The reincarnation error

[Bill Ryan]

Well, that's a little bit of a clickbait thread title. The concept of reincarnation in itself is no 'error,' and is all very real.

The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

Having an imbalance of attention on a prior identity is a symptom of one or both of these two things:

• An egoic problem (inasmuch as one feels relatively insignificant in the present in some way), and so one harps back to happier (or more powerful/ influential) times as a kind of self-medication to help one feel better about oneself right now.
  
  When that's the case, the remedy is in the present, not in the past. To make a kind of joke about this, imagine a cartoon of a guy trying to chat up a girl in a bar. His clothes, his demeanor and his car reveal his true state of wealth. But he's trying to impress her by saying,
  
  "Believe me, I used to have a lot of money once, before I lost it all."
  
  

• There may have been 'unfinished business' back than (which can take many different forms), and so our attention 'catches' on that life and we can get kind of 'stuck' on it — just like something major and not quite 'complete' that happened last week or last year in this life, and we keep on thinking about it and wanting to talk about it to anyone who will listen.
  
  That 'unfinished business' may of course consist of unanswered questions that one has about what exactly happened... etc etc etc. The remedy in that case is to seek a high-quality regression therapist and get to the bottom of everything that way.

It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

[norman]

Yesterday is a cancelled cheque. Tomorrow is a promissory note. The only hard cash you have in now, so spend it wisely - Prem Pal Sing Rawat.

[Heart to heart]

Bill
Such wise words from an open heart
It really does not matter a jot who we were once, but what we are now affects every other ‘lifetime’ we have ever lived, past, present and future!
It is up to each of us to live this present moment as an exemplar of love, care and compassion, in whatever situation we find ourselves.

[norman]

How we got from whatever past life we had, to here, has to have somehow involved a non physical form.

That opens up a vast potential of possibilities that people make heroic stabs at understanding. Rudolf Steiner had a go at it. I've no idea if he really knew what he was talking about but if this (audio) snippet of a review of his thinking about it is reliable, I'm impressed.

Bernhard Guenther & Laura Matsue - Lucifer, Ahriman and Christ
https://app.box.com/s/42kup4itlmjlnl6k6nje6wxsj7ljff0h

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

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It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

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If it does not matter Bill, why even talk about it? Why even look for a regression therapist?

[Ioneo]

Who we are now is because of who we were in the past. It is all a progression. And that can only take place in the present moment.

[Michel Leclerc]

Indeed, heart to heart.

The present moment. How long does yours last?

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Well, that's a little bit of a clickbait thread title. The concept of reincarnation in itself is no 'error,' and is all very real.

The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

Having an imbalance of attention on a prior identity is a symptom of one or both of these two things:

• An egoic problem (inasmuch as one feels relatively insignificant in the present in some way), and so one harps back to happier (or more powerful/ influential) times as a kind of self-medication to help one feel better about oneself right now.
  
  When that's the case, the remedy is in the present, not in the past. To make a kind of joke about this, imagine a cartoon of a guy trying to chat up a girl in a bar. His clothes, his demeanor and his car reveal his true state of wealth. But he's trying to impress her by saying,
  
  "Believe me, I used to have a lot of money once, before I lost it all."
  
  

• There may have been 'unfinished business' back than (which can take many different forms), and so our attention 'catches' on that life and we can get kind of 'stuck' on it — just like something major and not quite 'complete' that happened last week or last year in this life, and we keep on thinking about it and wanting to talk about it to anyone who will listen.
  
  That 'unfinished business' may of course consist of unanswered questions that one has about what exactly happened... etc etc etc. The remedy in that case is to seek a high-quality regression therapist and get to the bottom of everything that way.

It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

In Scientology, after years of remembering past lives, you nare told, on the highest level, OT8, that all those memories are just the memories of entitites attached to you.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Well, that's a little bit of a clickbait thread title. The concept of reincarnation in itself is no 'error,' and is all very real.

The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

Having an imbalance of attention on a prior identity is a symptom of one or both of these two things:

• An egoic problem (inasmuch as one feels relatively insignificant in the present in some way), and so one harps back to happier (or more powerful/ influential) times as a kind of self-medication to help one feel better about oneself right now.
  
  When that's the case, the remedy is in the present, not in the past. To make a kind of joke about this, imagine a cartoon of a guy trying to chat up a girl in a bar. His clothes, his demeanor and his car reveal his true state of wealth. But he's trying to impress her by saying,
  
  "Believe me, I used to have a lot of money once, before I lost it all."
  
  

• There may have been 'unfinished business' back than (which can take many different forms), and so our attention 'catches' on that life and we can get kind of 'stuck' on it — just like something major and not quite 'complete' that happened last week or last year in this life, and we keep on thinking about it and wanting to talk about it to anyone who will listen.
  
  That 'unfinished business' may of course consist of unanswered questions that one has about what exactly happened... etc etc etc. The remedy in that case is to seek a high-quality regression therapist and get to the bottom of everything that way.

It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

In Scientology, after years of remembering past lives, you are told, on the highest level, OT8, that all those memories are just the memories of entities attached to you.

That's Church of Scientology 'doctrine'. And it's entirely false.

[Inversion]

These are the references to Forgetting in the Law of One material. In Tony Rodrigues' book Ceres Colony Cavalier he claims to have been attacked my giant insects on Mars. They told him telepathically that his purpose is to love.

P190. There’s a rendering of the mantid type being. It telepathically went through Tony’s memories to gather intel. It told him his purpose is to love which he withheld from his superiors.

Here's 5 out of 27.
Law of One

82.15 Questioner: Specifically, I am trying to grasp an understanding first of the process of experience in third density before the veil so that I can [have a] better understanding of the present process. Now, as I understand it, the mind/body/spirit complexes went through the process of what we call physical incarnation in this density but there was no forgetting. What was the benefit or purpose of the physical incarnation when there was no forgetting?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of incarnation in third density is to learn the ways of love.

36.17. Thusly the positively oriented Wanderer chooses to hazard the danger of the forgetting in order to be of service to others by radiating love of others.

21.9. This is the only plane of forgetting.

82.12. The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.

[Wind]

It sure doesn't matter except for feeding curiosity or healing any past traumas.

You're the sum totality of all that you have been and are right here and now.

Of course ultimately you are just a soul and the body is only a vessel for it.

It really doesn't matter who you think you are. It matters what you are.

Know thyself. Thus you will truly understand what "others" are too.

[Tyy1907]

Why we choose to come back over and over and over again, to work on the problem of evil. We're all Lightworkers and most do not know it, on another tour of duty. Put in a good effort and we go back home. None of this "the light is a trap" nonsense. Disinformation designed to keep us trapped in the lower Astral where fallen angels and other spirits can prey on you.

[shaberon]

The expressions "significance" and "ego" I would tend to agree with. "I" wasn't anything and would easily agree with the Biblical statement:


A man lives but once.


Which is not a denial of reincarnation, at all, but it is a denial of the significance of the ego. It won't be "me" that lives again.


I would say it is more important that the doctrine of reincarnation will reverse the strange thoughts that result from the doctrine of "one lifetime", whether for eternal judgment or just a bitter end. For example you have less attachment to how a concoction of twenty drugs might enable someone to physically survive a bit longer. You no longer want to enshrine corpses. It releases a lot of things.

[DNA]

I agree with your sentiments Bill.
And I would like to double down and say that this is also true for folks who claim to have off world incarnations.

Unless you remember how to make a space ship and the formulae for a warp drive I don't really want to hear about it.

[Anu Raman]

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
Why we choose to come back over and over and over again, to work on the problem of evil. We're all Lightworkers and most do not know it, on another tour of duty. Put in a good effort and we go back home. None of this "the light is a trap" nonsense. Disinformation designed to keep us trapped in the lower Astral where fallen angels and other spirits can prey on you.

Earth is done for. Starting within the past 6 months, we're no longer allowed to come back here...nor shall any child be born with a "host/split".

While 'reincarnation' was true for thousands of years for the some of you.... it is now denied. Don't believe me?.. you'll find out.. but PLEASE try to survive this crap here on Earth.. Don't give up.. It may get worse within the next 3 years.

Like Bill said: It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Anu Raman (here)

Earth is done for. Starting within the past 6 months, we're no longer allowed to come back here...nor shall any child be born with a "host/split".

While 'reincarnation' was true for thousands of years for the some of you.... it is now denied. Don't believe me?.

Correct, I don't believe you.

[Anu Raman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Correct, I don't believe you.

[Harmony]

Posted by DNA (here)
I agree with your sentiments Bill.
And I would like to double down and say that this is also true for folks who claim to have off world incarnations.

Unless you remember how to make a space ship and the formulae for a warp drive I don't really want to hear about it.

I like hearing about off world incarnations, especially when different people have the same memories or knowledge of how they lived and used spiritual ways to travel and live instead of technology. Even though these other lives we lived may seem to be in the past, some say they are all happening simultaniously, which is really hard to get your head around, but may be quite important if we could put all these clues together for a greater understanding. It really can make a big difference in how we think and relate in this incarnation. I had an NDE experience many years ago and it does change how you think about life and how all your lives are connected.


When we see or dream of the future and see it played out then just as we had seen it, well that makes one think that we travel through time regularly and can bring things back from that other time or plane. I don't understand it, but it seems we slip into different spacetime dimentions, perhaps the same kind of dynamics that Remote viewers use.

[I am B]

Kardec said that there are indeed many incarnations in different "material entities" and worlds. (many sounding alien already for the time) Each of them closer or further from spiritual life itself, depending on the level of enlightment of the soul, and the lessons to be learned during the incarnation.

The same way this "choice of worlds" serves a purpose for an incarnation, so does the regression memories. Maybe there are indeed previous incarnation things that we didn't solve, and with a higher spiritual awareness that we developed at this point, plus the direct knowledge of it, we are capable of overcoming it. Or, on the other hand, it may be just a test of, as Bill said, our Egocentric aspirations.

[wondering]

I believe that knowledge is power. If one were to find out, in a past life regression, that there was a particular issue that was not handled "well" in another incarnation, it might make sense to focus on that when the opportunity arose, or even seek it out to round out our growth or development. Or not. We have all the time we need.