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    Default What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

    It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

    Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

    But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

    He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

    He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
    He says, he will know about it when it happens.

    This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
    I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

    But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

    Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

    Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
    What is to come of generations primed like this?
    something has to give.
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    For many of us getting to the truth seems to be an all-important pursuit but I often wonder if running down the rabbit hole is worth the effort and aggravation. As I have said before sometimes we reach the bottom of a deep and convoluted rabbit hole only to find ourselves sitting with a bunch of like-minded rabbits without the capacity to change even one small truth we found. Sometimes I feel we should live as large a life as possible and leave the journey towards the truth to others. Just a thought.

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    It sounds like he's at least saved his own life, and his child to be fathers life in doing so.

    There is only so much anyone can process & deal with, and it sounds like his plate is pretty damn full right now, maybe his best interest is keeping a level head & stable emotional state.

    The thing is you've places a lot of ideas in his head, when things happen, and they will, ( because they already are, ) he won't see those things in the same way as someone without those ideas, he just can't.

    These things might not be that "actionable" now, but when they are, he'll have a far better idea of what action to take than a "normie".

    Have faith, not everyone is called to the Hallowed Hat of Tin like some of us.

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    I think some people have just had enough and feel powerless when it comes to action so ongoing discussions seem no longer interesting; they seem like a hassle and open-ended or unresolvable.

    I wouldn't take it personally; you know he really isn't going to bite on a topic you are interested in. Sometimes on PA I engage and sometimes I don't. Sometimes I'll write an entire response and just delete it. There is so many controversial discussions it is a wonder more people aren't triggered, to be honest. I do not disrupt family members with current events or problems. I already know we disagree on some things so it's best left unsaid. You know your family members best and is it worth pushing buttons for the sake of conversation?

    I had a family member scared to death over covid; she is still wearing 2 masks every time she goes out. We have a relative that is an M.D. and swore that the shots were okay. This just created a mess in the family. One in which I choose not to disrupt further especially due to emotions being easily derailed and causing extremely stressful situations. I feel I was sorta duped into taking 2 of the shots. The thing is, once the special military op started, there was no more discussion on shots and no more instigating more boosters. See, I am staying with a bunch of asylum seekers in a semi-government set up and they just come in and line everybody up for the shots. They basically said at the beginning no work or travel without them. But there was no pressure or intent with regard to 3rd or 4th boosters. All the masks went away. In the past few months on my trips to downtown for my errands I've seen only one person wearing a mask and that is it with the exception of an ambulance staff. Even the pharmacists stopped wearing masks. There is very little to no news at all about covid other than the speculation of a winter hassle. There are no health services visits of any kind at the centre.

    I save the truthing for the forum or online and choose an easier path with family members. I would just rather get along with family then to have any toxic or emotional situations. That does not mean that I seek toxicity elsewhere, it is just that more people in the truthing realms agree on the truthing discussions.
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Oh boy, I suspect this will be another really good thread...

    Ultimately, I can only change me.  But, I can model behaviors for others to see and hopefully emulate and I can also communicate ideas in a way that is consumable by those who hold different points of view (I call this planting seeds). 

    Regarding, the topic of 'actionable'...  Great word Doug.  It synthesizes the topic to its essence.  When I read that word, the following quote by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller popped into my mind.  This quote is engraved into the New England Holocaust memorial in Boston MA.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Finally, you mentioned that your family member is awaiting a new baby.  I am sure, he is aware of the crazy indoctrination and grooming curricula that is currently being taught across the country.  If he plans to send his kid to public school, does he participate and fight that battle now, or does he wait 6 years?  What will the state of education be at that time?  
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Vangelo

    well said, one correction , he is yet to have a child, but your point is well taken. what will he do in the future if he does nothing now.? will he home school his kids?
    But he would tell me, Ill worry about it then. I cant really argue with him.

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    As a question ....

    What is Actionable? Why bother to even share it?

    For me it is not what I can change in others .... A written script of a singular life is only changeable by the 'main character' playing out that 'fate' that they individually interact with!
    That the events unfold and each defines 'That which they are' via their considered or not reaction.

    For me .... the events and choices in MY story will define IF i continue as a self awareness .... or not!

    It is vastly more than this one place (or that is my thought)!
    Normal..!

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)


    Indeed. Ignorance is not bliss. It can, and under the circumstances most all of us are presently facing, it likely will cause personal and financial injury, if not destruction.

    With all respect to your family member, as well as those of mine who share the same point of view, intentional ignorance on these subjects is nothing short of selfishness and short-sightedness. Being situationally aware of one's surroundings, in the broadest sense, and being as prepared as one can be is no guarantee of success or survival, but not being situationally aware/prepared, is almost certainly a guarantee of failure.

    "If you fail to plan, you plan to fail." (I don't recall who to give attribution to for this quote. But, if I were like Biden and his ilk, I would not care.)

    In short, it is erroneous to conclude that the situation is not "actionable." Doing nothing is itself an action.
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    There's definitely a generational component, but that's only one variable among many (in my view).

    So much energy is spent on our individual journeys to truth that I find I have very little leftover to spend on anyone else. Besides, regardless of how much energy I do have, I'd need an endless reservoir just to convince the people in my immediate orbit of a few very basic truths (that they'd likely resist with all their might).

    My other reservation is this: even after spending all that time and energy at trying to reach someone(s), I still might be wrong about a few things. Or more than a few things! And I'd corrupt their journey unknowingly. And then they might even begin blaming me for their woes.

    The best approach for anyone, imo, is some combination of removing one's head from the sand, but also knowing when to abort that rabbit hole mission(s).

    You could easily spend your whole life going down rabbit holes. And people do that. I see it all the time, where folks use conspiracy or even spirituality as an excuse to avoid living. It's more escapism and less engagism.

    What good is all that spiritual power you imagine you possess if you're afraid of going to the grocery store? All this stuff like conspiracy (real or imagined), spirituality, spiritual practices, UFO's, and various other rabbit hole stuff is endlessly fascinating, fun, and engaging. But on the flip side it can often just be another way of being cowardly and afraid if you allow yourself to get lost in it an the expense of any kind of life outside it (i.e. everyday life/reality)

    I think those of us who have done some deep-diving have an obligation to drop clues here and there, to present info when the time is right, to nudge people along and so on, but not to spend our days trying to convert anyone to this or that point of view. In reality you can't really tell anyone anything, they have to find out for themselves
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    Mike/ yes true. Its sort of a "know when to hold em, know when to fold em" kinda thing. I remember when a hurricane was heading directly to florida, a guy was fanatical about getting wood and boarding up his windows etc.
    He actually died falling off his ladder.

    Yet waiting till the hurricane hits is not the answer.

    Lake/ agreed. However, I guess I get anxious knowing there is strength in numbers, and if we could only get all united, in agreement, we could fix this thing.
    its sometimes hard to hear someone telling you all about let's say, 9/11 , and they have no idea of what building 7 is?
    but bottom line, we are playing our role in our movie.

    Thanks Satori. We are always doing something.

    And I am thankful, and so is he that neither of them took the jab.

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    A tiny contribution here. I'm fortunate (very!) inasmuch as I have almost no friends who aren't 100% fully aware of almost everything happening in the world.

    Once in a rare while, I'm in touch with someone who may not understand, or who has a purely mainstream-propagandized view, about a certain issue (like 9/11, Ukraine, the vaxx, carbon emissions, electric cars, US imperialism, etc etc). What I almost always do is state something clearly but very politely and reasonably, and just once.

    Sometimes I also say: "Hey, I know you're very busy and don't have much time for all this, but if ever you'd like to know a little more, then please just ask and I'm always here to explain things better if somehow I can."

    So far, I've not got into any conflicts, or lost any friends, from that.

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    I don't share much of what I know with anyone, anymore. In my opinion that mission is over.

    Alternative news has gone mainstream in a way unforeseeable before 2014 and if anybody wants to know more about whistleblowers or subjects on new energy, extraterrestrial intelligence and alternative world history, they can find sleek, polished pages that will go as in-depth as they choose to go. And, they can do it in the privacy of their own homes or rooms, where nobody else except the owner of the wifi can tell.

    It's so hard, these days.

    There are those of us who have been researching these things for decades and know better than to count too heavily upon a single item of supposed fact being true, because we've seen it all before, and then there are those who have just recently come into awareness of some of these issues and they are really gung-ho and active and zealous about sharing that information, like a new Christian proselytizer or someone who has just 'seen the light' in whatever area of people knowledge.

    I don't know. In the end I guess, it is a personal choice. The most I'll do these days is share information about new tech and news about extraterrestrial/inner earth incursions/excursions, some news about what's going on with the sun and the planet, and information on spiritual awakening. Beyond that, it is all way too subjective.

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Thank you Doug – a very recognisable situation.

    My profession is coaching executives who wish to improve the quality of their communication. (I am aware that almost all words in this statement are just "fashionable" keywords of the power lingo Anglo-Saxon culture uses in the “West”. (None of these words exist in Russian.)) Recently, they – my clients, mostly Dutch and/or French speakers – have come up with “actionable” (“quoting” the English word in their French or Dutch) as if it were something particularly worth while doing, exclusive, the key to success. I usually stop their sophistication-signalling and ask them to phrase their idea in simple words.

    Doug, methinks your relative reads too many “management books”.

    Let’s have a look at Merriam Webster :

    actionable : adjective

    ac·​tion·​able | \ ˈak-sh(ə-)nə-bəl \
    Definition of actionable:
    1 : subject to or affording ground for an action or suit at law
    2 : capable of being acted on (ex.: actionable information)

    How hollow is the wider meaning of the two, the second one. “Capable of being acted on”. Is there anything incapable of being acted on? Absolutely everything and anything can be a ground for action, or an opportunity for action. Everything then being actionable, it means nothing.

    You might ask your relative, Doug, what he means precisely by "actionable". His adrenalin level may rise a bit and he even may mimic a few boxing moves and then say "you know... actionable!“ You may then nod with wrinkles on your forehead and other signs of your letting his little performance sink in.

    Then you might say the following: "...but, you know... I have heard these things, and that was "actionable" to me, so that my action has consisted in telling you about it."
    And even: "the fact that you have not wanted to be jabbed may have been induced at least in part by my telling you what I had heard or read (i.e. being “actionable” information prompting me to the action of informing you). So... it is clear that you have acted, after having been warned or informed by me about it ... and it is great that you acted by taking this decision not to be jabbed. So... are you telling me now that this information is not "actionable" for you in the sense that you are not going to inform others about it?"

    I am almost sure he will confirm this.

    And you see, that is the problem. Even I, who am enraged by the fact that public authorities have (unsuccessfully) tried to mislead me, am not necessarily going to inform others about what I know (am not going to induce action by others upon the “information” I obtained). I am not going to do it when I guess my informing them may actually harden them in their choosing the path towards catastrophy. And I am even nearing the conclusion that anything I might say may make it worse. That holds for "Covid" and for the Nato-Russia conflict. Maybe the Belgians have to suffer massively from the fallout of a tactical nuke on Nato HQs between Brussels and Brussels Airport – maybe it is what it takes to make their leaders shiver at the consequences of their foolishness.

    Maybe “the things I know” are actionable to the extent that I take the action not to spread the news, and not to inform them, because I think that I cannot take their responsibility from them and put it on my shoulders.

    But if somebody comes to me and asks me “Michel, I don’t know what is best any more, what do you think?” – telling this person what I feel is the action I will take.
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    Red face Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A tiny contribution here. I'm fortunate (very!) inasmuch as I have almost no friends who aren't 100% fully aware of almost everything happening in the world.

    Once in a rare while, I'm in touch with someone who may not understand, or who has a purely mainstream-propagandized view, about a certain issue (like 9/11, Ukraine, the vaxx, carbon emissions, electric cars, US imperialism, etc etc). What I almost always do is state something clearly but very politely and reasonably, and just once.

    Sometimes I also say: "Hey, I know you're very busy and don't have much time for all this, but if ever you'd like to know a little more, then please just ask and I'm always here to explain things better if somehow I can."

    So far, I've not got into any conflicts, or lost any friends, from that.
    I seem to pull in similar acquaintances. Mostly I encounter like-minded communications.
    I acknowledge in communication the other questioning mainstream lies and if someone agrees with some mainstream propaganda I become the one "planting" some doubt, but I don't fight another's belief because this leads just to him asserting to be right.
    I don't engage in communications which lead to pissing contests. I acknowledge sincerity and truth and individual expertise and leave group think alone.
    My footer sums it up.
    "The greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches, but to reveal to him his own."
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I recently had a contentious debate with a family member of 37 years old.

    It came down to this; if it is not actionable for him, then why bring it up and disrupt his life with the info I have learned ?

    Upon thinking on this, I have to now agree with him, especially based on where he is at in his life.

    But this creates a problem and it seems now unavoidable. He is actually censoring me and my behavior. He does not want to hear it anymore. Covid, jabs, dems, repubs, marxism, commie, Biden ,Trump etc. He's heard it all, regardless of if I know he hasn't.

    He says, so what ? what can I do about it ? Voting is what he will do, but thats it and he took the advice and never got jabbed. SO REALLY GOOD! He is in no way unaware.

    He does not believe in anything Gov, or institution, and probably doesn't believe anything will even happen, regardless of knowing about it or not.
    He says, he will know about it when it happens.

    This has me thinking its a generational thing. I was out protesting in the 70ies aginst the Vietnam war. And since I have been down the rabbit hole, looking deeply into things .
    I was just waking and discovering that the MSM maybe isn't telling the entire story back then

    But today, what does he have to go on? He is trying to start a business and survive. Married, no child as of yet ,with a lot of pressure on him and cannot trust a thing he hears or sees.

    Perhaps for me and others like me, knowing this stuff is sort of a hobby or a habit that is hard to kick? The pursuit of "truth" so to speak , is not in his interest.

    Thoughts? anyone else having similar?
    What is to come of generations primed like this?
    something has to give.
    I see it this way. You brought up your kids. This means you ‘vaccinated’ them against all known dangers. In other words you gave them the best available tools to face life a generation down the line. You have to trust them to adapt those tools to any new situation and pass on what they learn to any offspring. You must accept that you no longer have any parental authority, meaning that your personal wisdom is one thing, and their personal wisdom is another. However, surrendering parental authority is the way to maintain some kind of parental influence. Children grow up, parents need to grow up all over again. It shouldn’t be too difficult: just trust them. They are doing things differently, and in my experience much better, although you may not even see it. In a sense, the roles are reversed. That’s life.


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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Those are good questions - lots of it is actionable, take it from someone who has a 4-month-old child and whose head is not in the sand, far from it.

    I recently talked about the same topic with a friend who is the same age as i am (late 30s). She is very aware of everything as I am, she has not been jabed and does not trust the system.
    I was in my panic mode as usual and I told her how I was afraid of everything that was coming our way and I have a child and things are more difficult for me now because having a small child means a lot of organization in every sense - going through a crisis with her would be unimaginable to me. I have to protect her from vaccines, radiation, bad curricula at school.. everything! (See thread about Free Range Kids by Masha)

    So my friend told me - "why are you freaking out, this is not the first crisis or the first war, so we lived through the war in Croatia in the 90s, there were also economic crises before and after that, it does not mean that life has stopped. On the contrary, difficult times create strong people. The decision to have a child at this moment is not only yours. This child has also decided to come right in this time."

    My opinion is that the situation is not as bad as it seems to the average avalon forum user. Here on PA we have a microcosm of very conscious people, perhaps too conscious to lead a "normal" life. They see too much of this bilge around them and it disables and enlightens them at the same time. It is important not to be "militant" when sharing your knowledge.

    Without further ado - I'm aware of everything, but I can't let it paralyze me. I have a responsibility a child and I will try to protect her in all possible ways without "damaging" her with my protection
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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    Many thanks to each and every one of you .
    I cannot mention you all, but I take away something "actionable" from everything said.

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    Dear Doug

    My life began in 1936 and I have witnessed many things in this holy time given me to experience and learn!
    I realised many years ago that one cannot change another, no matter how close they are, or how much one would like to put an old head on young shoulders, it just cannot be done. Wisdom comes with age and peace with acceptance!

    My four daughters and seven grandchildren must make their own choices, but it is for me to love them and set an example! They know my views are outside the box of the matrix but the relationships are all loving and strong. No judgement just acceptance!

    Yet in the great scheme of things we are all one consciousness and invisibly connected to every living being on Planet Earth, be it human, animal, plant or mineral, so it is up to us to be the very best we can be in the circumstances we find ourselves in.

    Yes, the world is upside down, there are wars and rumours of wars, and world karma is being played out before our eyes, and it is not pleasant. Man is facing the results of his actions. We are faced with the shadow side of ourselves, the things we have refused to look at but are being forced to now. It is payback time! In other lives and other times we have all acted out the film we are watching daily.

    Cancel fear!

    We all have the opportunity to paint another picture on the canvas other than the one that is being presented to us. The palette is in our hands and we can choose the shades and colours, some dark and some light, to illumine the life we are living.
    Time to let go with love and create a new and glorious masterpiece 🌟

    Love and blessings from my heart to yours❤️

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    Default Re: What is Actionable? Why bother to even share information with others?

    "Actionable" only counts as far your intention can carry it.

    If your intention is miss informed or otherwise screwed up, what can 'action' do but add to the chaos or maybe just mass inertia caused by macro and micro dualistic counter force. The evil genius is a magic that has got all that figured into it's method.

    You want to know what action really is?

    Banish evil. Call upon the creator to assist you. You'll surprise yourself and maybe wonder why the hell you didn't get started a lot sooner than this 1 second to midnight moment.
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