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    Default Re: Starve the beast - solutions

    I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

    https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala



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    An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

    That is doubly good because Archive doesn't need a subscription or anything like that.


    I would like to get involved with "local production", not necessarily farming, but there is everything involved behind "farm to table" restaurants, and the production of various goods and the retail related to them. There should be this whole chain of events, but so far I have never been able to work in those kinds of places; or, I did one time, which was brief since I did not know the company was in bankruptcy. This type of movement exists, but so far it is not really big enough to outpace chain production, which makes it difficult for me to say that there are places I want to work or live. I suppose we are discussing a vision about how to turn this around.


    Our other house is across the street from not just a hog lagoon but chickens. Every 55 days the trucks roll at about 4.30 a. m., and there is one every fifteen minutes usually until eight or nine in the evening. Imagine what those jobs and facilities are like. These go into big plants, I think it is Purdue, where the plant has something like fifty-five of these operations in driving distance, so the trucks have somewhere to go every day.

    When I look around, if these people didn't have chickens, they sell mud, sand, trees, grass, and pine needles, at volume.

    The boutique sources for peaches or milk or whatever for local markets are miniscule in comparison. Those chickens could be frozen and shipped to Ohio, who knows.

    If one were to argue that industrialization took multiple generations to wipe out traditional lifestyles, then, yes, it probably could take generations to possibly break it down where more people could be working with their local milk and peaches in small venues.

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    I was reminded of this topic today.

    No, I don't know in each case exactly what kinds of financial entity is involved. Here is one fresh off the press about a guy just arrested (and bailed) for trafficking babies:


    He is presently the head of the “Heart With Love” charitable foundation...



    A "most profitable business" which is more or less legalized:


    Adopted at the end of December 2021, one of the points states that: “it is no longer necessary to notarize the written consent of a living donor or his relatives for transplantation. If documents are available, there is no need to confirm or authenticate signatures. It is also permitted to remove organs in this way, and from children also”.



    But there is a major case study, which is what I had in mind rotating 180 degrees--Americares. First we try to read through a little of their own gush:


    Working with Pope John Paul II in 1981, Americares airlifted more than $3.2 million in aid to Poland, then under martial law. Today, the organization is the leading nonprofit provider of medical programs and supplies to those suffering the effects of natural catastrophes and poverty, delivering more than $500 million in goods and services to all 50 states and more than 90 countries.

    It’s had a long presence in Guatemala...



    That, combined with ongoing suspicions of the SMOM:


    As a charitable non-governmental
    organization with diplomatic immunity
    in many countries...

    As a sovereign entity controlled by a
    handful of wealthy aristocrats and busi-
    ness people, the Knights of Malta also
    can-and often does-become a potent
    instrument for covertly achieving political
    and quasi-military goals which its mem-
    bers could not hope to attain through
    democratic methods.


    That is from the 90s, also picked up by Russ Baker 2010.


    It caused the career suicide of Hersh 2011.


    Now we can just grab from a CIA wall of text:


    Much of the $3.4 million in Americares' medical aid to Guatemala has been distributed through the armed forces as part of its resettlement program of "model villages" aimed at defeating leftist insurgents...


    That story is humongous, reaching back to Operation Paperclip.

    It is what I call "machine guns for nuns".

    Absolutely jaw-dropping.



    Nothing much to say about all that mess, I heard some of that but you posted a nice chain of information, thanks.




    Well they do help some people for PR, but there is something in the water.


    They use these front organizations to do their nasty thing, that is no surprise at wall, it is like the mis/dis info we have today, they drop some truths in mix to make it look credible when in reality it is all garbage to confuse.. but yes back to front organizations, there is a good website to track down these organizations, a bit of leg work but if it is really important it can be reliable. I used them when registering an offshore shelf company for a gambling company a while ago. You have Panama Papers, Pandora Papers, Paradise Papers, Russia Archive, and a few more, some under the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (The ICIJ - https://www.icij.org/). All these investigations started decades ago, but only about 1 decade ago it got fueled up and leaked thousands of wealth filth in all industries all around the world, and guess what? nothing happened as usual, they always have a great explanation for everything. When I was "dealing" a shelf company in Delaware US I got one in the list (rotten apple) because I was checking them all to know their history of activities, shelf companies can have a very dark and sinister history, must be aware before purchasing it. What you wrote above I think it fits in "Shadow diplomats" a term used to describe these people, they are usually involved with very nasty things, from human trafficking, arms trafficking to terrorism financiers (here is a few of them https://www.icij.org/investigations/...suls-profiles/).

    It is very extensive subject anyway, here is what I used to check for bad apples before purchasing and I made that clear for the attorneys I had dealt with, that it was not acceptable to buy a shelf company with dark history, one of the attorney disconnected his number after the conversation (some was using skype numbers too), and I will tell you it is quite easy to find these scam bags online (they promote their businesses), I have a list of them.

    https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/

    I grew disenchanted with this idea of society controlled by corporations, most are fraudulent, have extremely bad practices and so on.. we just can't rely on them, that is the whole focus why I decided to start the thread "starve the beast" in hope to collect as much as possible information about all sort of things related to this nefarious system of deceive. Must be a way out or maybe I am just delusional lol





    Why not take that same framework, but just turn it around into a local land-management process. I am terribly concerned about how we wind up housing-insecure because of the business model of raising property taxes. There's no relief. That kind of law *should* be repealed, but, that is not something a person can directly do. I am thinking of perhaps a mix of a commune with a halfway house. Something for permanent residents but also somewhere that a person in trouble could go, without a commitment of permanency.



    That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust?

    Here is something that may interest others, this is my experience because I have land in my home country and the time when it belonged to my ancestors it was a full run farm/business, but since my old folks already passed, now all I have is the land, the main wood house was torn apart and removed, the barn/warehouse too and a few more capital improvements were sold (things like vehicles, machines, animals, trees(timber), etc) and the land now is registered as bare land and tax is on the value of the land only, no capital improvements on it, tax is as low as it should be, but that was done like that because I am not living in there and nobody actually is living in there or taking care of the place. I think it is called LVT or something like that. the trick here is: building mobile homes (tiny homes), parking a trailer, or natural building (cob tiny houses for instance), would not be included in the annual tax paying scheme, also you don't have to tell them every little thing you do in your land, is it illegal? then be it. If I even go back to my home country that would definitely be the plan.






    It is complicated. I can think of reasons to keep early 1900s technology, such as a washing machine and refrigeration. I can't think of a reason to keep early 2000s technology with smart buttons that break, and electronic controls without any mechanical override. A lot of that junk is just ways to make things more expensive. This house has an optical stove--messed up in ways that a basic model would never do. No two light fixtures are the same. I broke one when commanded to pull the bulb. So we just let them go out! The fancy sink faucet froze itself in position. Nothing is upgraded, things have been made weaker and worse.



    Absolutely low-tech, there was an experiment in Japan circa 2010, the group was able to live very well for around 1 year only using low-tech, they had no electricity, they preserved meat with smoke, it was a full experiment and people improved their health too after it. Yes it works, just like it worked for our ancestors.



    Yes, of course it is physically possible to raise enough crop to feed one's own livestock. Have you heard of a hog lagoon? Sometimes they burst. If we look at a place that has ten thousand hogs, the amount of energy and material put into that is really significant. Then we pay a premium for organic produce, since the industry is no longer keyed to support that. You probably shouldn't have to go through a process and get a special "organic certificate", that should be standard, and if you don't, your product ought to be labeled "contaminated".



    Yes they also call it pink lagoon, it can be done with chickens as well when the chicken coop is placed a meter or so higher above the pond, works well for what I know. There is many attacks from mainstream into this practice of hog lagoons, you are right they would label as not only contaminated but worse. What about doing it in small scale? I personally would go with a "home made" version of biodigester, the byproduct anyway would be the fertilizer, but also the biogas, just would have to figure out how to collect and store it properly.
    There was attempt to turn a hog lagoon into a massive biodigester, but cost was prohibitive.






    I doubt I really have any new ideas, more like rejections of new ones. If we ask ourselves what has really been improved during our lifetimes, do we have anything to say? The internet is nice, but, it doesn't need much beyond 486 tech to be effective.



    I fully agree. We can improve in personal terms but as a community it is much difficult (specially when almost all forces are against), all it takes is a few mind-like do things in the right direction to change and eventually set the example, break the paradigm once again improving and so on.. is a lot of energy and since most people think in terms of money, most of amazing projects will never go out from paper and computers because for sure it is not profitable, unfortunately.

    Egalitarianism comes to mind, but it does not apply to the super wealth. Egalitarian society for the peasants, the word itself is a very trick one and much used nowadays, so we have to be careful, because each individual has their own moral and legal standing, their own abilities, their own talents and so forth and so on.. there is no way the NWO set it as 1 standard for all (one shoes size fits all). That will never happen.

    I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    I've been following along throughout this thread and it just occurred to me that both of you, Shab & PH, would probably enjoy a book I am currently close to finishing. The author lays into the methods/madness of industrialised farming and points out, successfully, there is always a better way.

    https://archive.org/details/folksthisaintnor0000sala



    Edit:
    An amusing/horrifying little snippet from the book tells of an intern who was working at the farm and met a Canadian girl, they got on well and decided to marry. When this intern travelled to Canada to meet/wed his girlfriend border control challenged his occupation. He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.
    Thanks Ewan, seems like interesting one.

    WTF farmer not an occupation? I would reply to this officer, is your occupation of pushing paper better than my occupation? lol
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    That sounds like a way to avoid this tax burden, here is the question, could you change it into charitable? I know if you got already all the infra-structure in place could be hard, but maybe you donate your land to your own Charitable Trust?

    Something like that. I am surrounded by miles of woods owned by a Trust. Towards the south are various clearcuts and burns, with stocked and non-restocked growth, which is some kind of long-term land management research. Towards the north, the military uses is for School of the Americas-type SALT training. They actually own the house next door, which has no markers like
    "federal property" or "U. S. Army", nothing. Just like a normal house.

    Since I don't personally own anything, I have not been able to do anything like folding the property into an indirect ownership, or operating a 501c on it, and if I ever did something like that, it will be pretty far down the road. It is just a few ideas that maybe someone else could actually apply.


    Most of the tax is for the house, the land is kind of cheap. Usually a trailer or mobile home is a "vehicle" registered with the DoT, and not considered a fixed appurtenance, therefor not added to property tax.



    Quote I think more in terms of living without competing with others because surplus is what we need to create and not otherwise (taking from) and once we do it, the cycle starts, there is no mistake, we just can't see that right now because capitalism smoked and polluted everything everywhere.


    Same. A lot of the information I post is just the precursor to what you put, i. e. in modern times, such as Panama Papers and the various tracking services that help identify who is scratching who's back. I look at it in terms of precedents and then later propaganda which usually distorts it.

    For example on the no-compete thing, HPB was probably the first one to explain in the English language how western education is based on competition, while the east teaches cooperation; in many ways we are just re-cycling what she said, in a more technologcially-intricate manner. Such as Delaware being the main first place that allowed corporations to register themselves with a Post Office Box for an address--they set an example which would now appear common place, accepted, like there is no other way.

    That itself is a redux of the Bank of England starting the web of offshore tax havens in the Carribean, still ongoing.

    Income and property taxes are completely non-productive and ought to be repealed.

    Even if Social Security "is" socialism, it is a fairly minor expense, that you get paid back, whereas most of those other taxes are taken hostage for something you do not agree with.



    Here are a few long-standing fraudulent charities:


    American Medical Association

    American Cancer Society

    American Legion


    True, one could pencil in 2020-2021 the Florida church which sold floor cleaner as a Covid cure...if they could do that, seems like someone hasn't processed the hundred-year-old information yet.

    Once you look at those big, easy-to-remember names, then your suspicion level grows high, and you are less likely to be blindsided by the onslaught of new claimants to the throne.

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    Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

    ~~~

    Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines.
    This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!


    As ‚Liberland‘ for example has been mentioned several times, I took a look at their website out of curiosity. Sounds promising at first glance. Then I went to the biographies of people who are representatives of Liberland in many states around the world. There it started getting a bit nightmarish. Take a close look, it‘s interesting. Tells you a lot. Not sure if I really want to know the exact purpose and agendas of such socalled ‚micronations‘.

    Just a few examples.
    Representative office of Liberland in
    Austria: Anna Riedl https://www.weforum.org/people/anna-riedl
    Germany: Kolja Spöri https://germany.liberland.org/en/
    Russia: Andrey Voronkov https://voronkov.io/en/about
    UK:Tariq Abbasi https://uk.liberland.org/en/

    Extending a bit further on this Liberland topic (I think it alone would do a great thread), I found this video today, it was posted 8 days ago on Liberland Official YT Channel



    The video is short direct to the point, only 1:56

    It is about Liberland opening a new embassy in Mexico. The thing is Jeff Berwick will be the ambassador LOL

    For what I know which is almost nothing about him, I just took the time to listen some of his videos to learn more about his intentions, he seems to run a large crypto operation with Dollar Vigilante.. he was the founder of Anarcapulco, he is Canadian but he lives in Mexico.. first I heard about him many years ago, was not good at all, people were saying to be scammed by him and many were calling the dude a con man.. anyway, I never follow anything about him at all, I won't judge it, I am just posting the news about Liberland, seems like they are moving faster than I previously imagined.

    Just a short update about Liberland...

    8th birthday of Liberland, here is the video of the celebration.

    SNEAKING Into A BANNED Country


    seems a bit like theater to me, but the boot in the chest by the Croatian police man at the end when they set foot on the river island, seems real haha the video got 5mil subscribers in 3 days, right now it has 7mil which is quite a lot I think for something that isn't very popular (ask anyone around if they want to go to Liberland LOL)

    Another propaganda!
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    Life is easy. Why do we make it so hard? | Jon Jandai | TEDxDoiSuthep


    It is a 12 years old video, very simple and practical ideas for everyone.
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    Another video from Jon Jandai on preparedness.

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    Here is a recap of these 2 posts I made previously and it falls into the category of shelter:

    EARTHBAG "BLUEPRINT"
    Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1535391

    EARTHSHIP "BLUEPRINT"
    Thread link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1534711

    Shelters are usually separated into these 3 categories: Temporary, Semi-permanent and Permanent (mobile or rooted), but it is a huge topic on its own, so here is just a few more that are widely available on internet for research, shelter is a priceless skill to have, so understand how to build that properly is a big plus in life.
    • Wood shack/cabin
    • Igloo
    • Caravan (AKA motor home)
    • Tiny home
    • Shipping container
    • Cob houses (similar to earth bag above)
    • Teepees (American Indian Style)
    • Bamboo house
    • Adobe houses (The Pueblo style)
    • Yurt


    Here I will extend into another basic necessity: "food & medicine" I think these 2 items should be one and only one category and not how it is classified today separated, after all food is medicine.

    As we know our basic essential necessities are:
    • Shelter
    • Food
    • water
    • medicines (some extends it to health care, but I am not getting into it because it always involves institutions/profit)
    • clothing

    There is books, papers and opinions out there saying it should be extended to: transportation, sanitation, education and healthcare (as I mentioned above). I recognize the importance of these items, but in my humble opinion the measurement of these items aren't fare, you just can't compare a lifestyle of an indigenous tribe in Africa or South America with the life of anyone living in a big city in Europe or America or elsewhere to be frank.. so I will stick with the 5 items in the list only, the rest is all about having a good sense and manage the situation as it seems fit (your own standard operating procedures).


    Farming with science or farming with nature or both ways when applicable

    Farming in the natural way includes understanding a few points in depth but not limited to that only:

    cultivation - every time you plow the soil it deplete the soil in a long term, mono crops is a soil killer.
    fertilizer - unless natural fertilizes it will pollute the soil leaving chemical trails.
    weed - on the contrary with the mainstream thinking, weed is good for the soil, it enriches the soil, it also used to recovery already depleted soils.
    pesticides - it causes pollution in the long run, not beneficial at all unless it is a natural one.

    If we follow the natural order to establish our food source, we will also follow the natural diet which is interconnected anyway leading to optimal health. It is all a cycle connected with earth/gaia.


    The question that many world wide ask, how can we feed the world rapid growing population? First I am not so sure it is rapid growing, I would say with the poison campaign going on I would say it is rapidly decreasing now. But anyway how can we feed the hunger?
    That is how I see it, feel free to disagree, since the introduction of mega cities and it comes from ancient times, people were mentally trapped inside it and they believe everything their masters say, I won't debate to that because it is a huge waste of time, the solution is simple, for those who sees it, get out from mega cities and start a new life where you are in control of your thoughts, authority will always gives more focus in their large controlled environment, they just don't care to the little folks living on their own, they can pass laws and regulations for forbid people of doing this and that, but in the end of the day the option to be a slave or free is ours (most laws are meaningless). You do it small and you don't broadcast widely open (e.g. youtubers), do for yourself for your family and friends, isn't that enough? I understand some people want attention and they love to show themselves as smart and ultimately doing stuffs online for money, but this subject is serious, is about our sovereignty, our survival, our privacy, our liberties and so on, it isn't a reality show.

    I recommend reading the book I added in the reference bellow, it covers basically everything from start to maintenance, using as less work as possible.

    Here is the book The Natural Way of Farming by "Masanobu Fukuoka"



    I will finish this post with this quote:

    "Man prides himself on being the only creature on earth with the ability to think. He claims to know himself and the natural world, and believes he can use nature as he pleases. He is convinced, moreover, that intelligence is strength, that anything he desires is within his reach."
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    He had put 'Farmer' and the guard did not accept that was a valid occupation.
    my childhood memories which rise to the surface of consciousness, especially when we begin to relate moments which precisely nourished my youth.

    I replaced the “Caillebotte” of old with Lebanese cream, but that doesn’t really give the same result. The men were entitled to the “trempine” it also bears the name Miget and it was appreciated especially when it was very hot and they were coming back from working in the fields. We can call it a sweet soup, this name loses its origin from the Vendéen dialect.

    Those days are completely gone, because a large family rarely meets today of the same lineage, parents and brothers and sisters except perhaps during a family reunion with grandparents, parents, children and grandchildren , is very rarely done today and it would require a lot of expense if you don't have a garden and livestock, chickens, rabbits, sheep, pigs etc...

    I experienced that, my mother was passing the majority of his time cooking. To say that the number was there, and it lasted around ten years after the birth of my last sister. My mother put fried mojette (white beans) on the table every day which, reheated several times, became delicious, plus the meal of the day. We also cooked with pig and I can't tell you the blood sausages with real little pieces of fat inside, you will no longer find them in the butchers' display and which we made shine on the table with a rind of pig, in the whites my mother put milk coming from the udder of the cow in the morning with eggs and in the blacks pig's blood. It was not industrialized cooking at all, it was for our personal consumption. The food reserves were transposed into the freezer, in jars.

    My parents, already at the time lived in the old way and they had children to have staff available certainly to go to the fields and at the time did not think at all about our future outside the farm, we lived in a sort of family business, we call it today a micro business, withdrawn into ourselves within the family clan in self-sufficiency, because we produced for ourselves apart from the photographer to whom we had to deliver two liters of milk per week at his store.

    Almost everyone had their work task, a sister took care of feeding the pig with leftover food but also grain that was cooked with potatoes in an old cauldron fueled with wood and other rubbish to burn, a brother took care of the garden in which tomatoes were grown after a large trench where the toilets located at the edge of the garden were emptied. That's what life was like on a farm in the old days, we didn't do anything fussy at all and we had everything at our disposal.

    One sister took care of feeding the poultry, another brother the rabbits and guinea pigs with which we once made pâté, there were also two sisters to milk the cows morning and evening and in the summer we had to dedicate to take them to the pastures via the road two or three kilometers from the farm. My father took care of sheep and bees, his passion, part of the honey was sold to a cooperative and he made these hives himself, there was no question of royal jelly at that time... We went once a year to the seaside by taxi, because there were no cars and my mother went to do her shopping almost every day by bike which had two large panniers hanging on it. Then the cars arrived and my mother once a week would go shopping with one of my brothers.

    It was another era within an era, we had neighbors with whom we often spoke, a Dutch family, the father was a pastor, then one day they left...

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    Today I came across this video when searching for ways to store natural gas, it is kinda of hilarious but also great solutions for difficult times, I am not so sure if I would like to cook with a huge bag of gas over my head.. anyway food for thought haha Pakistani solutions!

    The video consist of:
    • 1st part - how to store gas into bags. (until 7 min mark)
    • 2nd part - how to mill grains using your own car if you don't have electricity (same principle with old tractors). (from 7 min to 11:30)
    • 3rd part - how to fabricate your own stove (genial piece of art) (from 11:30 to 15:35)
    • Last part is about what seems to be a small Japanese factory, I am not sure if that is moji or something else.. but it seems delicious and they are selling well haha


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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Citizenship was, is and ever shall be voluntary in these united States under the promised republican form of government.
    Voluntary in the sense that Jefferson's "consent of the governed" was the Revolutionary Oath.
    In the Constitution, considering its date, it says the President must have been a "resident" for fourteen years, since there was nothing to have been a "citizen" of in 1773--and that changes for the shorter requirements of the other offices.
    This matter was settled in the first election to the House of Representatives of
    Smith 1789:
    ...I must own that I feel myself at liberty to decide, that Mr. Smith was a citizen at the declaration of independence, a citizen at the time of his election, and consequently entitled to a seat in this legislature.

    Cong. Register description begins Thomas Lloyd, comp., The Congressional Register; or, History of the Proceedings and Debates of the First House of Representatives … (2 vols.; New York, 1789; Evans 22203–4). description ends , I, 391–95. The House decided overwhelmingly in favor of Smith. Many years later JM recalled this contested election when composing his essay on sovereignty (“Sovereignty,” [1835], Madison, Writings [Hunt ed.] description begins Gaillard Hunt., ed., The Writings of James Madison (9 vols.; New York, 1900–1910). description ends , IX, 570).

    He was challenged because of not having taken an oath, and was determined (overwhelmingly) to be a citizen simply by living.

    Having received this form of rebuke, the accuser wrote an apologetic tract on the current views in Ramsay 1789:

    ...citizens possess
    in their own right original sovereignty.

    There is also a great difference between citizens, and
    inhabitants or residents.
    Any person living within a country or state, is an
    inhabitant of it, or resident in it.
    Negroes are inhabitants, but not citizens. Citizenship
    confers a right of voting at elections, and many other privileges not enjoyed by those who are no more than inhabitants...

    That is exactly how it started. There is no second "republican form of government", a phrase without meaning.

    Find any examples of a period-appropriate person or group who realized Jefferson was secretly protecting some special group who were wise enough to not "give consent".

    It's not possible because they were all removed from the physical space.

    One argument against the Articles is that the phrase you quoted effectively means a slave--inhabitant (sovereign American national in your words) in one state could cross a border and be treated as a citizen in the next.

    Other state documents at the time interchange "subject" for "citizen"--same thing.

    One has to voluntarily surrender something in order to not be in the "state of nature", meaning without government.

    The Supreme Court ruled in favor of citizenship by birthright in 1830. In 1853, it was noted that an Austrian refugee who had been living and working in the United States for a number of years was a national, but not a citizen.
    Here are some relevant Decisions:
    a. The decision in Murray v. The Charming Betsy, 6 U.S. 64 (1804), demonstrates the Court's early understanding that all persons born in the United States were U.S. citizens, despite the fact that the individual at issue in the case had lived most of his life outside the country.

    b. In the case of Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor's Snug Harbor, 28 U.S. 99 (1830), the Court faced the question of whether a man born in New York State in 1776 was a U.S. citizen and therefore able to inherit real property. In doing so, the Court resolved complicated questions of how citizenship had been acquired during the Revolutionary War. The court found that those present on U.S. soil at the Declaration of Independence or born thereafter were presumed to be citizens, but the presumption of citizenship was rebutted upon a showing of intent to remain a British subject.

    Those are not turns of phrase construed out-of-context from some speech, it is Congress and the Supreme Court in some of their very first actions.

    In general terms, Jefferson was a devotee of "agrarian economy", a platform continued by Andrew Jackson, against national banking.

    Hamilton was a devotee of Wall Street, a platform continued by Whigs/Republicans such as Lincoln, who let in a national bank and for the first time began loading it with Treasury Bonds, a practice that has remained in place ever since.

    I have searched for the first instance of anyone using the "revoke consent" argument, and it was 1953, and not very pretty.

    Washington, Jefferson, and the revolutionaries were not risking their lives so that some unknown group could celebrate the mystery of being wise enough not to consent. That is specious.

    None of them were fighting "for" the Constitution, which already has such bad issues that Rhode Island resisted it with 1,000 armed men. It is too risky about moving power to the federal level in a way that favors the Wall Street faction. All of its early debates were filled with "states' rights" issues, which continued to come up through the 1800s, until Lincoln answered that too, by having one goal, preserving the union.

    If "perpetual" Articles can be repealed and replaced by a "non-perpetual" Constitution, obviously that body of law can meet the same fate. It must be "the Beast", as many of its early challengers described. Unfortunately, most of the historical review guides us to the ten Amendments called the Bill of Rights, neglecting the fact that there were about thirty other proposed amendments on the subject of limiting federal power.

    The main justification for the Articles would be that, for example, the state militia of Georgia would not travel and take action in New Jersey, and so by having the first Congress, agreements were reached so that those such as Washington could muster new forces that were highly mobile. The Constitution is such that state militias were slowly depleted and we were given a large standing federal army, which would have been abhorrent to Jefferson, and was one of the main arguments against ratifying the thing.

    As I see it, the serious issues are against, question the benefit of, and would "alter or abolish" the Constitution.

    I suppose many others see it as a "defining source of freedom" and "that which is to be preserved at all costs". Seems to me that this operates under the "threat" mentality; I need to be under the same government as someone in Idaho, because we are both about to be invaded by Swaziland. If Idaho disagrees, it does not really matter, since the Constitution provides ways for some states to oppress others.
    Citizens, by definition are NOT sovereigns. In fact, there is NO court case nor law that I could find wherein it stated that.
    I can find several that mention that PEOPLE ARE SOVEREIGNS. It is a common mistake to assume that citizens = people.
    In reality, they are mutually exclusive groups.
    How do we know this?
    Under the republican form, where ALL MEN are created equal and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure, they cannot be compelled to train, fight, and die on command.

    WHEREAS, all citizens have militia duty (as determined by law) among other duties.

    It was “the LAW” from day one.
    Geo.Wash. Sums it up nicely in 1783 - long before the constitution
    . . .
    “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
    - - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
    IN SHORT, NO citizen has any endowed right to life, liberty or private property, since he OWES a duty to the STATE, to defend it and pay for it. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

    . . . .
    CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
    “ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
    - - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
    https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
    . . .
    The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed... (i.e., republican form of government)
    But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc. That’s the consequence of migrating to their [socialist] democratic form of government, where a majority can legally persecute a minority... or tax the snot out of them.
    It’s been part of the law since day one. Did you miss the part in the Declaration where they pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”? All citizens are presumed to have made that same pledge. That’s how conscription / militia duty is 100% constitutional and not a violation of rights and liberties... “Volunteers” don’t have any.
    . . .
    "... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
    State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
    . . .
    GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE SOVEREIGN
    >>>||||||<<<
    “It will be sufficient to observe briefly that the sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the Prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance, and excludes the idea of his being on an equal footing with a subject, either in a court of justice or elsewhere... No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the PEOPLE, and they are truly the SOVEREIGNS of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves[.]
    “From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and governments founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State sovereign is the person or persons in whom that resides. In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the [sovereign] people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign [THE PEOPLE] in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
    - - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

    Who are the sovereigns served by the servant government?
    The PEOPLE !

    Who serve the government?
    The CITIZENS.

    People have rights & powers.
    Citizens have privileges & immunities.

    Until you grasp that, you will be hornswoggled by the legal sleaze.

    HOW do they write laws that do not apply to the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE?

    A 'PERSON' IS NOT A SOVEREIGN
    "In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
    Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
    (quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

    "A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
    Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

    “. . . A sovereign is not a person in a legal sense” In re Fox, 52 N. Y. 535, 11 Am. Rep. 751; U.S. v. Fox, 94 U.S. 315, 24 L. Ed. 192
    All "PERSONS" (subjects / slaves) can be born citizens. All people (sovereigns) cannot.

    Why?
    Because all mandatory civic duties derive from "voluntary" citizenship.
    Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of ALL ABLE-BODIED MALES at least 17 years of age and, ... under 45 years of age who are ... CITIZENS of the United States ...
    The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

    (If they’re not involuntary servitude, they MUST be voluntary. But they only apply to citizens. Did someone forget to tell us how and when we volunteered?)

    If one is liable for militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - certainly no longer has any right to life and liberty. That's been the law since day one.

    In short, citizenship is 100% voluntary lest mandatory civic duties become INVOLUNTARY servitude, banned by the republican form, by the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment.


    {BTW - there is only one nation on Earth with a republican form, where the people are the sovereigns. Ironically, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define it, nor its source and origin. Kudos to the world's greatest propaganda ministry.}
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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    [1]
    Most of the tax is for the house, the land is kind of cheap. Usually a trailer or mobile home is a "vehicle" registered with the DoT, and not considered a fixed appurtenance, therefor not added to property tax.

    [2] Income and property taxes are completely non-productive and ought to be repealed.

    [3] Even if Social Security "is" socialism, it is a fairly minor expense, that you get paid back, whereas most of those other taxes are taken hostage for something you do not agree with.
    [1] All ad valorem taxes ("property taxes") are limited to real estate held with qualified ownership. Whereas absolute ownership of private property is not taxable. In fact, only private property ownership is explicitly protected in all state and federal constitutions.
    There are no requirements for inhabitants (non residents) to register their private property, nor get permission (license) to own, possess or use such property.

    [2] No government instituted to secure endowed rights can tax them. Thus all taxes are limited to government privileges - which are all voluntary. Therefore, it matters not if the taxation is with or without representation, fair, equitable, etc, etc.

    [3] Socialist Insecurity is the legal basis for a host of abominations (inc. the recent Obamacare scam). And it is NOT insurance - at least not for the participant. In Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits. And that benefits are entirely at the discretion of Congress. Frankly, it was a "tax and bribe" scam to cover up imposing a new tax in the midst of the Great Depression.

    The only real insurance is a plot of land you absolutely own, work and provide sustenance for you and yours.

    Example of a 90% self sufficient garden enterprise on 3/4 acre in the high desert of western Colorado.

    https://youtu.be/i5yUPau-F1c

    Apparently there is no livestock or animal protein sources in the video - though there might be.

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    Homework assignment for those who are just starting to "read law for themselves."
    ...
    Determine the (legal) difference between the following pairs:
    1. national v. citizen
    2. sovereign v. subject
    3. individual v. person
    4. inhabitant v. resident
    5. domicile v. residence
    6. natural liberty v. civil liberty
    7. personal liberty v. political liberty
    8. private property v. estate (real and personal property)
    9. absolute ownership v. qualified ownership
    ...
    If you do not know the legal difference, you will not understand what has happened to the United States of America and the republican form of government promised to the American people. (See: Art.4, Sec.4, USCON)

    {When you check your own state’s constitution and laws, pay attention to trigger words : inhabitant, domicile, private property, common law, natural liberty, personal liberty, rights, powers, immunities, and sovereignty. Pay attention to the obligated party identified in the statute. Also note when the statute explicitly recognizes that the common law or any right derived from the common law supersedes it.}

    It's important to read the law, if only for these 9 pairs. For we're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, bar none. Academic study of the law (as found in colleges) will often omit anything to deal with the common law (common law marriage, common law copyright, etc), private property and endowed rights. Of course, 99.999% of Americans voluntarily left the republican form for the socialist democrazy.... or did they?

    Another example of the power of indoctrination can also be found in eCONomics. Anyone who has studied eCONomics knows the calculations for future worth, annuities, present worth, mortgages, etc. And yet no one has the common sense to realize that compound interest being calculated with an exponential equation, requires an INFINITE MONEY SUPPLY to operate over the long term.

    I like this because I found a reference from a LAWYER who knew eCONomics, as well.
    https://www.monetary.org/research-ar...roblem-remains
    In 1836 John Whipple, an American lawyer, showed the impossibility of sustaining long term metallic usury in this fashion:
    " If 5 English pennies... had been invested ... at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth."
    To pay usury over the long term, would require THIRTY TWO BILLION EARTH SIZED SPHERES OF GOLD. (Is that impossible enough for you? Is that sufficient proof that the usury is a scam to rob, cheat and steal?)

    [MATH CHECK]
    FV = future value, PV = present value

    FV = PV x (1+ interest)^time
    FV = PV x (1+0.05)^1835
    FV = PV x 762.7 x 10^36
    (10^36 :: Undecillion (Billion Billion Billion Billion)

    OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRUST THE 'EXPERTS' !
    Why would they lie to us?

    (wink, wink, nod, nod)

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    WARNING
    DO NOT READ IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE
    THIS WILL GREATLY UPSET YOU
    . . .:-:-:-:. . .
    You are a "voluntary" socialist slave, bankrupt, and have sold your children's children into perpetual servitude.
    . . .:-:-:-:. . .
    What facts support such a conclusion?
    Your consent, via citizenship, national socialism, and usury.
    • Citizenship imposes the obligation to support and defend the State with your life, your property and your obedience.
    • Socialism imposes the obligation to support other socialists, in addition to the aforementioned duty to the State.
    • Usury (interest bearing accounts) imposes the obligation of obedience to the "rules of the Bank" (international usurers), to whom you're pledged as collateral (*human resource).
    Thanks to FICA, every enumerated "contributor" is equally liable on the impossible to repay public debt.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/
    The current national debt is $34.2 trillion dollars (February, 2024), which computes to an obligation requiring 1.655 trillion ounces of gold, stamped into coin.
    ***Pursuant to the Coinage Act of 1792, a Double Eagle = coin containing 0.9675 ounce (troy) of gold bullion and other alloys. Equivalent to 20 unit dollars.
    DIVIDE the debt (in dollars) by 20, to compute the number of coins, and then multiply that by 0.9675 to compute the amount of GOLD BULLION NEEDED.
    Ex: 34.231 trillion dollars computes to 1.655 trillion ounces (Troy) of gold, stamped into coin.
    THE PROBLEM
    WORLD SUPPLY OF GOLD (EST) = 6.4 BILLION OUNCES ($132 Billion in lawful money, as defined by the Coinage Act of 1792)***

    World supply of gold (est) = 6.4 billion ounces
    BUT we owe 1,655 billion ounces (and rising)
    (shortfall of 1,649 billion ounces)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

    HOW is this possible?
    The national debt is a complete FRAUD !
    Congress was never lent that much gold.
    WHY won’t any politician address this?
    __________
    “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”
    - - - Section 4, 14th amendment, USCON
    “The validity of the public debt ... shall not be questioned.”

    According to the law, this is all by your consent. That is why there is NO REMEDY in the ballot box, or any other method that seeks to reform the socialist democracy from within. Your only remedy is to WITHDRAW CONSENT.

    When enough walking collateral departs, only then will the creditor be thwarted. Until then, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

    Either way, the "system" is approaching terminal collapse. The only difference is whether or not the people submit to the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republics of America or restore their endowments under the promised Republican Form of government.
    So far, the PDSRA is winning. Few Americans bother to read their own laws, and learn the truth. They'd rather listen to 'experts' and 'authorities' who ply them with pleasant lies and half truths.
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    Well, if it is not too much to ask, do you have any sort of "blueprint" for the Tulou buildings or even for the Ring Village?.
    Thought Experiment

    Using the 10 acre square equivalent for a “city block,” we can inscribe a dual ring village within.
    Square Block . . . . 10 Acres . . 4.05 Hectares
    Side Length . . . . 660 Feet . . 201.17 Meters
    Road Width . . . . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
    Ring2 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
    Balcony2 Width . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters
    Circle St. Width . . 18 Feet . . . . 5.49 Meters
    Balcony1 Width . . . 6 Feet . . . 1.83 Meters
    Ring1 Width . . . . . 40 Feet . . . 12.19 Meters
    Balcony0 Width. . . 6 Feet . . . . 1.83 Meters

    Dependent Variables
    Road Radius. . . . . . . 312 Feet . . . . .95.10 Meters
    Ring2 Radius . . . . . . 272 Feet. . . . . 82.91 Meters
    Balcony2 Radius. . . . 266 Feet . . . . 81.08 Meters
    Circle St. Radius . . . .248 Feet. . . . . 75.59 Meters
    Balcony1 Radius . . . .242 Feet . . . . .73.76 Meters
    Ring1 Radius .. . . . . .202 Feet . . . . 61.57 Meters
    Balcony0 Radius . . . .196 Feet . . . . . 59.74 Meters
    Park Area . . . . . . . . 2.77 Acres . . . . 1.12 Hectares


    Ring Area = (pi x rad1^2) - (pi x rad2^2)
    Rad1 = 312, Rad2 = 272; Rad3 = 242, Rad4 = 202
    RESULT = 129,182.29 sf per level
    For this simulation, the model dual ring village is home to 462 inhabitants (800 sf per capita),
    spread over 3 apartment levels, at a density of roughly 40 per acre.

    Parkland density of Ring Village

    Central Park area = 2.77 ACRES for 462 people,
    166.78 people / park acreage
    (the approx size of 2 football fields)

    In contrast:
    New York City = 38,147 acres parkland for 8,274,527 people,
    216.9 people / park acreage

    (Ring Villagers can change specifications, and adjust the DRV to fit their particular requirements.)


    As to livability, it compares well with the many suggestions stated in "A Pattern Language".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language

    Thanks for the thoughts, I will do some drafts and try to build a 3D model for it.

    Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

    What are your thoughts regarding materials?

    and thanks again for the measurements.


    Here are some screenshots of the 3D model for a Chinese Tulou, note there is no external wall in this model, but it could be added with an external layer. I found these models in `sketchup.com`, the buildings are not in line with @ozmirage suggestions, but could be adapted in case someone is going to build it.

    This Tulou has 3 levels in the external ring and 1 level in the internal ring, the central park is too small in this model, but it could be proportionally expanded, so that also means large buildings and even larger outer ring.



    This is an interesting model, I had seem places like this in Myanmar, usually old temples, they built it square, more like a square in a square, it is also called Tulou and there is a few in China too.


    General view


    Level access by stairs


    External layer has 3 levels of units and a balcony, the internal layer has only 1 level and it gives access to the central park (which needs to be resized)


    Units (living spaces)


    A view from the balcony


    Balcony, passages and units.


    Hovering over the buildings. Roof's view allow water collection with the use of gutters.


    View from above.


    External view, entrance.

    I don't know if it is necessary to have an external ring as wall (2m thick) for the security of the place.
    I think this 3d draws give us a basic idea of what it would be.

    It is an expensive construction I would say, I believe a strong united community could build such a thing using only natural materials, like straw bales, ***rammed earth, ***hard wood, etc.. in order to reduce costs. More or less like Amish build a barn in days using several dozen skilled people.

    If anyone want the `.skp` file for the 3D model, let me know I can upload somewhere.


    *** "In China, there are reports of Tulou built 900 to 1000 years ago, that are still standing. They were often built "dirt cheap" - literally - made from rammed earth and unfinished lumber."

    ref.: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1600302
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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Regarding the type of the material used in the construction, I read it was usually cut granite or just fire bricks, these materials alone are most cost effective than traditional building, in order to keep a project as such in as low as possible budget, I was wondering if rammed earth for at least the construction of the walls of the rings would be a good idea, or using things readily available like straw bale or hay bales (for insulation if necessary) with framed walls.. also earth bag could work for such a project.

    What are your thoughts regarding materials?

    and thanks again for the measurements.
    I don't know if it is necessary to have an external ring as wall (2m thick) for the security of the place.
    I think this 3d draws give us a basic idea of what it would be.

    It is an expensive construction I would say, I believe a strong united community could build such a thing using only natural materials, like straw bales, ***rammed earth, ***hard wood, etc.. in order to reduce costs. More or less like Amish build a barn in days using several dozen skilled people.

    If anyone want the `.skp` file for the 3D model, let me know I can upload somewhere.
    The older tulou were constructed of rammed earth, and the outer ring wall was, on average, 2m (6.6 ft) thick. But I see no problem using more modern materials, like reinforced concrete - poured in place, tilt up, or shotcrete.
    I am not fond of straw bales, etc, because of their ephemeral nature.
    Though we don't have the recipe for Roman concrete, there are examples of 2000+ year old concrete in service. It would be nice to build villages that last for millennia and not require expensive maintenance and repair.

    https://socks-studio.com/2014/02/01/...ng-for-equals/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160311...omes-tekst.htm
    "The round tulou, yuanlou, range widely in size. Five standing yuanlou exceed 70 meters (230 ft) in diameter and there are several less than 20 meters (65 ft) in diameter. Perhaps the largest is Zaitianlou in Zhaoan with 2,4 m (7.8 ft) thick walls and a diameter of 91 meters (298 ft)."
    Often the wall thickness varied as the height increased, forming a ledge for each floor joist.

    The very thick exterior ("barrier") wall (with one gateway) was probably based on their requirements for a fortified village / clan home to deal with clan warfare and even Japanese pirate raids.
    "The tulou is probably the largest, and defensively most advanced, village residences known."
    . . .
    The dual ring village is a more ambitious solution, focusing on disaster resistance as the justification for the robust exterior wall. A large, tall, massive wall can be a remedy to :
    ● Hurricanes, with storm surge, flying debris;
    ● Tornadoes, high wind and flying debris;
    ● Flooding, ice dams, rainfall, tsunamis;
    ● Mudslides; avalanches
    ● Blizzards, snowstorms, with high drifts;
    ● Forest fires;
    ● Earthquake, meteor shockwave;
    ● Vermin, insects, mold, mildew, pests, pestilence; and
    ● Weather extremes (hot or bitter cold).

    Though there is no one optimal size, the previous DRV example had a diameter double that of the largest tulou. Frankly, folks can choose any particular metric and design accordingly. . . park size, occupancy limit, in house businesses, transportation, and so on.
    There are some suggested limits : 4 to 5 story maximum height, based on the ability to climb stairs when there's no elevator, and the amount of shading / shadows cast onto the central park and main street.










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    Homework assignment for those who are just starting to "read law for themselves."
    ...
    Determine the (legal) difference between the following pairs:
    1. national v. citizen
    2. sovereign v. subject
    3. individual v. person
    4. inhabitant v. resident
    5. domicile v. residence
    6. natural liberty v. civil liberty
    7. personal liberty v. political liberty
    8. private property v. estate (real and personal property)
    9. absolute ownership v. qualified ownership
    ...
    If you do not know the legal difference, you will not understand what has happened to the United States of America and the republican form of government promised to the American people. (See: Art.4, Sec.4, USCON)

    {When you check your own state’s constitution and laws, pay attention to trigger words : inhabitant, domicile, private property, common law, natural liberty, personal liberty, rights, powers, immunities, and sovereignty. Pay attention to the obligated party identified in the statute. Also note when the statute explicitly recognizes that the common law or any right derived from the common law supersedes it.}

    It's important to read the law, if only for these 9 pairs. For we're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, bar none. Academic study of the law (as found in colleges) will often omit anything to deal with the common law (common law marriage, common law copyright, etc), private property and endowed rights. Of course, 99.999% of Americans voluntarily left the republican form for the socialist democrazy.... or did they?

    Another example of the power of indoctrination can also be found in eCONomics. Anyone who has studied eCONomics knows the calculations for future worth, annuities, present worth, mortgages, etc. And yet no one has the common sense to realize that compound interest being calculated with an exponential equation, requires an INFINITE MONEY SUPPLY to operate over the long term.

    I like this because I found a reference from a LAWYER who knew eCONomics, as well.
    https://www.monetary.org/research-ar...roblem-remains
    In 1836 John Whipple, an American lawyer, showed the impossibility of sustaining long term metallic usury in this fashion:
    " If 5 English pennies... had been invested ... at 5 per cent compound interest from the beginning of the Christian era until the present time, it would amount in gold of standard fineness to 32,366,648,157 each eight thousand miles in diameter, or as large as the earth."
    To pay usury over the long term, would require THIRTY TWO BILLION EARTH SIZED SPHERES OF GOLD. (Is that impossible enough for you? Is that sufficient proof that the usury is a scam to rob, cheat and steal?)

    [MATH CHECK]
    FV = future value, PV = present value

    FV = PV x (1+ interest)^time
    FV = PV x (1+0.05)^1835
    FV = PV x 762.7 x 10^36
    (10^36 :: Undecillion (Billion Billion Billion Billion)

    OF COURSE, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRUST THE 'EXPERTS' !
    Why would they lie to us?

    (wink, wink, nod, nod)


    USURY LINK CORRECTION
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180207...emains/2010/12
    Fixes dead links :
    http://www.monetary.org/the-usury-pr...emains/2010/12
    https://www.monetary.org/research-ar...roblem-remains

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