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    The following posts are from ASB military. I didn't include links as there are many with with each post containing a small amount of text.

    “Incident at Nord Stream occurred in a zone controlled by US intelligence” - Russian Foreign Ministry

    Trump: “Sabotage of NS pipeline could leave to a further escalation or even war.”

    “NATO will respond to any deliberate attack on its critical infrastructure” - alliance statement

    Sounds like someone is scared of retaliation for something they’ve done🤔

    We can be almost certain that there will be a retaliation to this — somewhere, by someone. Give it a few days. Now is the most dangerous time of the last 7 months, by far

    The U.S. was always extremely worried about its underwater internet cables, that’s one area that is impossible to watch and can be sabotaged extremely easily.


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    "Last night, I heard and read the White House press secretary’s explanations, which are not even ridiculous any longer, they are pathetic, and they evoke deep sympathy and pity," Zakharova

    White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre’s attempts to explain away US President Joe Biden’s remarks about ending the Nord Stream 2 project were pathetic, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told the Soloviev Live TV channel

    “Speaking of where the NS incident occurred; There have been allegations that those are neutral waters and so on. But in fact, that is the exclusive economic zone of Denmark and Sweden, the very NATO-centric countries that are stuffed with US-made weapons and which are fully controlled by American intelligence agencies, who have full control over the situation over there," - Zakharova

    Moscow insists on a probe into the circumstances of "unprecedented attacks" on Russian Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, the Russian embassy to the United States said on Wednesday.

    "We note the attempts by some U.S. legislators to put blame on Russia for the incidents that occurred on Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines," it said. "Perhaps, they have a better view from the top of Capitol Hill. But if that is the case, they must also have seen the U.S. warships’ activities at the very site of the Russian infrastructure disruption just the day before. Or noticed drones and helicopters fly over there. Or observed U.S. Navy exercises with underwater explosives that have been conducted in the same area some time ago. Finally, they should have recalled the promises made by President Biden to "bring an end" to the Nord Stream 2 project."

    "What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture? The answer is on the surface. The decades-long energy trade between Moscow and Europe has long turned into an eyesore for Washington strategists. Unable to offer a decent alternative to reliable and, no less importantly, cheap supplies of gas, the U.S. decided to "squeeze out" Russia as a competitor using non-market methods and sanctions," the embassy noted. "Washington is trying hard to get its allies hooked on an expensive and environmentally unfriendly "LNG needle".

    "For our part, we insist on the need for a comprehensive and objective examination of the circumstances of the unprecedented attacks on Russian pipelines. To discuss this issue, the Russian Federation will convene an extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council,"
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    US denies 'preposterous' claim they 'sabotaged' Nord Stream 2 - as Trump shares video of Biden promising to 'bring an end' to pipeline and asks 'World War III anyone?'

    Quote The US government is denying 'preposterous' allegations that it is behind a gas leak in the Baltic Sea on Wednesday.

    It comes as Donald Trump suggested that 'World War III' could be near while sharing a video of President Joe Biden threatening to stop Russia's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

    Mysterious and alarming leaks were found in both Nord Stream pipelines this week, prompting the European Union to call it the result of a 'deliberate act.'

    Multiple accusations have already been lobbed at the Kremlin amid ever-growing hostilities over its illegal invasion of Ukraine.

    Meanwhile Moscow is pointing the finger at the United States, declaring that Washington is 'obliged' to explain its alleged role in the 'sabotage.'

    A US official denied the accusations, according to the Washington Post. DailyMail.com has reached out to the White House for comment.

    Trump also appeared to back Russia's theory on Wednesday when he posted on his Truth Social app a video of Biden from early February pledging to 'bring an end to' Nord Stream 2 if Vladimir Putin's forces invaded Ukraine.

    'Wow, what a statement. World War III anyone?' Trump wrote along with the video.

    The same video was also shared by the Russian government on Wednesday while suggesting Biden was behind the explosions that led to the Baltic Sea leaks.

    Asked for clarification on his stance, Trump's spokesman Taylor Budowich said 'the statements speak for themselves.'

    He also referred DailyMail.com to an earlier post where Trump offered to lead negotiations between Russia and Ukraine while warning current US leaders to not 'make matters worse.'

    'U.S. "Leadership" should remain "cool, calm, and dry" on the SABOTAGE of the Nord Stream Pipelines. This is a big event that should not entail a big solution, at least not yet,' the former president wrote.

    'The Russia/Ukraine catastrophe should NEVER have happened, and would definitely not have happened if I were President. Do not make matters worse with the pipeline blowup.'

    Explosions preceded three gas leaks in the Nord Stream Pipelines in Europe's Baltic Sea

    Biden said on February 7, 2022 that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which he waived sanctions on, could be stopped if Russia invaded Ukraine

    He ended with, 'Be strategic, be smart (brilliant!), get a negotiated deal done NOW. Both sides need and want it. The entire World is at stake. I will head up group???'

    And just before that, Trump compared the pipelines' gas leak to the potentially devastated storm heading for the state of Florida. He said Hurricane Ian was not as 'important' as the damage in Europe's waters.

    'Everyone is talking about the big hurricane barreling into Florida, as they should be, but perhaps a far more important event in the longer term was the announcement that the Nord Stream I & II Pipelines out of Russia...has been SABOTAGED,' he wrote in the earliest of the three posts.

    'This could lead to major escalation, or War!'

    In that statement Trump also stated he brought the pipelines 'to the World's attention as President when I explained how crippling reliance on it could be for Germany and other parts of Europe.'

    'Everybody laughed at the time, but they are not laughing anymore!' he wrote.

    During his presidency Trump did approve sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline between Germany and Russia, which was near completion when the penalties were levied in December 2019.

    Trump captioned his re-Truth of Biden's February comments with: 'Wow, what a statement. World War III anyone?'

    He also volunteered to lead US negotiations to solve the crisis between Russia and Ukraine

    Trump's earliest of the three Nord Stream posts on Wednesday morning appeared to compare the leaks with Hurricane Ian

    Biden waived US objection to the pipeline just several months into his White House term.

    But it was soon halted again, this time by Germany, whose government canceled the plans in opposition to Russia recognizing parts of eastern Ukraine as independent pro-Kremlin states.

    Putin launched his invasion just a few days later.

    Nord Stream 1 was similarly out of operation due to Russia's war on Ukraine.

    Though Nord Stream 2 never begun operations, it was full with gas by the time it was halted. Climate scientists fear the repercussions of the leak could be disastrous.

    Sharing Biden's early February warnings on stopping the pipeline, the Kremlin's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on social media: 'Biden is obliged to answer the question of whether the US carried out its threat.'

    'We must be responsible for our words,' the Putin puppet said, according to the Associated Press. 'Europe must know the truth.'
    Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-Kremlin.html
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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    We now know who did it!!!!


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    Default Re: Nord Stream 1 & 2 Pipeline Sabotage

    a Russian passport found floating in the the nearby waters of the sabotaged pipelines found?
    an incriminating terrorist pilots passport found on the streets below the wt centers after the planes hit and the towers collapsed?
    could this be a copycat caper ?

    surely, this seals it all up!

    great posts everyone!!

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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    "What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture? The answer is on the surface. The decades-long energy trade between Moscow and Europe has long turned into an eyesore for Washington strategists. Unable to offer a decent alternative to reliable and, no less importantly, cheap supplies of gas, the U.S. decided to "squeeze out" Russia as a competitor using non-market methods and sanctions," the embassy noted. "Washington is trying hard to get its allies hooked on an expensive and environmentally unfriendly "LNG needle".
    Can anyone explain to me what makes LNG environmentally unfriendly?
    (I would like to understand it better)
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    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    "What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture? The answer is on the surface. The decades-long energy trade between Moscow and Europe has long turned into an eyesore for Washington strategists. Unable to offer a decent alternative to reliable and, no less importantly, cheap supplies of gas, the U.S. decided to "squeeze out" Russia as a competitor using non-market methods and sanctions," the embassy noted. "Washington is trying hard to get its allies hooked on an expensive and environmentally unfriendly "LNG needle".
    Can anyone explain to me what makes LNG environmentally unfriendly?
    (I would like to understand it better)
    Thanks
    I'm pretty sure it burns clean with no emissions.

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    As far as I know, LNG is transported by ships. These are probably still big polluters even though new cleaner fuel standards came in recently ( in the last year or two).

    Quote Posted by TomKat (here)
    Quote Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    "What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture? The answer is on the surface. The decades-long energy trade between Moscow and Europe has long turned into an eyesore for Washington strategists. Unable to offer a decent alternative to reliable and, no less importantly, cheap supplies of gas, the U.S. decided to "squeeze out" Russia as a competitor using non-market methods and sanctions," the embassy noted. "Washington is trying hard to get its allies hooked on an expensive and environmentally unfriendly "LNG needle".
    Can anyone explain to me what makes LNG environmentally unfriendly?
    (I would like to understand it better)
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    I'm pretty sure it burns clean with no emissions.

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    on Coast radio, Jjohn Hogue said there were US Navy divers doing a drill in the area before the explosion. He also said the US wants to keep Germany contained.

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    When the news broke and the u.s. was quickly accused; I sort of had my doubts if we are talking a typical american leadership. What america does not have is a typical american leadership so I guess all bets are off.

    The interesting idea to point out is 1 was barely in service and had maintenance concerns and 2 was never online. Europe said it would respond to any attacks on its infrastructure at the time the leaks were discovered. The part that is interesting is Europe is done with the Russian gas? Or they were 'not done yet?' It's sort of a mute point. If they were not done yet, they sure are now.

    There is also alt-media presenters noting the idea of collaboration without much detail. Sort of like the americans and someone else. Well, if that is possible, Germany might have agreed to end the pipelines for good. [The timing is a little off. Usually there is precise timing of certain actions.]

    There is a little bit of updates here in Ireland. Basically, no one knows for sure and an investigation is pending.

    I discovered that 1 & 2 are about 8o-11o metres deep. I do not think frogmen dive that deep so some sophisticated equipment to include submarines which are more than capable at this depth is interesting to note.

    They think the gas leaks will be secured by Monday.
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    Suspicious US Activity Around Gas Pipes, Confirmed - Dirty NATO Tactics?


    Quote US Military helicopters were circling the area of the Nord Stream pipeline leaks for hours just days before the explosions happened, according to air scanners.

    A Navy Sikorsky MH-60R Seahawk helicopter hovered over the location in the Baltic Sea for three days in a row on September 1, 2 and 3, while a NH90 military helicopter of the Dutch Navy was also flying in the area monitoring American activity on September 2. Further flights over leak areas were detected on September 22 and 26.

    Surely not a coincidence - NATO's direct action begins?
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    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Suspicious US Activity Around Gas Pipes, Confirmed - Dirty NATO Tactics?


    Quote US Military helicopters were circling the area of the Nord Stream pipeline leaks for hours just days before the explosions happened, according to air scanners.

    A Navy Sikorsky MH-60R Seahawk helicopter hovered over the location in the Baltic Sea for three days in a row on September 1, 2 and 3, while a NH90 military helicopter of the Dutch Navy was also flying in the area monitoring American activity on September 2. Further flights over leak areas were detected on September 22 and 26.

    Surely not a coincidence - NATO's direct action begins?
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    any radar screen captures, or photos, or is this just a "sources say" type of thing
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by justntime2learn (here)
    Suspicious US Activity Around Gas Pipes, Confirmed - Dirty NATO Tactics?


    Quote US Military helicopters were circling the area of the Nord Stream pipeline leaks for hours just days before the explosions happened, according to air scanners.

    A Navy Sikorsky MH-60R Seahawk helicopter hovered over the location in the Baltic Sea for three days in a row on September 1, 2 and 3, while a NH90 military helicopter of the Dutch Navy was also flying in the area monitoring American activity on September 2. Further flights over leak areas were detected on September 22 and 26.

    Surely not a coincidence - NATO's direct action begins?
    Attachment 49672

    Link: https://t.me/ResistorNewswire/7552
    any radar screen captures, or photos, or is this just a "sources say" type of thing
    It's a source thing. I'm still a rookie at this but I'm learning to find and include more sources with more detail.

    All I'm aware of at this time was post number #5
    Don't know if it helps or not.

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    I posted this in the WW3 thread but I probably should have put it here instead . .



    Joseph P. Farrell - NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM SEPT 29 2022

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    EG shared this article, and finally, someone wrote something that I largely agree with regarding the sabotage of the Nordstream 2 pipeline:


    HOW TO STAGE A SABOTAGE: L'Affair Farewell, Fake History, Fake Science By Deep State Design


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    An alternative hypothesis to fingering the USA as the “who did it” is offered by others, such as Sebastian Gorka. Gorka is a well-known military and intelligence analyst and former Deputy Assistant To Trump.

    Following the cui bono line of reasoning, which is of course quite reasonable, one of the competing hypotheses is that Russia did it.

    Why?

    To fend off the rising discontent in Russia about the war in Ukraine and the recent mobilization of 300,000 reserves. If Russia is viewed by its citizenry as the victim of USA and western aggression, then Putin’s actions are more acceptable to the rank and file Russian citizens, the theory goes. The war is not just Russia v Ukraine, but also the west, that is Europe and the USA against Russia.

    A Russian false flag.

    I don’t know. None of us do. But it is an hypothesis that cannot be dismissed out of hand.

    And as I said in an earlier post: I doubt we can hang this on any one country or even a few. This may transcend national boundaries and lead directly to the global, criminal oligarchs. Thus, if you want to look at countries as culprits, Russia, China, Germany, the United Kingdom, the USA et al. are in on it.

    This is consistent with the global reset and the program we are witnessing to cull the herd.

    That is where my money is on this.

    For what it’s worth of course.

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    Methane rich natural gas will of course be reabsorbed into the global Carbon cycle, you cannot add to this, it is intrinsic to the planet, but of course this sabotage is a classic provocation, wars have been started over much less and we know Biden blurted about ending the Nord stream project, it is so obvious as to be ridiculous, 'who me, you think I dun it'? Very frightening really.

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    An alternative hypothesis to fingering the USA as the “who did it” is offered by others, such as Sebastian Gorka. Gorka is a well-known military and intelligence analyst and former Deputy Assistant To Trump.

    Following the cui bono line of reasoning, which is of course quite reasonable, one of the competing hypotheses is that Russia did it.

    Why?

    To fend off the rising discontent in Russia about the war in Ukraine and the recent mobilization of 300,000 reserves. If Russia is viewed by its citizenry as the victim of USA and western aggression, then Putin’s actions are more acceptable to the rank and file Russian citizens, the theory goes. The war is not just Russia v Ukraine, but also the west, that is Europe and the USA against Russia.

    A Russian false flag.

    I don’t know. None of us do. But it is an hypothesis that cannot be dismissed out of hand.

    And as I said in an earlier post: I doubt we can hang this on any one country or even a few. This may transcend national boundaries and lead directly to the global, criminal oligarchs. Thus, if you want to look at countries as culprits, Russia, China, Germany, the United Kingdom, the USA et al. are in on it.

    This is consistent with the global reset and the program we are witnessing to cull the herd.

    That is where my money is on this.

    For what it’s worth of course.
    To me it means a lot!

    During these times I think it's important to do just that, think. It's like putting a puzzle together, the more the better.

    Lately I've been thinking just what you have stated. I remember when I used to think one party was good and it turns out that may not be entirely true if at all. Now I'm starting to think larger scale so instead of what appears to be a country fighting the evil West may not be that at all. Perhaps another distraction targeting a certain group of people. IDK

    The first stories and headlines are rarely if ever true. It always takes a lot of due diligence, research and time to get closer to the truth.

    I feel so blessed to have so many friends here on Avalon. So many gifted and intelligent people willingly give their time, knowledge and many other things to others like me and helping them grow. Kind of like an online garden of Eden

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    A Russian false flag.

    I don’t know. None of us do. But it is an hypothesis that cannot be dismissed out of hand.
    I think on purpose, there are strategies being executed at levels that the vast majority of people are unaware of, and those (like us) that see something are probably also a bit confused as we still think locally far too often when facing globalist factions.

    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    And as I said in an earlier post: I doubt we can hang this on any one country or even a few. This may transcend national boundaries and lead directly to the global, criminal oligarchs. Thus, if you want to look at countries as culprits, Russia, China, Germany, the United Kingdom, the USA et al. are in on it.

    This is consistent with the global reset and the program we are witnessing to cull the herd.

    That is where my money is on this.

    For what it’s worth of course.
    I think this system was... pre-emptively started, aka... not fully executed with the original plan, and thus we are seeing a bit more of the "under pinnings" than we were supposed to; but with that said I think it is still very much going "to plan".

    the fact that every single major economy is failing at the same time cannot be ignored, this is not the norm (short term historically).

    I'm watching, I see how the internet is undercutting a lot of the strategies (only via the unpredicted ability to share information and check the monolithic propaganda machines, of which the US is king) that have been (IMO) slowly building for decades; yet now the rapid advancement gives me hope.
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    Sorry, feeling a little impish today, but, a possible culprit might be.....

    Greta Thunberg? ( )

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    Quote Posted by Satori (here)

    This is consistent with the global reset and the program we are witnessing to cull the herd.
    There it is. Rendered down to what this is and what it is all about.

    In my view it's not who did it, but why it was done and what it will accomplish.

    This is an escalation measure anyway you slice it. So we may not know what comes next, who will respond, or how the various State actors and false flag provocateurs will respond. But we do know whatever comes next will escalate the world into its Great Reset

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