The reincarnation error

[xidaijena]

It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

“若问前世因，今生受者是。
若问来世果，今生作者是。”

If you ask about the cause of the previous life, you can know it from your present life.
If you ask the future of your life, what you do now will be.

耶 稣 对 他 说 ， 你 要 尽 心 ， 尽 性 ， 尽 意 ， 爱 主 你 的 神 。
And Jesus said to him, Have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
22:3这 是 诫 命 中 的 第 一 ， 且 是 最 大 的 。
This is the first and great commandment.
其 次 也 相 仿 ， 就 是 要 爱 人 如 己 。
And a second like it is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself.
这 两 条 诫 命 ， 是 律 法 和 先 知 一 切 道 理 的 总 纲 。
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Anu Raman (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Correct, I don't believe you.

Well, I believe that you believe you.
Just not choosing to join in your reality right now.
"Which World, Which You?" (I always liked that quote)



PS - We are all so beautifully creative. Such a gift we have, whether we realize it or not.

[Gwin Ru]

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[ozmirage]

Sequential & linear time bound, partially furred, variously garbed, electrically powered, water filled, gas processing, food cooking, meat bags inhabited by sentient & sapient nondimensional beings might be confused by communications with another sentient being of pure thought, in a non linear, non sequential, parallel time paradigm. . . just sayin’.
"A pickpocket who meets a saint, only sees his pockets..."

[Ernie Nemeth]

I have had far too many problems in this life to bother about any life I might have had before this one. Just the thought of taking on the trauma of other lifetimes makes my skin crawl.

Besides which, since I have been unable to find my stride in this life, I am convinced I have had no other lives. One can't keep coming back here over and over without at least having learned the how of it to some degree.

Since I find nothing of value in this life that others strive for so diligently, and am far more interested on where I might have come from and what that reality looks like than anything I might learn while here, I can say I entirely hope I never come back again.

[sunwings]

Getting to know oneself only makes sense to me in the present! I often Harp back to the past. I have a long list of trauma like many people here. This thread feels like it turned on a light bulb.

[Lunesoleil]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life[I].

What about the Edgar Cayce works and the planetary sojourns? , or hypnosis regression sessions?

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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Lunesoleil (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

What about the Edgar Cayce works and the planetary sojourns? , or hypnosis regression sessions?

I didn't understand your question...? Reincarnation is very real, 100% for sure. The 'error', I would suggest, is when we place too much emphasis on whoever we may once have been, relative to who we are today in the here and now. If that needed balance is too far out, it can be unhealthy in quite a few ways.

So if someone was, for instance, an Egyptian prince or princess, and is now a regular person maybe with little influence in the world, and little wealth compared to that of someone in a royal family, they may spend a lot of time talking to others (and maybe posting on social media!) about how they were once this wealthy and influential royal person.

That's often simply an ego thing. ("See how important I once was?")

A better and wiser deployment of their time and attention might be to focus on their present family and children, how to be a better person here and now, how to be a better citizen, and so on. For some people, focusing on the past is a kind of self-medicating 'fantasy' that (whether real or not) serves very little purpose and is really a distraction from real-time problems, issues and responsibilities.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)

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Well... we are living in the "eternal moment", aren’t we?

Just as I have always wondered what a person saying such a thing means, I also wonder what anybody means when using the expressions "living in the past", or "living in the future".

I have this program of carefully parsing ideogram by ideogram a few simple lines in Lao Tzu. “What does it mean?” “What did he mean?"

Maybe he meant something quite precise, and we are just hobbling along with inadequate translations..

(Are they even possible?)

[Lunesoleil]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lunesoleil (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

What about the Edgar Cayce works and the planetary sojourns? , or hypnosis regression sessions?

I didn't understand your question...?

Hope keeps Bill alive, we need to beautify our lives. In my example I like to think I was an astrologer, do you think it's a matter of ego?
In astrology there is a section on karmic astrology, I won't go into more detail, but what do you think a president was in a past life?, do you want me to tell you about karma?, because the connection with reincarnation is not far. In India reincarnation is a belief very present in daily life...

[Gwin Ru]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
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Well... we are living in the "eternal moment", aren’t we?

Just as I have always wondered what a person saying such a thing means, I also wonder what anybody means when using the expressions "living in the past", or "living in the future".

I have this program of carefully parsing ideogram by ideogram a few simple lines in Lao Tzu. “What does it mean?” “What did he mean?"

Maybe he meant something quite precise, and we are just hobbling along with inadequate translations..

(Are they even possible?)

I have no idea what dear Lao Tzu meant with his translated words/ideas leading to what I interpret from his distillation of time, but to me it just means that past events are affecting one's present mood as well as anticipation of possible future event are affecting one's current moment. One is at peace only when neither past nor anticipated future are considered in one's mind and one just smells the coffee or the roses.

[Tyy1907]

Posted by Anu Raman (here)

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
Why we choose to come back over and over and over again, to work on the problem of evil. We're all Lightworkers and most do not know it, on another tour of duty. Put in a good effort and we go back home. None of this "the light is a trap" nonsense. Disinformation designed to keep us trapped in the lower Astral where fallen angels and other spirits can prey on you.

Earth is done for. Starting within the past 6 months, we're no longer allowed to come back here...nor shall any child be born with a "host/split".

While 'reincarnation' was true for thousands of years for the some of you.... it is now denied. Don't believe me?.. you'll find out.. but PLEASE try to survive this crap here on Earth.. Don't give up.. It may get worse within the next 3 years.

Like Bill said: It doesn't matter who we once were. The only thing that matters is who we are now.

What leads you to believe there will be no more incarnating?

[Anu Raman]

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)

What leads you to believe there will be no more incarnating?

Because the 'big boss' on the other side said so. It wasn't my idea, in fact I support constant incarnations and keep going, you know.... This planet can support up to 40 billion, so 8 billion or less, is still plenty of room. I still don't understand why Earth peeps are whining about 'over population' on this planet. It's barely over populated as it is. It's just a matter of 'motion' to move out of congested areas and stuff like that, to balance the populace. The food is produced at 5X the rate of current population and peeps have thrown away a lot of food daily, in which could be used for a bigger population. Did you know that 80 percent of the population in the US, for example, are situated in the East? .. while only 20 percent are situated in the West? Stuff like this...

(This is why I feel so bad about the homeless.. they're starving on the streets, and food is easily available to be given to them....)

It's weird to me... but I understand why the decision though. Children are being forcibly jabbed with a technology which the big boss found it repulsive. There are things in the jab which is not being mentioned, and has a huge effect on these incarnations.

That is as far as I understand this.

Sad.

But glad you've asked. I was afraid that no one on this forum would ask these questions.

[Sue (Ayt)]

By "coincidence", I stumbled upon this link today, written by a woman who I have enjoyed reading online since the mid-nineties, and have always respected. I believe she wrote this more recently.
Based largely on the writing of Carl Jung, to me it not only relates to trauma in this life, but trauma in past lives too, as it is about connecting to one's higher self, and releasing trauma beyond the illusions of time and space.

Retroactive Prevention of Old Emotional Trauma Scars.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Lunesoleil (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Lunesoleil (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The error is in the significance we sometimes assign to whoever we might have been, or think we might have been, in an earlier life.

What about the Edgar Cayce works and the planetary sojourns? , or hypnosis regression sessions?

I didn't understand your question...?

Hope keeps Bill alive, we need to beautify our lives. In my example I like to think I was an astrologer, do you think it's a matter of ego?
In astrology there is a section on karmic astrology, I won't go into more detail, but what do you think a president was in a past life?, do you want me to tell you about karma?, because the connection with reincarnation is not far. In India reincarnation is a belief very present in daily life...

I still don't understand!

I'm not diminishing the value of investigating one's own past lives at all. And of course there are continual ongoing cause-and-effect connections between previous lives and one's current circumstances. I'm extremely familiar with that, and how it all works.

One important aspect of understanding one's own past history is so that the present can make more sense, and sometimes unwanted or difficult current situations can definitely be healed or resolved that way.

Again, my only point was that it's unhealthy and out of balance to be trying to compensate for (e.g.) possible current self-image issues by trying to draw attention to who one once was, a long time ago.

Over millions of years (literally), on this planet and many others, most of us were probably significant figures at some point or other. It may be interesting and truly helpful to look closely at what went right or wrong, just as we might do looking back at something that happened in this life a few years ago.

But while we can extract valuable life lessons, and understand better how we got from then to now, it's still important what we decide or choose to do next, this morning, this afternoon, or tomorrow, and not fall into what I'd suggest is an ego-compensation trap by continually living in the past, regretting the loss of some kind of life which featured high status, influence and maybe wealth or success. What's gone is gone, and what's next is next.

[Mashika]

The idea that you return to this earth and life because it's a cycle of learning and such is a bit misguided. Not all the time but some times, a lot i think

You don't revert back to earth or this reality because it's a kind of rule that you must do until you find a way out based on some unknown and random wisdom or some always evading 'enlightenment' . That's just spiritual garbage that gets in your true way of accepting things the way they are

If you have to walk up a set of stairs to reach 'the light', then someone put those stairs there for you, and told you to walk all the way up to find something you don't understand. So, you are just following something you don't understand why it's there, to figure or learn something you have no idea how or why it exists. IT's a leap of fate. IT's religion once more

True freedom and enlightenment relies on understanding and truly getting that all of that is pointless and worthless, and that there is no such thing or meaning to it, it is not related at all. It is a human construct once more, to hide away the pain and give purpose

We may be reborn here because of some dumb set of rules that are just like a "not this time but later on maybe" construct, which allows to say "well i messed up but it is part of how this entire thing works". That may be true, but also you need to understand that maybe you just get back because you miss it, you wan't to go back to it because it was a beautiful dream you don't want to let go from, it was special and meaningful and you felt warm and loved and you loved how it all went down even to the last moment

So you come back to relive the experience, not because it was a "growing moment" or whatever other new wave stuff applies, but because simply you woke up and, while tears where very slowly going down your cheeks, felt and thought "i wish i was there once more"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RzlesqrpLok

Maybe we, in like the story of the egg, are all God

Enjoy the universe you created for yourself

[Mashika]

And you may also come back to this reality and planet because there's someone here that you want to keep looking for, or to keep being close to. And it may mean that you are just around but that's fair enough for you, and it's even possible that you both agreed that you were going to meet here and remain coming back until something else, outside of this reality and planet/world happened and you are just waiting for it

No one, not even The Buddha or Jesus Christ, specified that ego wasn't a part of the ultimate level of spiritualism. In fact if you apply discernment it's very obvious it wasn't, if you believe in the Bible, if there wasn't ego, then explain the fallen ones

There's all kind of things going on. I could not even begin to describe, but lots and lots of alternative explanations come to mind. I however think that this is a personal issue, everyone has to have their own way to go about this reincarnation thing

My personal experience is that it is not just about a cycle of learning, there's a lot more to it i can see. But that's just me

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Mashika (here)
And you may also come back to this reality and planet because there's someone here that you want to keep looking for, or to keep being close to. And it may mean that you are just around but that's fair enough for you, and it's even possible that you both agreed that you were going to meet here and remain coming back until something else, outside of this reality and planet/world happened and you are just waiting for it

Perfectly said, and that's 100% exactly right.

We can definitely understand the present a little better by understanding the past — exactly like in this current life, we can come to terms with our current circumstances better by understanding what may have happened a few years ago: the events that occurred, things other people did, the choices and decisions we made in response, and so on.

Much of it is all about "unfinished business", which can take many many forms. Those can include promises made to another we're close to, wanting to make up for mistakes that may have affected oneself or someone else, uncompleted projects, purposes or goals, or a simple wish to keep on having a good time (or a certain kind of interesting time!). 'Learning' is rarely a goal in itself... it just happens all the time anyway.

However interesting or intriguing the past was, the wise focus is on the present and the future. Knowing and understanding the past can help us with that, always and for sure. But we can't re-live that or change it... all we can do is move forwards with as much wisdom as we can muster based on everything that's gone before.

And when we do come back to continue our experiences, it's always a choice: we never have to do that, and it's never an obligation or anything enforced on us. But we do, time and again, because it's fascinating, fun, wonderful and beautiful to meet up again with old trusted friends, a chance to meet up with old enemies (if we want to! ), and in many ways it's the only real adventure for those of us who, like starring in our own movie, want to continue enjoying the very wild ride.

[Lunesoleil]

With this discussion on reincarnation being opened, a reflection emerged in my mind which is a real thing in my eyes and which can be seen as something concrete, in the present of the forum.
Do you believe that these likes which are attributed to you by your comments and that you have collected a lot of them will accompany you in another life?
Is the fact of receiving less the fact of saying that you are less interesting than the one who will have received more than you?
When we leave this world, we abandon everything, we bring nothing except perhaps the color of our aura, colored or dark or our positive or negative actions,
I believe in reincarnation and in this world below, we receive according to our beliefs no matter if they are right or wrong, beliefs do not ask these questions, they manifest where the mind is in reception of the emotion ✍🏽

[I am B]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

And when we do come back to continue our experiences, it's always a choice: we never have to do that, and it's never an obligation or anything enforced on us. But we do, time and again, because it's fascinating, fun, wonderful and beautiful to meet up again with old trusted friends, a chance to meet up with old enemies (if we want to! ), and in many ways it's the only real adventure for those of us who, like starring in our own movie, want to continue enjoying the very wild ride.

Isn't it the best way to learn? To throw oneself willingly into the adventure?

I guess "learning" is a bit of a formal and reductionist term for this process of "spiritual assimilations?". Which again, I don't think it'd represent such a vast concept.