remarks about not diverging from EU rules were 'no surprise'.

'Sir Keir of the second referendum has always opposed Brexit and wants the reverse it by stealth,' he added.

Other senior Tories claimed Sir Keir had missed the 'whole point of Brexit' and said Britain would be committing a 'disastrous mistake' by 'blindly following' EU rules.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...win-power.html

https://davidicke.com/2023/09/22/mom...he-wins-power/

[Matthew]

Sudiksha Thirumalesh

There are transparency orders over a case involving her, which block what can be said. Her now being dead just makes it more heartbreaking for her family. This makes for a very cryptic but painful scandal.

There is a time and a place to share thoughts and rumors about the details behind the gagging orders but thanks to self-censorship there isn't really, so I doubt this forum would welcome breaking of any court orders. That said, if anyone knows or suspects anything about this I'd really appreciate your thoughts in a PM.

Laurence Fox
@LozzaFox
A health service and a judicial system hell bent on on protecting themselves above all others.

Sudiksha Thirumalesh deserved better.

We all deserve better.

GB News
@GBNEWS
‘Denied the freedom for a chance at more life, and now, denied the freedom to speak about it!’

@LozzaFox
reacts to Sudiksha Thirumalesh’s family finally being able to reveal their daughters identity following a legal battle with the NHS to remain on life-saving treatment.

[lake]

An excellent 4 minutes from this MP clearly describes the current state of UK democracy 23rd Sept 2023 at the Freedom Rally in London!

The last minute is the best!


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fDTa3CvOWFse

[norman]

Interesting timing . . .


https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...16357076001599


@realDonaldTrump

Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom has very substantially rolled back the ridiculous “Climate Mandates” that the United States is pushing on everyone, especially itself. I always knew Sunak was smart, that he wasn’t going to destroy and bankrupt his nation for fake climate alarmists that don’t have a clue. In the meantime the U.S. keeps rolling merrily along, spending Trillions of Dollars trying to do that which is not doable, while at the same time breathing in the filthy and totally untreated air floating over our once great Country from China, India, Russia, and Parts Unknown. They are all building Coal Fired Plants by the hundreds each year, and Germany, which has almost destroyed itself with its ridiculous form of the Green New Hoax, has just joined in. Congratulations to Prime Minister Sunak for recognizing this SCAM before it was too late! The Green New Hoax will take down the U.S., perhaps even sooner than our Open Border of Death. IT MUST BE STOPPED. MAGA!!!

[Matthew]

Welsh resistance to 20mph speed limits shown on a graph.

Wales recently changed their 30 mph speed limit roads to 20 mph speed limit roads.

This guy on twitter shows the number of petition signatures in protest against this compared to other key Welsh votes:

Bargoed Boy (@BoyBargoed)
I've updated the chart showing how the petition is faring against other key numbers in Welsh history. It's closing on Labour's total vote in the last Senedd election: just 30,000 or so off that now. Hopefully that'll be the magic number to wake up @Amanwy and @PrifWeinidog
🤷‍♂️

source twitter

[Icare]

Sorry for posting something that is so old, but I think this is still pertinent as it shows how the royal family works and how the government fought 10 years to keep this information suppressed:

Prince Charles's 'black spider memos' show lobbying at highest political level


From: The Guardian

Publication of 27 letters after 10-year legal battle shows heir to the throne petitioning ministers on subjects from the Iraq war to alternative therapies

Robert Booth and Matthew Taylor
Wed 13 May 2015 21.27 CEST

A cache of secret memos between Prince Charles and senior government ministers has been released after a 10-year legal battle, offering the clearest picture yet of the breadth and depth of the heir to the throne’s lobbying at the highest level of politics.

The 27 memos, sent in 2004 and 2005 and released only after the Guardian won its long freedom of information fight with the government, show the Prince of Wales making direct and persistent policy demands to the then prime minister Tony Blair and several key figures in his Labour government.

From Blair, Charles demanded everything from urgent action to improve equipment for troops fighting in Iraq to the availability of alternative herbal medicines in the UK, a pet cause of the prince.

Tony Blair and Prince Charles share a joke
Prince warned Blair armed forces were in Iraq 'without necessary resources'
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In a single letter in February 2005, he urged a badger cull to prevent the spread of bovine tuberculosis – damning its opponents as “intellectually dishonest”; lobbied for his preferred person to be appointed to crack down on the mistreatment of farmers by supermarkets; proposed his own aide to brief Downing Street on the design of new hospitals; and urged Blair to tackle a European Union directive limiting the use of herbal alternative medicines use in the UK.

The government has spent more than £400,000 on legal costs in its ultimately failed attempt to block the original 2005 freedom of information request by the Guardian journalist Rob Evans. The case was eventually decided at the supreme court and the decade-long saga involved in total 16 different judges.

Prince Charles letters include strong backing for badger cull
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David Cameron’s last government attempted to veto the release. In 2012 the then attorney general, Dominic Grieve, warned they “would be seriously damaging to his role as future monarch because, if he forfeits his position of political neutrality as heir to the throne, he cannot easily recover it when he is king”.

But following the release of the “black spider” memos – so-called because of the prince’s scrawled handwriting – there were questions on Wednesday about whether it was worth the money to try to keep secret details of his lobbying, some of which reflects Charles’s very narrow personal interests.

The Prince of Wales on a visit to an acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine centre in London, 2003.
Did Prince Charles's letter lead Tony Blair to postpone herbal medicines law?
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For example, in October 2004 he told the environment minister Elliot Morley he hoped “illegal fishing of the Patagonian toothfish will be high up on your list of priorities because until that trade is stopped, there is little hope for the poor old albatross”.

But they also cover more controversial subjects. In one memo, Charles explicitly lobbied Tony Blair when he was prime minister to replace Lynx military helicopters.

Charles complained that delays in their replacement was “one more example where our Armed forces are being asked to do an extremely challenging job (particularly in Iraq) without the necessary resources”. Blair responded that replacement would be a priority for spending.

He directly urged the health secretary, John Reid, to accelerate redevelopment at a hospital site in Sunderland in which his own architecture charity was involved, warning bluntly that “chickens will come home to roost” in Reid’s government department if action was not taken.

The letters revealed not only that ministers often responded actively to his suggestions but they appeared to hold his interventions in high regard.

Blair replied to him in one letter: “I always value and look forward to your views – but perhaps particularly on agricultural topics.”

After Charles Clarke, then education secretary, responded to Charles’ complaint about the nutritional content of school meals, he signed off: “I have the honour to be, Sir, Your Royal Highness’s most humble and obedient servant.”

The memos also reveal how dogged Charles can be in demanding actions from ministers as it emerged that his engagement with key political players has not abated. Since the beginning of 2010, the prince held 87 meetings with ministers, opposition party leaders and top government officials, new figures release by the campaign group Republic showed. This year he has held meetings with, among others, David Cameron, the Scottish National party leader, Nicola Sturgeon, the education secretary, Nicky Morgan, and Alistair Carmichael, then Scotland secretary.

The Guardian’s Robert Booth sheds light on the contents of the letters. Link to video Guardian
The letters emerged amid growing signs that Prince Charles is planning to rule in a far more outspoken way than the taciturn Queen. Allies told the Guardian last year he planned “heartfelt interventions” in national life, while in 2013 his friend and biographer Jonathan Dimbleby said: “A quiet constitutional revolution is afoot.”

But this is likely to be the only glimpse the British public gets of Charles’ correspondence with ministers. Since the original Guardian request to see the letters the government has tightened up the Freedom of Information Act to provide an “absolute exemption” on all requests relating to the Queen and the heir to the throne.

Paul Flynn, a Labour MP and member of the political and constitutional reform committee, said the letters lifted the lid on the activity of the “the lobbyist supreme in the land”.

An albatross at sea
Prince keeps his fists in velvet gloves – but does not pull his punches
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“They show he is putting forward a whole variety of views – including many bad science views and others that should have no more weight than the man down the pub,” he said. “We can see his views were given a seriousness and priority they did not deserve.”

Prince Charles was said to be “disappointed” the principle of confidentiality had not been maintained, and his spokeswoman said publication “can only inhibit his ability to express the concerns and suggestions which have been put to him in the course of his travels and meetings”.

Prince Charles's letters illustration
Read the Prince Charles 'black spider' memos in full
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But aides argue the letters do not show the prince engaging in matters of party political contention, implying they do not breach the principle of political neutrality.

“The letters published by the government show the Prince of Wales expressing concern about issues that he has raised in public,” his spokeswoman said. “In all these cases, the Prince of Wales is raising issues of public concern, and trying to find practical ways to address the issues.”

But the Guardian’s editor-in-chief, Alan Rusbridger, said: “We fought this case because we believed – and the most senior judges in the country agreed – that the royal family should operate to the same degrees of transparency as anyone else trying to make their influence felt in public life. The attorney general, in trying to block the letters, said their contents could ‘seriously damage’ perceptions of the prince’s political neutrality.

“Whatever the rights and wrongs of that assessment, it is shocking that the government wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money trying to prevent their publication. Now, after 10 years, we are pleased to be able to share the contents of his correspondence and let people draw their own conclusions.”

Graham Smith, chief executive of Republic, which campaigns for an elected head of state, said: “These letters are only a small indication of widespread lobbying that’s been going on for years. We now need full disclosure and an assessment of his impact on government policy.”

Maurice Frankel, director of the UK Campaign for Freedom of Information, said: “The release of the Charles memos represents a major victory for the freedom of information process, showing that ministers cannot block disclosure simply because they don’t like the result.”

Michael Meacher, a former Labour environment secretary who received private letters from Charles about policy, called for a new system of transparency around his correspondence with ministers when he becomes king to “remove public suspicion from the process”.

Prince Charles on tour in the US. 'The published letters of the prince to politicians show his advoc
Charles’s letters and the democratic process | Letters
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“A brief statement would be made when the king has written to a minister and the subject would be obvious,” he said. “At least we would know he has been giving his opinions and, some would say, lobbying ministers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ers-tony-blair

[Icare]

POSTED BY NEIL HAGUE - MEMES AND HEADLINE COMMENTS BY DAVID ICKEPOSTED ON 24 SEPTEMBER 2023
Anti-monarchy group Republic sneak into Buckingham Palace to stage protest right under the nose of the royals

Activists against the monarchy and King Charles have staged the first-ever protest inside Buckingham Palace.

The group of local campaigners from different parts of the UK visited the famous landmark just after midday as tourists.

They then stood, before standing in the Grand Hall wearing t-shirts that spelled out ‘Not My King’.

Footage of the stunt was posted online and showed them taking off their jackets.

A female member of staff can then be hear shouting: ‘Hey guys? What is this? What are we doing?’.


Speaking for Republic, Graham Smith said today: ‘This is a first, an anti-monarchy protest inside Buckingham Palace. A fantastic statement of intent, citizens standing up in the home of the monarchy to declare their opposition to hereditary power.

Read more: Anti-monarchy group Republic sneak into Buckingham Palace to stage protest right under the nose of the royals
https://davidicke.com/2023/09/24/ant...of-the-royals/

[norman]

Posted by norman (here)
Something to think about.

Although I'm fairly confident that America will turn a corner soon I'm not confident we in the rest of the world, especially in UK are going to turn that same corner in the same time frame.

There is a tick list for stages of the agenda 2030/NWO/WEF. One of the tick boxes is timed, I think for 2027 or 8, for all homes in UK to meet a specified top down enforced eco' standard. I remember reading or hearing about it first quite a long time ago but only now have I seen a potentially nasty way that will apply to our circumstances.

Many property owners will either have new property that already meets the new standard or they will spend the money and fairly easily tweak the property to meet the standard. BUT, it's just dawned on me that a vast number of property owners will have very substandard property that cannot cost effectively meet the new standard. It is on this failure to meet the standard that I now can see where the big players' action is going to happen.

Catherine Fitts has spoken several times about the dirty tricks of the planners. Burning whole areas to the ground is only one method. In European countries the tight grip they have on enforcement of their dictates means they could conceivably just condemn property and clear areas of the people in them with almost equal brutality as seen in the case of the fires in the US.

That's the point of this post. The thing to have a forward think about. I know in my own case my house will fall far short of their new dictate. I will not be spending the money to make it jump their bar either.

Their plans may fall apart before they get there, but it's starting to become clear to me now how they are going to reach their ambitious goals if we don't bring them to a standstill first.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sqV7alDz8

[Matthew]

Anti-breaking cameras.

An excuse to put cameras on the roads and farm fine money on the way if you ask me.

New anti-braking speed cameras target drivers trying to avoid fines
By Gareth Roberts
25 September 2023



New devices will penalise drivers who attempt to avoid fines by braking harshly to slow down for speed cameras then speed back up too quickly after passing them.

The cameras have been implemented in Spain and road safety experts at Road Angel are calling for the technology to be implemented in the UK.

The anti-braking devices were trialled in early 2020 and have now been officially rolled out in the Navarra region of north-east Spain after a successful pilot scheme.
...

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/car...obile%20device.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aviXC9KNkq4

[Bill Ryan]

https://amazon.com/Krylon-K02776007-.../dp/B07LFXGDVL

[sunwings]

The most bizarre whodunnit gripping Britain: Theories swirl over just why world famous Sycamore Gap tree was chopped down in the middle of the night...as boy, 16, is quizzed by police



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-arrested.html

[Ewan]

Posted by sunwings (here)
The most bizarre whodunnit gripping Britain: Theories swirl over just why world famous Sycamore Gap tree was chopped down in the middle of the night...as boy, 16, is quizzed by police



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-arrested.html

That was less than 20 miles from where I used to live in UK before moving to Ireland. It was a very scenic spot and varying light conditions could make it spectacular.
Mindless.

[Matthew]

Reading comments about this on twitter:

- It was a very clean cut and the cut was marked beforehand. Not saying this wasn't vandalism

- It's very sad

- It's still only a tree, we can plant more


This stopped me getting upset about this.

[Brigantia]

Good old Twitter... by that reasoning:

It's only Chaucer/Shakespeare/Dickens - ChatGPT can write some more.
It's only a 14th century manor house - we can build something modern.

The news upset me too as they say that the tree was about 150 to 200 years old, I remember it from a glorious 4 night stay at Once Brewed Youth Hostel* and I walked miles along Hadrian's Wall. I'm dubious about the alleged 16 year old culprit - how many of that age would be proficient with a large chain saw? A farmer's son perhaps, though I don't think that even a 16 year old would have easy access to a chain saw.

*Once Brewed - a delightful etymology, it was opened back in the 1930s I think, just down the road from the Twice Brewed pub. The hostel owner wasn't impressed with drinking alcohol, so she called it Once Brewed, as the only beverage that hostellers would get would be once-brewed tea!