What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

[TomKat]

Most people don't know about Project Mockinbird when the mainstreram media was converted to the state media. Maybe just get him to understand that everything that goes out of the mainstream media has to be govt approved.

[mijatoca]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
He says, he will know about it when it happens.

This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

I've been a member for many years. Don't post much, but this thread is an important one and I thank you.

[Anchor]

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The act of communicating truth, is in itself POTENT ACTION.

Just because something does not appear to be actionable, its really only just part of the illusion that holds some back.

[thepainterdoug]

Perhaps I need to restate my meaning of actionable in reference to who said it. My family member said and meant it, not in the esoteric, but in a boots on the ground way.
He was saying, what the eff can I do about what you tell me ? And I can totally understand now what he is saying

So the word "actionable "may mean something , up to debate and conjecture, on Avalon, he was asking me, what am I to do? And in truth, I do not know what to tell him.

Am I , or anyone else here fixing anything out there ?

I get all of what you are saying , but I am already converted, and have participated in all things Vietnam thru 9/11 etc.
I will let go, he and his generation need to find their way.

Brings to mind David Bowies, "Changes" Hit it boys!

// and let me add, these are the kinds of post that I make and offer here at P Avalon.
they are often personal and some may not like it , but you all here, most all of you I have never met and never will, are my family.

[Anchor]

In my sense the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds. They are all challenging to get right, they are all worth doing.

Just because your eyes have been opened to more of the deception in our "reality" does not mean you have any different potential to act in a manner that is biased toward what most would be considered evil, or one that may be considered good.

One can walk down a road, head down, minding ones own business, somewhat unattentive but still getting things done that need doing; or, one can do the same thing and smile at people, feel joy and gratitude etc. Same things get done, but there is a difference, and that mindful intent was also useful "action".

So I argue that no matter what, there is plenty that can be done, but it is just that there is more of a spiritual angle to it.

[Anu Raman]

Hmm.. sounds so much like me.... I don't believe. I experience.

Belief had long been discarded from my life because I prefer experience.....

When somebody comes up saying "I believe this, " "I believe this and that"... I just want to shut it off, and turn my ears off.

Belief is a powerful thing. It sure can ruin people and their lives. I know, because my elder brother died from it. He believed.. as so much, he died penniless..he lost everything because of what he believed..and in the end, his life. It was a factor of control over his life. It was sad. To me, belief is like a drug.. an addictive drug that once it's out of control.. things can turn sour very quickly.

Just saying! ... Is all.

[DeDukshyn]

If nothing else, input into the collective human consciousness. Its a thing.

[Johnnycomelately]

Good vibe in your example, Anchor. May I add, for people looking at that, that your intentions seem impersonal, and not motivated by a ‘helper’ attitude/complex. Give freely, or not at all.

Posted by Anchor (here)
In my sense the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds. They are all challenging to get right, they are all worth doing.
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So I argue that no matter what, there is plenty that can be done, but it is just that there is more of a spiritual angle to it.

[Isserley]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Perhaps I need to restate my meaning of actionable in reference to who said it. My family member said and meant it, not in the esoteric, but in a boots on the ground way.

Boots on the ground is too extreme. Action is also a decision not to get jabed for example.
I've made lots of decisions based on the knowledge acquired here.
Everything you taught your family member through the years will help him in raising his child, I'm sure.
Anchor said it perfectly ->
the definition of act includes thought, words and deeds.
There is an interesting book Thinking and Destiny by Percival on the subject.

[ExomatrixTV]

• "What You Do Not (Want To) Know, Won't Hurt You" ... Really? ... Willful Ignorance Is and Never Was Bliss ...

The price of assuming "you can do nothing" is much bigger than assuming you CAN do something ... maybe I should make a practical list of options what you can do if you are really informed what is going on and why it has nothing to do with being (or feeling) "incompetent" nor being "hopeless".

• There are multiple psychological layers why many people assume or feel they are "incompetent" to have a meaningful positive effect of anything.
• If millions of people say "what can 1 person do, it is no use" ... and all feel very similar with each-other without realizing it .... read again MILLIONS think that they are alone feeling incompetent to have a meaningful effect/impact >>> which is an obvious psychological paradox.
• To find like-minded people and organize meetings is what I did since 1990 ... I started giving lectures in local avenues 1990 for about 50 people then in 1991 about 100 people then in 1992: 550+ people (organizing conferences + being one of the speakers) then in 1994: 1100+ people in Amsterdam 🇳🇱 inviting among others David Icke to speak etc. etc.
• All of it helped me to be able to be on Dutch 🇳🇱 National TV 22 times and 100s of times on local media! >>> which created a chain-reaction of meeting new (very interesting) people inviting me all over the Netherlands!
• What really helped me was having my own Local Radio & TV shows between 1991 and 1998 in Amsterdam.
• Being co-founder of Exposure Magazine 1992 up to 1996 became Frontier Magazine 1996 up to 2010s
• All of it I never ever thought that it has "no effect" because I always felt the future vindication in the present.
  
• "False Pessimism versus (assumed "false") Optimism" ... and how to deal with setbacks or disappointments is also key going beyond defeatism attitudes.
• Being (allegedly) "realistic" is not the same as being (permanent) pessimistic ... but a lot of people assume they are "the same" and claim "higher moral ground" but are actually part of demoralization process that is 100% counter-productive.
• As always: how you see (judge) yourself is KEY in how reality unfolds in front of you ... as victim mentality mostly breeds more victim-reality!
• I rather be optimistic making mistakes >>> learn from it and move on to become better ... than being (permanent) pessimistic looking for any (lame) excuse to do nothing! ... That is a choice we eventually all have to make and live with that decision the rest of our lives.

cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
September 24, 2022 🦜🦋🌳

[Journeyman]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
What is to come of generations primed like this?
something has to give.

He sounds like he's made a logical choice. In the face of unparalleled levels of deception and corruption, there's a lot to be said for focussing on what you can change, yourself and trying to shield yourself from at least some of the corrosive news from elsewhere that does little on a day to day basis than sap morale. I kind of wish I'd made the same decision sometimes. It would certainly be easier to exist in this crazy world if I knew a little bit less of the deception it's built on.

As to what impact that mindset would have on a generational scale, well if everyone focussed on making good decisions for themselves based on rational thought processes the world would improve immeasurably, regardless of what the rogues were getting up to. So although it may not be an ideal approach, there's many worse ones he could be taking...

[araucaria]

Let me add something to my earlier post regarding diverging attitudes to the state of the world. Aligning with the younger generation makes a lot of sense to me, after not aligning myself with my older generation. I have been saying for some time that standing well back from the whole affair is valid and probably the wiser thing to do.

Taking just the business end of the current situation, where the action seems to be happening, I read the other day that Vladimir Putin learnt as a kid chasing a rat that no one should ever be cornered, because they will lash out. Now he finds himself cornered, or from his standpoint this is the West lashing out after getting itself into a corner. Either way, we are well into the MAD mutually assured destruction scenario, both sides with fingers on buttons like in some ghastly game show.

Shakespeare understood this perfectly. His whistle-blowing Hamlet acts mad, and even with ‘method to his madness’, in order to corner a ‘rat’, his word for the usurper Claudius, who lashes out, taking no chances with two poisonous weapons, a rapier and a cup of wine. You only die once, but Claudius gets a taste of both his own medicines, and in a sense Hamlet also dies twice over, once stabbed as prince, the second time committing a symbolic life-saving suicide to end his two-minute reign. For when his friend Horatio makes to drink the last of the poisoned chalice, he is prevented by the already mortally wounded Hamlet, who snatches it away from him. The only other survivor of this overkill in this rotten royal family of Denmark is the prince of… Norway, Fortinbras, who comes in to clean up the mess.

This suggests that mutually assured destruction is not specific to nuclear weaponry, but also that it can be limited to those directly involved. Nuclear warfare does not necessarily imply allout warfare to the last missile. And even evidence of previous planetary destruction says absolutely nothing about this time around. All is not lost, far from it.
There is a very real sense in which anyone getting caught up in this war, taking sides, even the ‘right’ side, is not going to ‘get out alive’, whatever that means. It probably means at the very least that one’s current assessment is already out of date and that true peace-making is about living the postwar peace as of now. Like charity, peace begins at home, it is both the medium and the message. Foreign wars are precisely that : foreign. Let’s keep it that way. The younger generation is a whole new ballgame from its parents’, and a fortiori anything else that preceded it. Old farts getting in the way is the problem, not the solution.

Nothing personal, Doug, as you know : I am your age

[Mari]

I generally keep well clear of the truther subject when around people, as I know that each and every one is on their own sacred path - it's not my business to butt in as you can't wake another up...they arrive at that in their own good time.
I've noticed, however, that those who are 'ready' will somehow gravitate to you (strangers even) and a conversation will start and before you know it, you are sharing with them certain truths about what's going on. You get a feeling that they're 'ready'.
This has happened to me countless times, usually with complete strangers and when it happens I feel a kind of electric 'charge' (can't describe it any other way!) and my personality changes from the usual British reserve to an evangelism that I'm at pains then to rein in - less I put them off, which you can so easily do.

We recently had family come to visit for a few hours. They were much too polite to sneer at our 'backwardness' (no smart tech/vaccinations/covid compliance whatsoever, and horror of horrors, our phones are little bigger than matchboxes and pay as you go...so flintstones era.... but we know what's said behind our backs.
One of them decided to stir things up a bit and said loudly 'who's for the fourth booster jab then?' (they're rolling them out soon in the UK) As I knew my partner would take the bait with her and start an all-out argument, I waded in, said 'you know we don't do that, why bring it up here?-subject closed!' That was that., nipped in the bud. She shut up.

I refuse to engage in the who's right?' argument. Can't be arsed, because if they haven't started to smell the stench by now...they're not going to. I can be serene with that, even with close family members.

[yelik]

Being informed and knowledgable changes you and your understanding of the world which in itself causes a small change in the right direction

[amor]

I may have posted this on Avalon before; can't remember at the moment, so here goes. It is the news that FAUCI et al have been telling us lies (you don't say!). If you go to: Stewpeters.com/Dr. Brian Ardis (also there is a Stewpeters.com video interview with Dr. Jane Ruby) you will learn that what the JABS and BOOSTER SHOTS contain are Synthesized King Cobra SNAKE VENOM and the Chinese Red Backed Krate SNAKE VENOM, wrapped in Hydrogel, which, in turn, is wrapped in strings of Magnetic Nano with north and south poles which link together with the iron in your blood to form long, fat strings which clog your blood vessels and heart valves to cause death.

The doctors say that when you go to the hospital with covid which is only a really bad influenza, that is used as an excuse to give you Remdesivir which paralyzes your
breathing mechanism in the brain. They then put you on the Respirator and proceed to administer the same kind of drugs used in criminal executions. In 9 days, on the outside, YOU ARE DEAD. This is deliberate murder for which the hospital, the doctors and nurses are paid a large sum according to the reports. THIS IS GLOBAL GENOCIDE. Stewpeters.com also has information about poisoning the water, etc. Those living in 35 cities are to be eliminated apparently. Doug, you better head south of the border down Mexico way. The song was prophetic. There is lots more for another time everyone.

[Mike Gorman]

Knowledge is always valuable, even if it might seem you cannot 'use it' at the point you have reached, I remember people asking me why I studied Philosophy way back when I was in my 20's - well that interest in the history of knowledge resulted in my becoming intrigued with computing, and networks, how logic could be employed in a practical sense, this has paid all of my bills and given me a decent standard of living over the past 25+ years, all because I graduated in a 'useless' subject which evolved into studying other subjects. Don't ever let people convince you of their futile vision of life, if they are too dim and lazy to bother looking above the parapet of mediocrity, that is their doom.

[thepainterdoug]

Thank again everyone. We are in a war on many levels

Mike Gorman, I like your response and your way of thinking

[ramus]

I to have people around me that don't understand ... I have a saying. .." I'm responsible for putting it out there, but not for the way they take it." I also realize that if they don't ask, they don't hear.

In not seeking their recognition... I don't get upset or frustrated.
Love the quote: it's easier to fool somebody than it is to convince them they have been fooled.

Along the same line is the concept of conformational bias ..confirmation bias, the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one’s existing beliefs, even though the fact say other wise

[Blastolabs]

It seems inevitable that to survive, eventually we are going to have to take action and stop contributing to the society we do not want to exist in, and instead contribute to OUR OWN society that is separate from the ghafla.

Ghafla is a Chakobsa term meaning "distraction".
In the book Dune Herbert used it to refer to political theater, he took this term directly from the Arabic where "Ghafla" means anything that distracts one from God .

[shaberon]

It is a tough issue, but we all "action" on each other constantly. Unfortunately, some are more powerful.

As an example, I would say one time I was pretty close to believing in the Green Party, because of course I agreed with the principles of environmentalism. But if you follow Maurice Strong, his idea was to make industrialized nations "go poof", a bit like what is happening to Germany now.


Well, it is a bit like slavery. If you just "end slavery", then you wake up with millions of unemployed homeless people.

Those options did not give any room for a smooth transition to new conditions.

If I don't have a case, such as damage from Covid injections because I never got them, I basically can just talk about it, which of course is far from the same.