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    • Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

    Quantum entanglement allows particles to affect one another faster than the speed of light. So does this mean we could one day build a device to exploit this and enable superluminal communication? A popular trope in sci-fi for sure, but today let's look at the science.

    Presented by Prof David Kipping (Columbia). Special thanks to Prof. Ehud Altman (Berkeley), Prof Tim Byrnes (NYU) & Prof. Raquel Queiroz (Columbia) for fact checking our script.

    ::References::

    ► Gisin (2014), "Quantum measurement of spins and magnets, and the classical limit of PR-boxes", : arxiv.org/abs/1407.8122
    ► Pawlowski et al. (2009), "Information causality as a physical principle", Nature, 461, 1101: arxiv.org/abs/0905.2292
    ► Einstein et al. (1935), "Can Quantum-Mechanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete?", PhysRev, 47, 777: journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.47.777
    ► Salart et al. (208), "Testing spooky action at a distance", Nature, 454, 861: arxiv.org/abs/0808.3316

    ::Further video resources::
    ► "Why You Can't Use Quantum Mechanics to Communicate Faster Than Light?" by Looking Glass Universe here
    ► "The puzzling tension between faster-than-light communication and quantum mechanics" by NYU Quantum Technology Lab: here
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    Default Re: Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

    Some physicists believe that faster-than-light communication may be possible with some intricate manipulation of entangled particles (Zhang et al. 2020).

    It also has been suggested that quantum entanglement can be used to realize quantum teleportation experimentally (Muschik et al. 2013).

    Further, reception and transmission of faster-than-light or QSC signals, rather than any faster-than-light spaceflight itself, may be central to the long-range cultural impact of contact (Maccone 2000).

    Zhang, Zi hua, Hua an Zhang, Su Zhang, and Zhi ying Zhong. 2020. “Some Significant results obtained on the research of the Superluminal phenomena and communications”. SCIREA Journal of Computer 5, no. 1: 34-51.

    Muschik, Christine A., Klemens Hammerer, Eugene S. Polzik, and Ignacio J. Cirac. 2013. “Quantum Teleportation of Dynamics and Effective Interactions between Remote Systems”. Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, no. 2: 020501.


    Maccone, Claudio. 2000. “Superluminal Strings Theory: What ETI May Teach Us”, Summary of Results of the Seminar on the Cultural Impact of Extraterrestrial Contact, Bioastronomy 99: A New Era in the Search for Life, (2000) ASPC 213 667B.

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    Default Re: Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

    Yea sure... quano comms

    Talking to somebody in alpha centauri from earth with a quano device.. in real time.. instantly.. no delay.

    So why not? Just gotta advance your research and development into quantum mechanics...and nano technologies.. I guess. Just combine the two, is all it takes.
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    Some significant papers have come out of China on superluminal communications. Unfortunately, they are published in Chinese in Chinese publications and not necessarily exposed to the Western scientists. By translating some of these papers there are some fascinating results from experimentations.

    Its unfortunate that western scientists are unaware of the research going on in China. Western scientists sustain the same narrative of the impossibility of FTL communications. It’s a different situation in the Chinese scientific arena.

    If we take one study by Zhang and team, cited in reference in previous post shows that superluminal phenomena and communications is possible through QM. They have worked on this for more than 20 years.

    Part of their research results have three aspects.

    First, they have revealed the theoretical foundation of superluminal propagation of light pulse, and proved that the result of WKD experiment (see note) is correct also pointed that in high negative dispersion region the concept of the group velocity is still valid and the supereluminal pulses are real and can be used to transfer the information.

    Note: See reference below: The WKD experiment was carried out in 2000 as a foundation concept for the future experiments on superluminal communications in China.

    According to their research, the result of WKD experiment was correct and has a very important meaning in science and technology development, they announced a new era of the superluminal will appear, meanwhile it also shows that Relativity is not a universal truth, bodies can move faster than c, Superluminal movement is a natural phenomenon.

    Second, for solving the contradiction between the Special Relativity and the superluminal motion they have shown that Special Relativity only is pseudo visual mechanics and not a universal truth, therefore concluding that Special Relativity may not fit any case and therefore concluding that nobody can move faster than c, that is always used by some physicists to deny the superluminal phenomenon and experiment result being incorrect, because of ignoring the difference between two epistemologies. See Appendix.

    They also raised the question that the invariance principle of light velocity is also incorrect, and pointed out that the light velocity depends on the situation of the observer and superluminal motion as natural phenomenon that was against by Einstein. They also think of the attitude to the conclusions of some by well known scientists is a criterion to test the level of maturity and knowledge of a scientist.

    Third, they suggest using the superluminal propagation of the information to improve the properties of the computer and communications, therefore they believe that superlumoinal informatics will appear to us in the near future.

    Note: WKD experiment:

    L. J. Wang, A. Kuzmich & A. Dogariu, Nature, 406, 277 (2000). Dogariu. A, Kuzmich. A, and Wang. L. J, Transparent anomalous dispersion and superluminal light-pluse propagation at a negative group velocity, Phys. Rev. A, Vol. 63, 053806.

    Appendix:

    In long term social practice, human beings have created two kinds of method to recognize the external world:
    One is the objective epistemology that considers the external world exists objectively and is independent of our observation and all the external bodies constitute an objective (or real) world; all subjects such as classical mechanics and quantum mechanics etc that are independent of observation belong to this category.

    The other is subjective epistemology that considers we recognize the external body through the observation. Only the body that emits light (or electromagnetic radiation) received by our eye or other instrument produce a vision is recognized.

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    Quote Posted by aoibhghaire (here)
    Some significant papers have come out of China on superluminal communications. Unfortunately, they are published in Chinese in Chinese publications and not necessarily exposed to the Western scientists. By translating some of these papers there are some fascinating results from experimentations.

    Its unfortunate that western scientists are unaware of the research going on in China. Western scientists sustain the same narrative of the impossibility of FTL communications. It’s a different situation in the Chinese scientific arena.

    If we take one study by Zhang and team, cited in reference in previous post shows that superluminal phenomena and communications is possible through QM. They have worked on this for more than 20 years.

    Part of their research results have three aspects.

    First, they have revealed the theoretical foundation of superluminal propagation of light pulse, and proved that the result of WKD experiment (see note) is correct also pointed that in high negative dispersion region the concept of the group velocity is still valid and the supereluminal pulses are real and can be used to transfer the information.

    Note: See reference below: The WKD experiment was carried out in 2000 as a foundation concept for the future experiments on superluminal communications in China.

    According to their research, the result of WKD experiment was correct and has a very important meaning in science and technology development, they announced a new era of the superluminal will appear, meanwhile it also shows that Relativity is not a universal truth, bodies can move faster than c, Superluminal movement is a natural phenomenon.

    Second, for solving the contradiction between the Special Relativity and the superluminal motion they have shown that Special Relativity only is pseudo visual mechanics and not a universal truth, therefore concluding that Special Relativity may not fit any case and therefore concluding that nobody can move faster than c, that is always used by some physicists to deny the superluminal phenomenon and experiment result being incorrect, because of ignoring the difference between two epistemologies. See Appendix.

    They also raised the question that the invariance principle of light velocity is also incorrect, and pointed out that the light velocity depends on the situation of the observer and superluminal motion as natural phenomenon that was against by Einstein. They also think of the attitude to the conclusions of some by well known scientists is a criterion to test the level of maturity and knowledge of a scientist.

    Third, they suggest using the superluminal propagation of the information to improve the properties of the computer and communications, therefore they believe that superlumoinal informatics will appear to us in the near future.

    Note: WKD experiment:

    L. J. Wang, A. Kuzmich & A. Dogariu, Nature, 406, 277 (2000). Dogariu. A, Kuzmich. A, and Wang. L. J, Transparent anomalous dispersion and superluminal light-pluse propagation at a negative group velocity, Phys. Rev. A, Vol. 63, 053806.

    Appendix:

    In long term social practice, human beings have created two kinds of method to recognize the external world:
    One is the objective epistemology that considers the external world exists objectively and is independent of our observation and all the external bodies constitute an objective (or real) world; all subjects such as classical mechanics and quantum mechanics etc that are independent of observation belong to this category.

    The other is subjective epistemology that considers we recognize the external body through the observation. Only the body that emits light (or electromagnetic radiation) received by our eye or other instrument produce a vision is recognized.
    Free-space propagation is much better.. just saying

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    Default Re: Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

    It, Quantum entanglement, has already been built.

    We are experience it now.

    Look at all the info we have gotten from "real science" already. It adds up to bull crap every time you do the logical math of simple understanding of what the eff is going on in this planet, and the effects of the emf frequincies we, as a species of this planet, are not prepared for.

    our dna has no experience with this in our past history. Never.

    So, My question is, how can any science, come to any conclusion, Based on something no human has ever dealt with before now?

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    Quote Posted by bobme (here)
    It, Quantum entanglement, has already been built.

    We are experience it now.

    Look at all the info we have gotten from "real science" already. It adds up to bull crap every time you do the logical math of simple understanding of what the eff is going on in this planet, and the effects of the emf frequincies we, as a species of this planet, are not prepared for.

    our dna has no experience with this in our past history. Never.

    So, My question is, how can any science, come to any conclusion, Based on something no human has ever dealt with before now?
    BINGO..!!

    Just like with a lot of things. Science 'makes up' the story.

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    Quote Posted by bobme (here)
    It, Quantum entanglement, has already been built.

    We are experience it now.

    Look at all the info we have gotten from "real science" already. It adds up to bull crap every time you do the logical math of simple understanding of what the eff is going on in this planet, and the effects of the emf frequincies we, as a species of this planet, are not prepared for.

    our dna has no experience with this in our past history. Never.

    So, My question is, how can any science, come to any conclusion, Based on something no human has ever dealt with before now?
    This really doesn't make much sense and sounds a bit misinformed.

    EMF (electro magnetic frequency) is what causes the northern lights.... which have gone on as long as the planet has had a magnetosphere and been near the sun

    Science really doesn't make anything new, we just discover what is already here and quantify it.
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    Tip: Do you really think that electrons travel inside a copper wire, or just barely on the exterior? E (electron) = (copper wire) _ (exterior)

    E (beginning push) ========= OR E (beginning push) ___________

    Electrical engineer will tell you it's the ======= .. but are you sure about that?
    .. are you really sure about that? HMMM...

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    Quote Posted by Anu Raman (here)
    Tip: Do you really think that electrons travel inside a copper wire, or just barely on the exterior? E (electron) = (copper wire) _ (exterior)

    E (beginning push) ========= OR E (beginning push) ___________

    Electrical engineer will tell you it's the ======= .. but are you sure about that?
    .. are you really sure about that? HMMM...
    You’re talking AC, right? All our high tension conduits work that way.
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    Quote Posted by Anu Raman (here)
    Tip: Do you really think that electrons travel inside a copper wire, or just barely on the exterior? E (electron) = (copper wire) _ (exterior)

    E (beginning push) ========= OR E (beginning push) ___________

    Electrical engineer will tell you it's the ======= .. but are you sure about that?
    .. are you really sure about that? HMMM...
    and it travels in a vortex on the outside of the wire... this is pretty obvious and easily tested for, I've done it myself at a conference.

    I worked on systems that "jammed" signals on various mediums (mostly radio / EMF; but a lot of physical wire stuff too) as well as learning how to "listen in" with out being detected... very important to understand how the electrons move down a wire todo that correctly.

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    You’re talking AC, right? All our high tension conduits work that way.
    DC is similar
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    Default Re: Does Quantum Entanglement Allow for Faster-Than-Light Communication?

    It's late at night and I will read the voluminous posts above hopefully tomorrow. Here is my intuitive thought on sending messages across the Universes. Thought is above and prior to space/time and the mechanics we created to control the mind created universe in which we live. Outside of the illusion of space-time there is instant thought transmission which is above and prior to words and breakdown of "things" which are a product of space-time. In short, instant telepathy is our existence within God-mind, no space, no time. Have fun with that.

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