Starve the beast - solutions

[Ewan]

I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala



Edit:
An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ewan (here)
The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

That is doubly good because Archive doesn't need a subscription or anything like that.


I would like to get involved with "local production", not necessarily farming, but there is everything involved behind "farm to table" restaurants, and the production of various goods and the retail related to them. There should be this whole chain of events, but so far I have never been able to work in those kinds of places; or, I did one time, which was brief since I did not know the company was in bankruptcy. This type of movement exists, but so far it is not really big enough to outpace chain production, which makes it difficult for me to say that there are places I want to work or live. I suppose we are discussing a vision about how to turn this around.


Our other house is across the street from not just a hog lagoon but chickens. Every 55 days the trucks roll at about 4.30 a. m., and there is one every fifteen minutes usually until eight or nine in the evening. Imagine what those jobs and facilities are like. These go into big plants, I think it is Purdue, where the plant has something like fifty-five of these operations in driving distance, so the trucks have somewhere to go every day.

When I look around, if these people didn't have chickens, they sell mud, sand, trees, grass, and pine needles, at volume.

The boutique sources for peaches or milk or whatever for local markets are miniscule in comparison. Those chickens could be frozen and shipped to Ohio, who knows.

If one were to argue that industrialization took multiple generations to wipe out traditional lifestyles, then, yes, it probably could take generations to possibly break it down where more people could be working with their local milk and peaches in small venues.

[palehorse]

Posted by shaberon (here)
I was reminded of this topic today.

No, I don't know in each case exactly what kinds of financial entity is involved. Here is one fresh off the press about a guy just arrested (and bailed) for trafficking babies:


He is presently the head of the “Heart With Love” charitable foundation...



A "most profitable business" which is more or less legalized:


Adopted at the end of December 2021, one of the points states that: “it is no longer necessary to notarize the written consent of a living donor or his relatives for transplantation. If documents are available, there is no need to confirm or authenticate signatures. It is also permitted to remove organs in this way, and from children also”.



But there is a major case study, which is what I had in mind rotating 180 degrees--Americares. First we try to read through a little of their own gush:


Working with Pope John Paul II in 1981, Americares airlifted more than $3.2 million in aid to Poland, then under martial law. Today, the organization is the leading nonprofit provider of medical programs and supplies to those suffering the effects of natural catastrophes and poverty, delivering more than $500 million in goods and services to all 50 states and more than 90 countries.

It’s had a long presence in Guatemala...



That, combined with ongoing suspicions of the SMOM:


As a charitable non-governmental
organization with diplomatic immunity
in many countries...

As a sovereign entity controlled by a
handful of wealthy aristocrats and busi-
ness people, the Knights of Malta also
can-and often does-become a potent
instrument for covertly achieving political
and quasi-military goals which its mem-
bers could not hope to attain through
democratic methods.


That is from the 90s, also picked up by Russ Baker 2010.


It caused the career suicide of Hersh 2011.


Now we can just grab from a CIA wall of text:


Much of the $3.4 million in Americares' medical aid to Guatemala has been distributed through the armed forces as part of its resettlement program of "model villages" aimed at defeating leftist insurgents...


That story is humongous, reaching back to Operation Paperclip.

It is what I call "machine guns for nuns".

Absolutely jaw-dropping.



Nothing much to say about all that mess, I heard some of that but you posted a nice chain of information, thanks.




Well they do help some people for PR, but there is something in the water.


They use these front organizations to do their nasty thing, that is no surprise at wall, it is like the mis/dis info we have today, they drop some truths in mix to make it look credible when in reality it is all garbage to confuse.. but yes back to front organizations, there is a good website to track down these organizations, a bit of leg work but if it is really important it can be reliable. I used them when registering an offshore shelf company for a gambling company a while ago. You have Panama Papers, Pandora Papers, Paradise Papers, Russia Archive, and a few more, some under the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (The ICIJ - https://www.icij.org/). All these investigations started decades ago, but only about 1 decade ago it got fueled up and leaked thousands of wealth filth in all industries all around the world, and guess what? nothing happened as usual, they always have a great explanation for everything. When I was "dealing" a shelf company in Delaware US I got one in the list (rotten apple) because I was checking them all to know their history of activities, shelf companies can have a very dark and sinister history, must be aware before purchasing it. What you wrote above I think it fits in "Shadow diplomats" a term used to describe these people, they are usually involved with very nasty things, from human trafficking, arms trafficking to terrorism financiers (here is a few of them https://www.icij.org/investigations/...suls-profiles/).

It is very extensive subject anyway, here is what I used to check for bad apples before purchasing and I made that clear for the attorneys I had dealt with, that it was not acceptable to buy a shelf company with dark history, one of the attorney disconnected his number after the conversation (some was using skype numbers too), and I will tell you it is quite easy to find these scam bags online (they promote their businesses), I have a list of them.

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/

I grew disenchanted with this idea of society controlled by corporations, most are fraudulent, have extremely bad practices and so on.. we just can't rely on them, that is the whole focus why I decided to start the thread "starve the beast" in hope to collect as much as possible information about all sort of things related to this nefarious system of deceive. Must be a way out or maybe I am just delusional lol




Why not take that same framework, but just turn it around into a local land-management process. I am terribly concerned about how we wind up housing-insecure because of the business model of raising property taxes. There's no relief. That kind of law *should* be repealed, but, that is not something a person can directly do. I am thinking of perhaps a mix of a commune with a halfway house. Something for permanent residents but also somewhere that a person in trouble could go, without a commitment of permanency.



That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust?

Here is something that may interest others, this is my experience because I have land in my home country and the time when it belonged to my ancestors it was a full run farm/business, but since my old folks already passed, now all I have is the land, the main wood house was torn apart and removed, the barn/warehouse too and a few more capital improvements were sold (things like vehicles, machines, animals, trees(timber), etc) and the land now is registered as bare land and tax is on the value of the land only, no capital improvements on it, tax is as low as it should be, but that was done like that because I am not living in there and nobody actually is living in there or taking care of the place. I think it is called LVT or something like that. the trick here is: building mobile homes (tiny homes), parking a trailer, or natural building (cob tiny houses for instance), would not be included in the annual tax paying scheme, also you don't have to tell them every little thing you do in your land, is it illegal? then be it. If I even go back to my home country that would definitely be the plan.





It is complicated. I can think of reasons to keep early 1900s technology, such as a washing machine and refrigeration. I can't think of a reason to keep early 2000s technology with smart buttons that break, and electronic controls without any mechanical override. A lot of that junk is just ways to make things more expensive. This house has an optical stove--messed up in ways that a basic model would never do. No two light fixtures are the same. I broke one when commanded to pull the bulb. So we just let them go out! The fancy sink faucet froze itself in position. Nothing is upgraded, things have been made weaker and worse.



Absolutely low-tech, there was an experiment in Japan circa 2010, the group was able to live very well for around 1 year only using low-tech, they had no electricity, they preserved meat with smoke, it was a full experiment and people improved their health too after it. Yes it works, just like it worked for our ancestors.



Yes, of course it is physically possible to raise enough crop to feed one's own livestock. Have you heard of a hog lagoon? Sometimes they burst. If we look at a place that has ten thousand hogs, the amount of energy and material put into that is really significant. Then we pay a premium for organic produce, since the industry is no longer keyed to support that. You probably shouldn't have to go through a process and get a special "organic certificate", that should be standard, and if you don't, your product ought to be labeled "contaminated".



Yes they also call it pink lagoon, it can be done with chickens as well when the chicken coop is placed a meter or so higher above the pond, works well for what I know. There is many attacks from mainstream into this practice of hog lagoons, you are right they would label as not only contaminated but worse. What about doing it in small scale? I personally would go with a "home made" version of biodigester, the byproduct anyway would be the fertilizer, but also the biogas, just would have to figure out how to collect and store it properly.
There was attempt to turn a hog lagoon into a massive biodigester, but cost was prohibitive.





I doubt I really have any new ideas, more like rejections of new ones. If we ask ourselves what has really been improved during our lifetimes, do we have anything to say? The internet is nice, but, it doesn't need much beyond 486 tech to be effective.

I fully agree. We can improve in personal terms but as a community it is much difficult (specially when almost all forces are against), all it takes is a few mind-like do things in the right direction to change and eventually set the example, break the paradigm once again improving and so on.. is a lot of energy and since most people think in terms of money, most of amazing projects will never go out from paper and computers because for sure it is not profitable, unfortunately.

Egalitarianism comes to mind, but it does not apply to the super wealth. Egalitarian society for the peasants, the word itself is a very trick one and much used nowadays, so we have to be careful, because each individual has their own moral and legal standing, their own abilities, their own talents and so forth and so on.. there is no way the NWO set it as 1 standard for all (one shoes size fits all). That will never happen.

I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.

[palehorse]

Posted by Ewan (here)
I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala



Edit:
An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

Thanks Ewan, seems like interesting one.

WTF farmer not an occupation? I would reply to this officer, is your occupation of pushing paper better than my occupation? lol

[shaberon]

Posted by palehorse (here)
That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust?

Something like that. I am surrounded by miles of woods owned by a Trust. Towards the south are various clearcuts and burns, with stocked and non-restocked growth, which is some kind of long-term land management research. Towards the north, the military uses is for School of the Americas-type SALT training. They actually own the house next door, which has no markers like
"federal property" or "U. S. Army", nothing. Just like a normal house.

Since I don't personally own anything, I have not been able to do anything like folding the property into an indirect ownership, or operating a 501c on it, and if I ever did something like that, it will be pretty far down the road. It is just a few ideas that maybe someone else could actually apply.


Most of the tax is for the house, the land is kind of cheap. Usually a trailer or mobile home is a "vehicle" registered with the DoT, and not considered a fixed appurtenance, therefor not added to property tax.

I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.

Same. A lot of the information I post is just the precursor to what you put, i. e. in modern times, such as Panama Papers and the various tracking services that help identify who is scratching who's back. I look at it in terms of precedents and then later propaganda which usually distorts it.

For example on the no-compete thing, HPB was probably the first one to explain in the English language how western education is based on competition, while the east teaches cooperation; in many ways we are just re-cycling what she said, in a more technologcially-intricate manner. Such as Delaware being the main first place that allowed corporations to register themselves with a Post Office Box for an address--they set an example which would now appear common place, accepted, like there is no other way.

That itself is a redux of the Bank of England starting the web of offshore tax havens in the Carribean, still ongoing.

Income and property taxes are completely non-productive and ought to be repealed.

Even if Social Security "is" socialism, it is a fairly minor expense, that you get paid back, whereas most of those other taxes are taken hostage for something you do not agree with.



Here are a few long-standing fraudulent charities:


American Medical Association

American Cancer Society

American Legion


True, one could pencil in 2020-2021 the Florida church which sold floor cleaner as a Covid cure...if they could do that, seems like someone hasn't processed the hundred-year-old information yet.

Once you look at those big, easy-to-remember names, then your suspicion level grows high, and you are less likely to be blindsided by the onslaught of new claimants to the throne.

[palehorse]

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Posted by palehorse (here)
Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

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Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines.

This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!

As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

Just a few examples.
Representative office of Liberland in
Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/

Extending a bit further on this Liberland topic (I think it alone would do a great thread), I found this video today, it was posted 8 days ago on Liberland Official YT Channel

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DR6TfaprjFg

The video is short direct to the point, only 1:56

It is about Liberland opening a new embassy in Mexico. The thing is Jeff Berwick will be the ambassador LOL

For what I know which is almost nothing about him, I just took the time to listen some of his videos to learn more about his intentions, he seems to run a large crypto operation with Dollar Vigilante.. he was the founder of Anarcapulco, he is Canadian but he lives in Mexico.. first I heard about him many years ago, was not good at all, people were saying to be scammed by him and many were calling the dude a con man.. anyway, I never follow anything about him at all, I won't judge it, I am just posting the news about Liberland, seems like they are moving faster than I previously imagined.

Just a short update about Liberland...

8th birthday of Liberland, here is the video of the celebration.

SNEAKING Into A BANNED Country

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8T9X5K1AA

seems a bit like theater to me, but the boot in the chest by the Croatian police man at the end when they set foot on the river island, seems real haha the video got 5mil subscribers in 3 days, right now it has 7mil which is quite a lot I think for something that isn't very popular (ask anyone around if they want to go to Liberland LOL)

Another propaganda!

[palehorse]

Life is easy. Why do we make it so hard? | Jon Jandai | TEDxDoiSuthep

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=21j_OCNLuYg

It is a 12 years old video, very simple and practical ideas for everyone.

[palehorse]

Another video from Jon Jandai on preparedness.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j2PKrxPWwd8

[palehorse]

Here is a recap of these 2 posts I made previously and it falls into the category of shelter:

EARTHBAG "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1535391

EARTHSHIP "BLUEPRINT"
Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1534711

Shelters are usually separated into these 3 categories: Temporary, Semi-permanent and Permanent (mobile or rooted), but it is a huge topic on its own, so here is just a few more that are widely available on internet for research, shelter is a priceless skill to have, so understand how to build that properly is a big plus in life.

• Wood shack/cabin
• Igloo
• Caravan (AKA motor home)
• Tiny home
• Shipping container
• Cob houses (similar to earth bag above)
• Teepees (American Indian Style)
• Bamboo house
• Adobe houses (The Pueblo style)
• Yurt

Here I will extend into another basic necessity: "food & medicine" I think these 2 items should be one and only one category and not how it is classified today separated, after all food is medicine.

As we know our basic essential necessities are:

• Shelter

• Food

• water

• medicines (some extends it to health care, but I am not getting into it because it always involves institutions/profit)

• clothing

There is books, papers and opinions out there saying it should be extended to: transportation, sanitation, education and healthcare (as I mentioned above). I recognize the importance of these items, but in my humble opinion the measurement of these items aren't fare, you just can't compare a lifestyle of an indigenous tribe in Africa or South America with the life of anyone living in a big city in Europe or America or elsewhere to be frank.. so I will stick with the 5 items in the list only, the rest is all about having a good sense and manage the situation as it seems fit (your own standard operating procedures).


Farming with science or farming with nature or both ways when applicable

Farming in the natural way includes understanding a few points in depth but not limited to that only:

cultivation - every time you plow the soil it deplete the soil in a long term, mono crops is a soil killer.
fertilizer - unless natural fertilizes it will pollute the soil leaving chemical trails.
weed - on the contrary with the mainstream thinking, weed is good for the soil, it enriches the soil, it also used to recovery already depleted soils.
pesticides - it causes pollution in the long run, not beneficial at all unless it is a natural one.

If we follow the natural order to establish our food source, we will also follow the natural diet which is interconnected anyway leading to optimal health. It is all a cycle connected with earth/gaia.


The question that many world wide ask, how can we feed the world rapid growing population? First I am not so sure it is rapid growing, I would say with the poison campaign going on I would say it is rapidly decreasing now. But anyway how can we feed the hunger?
That is how I see it, feel free to disagree, since the introduction of mega cities and it comes from ancient times, people were mentally trapped inside it and they believe everything their masters say, I won't debate to that because it is a huge waste of time, the solution is simple, for those who sees it, get out from mega cities and start a new life where you are in control of your thoughts, authority will always gives more focus in their large controlled environment, they just don't care to the little folks living on their own, they can pass laws and regulations for forbid people of doing this and that, but in the end of the day the option to be a slave or free is ours (most laws are meaningless). You do it small and you don't broadcast widely open (e.g. youtubers), do for yourself for your family and friends, isn't that enough? I understand some people want attention and they love to show themselves as smart and ultimately doing stuffs online for money, but this subject is serious, is about our sovereignty, our survival, our privacy, our liberties and so on, it isn't a reality show.

I recommend reading the book I added in the reference bellow, it covers basically everything from start to maintenance, using as less work as possible.

Here is the book The Natural Way of Farming by "Masanobu Fukuoka"



I will finish this post with this quote:

"Man prides himself on being the only creature on earth with the ability to think. He claims to know himself and the natural world, and believes he can use nature as he pleases. He is convinced, moreover, that intelligence is strength, that anything he desires is within his reach."
-- Masanobu Fukuoka

[Lunesoleil]

Posted by Ewan (here)
He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.

my childhood memories which rise to the surface of consciousness, especially when we begin to relate moments which precisely nourished my youth.

I replaced the “Caillebotte” of old with Lebanese cream, but that doesn’t really give the same result. The men were entitled to the “trempine” it also bears the name Miget and it was appreciated especially when it was very hot and they were coming back from working in the fields. We can call it a sweet soup, this name loses its origin from the Vendéen dialect.

Those days are completely gone, because a large family rarely meets today of the same lineage, parents and brothers and sisters except perhaps during a family reunion with grandparents, parents, children and grandchildren , is very rarely done today and it would require a lot of expense if you don't have a garden and livestock, chickens, rabbits, sheep, pigs etc...

I experienced that, my mother was passing the majority of his time cooking. To say that the number was there, and it lasted around ten years after the birth of my last sister. My mother put fried mojette (white beans) on the table every day which, reheated several times, became delicious, plus the meal of the day. We also cooked with pig and I can't tell you the blood sausages with real little pieces of fat inside, you will no longer find them in the butchers' display and which we made shine on the table with a rind of pig, in the whites my mother put milk coming from the udder of the cow in the morning with eggs and in the blacks pig's blood. It was not industrialized cooking at all, it was for our personal consumption. The food reserves were transposed into the freezer, in jars.

My parents, already at the time lived in the old way and they had children to have staff available certainly to go to the fields and at the time did not think at all about our future outside the farm, we lived in a sort of family business, we call it today a micro business, withdrawn into ourselves within the family clan in self-sufficiency, because we produced for ourselves apart from the photographer to whom we had to deliver two liters of milk per week at his store.

Almost everyone had their work task, a sister took care of feeding the pig with leftover food but also grain that was cooked with potatoes in an old cauldron fueled with wood and other rubbish to burn, a brother took care of the garden in which tomatoes were grown after a large trench where the toilets located at the edge of the garden were emptied. That's what life was like on a farm in the old days, we didn't do anything fussy at all and we had everything at our disposal.

One sister took care of feeding the poultry, another brother the rabbits and guinea pigs with which we once made pâté, there were also two sisters to milk the cows morning and evening and in the summer we had to dedicate to take them to the pastures via the road two or three kilometers from the farm. My father took care of sheep and bees, his passion, part of the honey was sold to a cooperative and he made these hives himself, there was no question of royal jelly at that time... We went once a year to the seaside by taxi, because there were no cars and my mother went to do her shopping almost every day by bike which had two large panniers hanging on it. Then the cars arrived and my mother once a week would go shopping with one of my brothers.

It was another era within an era, we had neighbors with whom we often spoke, a Dutch family, the father was a pastor, then one day they left...