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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    So in his deposition, under oath, Corey is forced to tell the truth. A truth he thought would never become public.

    But he lied in his deposition too...


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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    So, Upon my continued research into 'cults', specifically the SBA/FDN/FDP/Q cults ~ including those traveling in the new age conferences over the past 6-7 years for $$$$$ ; today I looked up blue avian on TikTok. My heart crashed deflated when seeing a little girl (4 yr about) PRAYING to a poster of a blue avian, Baphomet hand pose, with the mother grooming her verbally. While being very thankful that this tiktok app wasn't in full swing back in 2017, it sure does seem that a whole new batch of vulnerable people are being groomed love bombed & data collected.
    For those questioning/ inquiring "why bother speaking up/out about any of these people in the cult," PLEASE remember the little girl praying to a false idol/false Construct via dangerous gurus (plural)

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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    I was sent this by a guest who's been following all this very closely.

    From Beyond Belief with George Noory, in 2016:


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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    What is the penalty for perjury?
    Is this an accounting nightmare with the IRS?

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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here's the Western Union documentation. Corey sent my neighbor 2x $500, on the 7th and 28 June 2017, to take videos and photos of my property, give Corey the Google Earth co-ordinates of my house, etc etc.
    That's a pretty awesome neighbor you got there, Bill. Seems like he's 'ride or die' for real. This is the truest indication of character, when you have someone who can benefit from doing something that you probably would have never known about, and they don't do it, instead they come to you with the whole scheme.

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    The one thing that is consistent across the board with the controlled MILABs turned new age gurus that are emerging from Project Ibis is the way that they are treated in the UFO/ET disclosure community. Every door is opened, and every opportunity available is given to them. They are never turned away from an interview, they are never solidly scrutinized by the community itself, and the opportunities to make money come flooding in like flies on feces serving as yet another layer of control. They are never treated to digital NSA harassment, Big Tech algorithmic suppression, directed energy attacks, transdimensional AI psychic attacks, and any of the other forms of targeting that many of us experience. Their meteoric rise to prominence is propelled by a sophisticated multilayered system of suppression and promotion designed to sew confusion and division in an already dysfunctional and highly manipulated community.

    With all of the factors at play, it is no wonder that Corey Goode's cult of followers will continue to financially support him, finance his lawsuits, attack his critics on his behalf, and continue to follow him and believe everything that he says no matter how obvious it is that he is not only a fraud, but a highly manipulated sociopath. I sincerely hope that none of his future litigious actions harm Bill Ryan or anyone else who found the courage and conviction to expose him for being the injection of poison into our community that has allowed for a seemingly never-ending influx of people who have turned the pursuit of truth into a global clown show of ego, greed, and delusion.
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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"



    Corey Goode Post Deposition Leak & What's Next?

    Corey weighs in.

    Published 5th January 2023 (14:45)


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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    Lol, I just got done typing a post about how the gullible will continue to support him and here's the proof!

    I don't know why we have a CIA anymore when the public is this naive? This guy is amazing, I'll bet that he becomes more popular now than ever before! Our community has never been this bad. I'll bet they are laughing in the halls of every intelligence agency. I hope that he sues Ishmael Perez because it will be the greatest show on earth.
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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    My idea of entertainment: To laugh and gasp at the same time


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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    Every person who has been a victim of these government programs knows full well that what he's doing is immoral beyond belief. And hypothetically, even if he was telling the truth, it makes him even worse. He's literally telling everyone that if you had a similar experience that you owe him licensing fees if you go public to talk about it. There's no way in Hell that this guy doesn't have the backing of intelligence agencies. He's doing a better job than they could ever do to turn everyone against each other and to discredit every single one of us.

    At this point I can't keep blaming him, it's the people who are supporting this who are at fault. This guy is mentally and morally deficient, and OMG, what does that say for his cult members?
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    Quote Posted by Bluegreen (here)
    My idea of entertainment: To laugh and gasp at the same time

    I had to edit my last post 4 times because I couldn't stop laughing.
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    Default Re: Corey Goode admits that much of his story is "dream and delusion"

    Quote Posted by Haujean Contactee (here)
    The one thing that is consistent across the board with the controlled MILABs turned new age gurus that are emerging from Project Ibis is the way that they are treated in the UFO/ET disclosure community. Every door is opened, and every opportunity available is given to them. They are never turned away from an interview, they are never solidly scrutinized by the community itself, and the opportunities to make money come flooding in like flies on feces serving as yet another layer of control. They are never treated to digital NSA harassment, Big Tech algorithmic suppression, directed energy attacks, transdimensional AI psychic attacks, and any of the other forms of targeting that many of us experience. Their meteoric rise to prominence is propelled by a sophisticated multilayered system of suppression and promotion designed to sew confusion and division in an already dysfunctional and highly manipulated community.

    With all of the factors at play, it is no wonder that Corey Goode's cult of followers will continue to financially support him, finance his lawsuits, attack his critics on his behalf, and continue to follow him and believe everything that he says no matter how obvious it is that he is not only a fraud, but a highly manipulated sociopath. I sincerely hope that none of his future litigious actions harm Bill Ryan or anyone else who found the courage and conviction to expose him for being the injection of poison into our community that has allowed for a seemingly never-ending influx of people who have turned the pursuit of truth into a global clown show of ego, greed, and delusion.
    What an excellent post, perfectly written.

    Whether it's all been engineered at a high level of organized obfuscation or not, what Corey has done (others too, like Emery Smith, Randy Cramer, Andy Basiago et al) plays perfectly into the hands of those who want to keep the Secret Space Program fully classified: ideally branded and dismissed as some kind of fantasy comic-book light entertainment.

    The actual Secret Space Program I've been convinced for years is all too real. (Jay Weidner would agree.) I've also said for years that anyone who comes forward to try to substantiate it is in some way 'damaged goods'.

    If they ever were part of a highly classified program (which some may well have been) and are now trying to talk about it, either they flunked out of the program through some failure or other mishap, or were compromised when they left to ensure that their memories were well and truly messed up and altered.

    The only Secret Space Program whistleblowers I am sure are credible are Camelot witness Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) and Michael Relfe, whose wife Stephanie wrote The Mars Records. Researching anyone else's claims is likely to lead down long glittering, seductive neon-lit rabbit holes that go absolutely nowhere.

    Do see this long and very interesting thread:
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The only Secret Space Program whistleblowers I am sure are credible are Camelot witness Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) and Michael Relfe, whose wife Stephanie wrote The Mars Records. Researching anyone else's claims is likely to lead down long glittering, seductive neon-lit rabbit holes that go absolutely nowhere.
    If link is broken try this. It includes pdf downloads for The Mars Records and The Mars Records Book 2 plus two more.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Haujean Contactee (here)
    The one thing that is consistent across the board with the controlled MILABs turned new age gurus that are emerging from Project Ibis is the way that they are treated in the UFO/ET disclosure community. Every door is opened, and every opportunity available is given to them. They are never turned away from an interview, they are never solidly scrutinized by the community itself, and the opportunities to make money come flooding in like flies on feces serving as yet another layer of control. They are never treated to digital NSA harassment, Big Tech algorithmic suppression, directed energy attacks, transdimensional AI psychic attacks, and any of the other forms of targeting that many of us experience. Their meteoric rise to prominence is propelled by a sophisticated multilayered system of suppression and promotion designed to sew confusion and division in an already dysfunctional and highly manipulated community.

    With all of the factors at play, it is no wonder that Corey Goode's cult of followers will continue to financially support him, finance his lawsuits, attack his critics on his behalf, and continue to follow him and believe everything that he says no matter how obvious it is that he is not only a fraud, but a highly manipulated sociopath. I sincerely hope that none of his future litigious actions harm Bill Ryan or anyone else who found the courage and conviction to expose him for being the injection of poison into our community that has allowed for a seemingly never-ending influx of people who have turned the pursuit of truth into a global clown show of ego, greed, and delusion.
    What an excellent post, perfectly written.

    Whether it's all been engineered at a high level of organized obfuscation or not, what Corey has done (others too, like Emery Smith, Randy Cramer, Andy Basiago et al) plays perfectly into the hands of those who want to keep the Secret Space Program fully classified: ideally branded and dismissed as some kind of fantasy comic-book light entertainment.

    The actual Secret Space Program I've been convinced for years is all too real. (Jay Weidner would agree.) I've also said for years that anyone who comes forward to try to substantiate it is in some way 'damaged goods'.

    If they ever were part of a highly classified program (which some may well have been) and are now trying to talk about it, either they flunked out of the program through some failure or other mishap, or were compromised when they left to ensure that their memories were well and truly messed up and altered.

    The only Secret Space Program whistleblowers I am sure are credible are Camelot witness Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) and Michael Relfe, whose wife Stephanie wrote The Mars Records. Researching anyone else's claims is likely to lead down long glittering, seductive neon-lit rabbit holes that go absolutely nowhere.

    Do see this long and very interesting thread:

    Bill,
    I concur with Henry Deacon being the real deal. I had some conversations with him myself.

    But you are totally wrong on Michael Relfe. I actually know Stephanie his wife, from many years ago in Australia. Stephanie has a scientology background and uses the e-meter. Stephanie and I ended up disagreeing with each other on a lot of conspiracy things, mostly because she was/is a Sai Baba devotee. She was not happy that I had exposed Sai Baba as both a fraud and a pedophile rapist. (I should point out here, that I originally began my investigation into Sai Baba in order to clear his name. I found endless evidence and more, of the opposite.)

    Fast forward a few years and Stephanie moves to Florida and marries Michael.

    I was invited to their house for dinner, and asked to look at the book they concocted together. I was in Florida as an invited guest speaker at one of Dean Stonier's Global Science Congress, and on the drive over to Stephanie's place, I was told by them both that we were being watched and shadowed by the evil reptilians. Stephanie and Michael were both convinced that they were under 24/7 surveillance by reptillians and that every single thing that went wrong in their lives, whether it ranged from a light bulb blowing, to bad weather - was because the reptillians were trying to shut them down. Go figure.

    Anyway, back to Michael's book. I went through it with the viewpoint of publishing it if I considered it suitable. I questioned them both at length about how they derived the information. No hypnosis. No flashbacks. It was all yes/no responses from the e-meter. I read the questions he responded to, and they were VERY leading.

    I told them both that I didn't believe Michael had ANY such experiences or encounters as depicted in the book, and that I would not publish it.
    They put it to rest for quite a few years, and then once they saw the amount of garbage and bull**** making money for figureheads in the 'truth movement', they started circulating it again.
    This time it did not contain the backstory of HOW they derived the book.

    Along comes Michael Salla, back in the days when I had him speak at Nexus Conferences. At one of my conferences he announces Michael Relfe's book as authentic in his estimation.
    After his talk I privately spoke with him and recounted my experiences, knowledge of them both personally, and my access to said book before ANYONE else had been shown it.
    Michael Salla did NOT like being told that he might be wrong, and ignored my input.
    I shrugged my shoulders and made a note that Michael Salla was NOT a researcher of any integrity.

    Fast forward some more years and Salla is in bed with Wilcock and Goode. I again reached out and suggested he was being fooled. Again his ego did not like being challenged (being on stage a lot seems to do that to some people). So he doubled down and assured me that HIS research validated everything they were saying, and then he Michael Relfe's book as corroboration.
    I emailed him back telling him what I thought of his integrity and honesty, and told him he was persona non grata.

    Over the last 5-6 years, every time I saw Goode, Wilcock or Salla as an invited speaker at a big conference, I would contact the organisers and demand to know why they were putting up KNOWN frauds and con-artists as speakers. I really got up their noses and told them I would even run FREE ads in Nexus if they removed those frauds from the lineup.

    I stress there that I only targetted those three as frauds. I would have loved to have included the notorious grifter and thief known as Stephen Bassett and have him removed from conferences, but he doesn't fabricate information. He just steals money from people and never pays it back.

    So Bill, you are wrong on this one regarding Michael Relfe I'm afraid.

    Yes, there is a parallel society of humans and non-humans working together with advanced technology - and Henry was the very last insider to leak details. There has been no other 'insider' leaks - just managed and controlled disinformation and misinformation.

    I don't put Michael Relfe into the category of a deliberate fraud or conman. Those two actually believed their own narrative and findings. No bad intent there in my opinion. Unlike Wilcock, Goode and Emery Smith et al.

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    Quote Posted by NexusEditor (here)
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    The one thing that is consistent across the board with the controlled MILABs turned new age gurus that are emerging from Project Ibis is the way that they are treated in the UFO/ET disclosure community. Every door is opened, and every opportunity available is given to them. They are never turned away from an interview, they are never solidly scrutinized by the community itself, and the opportunities to make money come flooding in like flies on feces serving as yet another layer of control. They are never treated to digital NSA harassment, Big Tech algorithmic suppression, directed energy attacks, transdimensional AI psychic attacks, and any of the other forms of targeting that many of us experience. Their meteoric rise to prominence is propelled by a sophisticated multilayered system of suppression and promotion designed to sew confusion and division in an already dysfunctional and highly manipulated community.

    With all of the factors at play, it is no wonder that Corey Goode's cult of followers will continue to financially support him, finance his lawsuits, attack his critics on his behalf, and continue to follow him and believe everything that he says no matter how obvious it is that he is not only a fraud, but a highly manipulated sociopath. I sincerely hope that none of his future litigious actions harm Bill Ryan or anyone else who found the courage and conviction to expose him for being the injection of poison into our community that has allowed for a seemingly never-ending influx of people who have turned the pursuit of truth into a global clown show of ego, greed, and delusion.
    What an excellent post, perfectly written.

    Whether it's all been engineered at a high level of organized obfuscation or not, what Corey has done (others too, like Emery Smith, Randy Cramer, Andy Basiago et al) plays perfectly into the hands of those who want to keep the Secret Space Program fully classified: ideally branded and dismissed as some kind of fantasy comic-book light entertainment.

    The actual Secret Space Program I've been convinced for years is all too real. (Jay Weidner would agree.) I've also said for years that anyone who comes forward to try to substantiate it is in some way 'damaged goods'.

    If they ever were part of a highly classified program (which some may well have been) and are now trying to talk about it, either they flunked out of the program through some failure or other mishap, or were compromised when they left to ensure that their memories were well and truly messed up and altered.

    The only Secret Space Program whistleblowers I am sure are credible are Camelot witness Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) and Michael Relfe, whose wife Stephanie wrote The Mars Records. Researching anyone else's claims is likely to lead down long glittering, seductive neon-lit rabbit holes that go absolutely nowhere.

    Do see this long and very interesting thread:
    Bill,
    I concur with Henry Deacon being the real deal. I had some conversations with him myself.

    But you are totally wrong on Michael Relfe. I actually know Stephanie his wife, from many years ago in Australia. Stephanie has a scientology background and uses the e-meter. Stephanie and I ended up disagreeing with each other on a lot of conspiracy things, mostly because she was/is a Sai Baba devotee. She was not happy that I had exposed Sai Baba as both a fraud and a pedophile rapist. (I should point out here, that I originally began my investigation into Sai Baba in order to clear his name. I found endless evidence and more, of the opposite.)

    Fast forward a few years and Stephanie moves to Florida and marries Michael.

    I was invited to their house for dinner, and asked to look at the book they concocted together. I was in Florida as an invited guest speaker at one of Dean Stonier's Global Science Congress, and on the drive over to Stephanie's place, I was told by them both that we were being watched and shadowed by the evil reptilians. Stephanie and Michael were both convinced that they were under 24/7 surveillance by reptillians and that every single thing that went wrong in their lives, whether it ranged from a light bulb blowing, to bad weather - was because the reptillians were trying to shut them down. Go figure.

    Anyway, back to Michael's book. I went through it with the viewpoint of publishing it if I considered it suitable. I questioned them both at length about how they derived the information. No hypnosis. No flashbacks. It was all yes/no responses from the e-meter. I read the questions he responded to, and they were VERY leading.

    I told them both that I didn't believe Michael had ANY such experiences or encounters as depicted in the book, and that I would not publish it.
    They put it to rest for quite a few years, and then once they saw the amount of garbage and bull**** making money for figureheads in the 'truth movement', they started circulating it again.
    This time it did not contain the backstory of HOW they derived the book.

    Along comes Michael Salla, back in the days when I had him speak at Nexus Conferences. At one of my conferences he announces Michael Relfe's book as authentic in his estimation.
    After his talk I privately spoke with him and recounted my experiences, knowledge of them both personally, and my access to said book before ANYONE else had been shown it.
    Michael Salla did NOT like being told that he might be wrong, and ignored my input.
    I shrugged my shoulders and made a note that Michael Salla was NOT a researcher of any integrity.

    Fast forward some more years and Salla is in bed with Wilcock and Goode. I again reached out and suggested he was being fooled. Again his ego did not like being challenged (being on stage a lot seems to do that to some people). So he doubled down and assured me that HIS research validated everything they were saying, and then he Michael Relfe's book as corroboration.
    I emailed him back telling him what I thought of his integrity and honesty, and told him he was persona non grata.

    Over the last 5-6 years, every time I saw Goode, Wilcock or Salla as an invited speaker at a big conference, I would contact the organisers and demand to know why they were putting up KNOWN frauds and con-artists as speakers. I really got up their noses and told them I would even run FREE ads in Nexus if they removed those frauds from the lineup.

    I stress there that I only targetted those three as frauds. I would have loved to have included the notorious grifter and thief known as Stephen Bassett and have him removed from conferences, but he doesn't fabricate information. He just steals money from people and never pays it back.

    So Bill, you are wrong on this one regarding Michael Relfe I'm afraid.

    Yes, there is a parallel society of humans and non-humans working together with advanced technology - and Henry was the very last insider to leak details. There has been no other 'insider' leaks - just managed and controlled disinformation and misinformation.

    I don't put Michael Relfe into the category of a deliberate fraud or conman. Those two actually believed their own narrative and findings. No bad intent there in my opinion. Unlike Wilcock, Goode and Emery Smith et al.
    ~~~

    Very many thanks, Duncan, and I fully understand all that. (Btw, this may need to be moved or copied to the [very short!] thread we have about The Mars Records, here: The Mars Records - the testimony of Michael Relfe.)

    Here are just a few added comments, FYI, that may be interesting to some. I'm most definitely not countering anything that you say.
    • I knew Allen Wright quite well, who personally trained Stephanie Relfe in her techniques. (Allen was highly experienced and competent.) But both Allen and I were aware that Stephanie didn't deploy the scientology auditing processes strictly by the book — not at all. That can be seen in the transcripts, though the errors won't be obvious to most people.
    • I never corresponded with Michael, but I had quite some correspondence with Stephanie. (I never met her, though.) Pertinent to this thread — as you may know! — was that she was fiercely critical of Corey Goode, who she regarded as a plagiarist.
    • When I was working with Kerry Cassidy in the early days of Project Camelot, we very much wanted to interview Michael — but he always declined. What impressed me there was that he never sought any publicity for whatever his experiences really were. I'm not aware of any interviews he's ever given in any form, but if you do know of any I'd be most interested to read or listen.
    • I do agree with your generous final comment: "I don't put Michael Relfe into the category of a deliberate fraud or conman. Those two actually believed their own narrative and findings. No bad intent there in my opinion."
    • My own final comment. I know enough about the techniques that Stephanie did use, or try to use, or used with some clumsiness, that there had to be something there in Michael's stated recall that was 'real'. This wasn't all pure fiction or fantasy. But it might have been about a previous lifetime long ago, maybe in another galaxy far far away , and maybe many incidents could have been confused and mixed up together — maybe even 'picking up' the experiences of others as well. (All those weird things are possible.)
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    The one thing that is consistent across the board with the controlled MILABs turned new age gurus that are emerging from Project Ibis is the way that they are treated in the UFO/ET disclosure community. Every door is opened, and every opportunity available is given to them. They are never turned away from an interview, they are never solidly scrutinized by the community itself, and the opportunities to make money come flooding in like flies on feces serving as yet another layer of control. They are never treated to digital NSA harassment, Big Tech algorithmic suppression, directed energy attacks, transdimensional AI psychic attacks, and any of the other forms of targeting that many of us experience. Their meteoric rise to prominence is propelled by a sophisticated multilayered system of suppression and promotion designed to sew confusion and division in an already dysfunctional and highly manipulated community.

    With all of the factors at play, it is no wonder that Corey Goode's cult of followers will continue to financially support him, finance his lawsuits, attack his critics on his behalf, and continue to follow him and believe everything that he says no matter how obvious it is that he is not only a fraud, but a highly manipulated sociopath. I sincerely hope that none of his future litigious actions harm Bill Ryan or anyone else who found the courage and conviction to expose him for being the injection of poison into our community that has allowed for a seemingly never-ending influx of people who have turned the pursuit of truth into a global clown show of ego, greed, and delusion.
    What an excellent post, perfectly written.

    Whether it's all been engineered at a high level of organized obfuscation or not, what Corey has done (others too, like Emery Smith, Randy Cramer, Andy Basiago et al) plays perfectly into the hands of those who want to keep the Secret Space Program fully classified: ideally branded and dismissed as some kind of fantasy comic-book light entertainment.

    The actual Secret Space Program I've been convinced for years is all too real. (Jay Weidner would agree.) I've also said for years that anyone who comes forward to try to substantiate it is in some way 'damaged goods'.

    If they ever were part of a highly classified program (which some may well have been) and are now trying to talk about it, either they flunked out of the program through some failure or other mishap, or were compromised when they left to ensure that their memories were well and truly messed up and altered.

    The only Secret Space Program whistleblowers I am sure are credible are Camelot witness Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann) and Michael Relfe, whose wife Stephanie wrote The Mars Records. Researching anyone else's claims is likely to lead down long glittering, seductive neon-lit rabbit holes that go absolutely nowhere.

    Do see this long and very interesting thread:
    Bill,
    I concur with Henry Deacon being the real deal. I had some conversations with him myself.

    But you are totally wrong on Michael Relfe. I actually know Stephanie his wife, from many years ago in Australia. Stephanie has a scientology background and uses the e-meter. Stephanie and I ended up disagreeing with each other on a lot of conspiracy things, mostly because she was/is a Sai Baba devotee. She was not happy that I had exposed Sai Baba as both a fraud and a pedophile rapist. (I should point out here, that I originally began my investigation into Sai Baba in order to clear his name. I found endless evidence and more, of the opposite.)

    Fast forward a few years and Stephanie moves to Florida and marries Michael.

    I was invited to their house for dinner, and asked to look at the book they concocted together. I was in Florida as an invited guest speaker at one of Dean Stonier's Global Science Congress, and on the drive over to Stephanie's place, I was told by them both that we were being watched and shadowed by the evil reptilians. Stephanie and Michael were both convinced that they were under 24/7 surveillance by reptillians and that every single thing that went wrong in their lives, whether it ranged from a light bulb blowing, to bad weather - was because the reptillians were trying to shut them down. Go figure.

    Anyway, back to Michael's book. I went through it with the viewpoint of publishing it if I considered it suitable. I questioned them both at length about how they derived the information. No hypnosis. No flashbacks. It was all yes/no responses from the e-meter. I read the questions he responded to, and they were VERY leading.

    I told them both that I didn't believe Michael had ANY such experiences or encounters as depicted in the book, and that I would not publish it.
    They put it to rest for quite a few years, and then once they saw the amount of garbage and bull**** making money for figureheads in the 'truth movement', they started circulating it again.
    This time it did not contain the backstory of HOW they derived the book.

    Along comes Michael Salla, back in the days when I had him speak at Nexus Conferences. At one of my conferences he announces Michael Relfe's book as authentic in his estimation.
    After his talk I privately spoke with him and recounted my experiences, knowledge of them both personally, and my access to said book before ANYONE else had been shown it.
    Michael Salla did NOT like being told that he might be wrong, and ignored my input.
    I shrugged my shoulders and made a note that Michael Salla was NOT a researcher of any integrity.

    Fast forward some more years and Salla is in bed with Wilcock and Goode. I again reached out and suggested he was being fooled. Again his ego did not like being challenged (being on stage a lot seems to do that to some people). So he doubled down and assured me that HIS research validated everything they were saying, and then he Michael Relfe's book as corroboration.
    I emailed him back telling him what I thought of his integrity and honesty, and told him he was persona non grata.

    Over the last 5-6 years, every time I saw Goode, Wilcock or Salla as an invited speaker at a big conference, I would contact the organisers and demand to know why they were putting up KNOWN frauds and con-artists as speakers. I really got up their noses and told them I would even run FREE ads in Nexus if they removed those frauds from the lineup.

    I stress there that I only targetted those three as frauds. I would have loved to have included the notorious grifter and thief known as Stephen Bassett and have him removed from conferences, but he doesn't fabricate information. He just steals money from people and never pays it back.

    So Bill, you are wrong on this one regarding Michael Relfe I'm afraid.

    Yes, there is a parallel society of humans and non-humans working together with advanced technology - and Henry was the very last insider to leak details. There has been no other 'insider' leaks - just managed and controlled disinformation and misinformation.

    I don't put Michael Relfe into the category of a deliberate fraud or conman. Those two actually believed their own narrative and findings. No bad intent there in my opinion. Unlike Wilcock, Goode and Emery Smith et al.
    ~~~

    Very many thanks, Duncan, and I fully understand all that. (Btw, this may need to be moved or copied to the [very short!] thread we have about The Mars Records, here: The Mars Records - the testimony of Michael Relfe.)

    Here are just a few added comments, FYI, that may be interesting to some. I'm most definitely not countering anything that you say.
    • I knew Allen Wright quite well, who personally trained Stephanie Relfe in her techniques. (Allen was highly experienced and competent.) But both Allen and I were aware that Stephanie didn't deploy the scientology auditing processes strictly by the book — not at all. That can be seen in the transcripts, though the errors won't be obvious to most people.
    • I never corresponded with Michael, but I had quite some correspondence with Stephanie. (I never met her, though.) Pertinent to this thread — as you may know! — was that she was fiercely critical of Corey Goode, who she regarded as a plagiarist.
    • When I was working with Kerry Cassidy in the early days of Project Camelot, we very much wanted to interview Michael — but he always declined. What impressed me there was that he never sought any publicity for whatever his experiences really were. I'm not aware of any interviews he's ever given in any form, but if you do know of any I'd be most interested to read or listen.
    • I do agree with your generous final comment: "I don't put Michael Relfe into the category of a deliberate fraud or conman. Those two actually believed their own narrative and findings. No bad intent there in my opinion."
    • My own final comment. I know enough about the techniques that Stephanie did use, or try to use, or used with some clumsiness, that there had to be something there in Michael's stated recall that was 'real'. This wasn't all pure fiction or fantasy. But it might have been about a previous lifetime long ago, maybe in another galaxy far far away , and maybe many incidents could have been confused and mixed up together — maybe even 'picking up' the experiences of others as well. (All those weird things are possible.)
    The problem as I see it when taking data from sessions of past lives or experiences buried in the subconscious is that of Episodic Memory.

    It is necessarily subjective, and not easily able to be correlated. Which does not mean it is not real, or contains some truth (fraudster and grifters excluded here obviously).

    Quote from embedded link above:

    Quote Episodic memory is the memory of everyday events (such as times, location geography, associated emotions, and other contextual information) that can be explicitly stated or conjured. It is the collection of past personal experiences that occurred at particular times and places; for example, the party on one's 7th birthday. Along with semantic memory, it comprises the category of explicit memory, one of the two major divisions of long-term memory (the other being implicit memory).

    The term "episodic memory" was coined by Endel Tulving in 1972, referring to the distinction between knowing and remembering: knowing is factual recollection (semantic) whereas remembering is a feeling that is located in the past (episodic).

    One of the main components of episodic memory is the process of recollection, which elicits the retrieval of contextual information pertaining to a specific event or experience that has occurred. Tulving seminally defined three key properties of episodic memory recollection as:

    A subjective sense of time (or mental time travel)

    Connection to the self

    Autonoetic consciousness, a special kind of consciousness that accompanies the act
    of remembering, which enables an individual to be aware of the self in a subjective
    time

    Aside from Tulving, others named additional aspects of recollection, including visual imagery, narrative structure, retrieval of semantic information and feelings of familiarity.

    Events that are recorded into episodic memory may trigger episodic learning, i.e. a change in behavior that occurs as a result of an event, such as a fear of dogs after being bitten by a dog.
    The only way to verify events from this data is to cross reference data derived from many others.

    I always thought it would be really innovative to have a collection of blind case studies and pool them into a granular database to see if there was significant correlation between memories of actual events and the individual memories of those doing regression/recollection.

    Alas, since that is not doable at the moment, we are left with taking the data from those doing memory recollection techniques as being simply for noting but not able to be reliably verified. At this stage.

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    " At this point I can't keep blaming him, it's the people who are supporting this who are at fault. This guy is mentally and morally deficient, and OMG, what does that say for his cult members?"

    It says that his cult members are capable of ANYTHING- dangerous

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    " At this point I can't keep blaming him, it's the people who are supporting this who are at fault. This guy is mentally and morally deficient, and OMG, what does that say for his cult members?"

    It says that his cult members are capable of ANYTHING- dangerous
    Oh, but can you imagine their position in trying to pretend his Story has any reality to it whatsoever eh ?

    🐦 >>>
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    His recent testimony (in the twitter thread above) utterly shreds-to-bits everything he has been saying over the last several years, totally undermining his own position I'd say ... it must seem so untenable now even for his most dedicated followers / supporters eh ?

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    Lucky I found this thread immediately after watching Above Majestic.

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