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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    I understand the non-citizenship argument.

    The difficulty is that it was never a cause, there was no common understanding based on this, and if not then it is hard to say it was the intent of the Founding Fathers. There was no such thing as an American National:
    IF THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AMERICAN NATIONAL, WHY IS THIS SECTION IN THE USCODE?
    .....
    In my copy of the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles), I found only ONE reference to American nationals.
    Title 8, USC Sec. 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.
    “ The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an AMERICAN NATIONAL and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.”
    That is ALL that the Federal government will say about American nationals. No mention of any civic duties, taxes, or compulsory regulations.
    P.S. - "U.S. national" is not synonymous with an "American national."

    (BTW - a domiciled American national is also a free inhabitant / non-resident. Check your own state constitution and laws for the distinction between residents and inhabitants (non-residents).)

    Remember, the servant (government) cannot define nor limit the master (sovereign people) and doesn't dare to "govern" them without consent.

    Still skeptical?
    "If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final."
    - - - Calvin Coolidge, Speech on the Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence (1926)
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge

    It's a common mistake to assume "everybody" born within the united States of America are "natural born citizens".
    But citizenship is 100% voluntary - and infants cannot consent.
    If ever citizenship is IMPOSED at birth, then the mandatory civic duties become INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE banned by the 13th amendment, as well as a violation of the republican form of government (and therefore a violation of the Declaration of Independence).

    IF you believe that the DECLARATION is not the foundation of American law, please correct that error.

    DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE IS LAW


    https://nccs.net/1998-06-the-declara...f-american-law
    (Do a site search on Professor John Eidsmoe if the page can’t be found)
    The Declaration of Independence Part of American Law
    Professor John Eidsmoe writes:
    "The role of the Declaration of Independence in American law is often misconstrued. Some believe the Declaration is simply a statement of ideas that has no legal force whatsoever today. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Declaration has been repeatedly cited by the U.S. Supreme Court as part of the fundamental law of the United States of America.

    "The United States Code Annotated includes the Declaration of Independence under the heading 'The Organic Laws of the United States of America' along with the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Northwest Ordinance. Enabling acts frequently require states to adhere to the principles of the Declaration; in the Enabling Act of June 16, 1906, Congress authorized Oklahoma Territory to take steps to become a state. Section 3 provides that the Oklahoma Constitution 'shall not be repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and the principles of the Declaration of Independence.' (Christianity and the Constitution, pp. 360-361)”
    = = = = =
    Check your own state constitution and statutes for restatements of the Declaration that are in harmony with the republican form.

    PENNSYLVANIA CONSTITUTION
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...0&div=0&chpt=1
    Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind

    All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.
    Is that clear? All men have the right to life and liberty.
    BUT
    If one consents to be a citizen - wuh woh, Scooby.

    Pennsylvania General Assembly
    Title 51, Part II, Chapter 3
    The Militia
    § 301. Formation.
    (a) Pennsylvania militia.--The militia of this Commonwealth shall consist of:
    (1) all able-bodied citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this Commonwealth, who are at least 17 years six months of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age...
    If you're a citizen, you are part of the militia, liable to be ordered to train, fight, and die on command.
    What happened to those endowed rights to life and liberty that "all men" have?
    D'Oh!

    TL;DR:
    [] American People / American nationals / non-citizens / free inhabitants are sovereigns without subjects, possessing Creator endowed rights, that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.

    [] American citizens / residents are subjects of their sovereign government, with mandatory civic duties to support and defend the government, that abrogate all endowments.
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    If you doubt that great expense and effort were used to ERADICATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE REPUBLICAN FORM, let me direct you to this tidbit:

    Under “G” - - -
    GOVERNMENT (Republican government) One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
    Under “R” - - -
    REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. A government in the republican form; a government of the people; a government by representatives chosen by the people. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 1303
    Which one more accurately (if convoluted) defines the form of government wherein the people are endowed with rights that make them sovereign over the government instituted to secure those rights?

    Which one uses a circular definition (red flag), and misrepresents it as a democratic form, with its elected representatives?

    What about a Commonwealth?
    COMMONWEALTH - ...It generally designates, when so employed, a republican form of government, - one in which the welfare and rights of the entire mass of people are the main consideration, rather than the privileges of a class or the will of the monarch...
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 278
    Characteristics of a republican form:
    [] Individual sovereignty, directly exercised
    [] Government instituted to secure rights, and nothing more without explicit consent
    (Source : Declaration of Independence, 1776)

    DEMOCRATIC FORM
    DEMOCRACY - That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy."
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 432

    DEMOCRACY - Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. Majority rule.
    - - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.
    Characteristics of the democratic form:
    [] Whole body of citizens indirectly exercise “collective sovereignty” *(oxymoron)
    [] Governed by elected officers and officials
    [] a majority can legally oppress a minority
    *(No minority has “sovereignty” when outvoted by the majority)
    . . .
    Due to mandatory civic duties, no citizen within a democracy retains Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, or absolute ownership of private property.

    Restating - - -
    Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to [a] secure their endowed rights and [b] govern those who consent.

    Caveat - consent waives endowed rights.

    Absent consent, all that governments are empowered to do is adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The people retain all endowed rights and are thus sovereigns without subjects.
    (Chisholm v Georgia, etc)

    BUT IF YOU CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED, mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed rights to life, liberty and private property. In short, sit down, shut up, pay and obey.

    Would you believe George Washington?
    . . .
    “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
    - - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
    [... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

    IN SHORT,
    The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (qualified ownership of estate, via ad valorem taxes, etc). .. by his consent to be governed.
    CITIZENS HAVE NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
    (That's one of the reasons why there was such a demand for "guarantees" embodied in the "Bill of Rights". Nothing in the ten amendments is for the benefit of the sovereign people who retained their endowed rights. It was for the subject citizens who had surrendered their endowments.)

    Skeptical still?
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...”
    - - - Declaration of Independence, 1776

    NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

    NATURAL LIBERTY - The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless by the law of nature. The right which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner in which they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the law of nature, and so as not to interfere in the equal exercise of the same rights by other men. 1 Blackstone's Commentaries, 123,
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth edition, p.919

    " PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
    - - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
    PEOPLE have natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, etc, etc.
    CITIZENS have mandatory civic duties that abrogate natural and personal liberty and replace them with civil and political liberties.
    I have yet to find one mandatory civic duty that applies to non-citizen American nationals / free inhabitants domiciled within the united States of America, who retained their natural and personal liberty.

    WHAT ABOUT CIVIL LIBERTY?
    CIVIL LIBERTY is the power to do whatever is permitted by the constitution of the state and the laws of the land. It is no other than natural liberty, so far RESTRAINED BY HUMAN LAWS, and no further, operating equally upon all the citizens, as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public." 1 Black. Com. 125; Paley's Mor. Phil. B. 6, c.5; Swifts Syst. 12
    --- Bouvier's Law Dictionary

    CIVIL LIBERTY - The liberty of a member of society, being a man's natural liberty, so far restrained by human laws (and no further) as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public. 1 Bl.Comm. 125. The power of doing whatever the laws permit. 1 Bl.Comm. 6. The greatest amount of absolute liberty which can, in the nature of things, be equally possessed by every citizen in a state.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 918

    LICENSE - A personal privilege to do some particular act or series of acts on land without possessing any estate or interest therein, and is ordinarily revocable at the will of the licensor and is not assignable... The PERMISSION by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, a tort, or otherwise not allowed.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p. 920
    FYI: Licenses are part of civil liberty. People who have NATURAL LIBERTY do not need PERMISSION. They are not restrained by human laws... only the law of nature. No constitution, election or majority can deny endowed rights.

    Thanks to the world's greatest propaganda ministry, most Americans believe they're "born citizens" in a "constitutional republic", and should exercise "political liberty" (voting and holding public office) to "participate in government."
    No one mentions that once one consents, all endowed rights are surrendered.
    Worse, when one signs up with national socialism (FICA), one has accepted the burden to support all other socialists, as well as become a liable party on the impossible to repay public debt. [See: Contribution]
    And eligibility and acceptance of public charity ("entitlements") makes one a status criminal (pauper) and excepted from the protections of the USCON.

    And that's why it was so important to eradicate any knowledge of the republican form of government, in which "all men" are born equal and have Creator endowed rights that are not subject to nor object of the servant governments instituted to secure those endowments.
    If you have mandatory civic duties (militia duty, jury duty, paying taxes, etc, etc) you are NOT under the republican form, but under the democratic form, by your consent to be governed.

    BUT if fraud was used to get your consent, you have the right to denounce the fraud, and withdraw that consent, and restore endowed rights.
    OF course, if a large majority of Americans did such a thing, the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA would collapse in a New York Minute, being denied the tax revenues to spend, and subjects to rule.
    And "good Christian Americans" would forgive those errant servants, but I fear that their foreign masters would not be so forgiving and would smite them.


    The one thing feared across the globe is the success and triumph of America's republican form, which would inspire the subjects of the world to REVOLT against their masters.

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    "STARVE THE BEAST" is impossible if you're a consenting subject /crewman on the "Ship of State".

    BASIC REFERENCES TO RFOG
    ● ENDOWED RIGHTS : life, liberty, privacy, absolute ownership, inherent powers
    ● INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY: dominion over one’s person, liberty, private property
    ● LIBERTY: natural and personal
    ● ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP of land as private property (constitutionally protected)

    BASIC REFERENCES TO DFOG
    ● Government privileges : political and civil liberties (aka “civil rights”)
    ● Loss of endowed rights to life and liberty : mandatory civic duties
    ● Submission to the State : subject to and object of rules and regulations
    ● Not at liberty : required to get permission (license)
    ● Qualified ownership of estate : subject to confiscation (without just compensation) for non payment of ad valorem taxes.

    If you had a choice, which would you prefer?
    Yes, the law says you have a choice.

    REFORM DEMOCRACY?
    Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
    Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
    (D'oh!)

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    @ Palehorse:

    TIME & ACTION

    It might be true that there is not that much time. But that should not bother us.

    If you’re scared that you will not have enough time to do something you’ll not be able to do it even if you would get enough time.

    Rather it should motivate us more to take exactly the right actions to build strong foundations for the future we want.

    It’s not enough that people know NEW SYSTEMS are a huge part of the solution if no one is working on them.
    (It’s like knowing a good roof over your head will keep you dry. If no one is working on constructing that roof, only knowing that you need a roof will not keep you dry. …)


    FEEDING THE BEAST WITH YOUR ENERGY?:

    FEAR vs WISDOM


    Remember everything is energy, (and everything is still possible).
    It’s also important to understand that
    Quote everything will always return to a state of harmony & balance one way or another.
    Thus when you perceive one energy winning/losing remember that that is only a temporary state.

    The dark side of the elite does not want you to know those things, they just loves to stress you and make you fearful, so that no one can not think of any substantial solutions. They love it when we all watch their show being revealed and start panicking & sort of running in different directions screaming from fear and anxiety.

    They love fear. They feed on fear and aggression.

    (Also; if you fear something you actually direct your own energy towards creating more of what you fear. Thus you’re feeding the beast with your fears …)

    Taking sound, well thought out, actions because you know something is coming, that’s something different. Everyone needs to take the best actions for their own life path.

    But you should NEVER take action out of fear, aggression, sadness, hate or so, because then you actually give your strength away towards things you do not want to absorb your energy…

    In other words to “starve the beast”, on an energetic level, you would also need to train your psyche in being as fearless as possible and staying emotionally undisturbed even when faced with the most disturbing information. In addition to cultivating your connection to the cosmic law of harmony & the light/heart energy in every cell of your body.
    Quote In essence try to live from the heart and live with wisdom and the illusion of fear will start fading away. (This way you're not feeding the beast with your energy anymore.)

    THE ELITE’s CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE

    I do believe that even amongst “the elite” there are also those who are connected to the cosmic force of harmony; light/love and/or are wise enough to see the bigger picture and understand that everything is connected.
    The only reason why we’re in the situation we’re in now, is because a certain part of the elite is much too disconnected from the knowledge of the whole & the consequences of their plans & actions towards the whole, including their own future.

    But now, I think there’s already enough awareness at all levels that a different direction (to safeguard the future of this planet and its inhabitants) must be taken.


    A NEW ROAD: PARALLEL SYSTEM:

    THE AGE OF AQUARIUS


    Since everything is connected; giving a road to the opposite energy is beneficial for everyone, including the elite. Because energy that does not get a place will find a place one way or another. (Definitively since they’re playing around with energy from souls returning to this planet over and over & different dimensions and major timelines).

    The more they understand that the opposite energy also needs to be able to manifest here, the more they are in alignment with the highest laws of the universe, I think. (Thus I have faith in whatever will happen.)
    This because energy can not disappear. It only transforms and shows up somewhere or sometime else.

    Energy is the only thing that can not be controlled except by the creator of everything.
    And it's this primary creation force which decides the universal rules and the way the energies change over time.
    But that force works through all of us, thus we still need to do what's necessary.

    Therefor, I think, it is better to start working on those parallel structure right now. Whatever may happen.

    Basically not many people are needed to start up a parallel structure. And the structure can begin with some basic concepts.


    YOU ARE THE CHANGE: LOVE & FREEDOM MARCHES ‑–­‑­­­­­­➔ STRUCTURES FOR HARMONY

    But it does need some devoted people to begin with.

    So where are all those brave and smart people ? (Those who are able to focus on creating a better change for this world long enough to make it a reality.)

    If we all watch, the avalanche of information about what’s going on and what is going to come, and don’t do anything constructive, many of these predictions will come true, but if we (or some people) do the right things today and start working together on building a different structure, most of the calamities will never come to pass.


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    Quote Posted by Johan (Keyholder) (here)
    "If no country is suitable, make your own."

    I really like that idea Tiyaira, but I wonder how one can do it. Even in a "small" way.
    Making our own reality, we cŕn do, even if it is somewhat limited. By "traveling inwards", it can be done though.

    Have you arrived at a point where you feel you have - at least for your own self - achieved this?
    Somehow I intuit you did. If so, congrats to you! It's an extraordinary feat in my opinion.

    A few weeks ago I visited a country few people even know. It's very poor, yet there was (or is) a small "enclave" where what you described could be created. It would not even take a lot of money to emigrate there.

    "Pursue self-determination, learn international law and the Law of Nations, build yourself up into a strong and honourable character, find some like-minded people, and take your freedom by agreement."

    All of the above would be possible over there, but there are many other reasons why the chances to make it work are tiny.
    If you want, I can go in more detail. The name of the country may tell it all though: Malawi.

    Found something interesting about Malawai.

    Here is the news:

    ~~~
    The Secretary of State signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi

    5 October, Mzuzu, Malawi.

    Liberland Secretary of State, Dr. Tariq Abbasi, reports that the marathon of negotiations he initiated more than a year ago has been a success.

    Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

    The content of the Memorandum is comprehensive, promising tighter economic relations between the countries, peaceful resolutions of disputes should any occur between the parties, and a joint effort to attain mutually agreed upon development goals.

    The Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi has ratified the Memorandum. The reason is simple: Both Liberland and Malawi wish to start their cooperation through activities in this sector. Malawi has the potential to become one of the breadbaskets of Africa and, perhaps, in time, of the entire world.

    Given the current complicated situation regarding supply lines caused by the COVID crisis and the conflict in Ukraine, the time has come for Africa to step up to the international stage. The Ministry of Agriculture of Malawi recognizes this opportunity, and so does Liberland.

    To give practical effect to the stipulations in the Memorandum, Dr. Abbasi has also founded the Liberland Trade Mission and Aid Foundation, a new entity in Malawi, which will cooperate with the government of Malawi to fulfil the Memorandum’s purposes.

    We are happy to see this effort come to fruition and hope for a fruitful partnership between Liberland and Malawi.
    ~~~

    Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines.

    I remember when they start not so long ago, it is unbelievable how fast they are moving (Note: I am not sure who is behind the entire thing).

    source: https://liberland.org/en/news/407-di...cess-in-malawi

    For those who does not know what Liberland is, you can head to their official website :
    https://liberland.org/
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
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    REFORM DEMOCRACY?
    Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
    Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
    (D'oh!)
    cough cough that was a good one, I have to say I agree with that, but not ALL libertarians are made the same, some just leave after they realizing the size of the trouble, some of them are good Anarchists.
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    Quote Posted by palehorse (here)
    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
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    REFORM DEMOCRACY?
    Trying to reform the democratic form of government is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic - after it hit the iceberg.
    Even Libertarians have zero clue - they seek to "enact sovereignty" by surrendering their sovereignty in order to participate in the democratic form of government.
    (D'oh!)
    cough cough that was a good one, I have to say I agree with that, but not ALL libertarians are made the same, some just leave after they realizing the size of the trouble, some of them are good Anarchists.
    Comment derived from the LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM, which one may presume to be supported by all self-proclaimed Libertarians. And being a "POLITICAL" organization, posting candidates and voting, it is consenting to the DEMOCRATIC FORM of government.

    https://www.lp.org/platform/
    “As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others.”
    You cannot become free by volunteering to be a servant.
    You cannot be sovereign by surrendering sovereignty to be a subject citizen.
    You cannot rise to sovereignty by sinking into submission to the government.

    It's ironic that America's republican form already recognizes that "all men" are "sovereigns without subjects."
    ". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the [American] people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
    - - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z


    All Americans are born equal (before the law - none higher). If no one can be "HIGHER" in status, then all Americans are at the HIGHEST status at law - sovereign. All elected and appointed government officers are "PUBLIC SERVANTS" (subjects), who are one step DOWN in status from the lowliest sovereign American.
    Even the highest ranking public servant, the president, is one step below the lowliest sovereign American.

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    NO NEED TO "MAKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY"...
    IF
    YOU ARE A SOVEREIGN AMERICAN DOMICILED UPON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Upon your private propertyj, constitutionally protected, you can "pursue happiness" without permission of another. Unfortunately, since 1933, and the confiscation of lawful money from circulation, most Americans have not purchased / acquired private property absolutely owned. Instead, they have qualified ownership of estate ("real estate", "real property").
    [P.S. - "allodial title" is NOT a reference to private property.]
    PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

    “... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
    - - - Fifth Amendment, U.S. Constitution
    All State and Federal constitutions explicitly protect private property rights... the right of every individual to absolutely own himself, his labor, the fruits of his labor and the lands he acquires by the sweat of his brow.
    OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted.
    - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

    LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
    - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

    ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein.
    - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

    REAL ESTATE .... is synonymous with real property.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1263

    REAL PROPERTY ... A general term for lands, tenements, heriditaments; which on the death of the owner intestate, passes to his heir.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed.,p.1218

    INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than title.
    - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

    TITLE - "The formal right of ownership of property..."
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1485.

    DEED - A conveyance of realty.
    - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.414

    REALTY - A brief term for real property or real estate.
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1264
    Estate = real and personal property = real estate = qualified ownership
    A "title deed" to real estate is not a TITLE to private property.
    Joint tenancy (community property) cannot be absolutely owned by an individual.
    FYI - coverture in marriage was the usual means to preserve private property status, having all property rights vested in the husband.


    CAVEAT : If you consent to be governed as a citizen, you've pledged your life, your fortune (lands), and sacred honor, and no longer have absolute ownership of private property. You can only have qualified ownership of estate and must pay AD VALOREM TAXES or lose that property.


    Ask your public servants to produce a law or court citation that :
    ● Denies the endowed right to absolutely own lands and houses;
    ● Imposes a tax on private property, absolutely owned by an individual;
    ● Defines a minimum domicile;
    ● Requires the registration of private property transfers; or
    ● Absolves the requirement to pay just compensation (in lawful money - not wastepaper IOUs) for public takings of private property.
    Republican form of government, digest form:
    ● What’s yours is yours.
    ● What’s mine is mine.
    ● Do not trespass upon the person, liberty or property of another - or else my servant, the government, will punish you.
    IMHO, the republican form is the BEST form of government. Don't let it fail by ignorance, apathy or arrogance.
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    @ Palehorse:

    TIME & ACTION

    It might be true that there is not that much time. But that should not bother us.

    If you’re scared that you will not have enough time to do something you’ll not be able to do it even if you would get enough time.

    Rather it should motivate us more to take exactly the right actions to build strong foundations for the future we want.

    It’s not enough that people know NEW SYSTEMS are a huge part of the solution if no one is working on them.
    (It’s like knowing a good roof over your head will keep you dry. If no one is working on constructing that roof, only knowing that you need a roof will not keep you dry. …)


    FEEDING THE BEAST WITH YOUR ENERGY?:

    FEAR vs WISDOM


    Remember everything is energy, (and everything is still possible).
    It’s also important to understand that
    Quote everything will always return to a state of harmony & balance one way or another.
    Thus when you perceive one energy winning/losing remember that that is only a temporary state.

    The dark side of the elite does not want you to know those things, they just loves to stress you and make you fearful, so that no one can not think of any substantial solutions. They love it when we all watch their show being revealed and start panicking & sort of running in different directions screaming from fear and anxiety.

    They love fear. They feed on fear and aggression.

    (Also; if you fear something you actually direct your own energy towards creating more of what you fear. Thus you’re feeding the beast with your fears …)

    Taking sound, well thought out, actions because you know something is coming, that’s something different. Everyone needs to take the best actions for their own life path.

    But you should NEVER take action out of fear, aggression, sadness, hate or so, because then you actually give your strength away towards things you do not want to absorb your energy…

    In other words to “starve the beast”, on an energetic level, you would also need to train your psyche in being as fearless as possible and staying emotionally undisturbed even when faced with the most disturbing information. In addition to cultivating your connection to the cosmic law of harmony & the light/heart energy in every cell of your body.
    Quote In essence try to live from the heart and live with wisdom and the illusion of fear will start fading away. (This way you're not feeding the beast with your energy anymore.)

    THE ELITE’s CONNECTION TO THE WHOLE

    I do believe that even amongst “the elite” there are also those who are connected to the cosmic force of harmony; light/love and/or are wise enough to see the bigger picture and understand that everything is connected.
    The only reason why we’re in the situation we’re in now, is because a certain part of the elite is much too disconnected from the knowledge of the whole & the consequences of their plans & actions towards the whole, including their own future.

    But now, I think there’s already enough awareness at all levels that a different direction (to safeguard the future of this planet and its inhabitants) must be taken.


    A NEW ROAD: PARALLEL SYSTEM:

    THE AGE OF AQUARIUS


    Since everything is connected; giving a road to the opposite energy is beneficial for everyone, including the elite. Because energy that does not get a place will find a place one way or another. (Definitively since they’re playing around with energy from souls returning to this planet over and over & different dimensions and major timelines).

    The more they understand that the opposite energy also needs to be able to manifest here, the more they are in alignment with the highest laws of the universe, I think. (Thus I have faith in whatever will happen.)
    This because energy can not disappear. It only transforms and shows up somewhere or sometime else.

    Energy is the only thing that can not be controlled except by the creator of everything.
    And it's this primary creation force which decides the universal rules and the way the energies change over time.
    But that force works through all of us, thus we still need to do what's necessary.

    Therefor, I think, it is better to start working on those parallel structure right now. Whatever may happen.

    Basically not many people are needed to start up a parallel structure. And the structure can begin with some basic concepts.


    YOU ARE THE CHANGE: LOVE & FREEDOM MARCHES ‑–­‑­­­­­­➔ STRUCTURES FOR HARMONY

    But it does need some devoted people to begin with.

    So where are all those brave and smart people ? (Those who are able to focus on creating a better change for this world long enough to make it a reality.)

    If we all watch, the avalanche of information about what’s going on and what is going to come, and don’t do anything constructive, many of these predictions will come true, but if we (or some people) do the right things today and start working together on building a different structure, most of the calamities will never come to pass.


    All is one


    Hi All is one, I really appreciated the time you took to write this post, thank you.

    I am not doing things out of fear, but I started my transition out of the system quite a while ago when I decided to retire from the the debit system, and I decided that should be gradually/slowly until full withdrawn, I try to engage every now and then to know who is really interested in such things like building communities, alternative ways of life, parallel structures, seclusion (yes, why not?), self sustainable lifestyle and all these sort of stuffs, it is important to know what works and what does not, and there is no way to do that alone, we need each other.

    I know it is possible to achieve success in this endeavor, need the right people, patience and persistence.

    Everything you said must be part of such a community (gives direction), it is so important and I am sure many understand it as well.

    In practical terms since I could not find anyone except a Canadian guy (but unfortunately he never showed up) that was interested in helping develop the land, today it is me and my daughter into it and she was delighted in learning about natural building, she got a really nice view of simple architecture despite of her age, we first built a cob oven and then bricks all out of clay/sand, we also made lime powder from stones, just "cooking" it in the previously built cob oven, we learned so much things in so little time, and that is a pleasure to be able to do such things on our own, that's real wealth, we already half established a perennial area.. and we want more things like build our own home from scratch using natural building techniques, dig a pond by hand, pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.. and everything we can do on our own.

    By now I am interested in learning as much as I can about natural building among other constructions style, for example the Tulou and Ring Village are new for me, thanks for that I can now explore a bit of more options.

    What really keep me going is the fact that if 2 of us was able to do what we have done, I can't imagine an entire community working together towards a unique goal, so much can be done and will.

    To be frank with you, I don't want have anything to do with what is being done to the world, in terms of politics only if I decide to learn as much as possible about it would make some sense to pick a fight, otherwise it is a waste of time (my personal opinion). It is not about fear, I got extremely bored about this useless system we live on, and boredom may kill.

    I see all this patriotism narrative been pushed around in many countries, same script, same ideals, almost same slogan.. feels pretty much like marketing. I am out of it for good and I don't want my bloodline be part of it either.

    My basic tactics is to be part of the bare minimum necessary to stay "legally allowed" living in society until I can find a complete way out of it, but until there it will be like that.

    Nowadays I have 1 "valid" passport with a valid visa and 1 bank account for deal with these issues, all the rest I already ditched or it expired on their own. My ID card in my home country is NOT valid anymore, but I still "their" citizen for whatever it worth for them, for me worth as much as nothing

    There is no fear Amigo, I am a hands on sort of person, I like to explore options and listen to others, also I am trying things constantly, I am not afraid of make mistakes, indeed I do sometimes, no big deal if I can learn from it, if I can built a test ground on the land I have available here, it could probably serve as an example to be used in another places. I don't know exactly how it will be, I am open to ideas and solutions, that's the goal of this thread, try to break free as much as we can from technology and madness.

    I hope we can accumulate as much useful information in this thread along the time, we already got very good points.

    Once again many thanks for your post
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    A chaos to the sense, a Kosmos to the reason.

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    ADDENDUM :
    IN AMERICAN LAW - - -

    Real estate and private property are mutually exclusive.
    Presumption of private property rights will not prevail when only the privileges of qualified ownership of estate are in operation.

    Resident citizens are subjects, while domiciled Americans are sovereigns.
    Presumption of sovereign prerogatives will not prevail when only the privileges of citizenship are in operation.

    EXAMPLES OF SOVEREIGN PREROGATIVES - - -
    The most famous is the legal right to inflict capital punishment absent trial upon trespassers.
    If one posts the warning:
    "PRIVATE PROPERTY - NO TRESPASSING - TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT,"
    the owner will not be prosecuted for executing trespassers.
    If you absolutely own yourself, then you also can kill in "SELF DEFENSE," and not be prosecuted.
    TRESPASS - An unlawful interference with one's person, property, or rights... Any unauthorized intrusion or invasion of private premises or land of another. Antkiewicz v. Motorists Mut. Ins. Co., 91 Mich. App. 389, 283 N.W. 2d 749, 753
    - - - Black's Law dictionary, Sixth Ed. P. 1502

    PREMISES - Land, the buildings on it, or both the land and the buildings on it.

    TRESPASS (Law) To commit an unlawful injury to the person, property, or rights of another, with actual or implied force or violence, especially to enter onto another's land wrongfully.
    WHOA!
    That's a potent sovereign prerogative.


    ● SELF DEFENSE : (Law) The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary.
    ● AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE : An affirmative defense to a civil lawsuit or criminal charge is a fact or set of facts other than those alleged by the plaintiff or prosecutor which, if proven by the defendant, defeats or mitigates the legal consequences of the defendant's otherwise unlawful conduct. In criminal prosecutions, examples of affirmative defenses are self defense, insanity, and the statute of limitations.
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    Your OWN dominion is your own "country".
    DOMINION - Generally accepted definition of "dominion" is perfect control in right of ownership. The word implies both title and possession and appears to require a complete retention of control over disposition. -Sovereignty; as the dominion of the seas or over a territory.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.486

    GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people ... directly ...
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
    To directly exercise sovereignty, as stated in the definition for the RFOG, it begs the question : "Where?"

    The fact that only in America is absolute ownership of private property recognized, and is why one must have a domicile (not a residence).
    "INHABITANT - One who resides actually and permanently in a given place, and has his domicile there."
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

    "DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

    "RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies something more than physical presence and something less than domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal meaning... [One can have many residences but only one domicile]
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

    "RESIDENT - ...when used as a noun, means a dweller, habitant, or occupant; one who resides or dwells in a place for a period of more, or less duration...
    Resident has many meanings in law, largely determined by statutory context in which it is used."
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1309
    A "legal residence" is NOT a permanent legal home (domicile).

    Why is being an inhabitant important?
    "The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states ... shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; ...."
    [Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]
    Free inhabitants - who are not subject citizens - are recognized as having endowed rights that government was instituted to secure. They are the sovereign people.

    If you are listed in the public records as a RESIDENT, you are NOT an inhabitant. And if you are a citizen, you are a subject.
    Isn't it curious that only RESIDENTS are required or eligible to get permission (license)?

    Does government make the distinction?
    YES.
    " No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property ... on account of religious opinions..."
    - - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 4

    "... private property shall not be taken or damaged for public purposes without just and adequate compensation being first paid.'
    - - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 1
    No inhabitant, domiciled in Georgia, who believes that participation in socialism is a violation of his religious beliefs is to be molested, nor is his private property liable to be taken without just compensation first being paid.

    I think you can guess what is NOT mentioned as subject to being taxed in the Georgia constitution. (ans: private property)

    Oh, but what about RESIDENTS?
    “ Citizens, protection of. All citizens of the United States, resident in this state, are hereby declared citizens of this state ; and it shall be the duty of the General Assembly to enact such laws as will protect them in the full enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and immunities due to such citizenship.”
    - - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 7
    All U.S. citizens (subjects) resident in the state (not as inhabitants) are declared subject citizens of the state, as well. Isn't that SPECIAL?

    I have not read all law, I am not infallible, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.

    If you believe otherwise, I suggest that you go to your county courthouse law library and read the statutes for yourself.
    Do not believe me.
    Go read law.
    Prove me wrong.
    I will be grateful for the correction.

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    Due to current conditions of "EMERGENCY RULES" (since 1933) and capitulation to foreign financial powers (via Bretton Woods "Agreement", etc), the U.S. governments are unlikely to change their policies that placate the "Creditor".
    However, their obligations to secure rights of the non-consenting, non-citizen, non-resident, sovereign American nationals / people / free inhabitants is still on the books, and ironically, still not breached.

    It is stipulated that there are very FEW Americans who have (a) withdrawn consent -and- (b) established a domicile upon private property absolutely owned. And with all the eCONomic restrictions and taxes, it is doubly difficult to do it on one's own.

    ONE POSSIBLE REMEDY...
    A group of people who share a common goal might pool their resources, and acquire property to establish their own dominion... as a religious retreat.

    As everyone knows, land held in mortmain (dead hands) is not subject to ad valorem taxes. And if the lands and buildings are held by the bishop (corporation sole), they comply with the definition of "private property" held by an individual.
    But how does that help the individuals who are not holders of "private property"?

    If all "church members" have a life estate in the village, they have a permanent, legal home.
    LIFE ESTATE - In common law and statutory law, a life estate (or life tenancy) is the ownership of immovable property for the duration of a person's life. In legal terms, it is an estate in real property that ends at death when ownership of the property may revert to the original owner, or it may pass to another person. The owner of a life estate is called a "life tenant".
    There IS a difference between a hierarchical and a congregational church. The former has a bishop, corporation sole, who is the holder of church property in mortmain (dead hands). The latter is an artificial person, governed by a board, and must register its agent, for proper due notice. Can you guess which one YOU should have?
    CORPORATION (Aggregate and sole). A corporation sole is one consisting of one person only, and his successors in some particular station, who are incorporated by law in order to give them some legal capacities and advantages, particularly that of perpetuity, which in their natural persons they could not have had. In this sense, the sovereign in England is a sole corporation, so is a BISHOP ...
    - - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.341.
    Note: in general use, a sole corporation is secular, a corporation sole is ecclesiastical.
    BISHOP. A high-ranking Christian cleric, and in some churches regarded as having received the HIGHEST ORDINATION in unbroken succession from the apostles.
    - - - American Heritage Dictionary

    RIGHT REVEREND - a title of respect for an Anglican or Roman Catholic bishop.
    - - - Collins English Dictionary
    (Abbreviations: The Rt Revd; The Rt Rev’d; The Rt Rev.)
    (The Pope is merely a "Bishop" - and all others are his subordinates, regardless of title, and are inferior to his rank.)

    In short, if you can't afford to establish your own domicile upon private property, you can still enjoy most of the benefits of private property within a religious enclave that you have established or joined.
    And no American government can make a law that defines what can or cannot be a religion. (Unless you're foolish enough to ask for a special privilege - which does not include tax exemption - since taxation is limited to government privileges!).

    So consider defining your fortified village design as a monastery, nunnery, religious retreat, ashram, camp, college, or anything else that fulfills your group goals.
    COLLEGE - A body of clerics living together on an endowment.
    - - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.

    CLERIC - A member of the clergy.
    No government dare make a "clerical error" and trespass their endowed rights.
    BENEFIT OF CLERGY - a privilege that placed the clergy outside the jurisdiction of secular courts and entitled them to trial in ecclesiastical courts.
    In its original sense, the phrase denoted the exemption which was accorded to clergymen from the jurisdiction of the secular courts, or from arrest or attachment on criminal process issuing from those courts in certain particular cases.
    - - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.158

    CIVIL DEATH - The state of a person who, though possessing natural life, has lost all his civil rights, and as to them, is considered dead.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 488.

    RELIGIOUS MEN - Such as entered into some monastery or convent... Religious men are civilly dead.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1456.
    Civil death = outside of the taxing powers and permissions of secular government. However, civil death has no effect on natural and personal liberty.
    MORTMAIN - A term applied to denote the alienation of lands or tenements to any corporation, sole or aggregate, ecclesiastical or temporal. These purchases having been chiefly made by religious houses, in consequence of which lands became perpetually inherent in one "dead hand", this occasioned the general appellation of "mortmain" to be applied to such alienations. 2 Bl.Comm. 268; Perin v. Carey, 65 U.S. (24 How.) 465, 16 L.Ed. 701.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1012
    Property held by religious orders is tax exempt, thanks to mortmain. Since taxes are limited to government privileges, no religious order is exercising a civil privilege, with its members being civilly dead. Also note that the definition doesn’t mention real estate.
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    RINGER MADNESS?

    If you're considering the establishment of a DUAL RING VILLAGE, as a viable goal, and you wish to incorporate as many positive features into the design as possible, one might combine the benefits of an ecclesiastical foundation (religious) and a cash-cow (secular).

    How now, cash cow?

    Use the unique shape as a movie set, to be rented out. (have plenty of ways to change the facade and decor) And also encourage using Ringers as paid extras. Which also makes it a great tourist attraction.

    For re-enactors (i.e. Society for Creative Anachronism, etc). Individual tradesmen and craftsmen might have their storefronts arranged for display to an audience. Local Ringers might also participate, in period costumes.

    For dramatists, a Globe theater within an Elizabethan motif dual ring village might be in demand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Theatre
    The Globe's actual dimensions are unknown, but its shape and size can be approximated from scholarly inquiry over the last two centuries. The evidence suggests that it was a three-storey, open-air amphitheatre approximately 100 feet (30 m) in diameter that could house up to 3,000 spectators.

    Within a 250' radius (500' diameter park), a 100' diameter (approx) theater might fit snugly. And if the height was increased to match the dual ring, even greater capacity is possible.

    This theater could also be the Fellowship Hall / Church / Sanctuary.


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    If you are building an enclave in an area known for high heat and bright sunlight, you might consider the benefits of a subterranean network of grottoes and tunnels.

    An example of a subterranean garden that exhibits up to a 20 degree reduction in ambient temperature is the Forestiere Underground Garden, in Fresno, California.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Gardens

    https://www.visitfresnocounty.org/th...round-gardens/

    A dual ring village that has an underground network of tunnels and grottoes would have many benefits, especially if the central park above is to be reserved for children and greenery.
    The tunnels could offer "back alley" access to businesses that have their storage below grade.
    A light rail "People mover" and cargo carrier could be located there.

    The previously mentioned Shakespearean Globe Theater could be "sunk" 12+ feet below grade, so that the patrons could leave via tunnels, and not directly impact the Ringers above. And the above grade section, (18 feet in height?), could be masked by a stepped ring planter, disguising its appearance. Also, the height differential between the tunnels and the theater roof opening would generate natural ventilation (chimney effect).

    A circular / ring tunnel and radiating tunnel "spokes" could cross under the central park, linking grottoes and subterranean gardens, and provide a respite from climate extremes. Of course, if the water table is too high, and excavations are not feasible, one can copy Disney World's trick of raising the "ground level" by one story.


    The net result is an enhanced environment that "starves the beast" by not consuming more and more resources.

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    I understand that. And it's really nice to hear that you're able to enjoy the natural lifestyle path you're on.
    I actually think everyone could benefit from a lifestyle closer to nature.

    I'm just trying to help according to my own capacities ...


    Maybe it has already been mentioned in other posts, but for alternative building and living I've always found domes and earthships really interesting.
    One can use many different natural materials for this, like bags filled with earth or bamboo etc.

    Earthship: Video Bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fZPhouLOTguS/
    Geodesic domes: https://voolas.com/how-build-diy-geo...e-greenhouses/

    Anyway wishing you good luck and much joy with all the projects you want to try out there.
    Please don’t use the apples of someone else’s tree to satisfy your own thirst. (If you did eat another’s fruit; have the decency to give some fruit back.)
    IF YOU WANT TO SEE A GARDEN OF EDEN ON EARTH; HELP BY SOWING ANOTHER SEED YOURSELF.

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    Today, a Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Malawi and Liberland through a special arm of the Liberland Aid Foundation. This Memorandum signifies the recognition of our country as a valid and worthy diplomatic and economic partner for the African State.

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    Beside this news, also Colombia recognize officially the Liberland passport, Liberland are also in advanced talking with Pakistan and The Philipines.
    This is a good example of how a society can build international recognition without territory. These are necessary stepping stones to securing freedom for the people of Liberland. Thanks for the FYI palehorse!

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    RFOG (soundbite)
    _ _ I prefer a republican form of government, where all men are created equal - none higher - and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. Absent consent, such governments are limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic.
    _ _ Of course, if you consent to be governed - shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
    (He who consents cannot object!)
    _ _ However, if FRAUD was used to get that consent, you can denounce the fraud, vitiate all compacts, agreements, applications, etc, and cease being their subject. Of course, you have to cease exercising ALL related privileges. For if you exercise any government privilege, it is evidence of CONSENT.
    : : : :
    FYI : no endowed right can be subject to taxation, therefore all taxes are limited to government privileges, which are all voluntary. (Which is why there is no reason to argue "no taxation without representation." If you volunteered, no harm - no foul.)
    : : : :

    KNOW YOUR BEAST BEFORE STARVING IT

    The current regime, the Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of America (1933), is operating under "Emergency rules" that bypass the USCON, and have effectively eradicated private property ownership via FICA / socialist insecurity, and elimination of lawful money from circulation. (Art 1, Sec 10 limits the states to gold and silver coin as tender in payment of debt. Since 1933, no one has "paid debt" by law. And that makes everyone "bankrupt" and under the authority of the federal government regarding bankruptcy. Using worthless notes (FRNs) as "legal tender" is a revenue taxable privilege, hence the proliferation of taxes on practically all retail transactions, etc., etc.)
    : : : :
    _ _ As most have surmised, the PDSRA is setting up the collapse of the nation, so that there are "legal" grounds to SCRAP the organic documents and agreements that created the governments in these united States of America. They are hampered and limited by the obligation to guarantee a REPUBLICAN FORM to the States (actually, the sovereign people within those States). They desperately need to eradicate that obligation - preferably by widespread ACCLAIM by the muggles who know nothing of their lost endowment.
    _ _ They need to replace that pesky "sovereign without subject" status and abolish absolute ownership of private property (to comply with the Communist manifesto, etc).
    _ _ They need to replace Creator endowed rights with "Human Rights" (as spelled out in the UN's declaration)
    _ _Universal Declaration of Human Rights only recognizes GOVERNMENT ENFORCED RIGHTS and imposes SOCIALISM. And it does not recognize Creator endowed rights, or that individuals are sovereign over government. People can only be subject citizens of their sovereign governments.
    _ _ That is anathema to the republican form of government, wherein all men are born equal (none higher) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - and do nothing more without consent of the governed.

    THEIR GOAL
    _ _ The goal is to scrap all American history and law, and replace it with the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA compatible version. And you will love it, or else. Plus, you’ll get ‘free checking’ in your mandatory personal account with the Peoples Bank of Amerika.
    : : : :
    UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
    https://www.un.org/en/about-us/unive...f-human-rights

    DEATHTRAPS to beware:
    Article 8.
    Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS GRANTED HIM BY THE CONSTITUTION OR BY LAW.
    (No Creator endowed rights to life, liberty, absolute ownership, inherent powers, etc, etc)


    Article 10.
    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, IN THE DETERMINATION OF HIS RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS and of any criminal charge against him.
    (Only subjects have obligations)


    Article 13.
    (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and RESIDENCE within the borders of each state.
    (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
    (No domicile - no permanent, legal home!)


    Article 22.
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the RIGHT TO SOCIAL SECURITY and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
    (SOCIALISM uber alles ! Compulsory charity and confiscation of surplus.)

    Article 25.
    (1) EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO A STANDARD OF LIVING adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the RIGHT TO SECURITY in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
    (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
    (Guess who will be compelled to supply that "right" by involuntary servitude?)
    There many more "gotchas" and "trap doors" in the declaration, but you'll have to read it for yourself.


    COLLAPSE INEVITABLE

    _ _ PESSIMISTIC as it may seem, collapse is inevitable. It is the goal of the PDSRA. And it will also occur if sufficient number of Americans WITHDRAW CONSENT, and return to their promised REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

    _ _ Knowing that a collapse IS COMING should encourage people to PLAN for that situation. With a collapse of the institutions of our civilization, comes the proliferation of the uncivilized predators, plunderers, and poltroons, who want to support THEIR lives with YOUR property and labor.

    _ _ One remedy is to find someplace to HIDE for the "Duration". Solo survival may be sufficient. But afterwards? I doubt it. One misstep and you're going to experience a slow and painful death. (Remember the scene from Jeremiah Johnson, where Hatchet Jack is found frozen, after dying from wounds inflicted by a bear. A broken leg = death, when you're alone.)

    _ _ IMHO, the optimal remedy is to form cooperatives, establish fortified villages, and be prepared for those proverbial hordes of "Mutant Zombie Biker Gangs".

    SIMPLE RULES

    Can you think of any "benevolent" religion, philosophy or political ideology that is categorically opposed to :
    “What’s yours is yours. What’s mine is mine. Don’t trespass!”

    OBJECTIONS
    to a cooperative village based on autonomy, resilience, and disaster resistance.

    _ _ Humans are not trustworthy
    . . . . . If this is a condemnation of predators who follow the law of the jungle, it does not apply to the harmless people who follow the law of love. Perhaps that should be stressed by the villagers and charter subscribers. Is banishment and forfeiture for those who violate the person, liberty or property of another sufficient (beyond remedies already in the law)?
    _ _ Cost
    . . . . . Bulk purchases of land and materials will be cheaper than individual purchases. However, finding a consensus on what to purchase may be a challenge. Perhaps that duty should be delegated to one who has experience in civil engineering, architecture, or construction.
    _ _ Longevity
    . . . . . Cooperative communities have a long history of being infiltrated by parasites and predators who take advantage of the good hearted idealists who establish alternative communities.

    Perhaps it should be spelled out in the charter, which conditions and behavior the cooperative will NOT tolerate. Remember, to a predator following the law of the jungle, he's "law abiding" and "good". Don't presume to appeal to his 'better nature'. In the predator's mind, you're a sap or muggle to "clip."
    And contrary to so-called Christian teaching to be passive in the face of evil, it's not moral to toss others to the wolf pack. Jesus was not tolerant of evil, when he whipped the usurers out of the temple. The key point is not to use evil to defeat evil, for that only makes evil the victor. But tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.

    MORALITY - A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.

    MORALITY SIMPLIFIED
    Morality is simple - it is based on survival - dead things have no morality - and it depends on which law you follow.
    There are two sets of laws:
    • 1. Law of love, and
    • 2. Law of the jungle.

    Under the law of love, harmless activity in support of one's "right to life" is moral / good. Harmful action is "bad". Self sacrifice is the “highest good.”

    Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good", and prey are "good to eat". Prey who fight back are "bad". Sacrificing others for one’s own gain is the rule, not the exception.


    When you oppose evil, is it to defend or to conquer?
    Which law will you follow : love or the jungle?
    Defending against predators is never a violation of the law of love, because the alternative is to surrender to evil, and unmerciful to their next victim.





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    PREDATOR IDENTIFICATION GUIDE
    (These classifications are for convenience. They are not mutually exclusive, either. Strange alliances may form for strategic advantage. The only thing they do share is disrespect for the person, property and liberty of the individual.)
    ...
    ❏ USURERS - those who loan money or extend credit, and charge a fee, denominated in money (or current money tokens). In a finite money token system, usury is mathematically impossible to repay. A portion of debtors will default, simply because there never is enough money to repay all outstanding principal and interest.

    ❏ SLAVERS - those who dispossess or compel others to work for the benefit of another. Modern implementation is collectivism, using government to compel subjects to work for the benefit of another, which is considered benevolent, part-time enslavement. (see: Marxism, Socialism, Communism).

    ❏ GAMBLERS - those who use games of chance, a knowledge of probability, and other scams to entice people to surrender their goods and services, or money tokens, without equitable trade. Modern insurance underwriting is a hybrid of gambling and usury. Gambling is often excused as “entertainment” - an insult to intelligence.

    ❏ DEMOCRAZIES - those who mask their predatory acts by the excuse that they are obeying the “will of the people,” as if a majority makes evil into good, and injustice into justice.

    ❏ AGENTS OF INJUSTICE - those who use their talent for oratory, misdirection, debate, and persuasion to escape or reduce punishment for themselves, or their clients, who pay them. They encourage irresponsibility and chaos, as long as they prosper. (Assuming that justice means giving every man his due.)

    ❏ PIRATES AND MARAUDERS - those who prey upon others, meeting their own needs, by taking from others, under threat, duress or coercion, often accompanied by physical harm or murder. A modern variation is a modified form of biological enslavement, via addiction. Their prey, once addicted, will engage in any behavior that will satisfy their supplier’s whim, lest they be deprived and suffer painful withdrawal.

    ❏ ZEALOTS - those who rely on scriptures or ideology to excuse predation, conquest, intolerance, war, inflicting pain and suffering, as part of their struggle to achieve world wide dominance. They often are contradictory, and form alliances with the evil they denounce. They have no respect for the person or property of those they deem unbelievers.

    ❏ PARASITES - those who ally themselves with any of the aforementioned in order to get a skim of the booty stolen or protection for their collaboration.
    ...
    The unpleasant truth is that we all have lived within a predatory culture, undergoing incremental transformation into something even worse. Can we wake up in time?
    That is the question !


    OMITTED: [] VANDALS - those who mindlessly destroy that which is not their own property. Can be found in any of the aforementioned groups.

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    THERE ARE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

    Thomas Paine elaborated on natural rights in his work “Rights of Man” (1791), emphasizing that rights cannot be granted by any charter because this would legally imply they can also be revoked and under such circumstances they would be reduced to privileges:
    “. . . It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few. ... They...consequently are instruments of injustice.”
    “ The fact therefore must be that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a compact with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist.”

    - - - Thomas Paine
    In other words, in America’s case, Americans have creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure, not legislate, tax, regulate, infringe, nor restrain. Only by consent of the governed, may government step beyond securing endowed rights (adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic). And that consent waives / surrenders endowed rights, rendering one a subject of the government.

    That is also why the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights is an ABOMINATION.
    Anything that a charter grants is a privilege, not an endowed right.

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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
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    It is stipulated that there are very FEW Americans who have (a) withdrawn consent -and- (b) established a domicile upon private property absolutely owned. And with all the eCONomic restrictions and taxes, it is doubly difficult to do it on one's own.


    that would be very interesting to know more about of the path they took in order to get it done successfully. I am convinced it is difficult, I have no intention to go down that road, at least not on my own.


    ONE POSSIBLE REMEDY...
    A group of people who share a common goal might pool their resources, and acquire property to establish their own dominion... as a religious retreat.

    As everyone knows, land held in mortmain (dead hands) is not subject to ad valorem taxes. And if the lands and buildings are held by the bishop (corporation sole), they comply with the definition of "private property" held by an individual.
    But how does that help the individuals who are not holders of "private property"?

    If all "church members" have a life estate in the village, they have a permanent, legal home.[INDENT] LIFE ESTATE - In common law and statutory law, a life estate (or life tenancy) is the ownership of immovable property for the duration of a person's life. In legal terms, it is an estate in real property that ends at death when ownership of the property may revert to the original owner, or it may pass to another person. The owner of a life estate is called a "life tenant".


    Something similar to usufruct clauses, like the ones found in title deeds ?


    In short, if you can't afford to establish your own domicile upon private property, you can still enjoy most of the benefits of private property within a religious enclave that you have established or joined.
    And no American government can make a law that defines what can or cannot be a religion. (Unless you're foolish enough to ask for a special privilege - which does not include tax exemption - since taxation is limited to government privileges!).


    I guess not all countries are like America in terms of law, I would have to investigate how they set up religious institutions here where I am living. I perceived the time I am here quite a few Christian institutions (like the evangelic ones) settle down here, would be interesting to know how they are dealing with the ownership of the land. As far as I know foreign are not allowed to own anything in Thailand in terms of land, exception for corporations, but it is very limited the size of the land under this exception.

    Maybe someone in the forum know anything in more details regarding what Ozmirage wrote?



    So consider defining your fortified village design as a monastery, nunnery, religious retreat, ashram, camp, college, or anything else that fulfills your group goals.
    COLLEGE - A body of clerics living together on an endowment.
    - - - American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition.


    I would go for religious retreat


    CLERIC - A member of the clergy.
    No government dare make a "clerical error" and trespass their endowed rights.
    BENEFIT OF CLERGY - a privilege that placed the clergy outside the jurisdiction of secular courts and entitled them to trial in ecclesiastical courts.
    In its original sense, the phrase denoted the exemption which was accorded to clergymen from the jurisdiction of the secular courts, or from arrest or attachment on criminal process issuing from those courts in certain particular cases.
    - - - Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.158

    CIVIL DEATH - The state of a person who, though possessing natural life, has lost all his civil rights, and as to them, is considered dead.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 488.


    again, I would need to know more about it in this specific country. As far as I can see, government and religion walks together here.



    RELIGIOUS MEN - Such as entered into some monastery or convent... Religious men are civilly dead.


    It makes sense in theory, but in practice, does it? I know an ex-monk from UK, he had a religious VISA issued right after ordained as a monk. He could not get rid of his civil rights, he also had to deal with "touching" money, when accepting the 10 precepts as a new "samanera" refraining from accepting gold and silver (money), however he had to deal with VISA issues and it cost money, after a few years in the monastery one can apply for a permanent residency under special rule in this case, but still a citizen, I don't know a single case that did otherwise. Of course it is just a case I knew, I myself took the time to look all the details to be ordained as a monk back in 2007. Ordained Monk remain as citizen.


    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1456.
    Civil death = outside of the taxing powers and permissions of secular government. However, civil death has no effect on natural and personal liberty.
    MORTMAIN - A term applied to denote the alienation of lands or tenements to any corporation, sole or aggregate, ecclesiastical or temporal. These purchases having been chiefly made by religious houses, in consequence of which lands became perpetually inherent in one "dead hand", this occasioned the general appellation of "mortmain" to be applied to such alienations. 2 Bl.Comm. 268; Perin v. Carey, 65 U.S. (24 How.) 465, 16 L.Ed. 701.
    - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, pg. 1012
    Property held by religious orders is tax exempt, thanks to mortmain. Since taxes are limited to government privileges, no religious order is exercising a civil privilege, with its members being civilly dead. Also note that the definition doesn’t mention real estate.

    I found some interesting article regarding MORTMAIN properties.

    "Thailand does not formally recognize the existing educational structures, policies and community-based service provision in the South, in ethnic areas
    nor provide universal and free basic education to all children born in Thailand – making it difficult to ensure human rights education and training to all children
    and citizen on an equal basis. For instance, in the South, Ponoh Islamic school and Tadika Islamic education center are perceived as haven for terrorists, such as the
    closing of Yehad Wittaya School, the court seizing Wakaf mortmain property, and the arrest of Tadika teachers."

    source [page 85]: https://www.upr-info.org/sites/defau...and2016-en.pdf

    It just prove it is possible to do.

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