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    Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Isn’t Disabled ! Jmmy dore --7/10/22--14 min

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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Russia ready to send gas to EU via Nord Stream 2 — Minister
    Supplies are possible through the undamaged string of the pipeline, according to Aleksander Novak

    Russia is able to supply gas to the European Union through a string of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that that was not damaged by the recent sabotage, Deputy Prime Minister Aleksander Novak has told RIA Novosti.

    The former energy minister described the attempts to destroy Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 as deliberate.

    “Unfortunately, due to sabotage, one string [of Nord Stream 2] was damaged, and an examination is required to make further decisions on the fate of the string,” Novak explained.

    “As for the second string, it is ready, fully built, and if the necessary legal decisions are made by our European colleagues regarding the certification and removal of restrictions, I think Russia could provide appropriate supplies through this string of the gas pipeline in a short time,” he said.

    The Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines abruptly lost pressure on September 26, following a series of powerful underwater explosions off the Danish island of Bornholm. The incident caused massive gas leaks, with large volumes entering the sea. The ruptures are widely considered to be the result of sabotage, carried out by an unknown party.


    The deputy premier also said that neither the operator of the Nord Stream project, nor Gazprom or industrial regulator Rostekhnadzor, were allowed to investigate the incidents on the pipelines, adding that an objective probe requires the participation of Russian professionals.

    Earlier this week, the operators of the two gas pipelines said they were unable to inspect the damaged sections because of restrictions imposed by the Danish and Swedish authorities.

    Nord Stream 2 AG, the Switzerland-based operator, said on Tuesday it would examine the condition of the leaking pipelines once a police investigation of the “crime scene” is completed and a cordon is lifted. Later Nord Stream AG, operator of the older Nord Stream 1 pipeline, said it had been told by Danish authorities that receiving the necessary permits to carry out an inspection could take over 20 working days.

    Meanwhile, unnamed sources told CNN that Washington is considering offering to use its most advanced underwater sound reading capabilities to analyse audio recordings from around the time of the Nord Stream gas pipelines’ apparent sabotage.

    Russia earlier called rupturing of the pipelines a terrorist attack. While those behind it have not yet been identified, Moscow has suggested the US was to blame.

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    Quote Posted by Vicus (here)

    Nord Stream 2 AG, the Switzerland-based operator,
    Nord Stream AG [ AG is the Swiss form of Inc or Ltd ]

    Who We Are


    Nord Stream AG, based in Zug, Switzerland, is an international consortium of five major companies established in 2005 for the planning, construction and subsequent operation of two 1,224-kilometre natural gas pipelines through the Baltic Sea.

    The five shareholders of the Nord Stream consortium are Gazprom international projects LLC (PJSC Gazprom subsidiary), Wintershall Dea AG (formerly Wintershall Holding GmbH), PEG Infrastruktur AG (E.ON), N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie and ENGIE. Gazprom international projects LLC holds a 51 percent stake in the pipeline project.

    Leading German energy companies Wintershall Dea AG and PEGI/E.ON hold 15.5 percent each, and the Dutch natural gas infrastructure company N.V. Nederlandse Gasunie, along with the leading French energy provider ENGIE, each hold a 9 percent stake. The combined experience of these companies ensures the best technology, safety and corporate governance for the Nord Stream project, which aims to provide a secure energy supply for Europe.

    The twin pipelines, which have been operational since 2011 and 2012 respectively, have the capacity to transport a combined total of about 55 bcm of gas a year – that's enough to satisfy the energy demand of more than 26 million European households. Nord Stream has designed the pipelines to operate for at least 50 years.

    Total investment in the pipeline system was 7.4 billion euros. This financing stemmed partly from Nord Stream's shareholders, which provided 30 percent of the project costs through equity contributions proportionate to their shares in the joint venture. Some 70 percent was financed externally by means of project financing from banks and export credit agencies.


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    Never mind, lol
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Bushcraft Bear has posted that the island of Bornholm that has about 40,000 residents was without electricity from 8am this morning, with power restored to about a third of residents at 9.35am, due to damage to an underwater cable.

    He also discussed damage to the Deutsche Bahn, Germany's railway system due to severed cables on 8 October, and smaller communities in Germany preparing for a blackout.

    Video is 3:19 minutes.


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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Quote Gazprom just released these photos of a NATO Seafox drone that was found right next to Nord Stream 1 in 2015. The drone failed to detonate. NATO was caught red-handed and claimed the drone was lost during exercises. They tried it before. Go figure.

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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Drones do not have a cable attached like that; that alone makes me highly question this. (the pictures at least)

    Do not think we are not DEEP into an information war, we are...

    why does the first screen shot have control data out puts and also, why is there a date on the screen that seems to indicate 06/11 (2011?) 2011 is when the pipeline was initiated... so that probably was an inspection devise...

    I dunno, this seems like bs to me... and obvious BS at that.




    I suggest watching this entire video, but this link ( https://youtu.be/P6zWLu29Z8I?t=1555 ) will show you a hilarious reaction that is ,... uh... very telling



    to me this is much better than the "red herring" drone theory from the links above...but still, it's very important to see how this is playing out; and I think we are seeing it very clearly right here.
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    ...

    ... from Jim Stone:
    SWEDEN DISCOVERED AN ALLY DID NORD STREAM

    and it was not just a hole, long stretches of the pipeline are no longer present.

    Sweden is so worried other allies will say who did it that Germany and Denmark have been blocked from helping in the investigation. that means one of two things. 1. The United States. 2. Israel. they certainly would not be shutting other countries out if Haiti did it. Sweden was going to have Germany and Denmark join the investigation until an easy and inconvenient answer was found, which caused them to declare a "security classification too high to share" with allies..

    Der Spiegel had this:

    "Contrary to plans, Sweden, Denmark and Germany will not form a joint investigation team to investigate the leaks from the Nord Stream pipelines. According to SPIEGEL information, Sweden rejected the establishment of an international "Joint Investigation Team" (JIT). According to information from security circles, Sweden is said to have justified its refusal on the grounds that the security classification of its investigation results was too high to share them with other states.

    Translation: an ally of Sweden did it and Sweden is shutting up until the tail can be put on the "right" donkey, IF it can be put on one at all. and it is SO BAD that other allies can't even know.

    This has gotten so bad that Sweden seized the evidence they found on the seabed and shut up:

    "Shortly after the sabotage at the end of September, the German government decided that German investigators should participate in the investigation. Last week, the federal police and the Bundeswehr sent two military boats to one of the damage sites. A "Sea Cat" underwater drone was launched there. Sweden had previously inspected the scene southeast of the Baltic island and also seized evidence on the seabed.

    No comment was initially available from the Swedish side. The security service referred to the Ministry of Justice. The Ministry of Justice referred to the security service. In Berlin it was said to the Swedish refusal, one hopes nevertheless for a co-operation with authorities there.

    The German investigators should now first evaluate the images of the "Sea Cat" underwater drone. A larger crater, indicating a massive explosion, is said to be visible on it. In addition, the pipeline is said to be completely disrupted over a longer length, possibly because the current washed away parts of the pipe after the sabotage action.

    So far there are only speculations about those behind the sabotage action. The only thing that is clear is that on September 26 there were several massive explosions under water near the course of the two Nord Stream pipelines. The detonations were so violent that several institutes that normally monitor earthquakes registered significant seismic swings. According to an initial analysis, the German authorities believe that an explosive force comparable to 500 kilograms of TNT was required."

    This is a hot potato, so I captured the report to prevent it from vanishing.









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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Germany says that they know who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. But, "for reasons of national security", they aren't going to tell.

    Just a few of the excellent points made by Alexander Mercouris here:

    • This means it clearly was not Russia that blew it up (as if that idea ever made any sense at all )

    • The big winner in the pipeline situation will be Turkey . Now Europe will pay retail for gas from Turkey (which could be Russian, Azerbajani or other, who knows) instead of getting it wholesale directly from Russia.

    • Germany is not a democracy any longer. Any many other NATO countries too. Politicians have been brought and paid for by secret interests.



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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    • Sweden Finally REVEALS Who DESTROYED the Nord Stream Pipelines!:

    • Nord Stream pipeline damage captured in underwater footage – video
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Sweden Finally REVEALS Who DESTROYED the Nord Stream Pipelines!:
    Since John obviously has not had the opportunity to read the thread How should members most helpfully share videos?, I will bullet point the video so you don't have to waste 7 minutes and 46 seconds on this video:
    • Sweden absolutely does NOT reveal anything new about who blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline

    • If you have been following this story, nothing new is revealed in the video

    • But if you want to get a discount on My Pillow, there are special discount codes revealed here. Also, lots of appeals to subscribed to his channel so you can get more misleading clickbait headlines in your youtube feed.

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • Sweden Finally REVEALS Who DESTROYED the Nord Stream Pipelines!:

    Since John obviously has not had the opportunity to read the thread How should members most helpfully share videos?, I will bullet point the video so you don't have to waste 7 minutes and 46 seconds on this video:
    • Sweden absolutely does NOT reveal anything new about who blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline
    • If you have been following this story, nothing new is revealed in the video
    • But if you want to get a discount on My Pillow, there are special discount codes revealed here. Also, lots of appeals to subscribed to his channel so you can get more misleading clickbait headlines in your youtube feed.


    What I remembered him saying is, that by NOT sharing any evidence (but at the same time claiming they possesses the evidence but refuse to share it) is actually evidence that Russia was not behind it ... because >> if ... again: IF the evidence is pointing at Russia being responsible >>> Sweden 🇸🇪 (as a new Nato member) would gladly show the evidence to the rest of the world ... but they did not!
    • So what Sweden 🇸🇪 did actually reveal .. is that they have the evidence but refuse to share it to the rest of the world ... not even to the Danish ... Why?
    • Just maybe Nato told (or demanded) Sweden 🇸🇪 to hide the truth?
    "Geo-Psychological Warfare" ???

    And indeed I should have shared this additional intel/insight ... I was about to do that but I got unexpected visitors at my home ... so sorry for not following the Project Avalon guidelines fast enough!

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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    What I remembered him saying is, that by NOT sharing any evidence (but at the same time claiming they posses evidence but refuse to share it) is actually evidence that Russia was not behind it ... because >> if ... again: IF the evidence is pointing at Russia being responsible >>> Sweden (as a new Nato member) would gladly show the evidence to the rest of the world ... but they did not!
    Okay, from this John, it is apparent that you did watch this video, that's good to know ! Yes, he did make an attempt to justify his clickbait title, but it was pathetic, illogical, and clearly an attempt to just get clicks and kickbacks from the my pillow guy.

    Steve Turley defies the laws of language and logic to make outrageous claims. Let's break that down.

    The title: Sweden Finally REVEALS Who DESTROYED the Nord Stream Pipelines!!!

    The first statement in the video: "Sweden just revealed who destroyed the Nord Stream Pipe line."
    The word to look at in the title is "Finally" and in the "Just" in the statement. To say "just revealed" and "finally revealed" clearly mean that at some point Sweden, or the spokespeople of the government, made a revelation, a statement, that was awaited. So Sweden did say they knew who caused the sabotage of the Nord Stream, but they would not reveal it because of reasons of "national security." From reading the words "finally" and "just", one would logically assume Sweden made another statement since that time. But they didn't.

    So then Turley tries to make the inference that Sweden's continued silence indicates that there is a certain perpetrator behind the sabotage. While one could make an argument that the silence of a speaker might have certain inferences or implication, Turley doesn't really explain how in any meaningful or logical way why Sweden's silence implicates any individuals or groups. Also, the words "just" and "finally" indicate that something happened at a definite instance of time since Sweden made their initial statement. But nothing ever happened.

    The other misleading word in both the video title is "Who". Turley claims he is going to tell us who destroyed the pipeline. He never does. Even though the title claims he is going to tell us "who".

    Quote so sorry for not following the Project Avalon guidelines fast enough!
    I don't think there are any absolute guidelines here, just ideas. And from what you said now, I think now the problem here is more with how Turley presented it than what you said about it, so I apoligize if I had implied otherwise.

    But, one new suggestion (which I should probably add to the other thread) is that when you are posting, it isn't always clear what personalities are in the video. Sometimes the video image or title tells you, but often times not. I know now if I see the name "Steve Turley" in the description to avoid it for the steaming mess of bull excrement clickbait that it is.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Drones do not have a cable attached like that; that alone makes me highly question this. (the pictures at least)

    Do not think we are not DEEP into an information war, we are...

    why does the first screen shot have control data out puts and also, why is there a date on the screen that seems to indicate 06/11 (2011?) 2011 is when the pipeline was initiated... so that probably was an inspection devise...

    "Munitions Object Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline has been Successfully Cleared"
    I dunno, this seems like bs to me... and obvious BS at that.




    I suggest watching this entire video, but this link ( https://youtu.be/P6zWLu29Z8I?t=1555 ) will show you a hilarious reaction that is ,... uh... very telling



    to me this is much better than the "red herring" drone theory from the links above...but still, it's very important to see how this is playing out; and I think we are seeing it very clearly right here.
    Yeah not sure about the pictures, but this article, from the Nordstream website is dated Nov 12 2015. Date authenticity supported by google date search. They do not, however, go into details about the device.

    https://www.nord-stream.com/press-in...y-cleared-478/


    Here mentions a remote cable attached to the drone, but no mention that it belongs to NATO, also from 2015.

    https://www.pipeline-journal.net/new...tream-pipeline
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    The past is interesting, but I think it is probably irrelevant for this. Logs of traffic patterns, plus that the odds of some sub slinking in there unnoticed are lower than a hare racing the proper course against the tortoise (tortoise wins that one, but normally FAST and steady wins the race ~8) ).

    About the apparent length of pipe damaged (50 m?), thought that that might indicate a line charge as is used to clear a path through minefields. Any means would leave a signature, but I doubt we public will ever see the data. I’d bet that North Korea wishes they could do this kind of thing.

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    So, I wonder, when does work get going on repairing the pipeline, winter is coming. Europe needs gas.

    Has anyone here seen anything in the media ( alt included ) of public talking heads taking about getting cracking at it ?
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    So, I wonder, when does work get going on repairing the pipeline, winter is coming. Europe needs gas.

    Has anyone here seen anything in the media ( alt included ) of public talking heads taking about getting cracking at it ?
    I've heard nothing more than Putin offers. I read somewhere this morning that Putin was interested in installing a second Turk stream, however I can't find where I read that.
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    Somewhere I read it could take months and even a year to fix these pipelines. It is not a quick fix at all. Europe is in a pickle.

    I'll try to find where I read that, right when it happened and reupdate here.


    Quote The repairs to the Kvitebjørn pipeline took five months and the Mediterranean pipeline was operational again nine months after the accident. At Nord Stream it is likely to take even longer due to the unusual circumstances.
    This is a good article: https://globelivemedia.com/article/h...x-nord-stream/
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    Damaged cable leaves Shetland cut off from mainland




    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-63326102


    More likely damaged by a stealthy submarine sneaking around.


    I'm off to recheck one of Monkey Worx US's videos where I think I saw Sub hunter activity in that exact area.



    Here's the part of the video I was thinking of.

    https://youtu.be/fcIiVbfJb3M?t=524

    It's in the right place.



    I've had another thought. The cables could have been silenced ( somehow ) deliberately so that sub hunting sensors can have a quieter background noise floor to work with ?
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

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    Damaged cable leaves Shetland cut off from mainland




    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-63326102


    More likely damaged by a stealthy submarine sneaking around.


    I'm off to recheck one of Monkey Worx US's videos where I think I saw Sub hunter activity in that exact area.



    Here's the part of the video I was thinking of.

    https://youtu.be/fcIiVbfJb3M?t=524

    It's in the right place.



    I've had another thought. The cables could have been silenced ( somehow ) deliberately so that sub hunting sensors can have a quieter background noise floor to work with ?
    Isn't there a NATO early warning site in Shetland?
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