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    Default The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    This might well be posted under Mind Control, a term that Chris Martenson actually uses in this new video.

    Martenson documents in detail how the entire population was quietly and unknowingly trained, like so many rats running mazes or dogs in a circus, to adopt fear, guilt and rejection of friends and family as state-encouraged tactics to condemn the unvaxxed as socially inferior, selfish, irresponsible, dangerous, and more.

    This process of propaganda injection is known by behavioral scientists as 'nudging' — a rather Orwellian sugar-coated term for manipulation of personal attitudes towards products... or other people.

    Corporate marketers, ever since the work of Edward Bernays a century ago, know how to sell soap to consumers, or anything else. But now, we're being sold our very own beliefs and values — after which we even believe that they really are our own.

    The Fight For Your Mind: Information Battlefield Tactics of the Nudge Units Exposed

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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    The obvious is what is being done in recent times.

    Bernays was only the 'modern' inventor of psychological entrainment.

    Governments, dictators, and potentates have been doing this for centuries.

    I would say I can't be entralled but...life encased in matter requires it.


    We are all dreaming a dream we believe to be 'real' because we are all masters of fantasy.
    It has always been so...
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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    Here's a story for you: A friend of mine who is triple jabbed and has tested positive for fluvid19 several times and recently diagnosed with prostrate cancer was in my local pub a few days ago. He knows that I am unvaxxed and also that I have been praying for him. On this day he was also supposedly positive and exceedingly drunk, He proceeded to cough into my face and drink deliberately. I had to walk away. And somehow I am the guilty one. This is a good example of how mind controlled they are. Friend no more but I will continue to pray for him.
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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    Agree with that bill.

    Yet it leads me to a question I have wondered about recently. I know of none who are not under the effect of this this thing that is going on.

    My question is, does anyone know Anybody Who is not affected by it?

    Thanks

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    • Just look for 100s of Declassified Government (F.O.I.A.) Documents discussing "Behavior Modification Programs & Projects"
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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    I know a friend of mine from 12 years, Argentino too, we were on same level all the time...

    2 years ago began something to brake...he isn't vaxed too , then we have differences about criptos, he went all for it, I was cautious,

    3 months ago came very enthusiastic about Chinese philosophies + kun fu, he wanted a training curse 1 month in the woods...

    he look at many videos in "your turd" about "his" teacher...

    for a lot of money, I told him I have some books about, but none of this you cant learn in a month...
    search for a dojo in your neighborhood and you must go 3 times in the week if you really want to learn something...

    Nope, "his " teacher was better yada, yada ...I give him the books about tao, zen, etc.

    Suddenly came Ukraine versus Russia theme and ...it was over, " that what you talk about is all Russia propaganda", yada,yada...

    He went home, next morning I check my post and found the books I gave him...

    He quits our friendship.
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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    Disregard Belief... rely on Experience instead... is my motto.

    Belief has been so manipulatively exerted upon people. Why?... Ever wonder why?

    "I believe.... I believe..... " lol.

    Disregard belief.. and you'll say "I had an experience.. I experienced..."

    Isn't experience better than belief? ....

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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    Quote Posted by bobme (here)
    Agree with that bill.

    Yet it leads me to a question I have wondered about recently. I know of none who are not under the effect of this this thing that is going on.

    My question is, does anyone know Anybody Who is not affected by it?

    Thanks
    I don't think I'm "affected". (But you may need to define more precisely what you mean!)

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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    A highly recommended book for this topic would be 'Influence' by Bob Cialdini he wrote in 1984. I don't think you could start with a better book than this, and I'm going to make sure my children have at least a grasp of its concepts, something they're NEVER going to get in a conventional state education. It's information you can immediately begin to use in real life.

    He describes the commonly-used (and highly effective!) psychological manipulation techniques used by what he terms the 'compliance practitioners' of this world: crooks, conmen, charlatans, abusive partners, salesmen of all descriptions, gold diggers, politicians, auctioneers, corporations etc - the list is seemingly endless. He gives valuable insights into how one can detect when one is being manipulated and hence avoid becoming a patsy for these people / organizations.

    Surprisingly, the science of persuasion is something that still continues to be under-researched in much of conventional academia.

    Some of of my favourite passages concerning one or two of the principles dealt with in his book:

    Quote It allows us a convenient, relatively effortless, and efficient method for dealing with complex daily environments that make severe demands on our mental energies and capacities. It is not hard to understand, then, why automatic consistency is a difficult reaction to curb. It offers us a way to evade the rigors of continuing thought. And as Sir Joshua Reynolds noted, 'There is no expedient to which a man will resort to avoid the real labour of thinking'."
    Quote The humankind works a lot like the human egg. When one sperm gets into a human egg, there's an automatic shut-off device that bars any other sperm getting in. The human mind tends strongly toward the same sort of result. And so, people tend to accumulate large mental holdings of fixed conclusions and attitudes that are not often re-examined or changed, even though there is plenty of good evidence that they are wrong.
    Social psychology is rife with experiments that illustrate social proof. Here's a hilarious one from the 1960s - The Elevator Experiment:

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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    We are all affected subconsciously to greater or lesser degrees. Even recognizing the programming when you see it implies being a part of the programming process. How can you even recognize something if you are not a part of it? To be able to function in society and fit in requires accepting the programming to some degree. Many even understand that they are being programmed but comply with it because everyone they know complies too. Being a part of a cohesive whole is more important to most people than being a unique individual with their own thoughts and beliefs.

    It's understandable. It is a human trait and outsiders have often become outcasts in human societies. Those who believe differently start their own societies with like-minded folk. Even now, looking at the, I don't even know what to call this community any more, folks who have held alternative beliefs long-term (pre-Q), our understandings are so varied and differentiated that many of us don't even believe the same things as others we've known for years. I see folks who have considered themselves truly cognizant of what's going on, sink back into the mainstream to observe warily as this community has become more and more fractured. Which of course has been deliberate programming as well. I don't know that it ever ends until our forms of communication transcend language.
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    Agree with that bill.

    Yet it leads me to a question I have wondered about recently. I know of none who are not under the effect of this this thing that is going on.

    My question is, does anyone know Anybody Who is not affected by it?

    Thanks
    Yes, there is a disconnection between the lower classes and the top higher ones, you can see this in several instances all over. Simply they avoid getting "affected" by living on a separate layer of society that doesn't interact much with the rest (commoners, serfs etc)

    That's why most of the high society seems clueless when they go interact with normal street people, or even act all odd when they go to a regular restaurant outside their own private little world (like eating pizza or hamburgers with a fork and knife, or stuff like that) They simply live on a different, separate world with different influences, and they don't watch the usual propaganda or even try to learn about what the common people do on their day by day life

    That's how they avoid getting affected by those control tools
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    Default Re: The marketing ('nudging') of beliefs and attitudes: how we're all controlled

    Yes,I will Try to explain further than I posted. when we post on any subject that is out of somebody who posted anything at all,are we not affected by it in some way?

    Even when we like or or dislike, or are indifferent to the post, are we not affected by it?

    We see many things that we know are wrong in this world,and we are touched emotionally by them.

    That is the best I can describe it. I do not have the ability, I guess, not

    to be affected by everything I see or experience.

    Hope that makes some sort of sense. thanks anyhow.

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    Quote Posted by Mark (here)
    We are all affected subconsciously to greater or lesser degrees. Even recognizing the programming when you see it implies being a part of the programming process. How can you even recognize something if you are not a part of it? To be able to function in society and fit in requires accepting the programming to some degree. Many even understand that they are being programmed but comply with it because everyone they know complies too. Being a part of a cohesive whole is more important to most people than being a unique individual with their own thoughts and beliefs.

    It's understandable. It is a human trait and outsiders have often become outcasts in human societies. Those who believe differently start their own societies with like-minded folk. Even now, looking at the, I don't even know what to call this community even more, folks who have held alternative beliefs long-term (pre-Q), our understandings are so varied and differentiated that many of us don't even believe the same things as others we've known for years. I see folks who have considered themselves truly cognizant of what's going on, sink back into the mainstream to observe warily as this community has become more and more fractured. Which of course has been deliberate programming as well. I don't know that it ever ends until our forms of communication transcend language.

    I think the cliche 'being in this world, but not of it' is the best I can personally do here. To survive in this current paradigm, I have to have a foot in both worlds, as do many.

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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    A highly recommended book for this topic would be 'Influence' by Bob Cialdini he wrote in 1984. I don't think you could start with a better book than this, and I'm going to make sure my children have at least a grasp of its concepts, something they're NEVER going to get in a conventional state education. It's information you can immediately begin to use in real life.

    He describes the commonly-used (and highly effective!) psychological manipulation techniques used by what he terms the 'compliance practitioners' of this world: crooks, conmen, charlatans, abusive partners, salesmen of all descriptions, gold diggers, politicians, auctioneers, corporations etc - the list is seemingly endless. He gives valuable insights into how one can detect when one is being manipulated and hence avoid becoming a patsy for these people / organizations.

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    Some of of my favourite passages concerning one or two of the principles dealt with in his book:

    Quote It allows us a convenient, relatively effortless, and efficient method for dealing with complex daily environments that make severe demands on our mental energies and capacities. It is not hard to understand, then, why automatic consistency is a difficult reaction to curb. It offers us a way to evade the rigors of continuing thought. And as Sir Joshua Reynolds noted, 'There is no expedient to which a man will resort to avoid the real labour of thinking'."
    Quote The humankind works a lot like the human egg. When one sperm gets into a human egg, there's an automatic shut-off device that bars any other sperm getting in. The human mind tends strongly toward the same sort of result. And so, people tend to accumulate large mental holdings of fixed conclusions and attitudes that are not often re-examined or changed, even though there is plenty of good evidence that they are wrong.
    Social psychology is rife with experiments that illustrate social proof. Here's a hilarious one from the 1960s - The Elevator Experiment:

    And here's a link to Cialdini's 'Influence' here. One for the Avalon library perhaps?

    Influence

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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Bernays was only the 'modern' inventor of psychological entrainment.

    Governments, dictators, and potentates have been doing this for centuries.


    Well, to some degree, I like to keep in standing with a few easily-recognizable things. In this case something called Modern Age or Modern Era starting ca. 1880-1890, marked by the use of electricity and automobiles and so forth, bypassing the Steam Age, or things in the arts like Classical and Romantic periods. The flagship for propaganda here appears to be the Boer War, mostly through the vehicles of printable newspapers and colored posters. It is considered to have sold an unpopular capitalists' war to the public.

    Bernays however was about pure profit during peacetime, which is more specifically Advertising.


    Not listening is one form of relief. My other favorite tactic is just to learn what they are doing.

    It is a lot like "insurgency control" by the CIA. In many cases they are not even that good at what they are doing to begin with, and are capable of failure; but that is because it is now a job. Nevertheless, the "suggestion" just really isn't any good. And then you just see through it.

    With either Rhodes or Bernays it comes back to Capitalism. This is a continuous unit, a kind of 24/7 phenomenon which would not have been possible in times of a "slower refresh of stimuli". Even though the methods are similar; it magnifies them. For instance if we look at how Rothschild bought up the stock market over the Battle of Waterloo, he was, in some ways, acting like an idiot, and on a cheap theatrical level at that. No sheeple called the bluff.

    Something like the "Russian gas problem", etc., we have now, are so blatant and stupid, I am not at all surprised how many more masterful acts have slipped by.

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    I think the cliche 'being in this world, but not of it' is the best I can personally do here. To survive in this current paradigm, I have to have a foot in both worlds, as do many.
    Absolutely. I have worked for city government in an elected role and I teach high school students English in Texas, so I have to be present to the concerns of this world in order to best represent the search for Truth not only to the children that I engage but also the larger community. Many of us have roles that we have to maintain in order to truly be representative of our deeper urges toward self-expression. Considering the times we live in, it is not a far stretch, I am finding, for most people to be a bit more open to alternative understandings of what is going on in the world, especially after this vaccine fiasco. I can't tell you the number of people I know who were previously vaccine zombies in sharing and upholding the propaganda who have now had Covid while vaxxed 2, 3 times.

    That kind of lived experience counters programming because it becomes personal truth. I foresee that this will continue as more sacred chaos are toppled and institutions start to struggle beneath the weight of fundamental paradigmatic shift. So for those of us who are examplars in understanding and also at sort of 'shepherding' others into this space of beingness between worlds thatwe currently inhabit as a species, being able to stay true to ourselves and yet accessible to those who are close to truly opening their minds to extant realities requires us to exist apart in at least a more comprehensive and holistic personal mental construct.

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    Quote Posted by Mari (here)
    I think the cliche 'being in this world, but not of it' is the best I can personally do here. To survive in this current paradigm, I have to have a foot in both worlds, as do many.
    Absolutely. I have worked for city government in an elected role and I teach high school students English in Texas, so I have to be present to the concerns of this world in order to best represent the search for Truth not only to the children that I engage but also the larger community. Many of us have roles that we have to maintain in order to truly be representative of our deeper urges toward self-expression. Considering the times we live in, it is not a far stretch, I am finding, for most people to be a bit more open to alternative understandings of what is going on in the world, especially after this vaccine fiasco. I can't tell you the number of people I know who were previously vaccine zombies in sharing and upholding the propaganda who have now had Covid while vaxxed 2, 3 times.

    That kind of lived experience counters programming because it becomes personal truth. I foresee that this will continue as more sacred chaos are toppled and institutions start to struggle beneath the weight of fundamental paradigmatic shift. So for those of us who are examplars in understanding and also at sort of 'shepherding' others into this space of beingness between worlds thatwe currently inhabit as a species, being able to stay true to ourselves and yet accessible to those who are close to truly opening their minds to extant realities requires us to exist apart in at least a more comprehensive and holistic personal mental construct.

    Yes, some of us are marking time....here to be witness to the crumbling of the old paradigm and to help usher in the new. But crucially, we are also here to be a safety net for the millions who are going to have a very rude awakening experience. They will need us to re-orient them, if that's their path. Meanwhile I champ at the bit

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    Quote Posted by Mashika (here)
    Yes, there is a disconnection between the lower classes and the top higher ones, you can see this in several instances all over. Simply they avoid getting "affected" by living on a separate layer of society that doesn't interact much with the rest (commoners, serfs etc)

    That's why most of the high society seems clueless when they go interact with normal street people, or even act all odd when they go to a regular restaurant outside their own private little world (like eating pizza or hamburgers with a fork and knife, or stuff like that) They simply live on a different, separate world with different influences, and they don't watch the usual propaganda or even try to learn about what the common people do on their day by day life

    That's how they avoid getting affected by those control tools
    Sure Mashika, but there is another side to all this. Eating with a knife and fork is one example of social etiquette which the upper classes take very seriously; it is their way of conforming to their class. We are told there are other nefarious ways of maintaining an elite class identity, including but not limited to: secret societies, abusive initiation ceremonies, mind control, blackmail and death threats. I would submit that the elite are the ones suffering more than anyone from the severest forms of ‘nudging’. The controllers are the first to be controlled. How do we help them? Presumably by ourselves avoiding any sort of controlling behaviour: not as easy as it sounds.


    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    Social psychology is rife with experiments that illustrate social proof. Here's a hilarious one from the 1960s - The Elevator Experiment:

    The elevator experiment is somewhat, let’s say, disingenuous in my opinion. The question is how do you halve normal social distancing among strangers of both sexes (sorry, I guess ‘both’ is politically incorrect?) with minimal inconvenience in terms of inappropriate behaviour? In another area, where the issue is safety, you might ask why in a given country all road vehicles keep to the right or left. Would you recommend nonconformist driving? And what about knowledge? You educate scientists by first teaching them the consensus science, and only then give them both tools to pick holes in it and the independence of mind to find their own problems and their own answers. Nonconformism is not a thing in and of itself; there is always a prior conformity to be questioned and possibly overridden.

    There are many areas in which we behave like everyone else out of respect and care for others and support for community values. This is not control but self-control. Etiquette falls into this category. However yesterday’s good manners have often become anathema: don’t try holding a door open for a lady! Ladies no longer exist and a woman might feel insulted, instead of smiling at such quaint kindness. It would seem that intolerance is the ‘flavour of the month’ in terms of controlling behaviour.

    Conversely, then, abusive control would be a lack of self-control: egotistical greed, ‘service to self’ to the detriment of the community. Hence the elite would be something of a contradiction in terms: a community of loners. The idea that they should be in control of anything makes little sense: they are totally out of control. Rejecting this model can lead to a similar paradox: a community of non-conformists can only be a community by conforming, if not to a form of group-think at least to a form of democracy. This is what makes everything so difficult, and in a sense much easier. Any one individual most of the time is not going to get what they think they want, hence the need to cut everyone a good deal of slack: tolerance. One area where we don’t see much of that is the division itself of one human community into two, namely the controllers and the controlled: the Us and Them paradigm has become the general consensus way beyond the alternative community per se, so persuasively that one finds very few willing to step away from it.

    I recently suggested a mechanism for the predicament we are all in together, and how it might be solved. See these posts: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1527097
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1085139
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...l=1#post934226
    The value of locating and releasing trapped emotions is that the process is entirely non-judgmental. On the other hand, this kind of tolerance cannot be mistaken for laxism since the aim is to eliminate antisocial behaviour by addressing its root cause, which is emotional overload. Compare and contrast the self-inquisitorial tone of Christian confession. A good deal of current ideas as to how to put the world to rights strike me as being too closely in line with that tradition. Jesus, on the other hand, by all accounts, ministered almost exclusively to people’s (physical) ailments, simply telling them to be kind in future, a treatment much closer to the kinesiology-based procedure. Tolerance is all about de-escalation.


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    One of the very most difficult confrontations with one's "reality" is to find out that what one considered core values and cherished as "good and true" were most likely indoctrinated. They were probably deliberate inculturation to create our social compliance. In the early 70's I bought in totally to the "peace and love" kick start for the "new age".

    I really really believed we were in a "special" time where humanity would change. Actually I continued believing this until even NOW. I cannot get past a sense that something will change and we will end the very basis of war by a change in mind.

    However, I accept now that I was conditioned and see the deep betrayal I agreed to allow. I don't know what to do with the evidence because it "feels" like I do sincerely believe in the vaues promulgated. This is HUGE and could be the worst cognitive dissonance. I won't reject the evidence because it is so fully impossibly "coincidental". The scene was staged as evidenced by the Laurel Canyon links between the Military Industrial Complex and the music that entrained My emotional responses.

    I saw Norman's post here. The podcast he mentions about Laurel Canyon has 3 episodes and lays out the relationships and the cultural diversion well. I will link the page with the 3 episodes Occult Laurel Canyon

    What is true about my emotional responses? I am not sure but I LOVE GOD and I think God is the Force that interpenetrates all with infinite intelligence and is beyond all the ideas and thoughts. I feel connected and as if there is a higher POV I can reach that resolves the man made machine (I am in too).

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