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    Based on a 50 year doubling rate - WORLD POPULATION

    Year . . . . Population . . . . Doubling rate (years)
    2000 . . . . 6.00E+09 . . . . 50

    Year . . . . Yrs. Diff. . . Population
    2020 . . . . . 20 . . . . 7.92E+09 (billions)
    2050 . . . . . 50 . . . . 1.20E+10
    2100 . . . . 100 . . . . 2.40E+10
    2150 . . . . 150 . . . . 4.80E+10
    2200 . . . . 200 . . . . 9.60E+10
    2300 . . . . 300 . . . . 3.84E+11
    2400 . . . . 400 . . . . 1.54E+12 (trillions)
    2500 . . . . 500 . . . . 6.14E+12
    2600 . . . . 600 . . . . 2.46E+13
    2700 . . . . 700 . . . . 9.83E+13
    2800 . . . . 800 . . . . 3.93E+14
    2900 . . . . 900 . . . . 1.57E+15 (quadrillions)
    3000 . . . 1000 . . . . 6.29E+15

    CENSUS
    2021 : 7.919 BILLION, not too far off, eh?

    It is vital to the survival of humanity (and to have more abundant life) for mankind to establish autonomous, self reliant, very large orbital habitats and vivariums. (Terraforming other planets is too slow and wasteful of resources)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization
    “Resources in space are enormous, both in materials and energy. The Solar System alone has, according to different estimates, enough material and energy to support a human population anywhere from several thousand to over a billion times that of the current human population.
    “Outside the Solar System in the Milky Way are anywhere up to several hundred billion other stellar systems.”
    At 1/10 C, humanity could span the Galaxy in half a billion years, give or take a million.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120219...ics/wwwwh.html
    “The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.”
    .. .. ..
    Let us have more abundant life - in the up and out !

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    Hmmmm I remember seeing something that said our population would start declining due to 3rd world countries being more educated and people deciding to have fewer children. I’ll see if I can find it. That and the fact that the vaccine seems to play a role in infertility.

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=worl...ile-gws-wiz-hp
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    Let us play... possible scenarios...

    Let say we play a sort of "monopoly " game...the cards could be something like:

    a) Natural resources(whatever and where they may be...
    b) Population
    c) Overpopulation
    d) Parcel lots (Earth, another planet, satellites, whatever you plant your flag on...)
    e)Break away "civilization" "people"
    f)Star Trek technology
    g)Mad scientist
    h)Cataclysmic events (like 2 coming, mini nova, Nuclear war, poles flip, comets/asteroids rain, Alien invasion, insert your fearfully event...
    i) THEY(whatever or whomever will be)

    It is super clear( for everybody with 2 neurons still working...) that (i) are in a hurry...why?
    1) because THEY know that (h) come too soon...
    2) And THEY already have hybrid man/woman to replace/repopulate Earth or wherever under their (b) flavor...

    How I come to this conclusion?

    When you Sums e+ f+ g+ i THEY don't ****ing care anymore about ENYTHING and b/c.

    Everybody reading this and the 99% of b/c are totally spendable.

    But, hey! hold your popcorn!
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    So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

    Not buying it.
    "Without the human request, nothing will happen."

    "This must never be forgotten, that the human has the power to prevail."

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    Humans are discoverers, explorers, it's in our nature. To colonize new worlds is an incredibly exciting adventure. What will we find? What we don't know and what we don't know that we didn't even know.

    As Elon Musk says, "we need to become a space faring people." Just not me - thank you!

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

    Not buying it.
    Based on quadrupling populations every 100 years, I don't know of any other viable solution that provides for the seventh generation yet to come.

    FYI : socialist genocide is not a viable solution (see: Graying of Europe, etc). Coincidentally, only socialist "paradises" are experiencing a drop in fertility. Those "primitive" non-socialist cultures are creating a surplus - and exporting them to (guess?) - socialist paradises in Europe and USA.
    Even China [1.4 B], with its [former] one child policy, has created more problems that solutions. The preference for male children has skewed the gender balance, but not the cultural preferences. I suspect India [1.2 B] without any restraint, will surpass China as #1 in population, and continue to export its surplus to the world.
    . . . .
    How that will play out - who knows?
    . . . .
    Re: "SPACE SHIPS"
    I stipulate that most science fiction / fantasy depictions in the (m)ass media are wholly ridiculous.
    When I refer to vivariums and orbital habitats, they are specifically very large volumes, divided into concentric decks, with a multitude of ecological zones for wildlife, as well as human habitat.
    In addition, the best overall shielding from cosmic rays, and hard stuff that generates secondary X-rays, are hydrogen rich materials - like H2O. So I think the optimal design would have the outermost shell of a spinning cylindrical space colony filled with water - a celestial ocean (salt or fresh, as preferred).
    [Yup, no windows... sigh]

    Giant Rigatonis in Space

    (Spinning cylinders would probably keep the hub axis open, for easy docking and zero-G transfers of large cargo.)

    Thought Experiment :
    An “Island Three” O’Neill colony might consist of (2) 5 mile diameter by 20 mile long cylinders.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
    Radius = 13200 ft. (4023.4 m)
    Each cylinder could hold 1319 “floors” of concentric cylinders, with a total surface area of 207188.04 square miles (536614.56 square kilometers).
    Combining both cylinders, the net result is 414,376.08 square miles (1073229.12 square kilometers).

    (For comparison, the surface area of California is 163,696 sq mi or 423970.69 sq km )

    If the maximum population density was 100/ sq.mi.(6.4 acres per person), a space colony could contain 41,437,608 passengers. (A charter crew of half a million would take about 300 years to reproduce enough to hit the max. Of course, after self sufficiency, the next job is to bud off another colony. Assuming a 20 year building cycle, folks who want to start their "own" colony can stock it and head off to a new orbit.)

    Banks of Shells of Decks


    To boost the number of usable decks, let us have nested concentric spinning cylinders, to have more decks with “near Earth normal” 1 g

    5 mile diameter ship has a radius of 13200 feet.
    1,319 decks (10 ft or 3.048 m apart)
    Divide the decks into banks of shells
    For a range of G = 1.0 to 0.7, computes to 9 cylinders / shells + 1 zero G hub
    {Deck 1 is always the heaviest, higher number decks have lesser G forces}
    . . . . .
    Shell 1, Deck 1, . . G=1.0, 0.470 RPM, 443.13 MPH
    Shell 1, Deck 398, .G= 0.7, 0.470 RPM, 309.85 MPH

    Shell 2, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.562 RPM, 369.95 MPH
    Shell 2, Deck 275, .G=0.7, 0.562 RPM, 259.20 MPH

    Shell 3, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.672 RPM, 309.28 MPH
    Shell 3, Deck 192, .G=0.7, 0.672 RPM, 216.73 MPH
    . . .
    (and so on)
    . . .
    Shell 9, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 1.934 RPM, 104.92 MPH
    Shell 9, Deck 21, . .G=0.7, 1.934 RPM, 74.55 MPH
    = = = =
    As far as I can determine, no science fiction author or futurist has suggested nested cylinders to increase the "ideal" gravity zone for humans.
    Most "generation ships" and "world ships" tend to be simple spinning cylinders with gradiated drop in "G" as one approaches the hub.
    Or worse, big hollow cylinders showing clouds, etc. Which ignores the differential in air speed from angular velocity - causing hurricane speed wind differentials.
    They may "look" pretty but are horrid examples.
    - - -
    Caveat : An "Island 3" O'Neill colony is based on 1970s "state of the art."
    - - -
    MCKENDREE COLONY
    A McKendree cylinder is a type of hypothetical rotating space habitat originally proposed at NASA's Turning Goals into Reality conference in 2000 by NASA engineer Tom McKendree
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKendree_cylinder
    McKendree’s design would use carbon nanotubes instead of steel, allowing the habitat to be built much larger.
    CYLINDER: 290 mi x 2900 mi (466 km x 4667 km)
    Area = 101,137,475,080.59 sq mi; 26,194,485,796,813.16 hectares; 261,944,857,968.1 km2;
    or 513.54 Terrs* per colony
    Decks = 76,544
    Population = 5.057E+12 (@ 50 per sq mile) (@ 19 per km2)
    (central corridor = 300 ft (91.4 m) diameter)

    *Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.

    ONE COLONY = 500+ "EARTHS"
    Max. Pop. of 5 trillions in each one

    >> whoa ! <<

    In the space between Mars, Earth, Venus, Total colonies = 9.864 billion, with a 4000 km spacing on the ecliptic. (If orbits are inclined to the ecliptic, even more can be squeezed in) DYSON SWARM ME, BABY !

    9.864 billion colonies x 5 trillion passengers = 49,320,000,000,000,000,000,000 capacity
    49.3 Sextillion (which humanity could surpass in 4000 AD)

    If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.

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    So how do you move all those giant habitats?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpl...nsport_Network
    The Interplanetary Transport Network (ITN) is a collection of gravitationally determined pathways through the Solar System that require very little energy for an object to follow. The ITN makes particular use of Lagrange points as locations where trajectories through space are redirected using little or no energy. These points have the peculiar property of allowing objects to orbit around them, despite lacking an object to orbit. While they use little energy, the transport can take a very long time.
    - - -
    This option is due to the advancement in computer technology that the "old timers" had no access to, when projecting how interplanetary travel would function.
    And when you're in a self sufficient, autonomous orbital colony, taking a long time to move is not an issue.
    For those in a "hurry" - we may implement laser propulsion, powered by our friendly neighborhood fusion reactor - Mr Sun.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion

    IF WE HAD LASER PROPULSION... (no fuel need be taken)
    We might send an expedition to Alpha Centauri (4.4 ly) thusly.

    Using solar powered lasers, focused upon a spinning transport, it can accelerate at One Tenth Gee, to reach a velocity of 0.1c in 353.82 days,
    Distance when achieved: 4.582 E+14m (458.2 Terameters)
    (0.048 light years)(17.7 light days)

    FYI: Oort cloud estimated to be from 0.8 to 3.2 ly

    Approximately 46 years to reach Alpha Centauri.

    (Decelerated with lasers built by an earlier expedition of robot scouts / factories, sent 50 to 100 years earlier. Or just rely on the stellar output of the destination star.)

    It would also be wise to launch a new transport colony every year. This would result in a daisy chain of relay stations separated by 0.1 ly. A continuous moving chain of transports would insure that communications would keep humanity together, as we spread across the firmament.

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    STAR BROWSER (Celestia)
    One can figure out which stars are candidates for colonization, by examining the neighborhood.

    SOL (start)
    1. A. Centauri 4.365 ly
    2. Barnard’s Star 5.979 ly
    3. CN Leo 7.782 ly
    4. Gliese 411 8.294 ly
    5. Sirius 8.583 ly
    6. BL Cet 8.728 ly
    7. V1216 Sgr 9.672 ly
    8. EPS Eridani 10.48 ly
    9. SCR J1845-6357 A 12.57 ly
    10. AX Mic 12.87 ly
    Up to ten expeditions might be mounted to our nearest star neighbors.

    Rigil Kentaurus A (Alpha Centauri) (start)
    1. Sol 4.36 ly
    2. Barnard’s Star 6.474 ly
    3. V1216 Sgr 8.071 ly
    4. CN Leo 8.289 ly
    5. SCR J1845-6357 A 8.927 ly
    6. Sirius 9.521 ly
    7. EPS Ind A 9.65 ly
    V1216 Sgr / Gliese 729 / Ross 154 / HIP 92403 (start)
    1. Barnard’s Star 5.512 ly
    2. AX Mic 7.36 ly
    3. Gliese 674 7.778 ly
    4. EPS Ind A 8.932 ly
    AX Mic / Gliese 825/ Lacaille 8760 / Cordoba 29191 (start)
    1. Gliese 832 4.214 ly
    2. EPS Ind A 4.296 ly

    REAL STAR TREK (at sublight velocities)
    Sol => 4.3 ly Alpha Centauri => 8 ly Gliese 729 => 7.36 ly Gliese 825
    43yrs + 80 yrs + 73.6 yrs
    -vs-
    Sol => 12.87 ly Gliese 825
    128.7 years (direct flight)

    Takes longer to go by steps, but the transport time is far less. If we assume a century or two lay-over in each destination star system, to provide time for population growth and new construction, transports to Gliese 825 might launch as early as 2800 AD.

    INFO: Gliese 825, aka Lacaille 8760 (AX Microscopii) is a red dwarf star in the constellation Microscopium. It is one of the nearest stars to the Sun at about 12.9 light-years' distance, and the brightest M dwarf star in Earth's night sky, although it is generally too faint to be seen without a telescope. At an apparent magnitude of +6.7 it may only be visible to the unaided eye under exceptionally good viewing conditions, under dark skies.
    Due to its low mass (60% of the Sun), it has an expected lifespan of about 75 billion (7.5 × 10^10) years, seven times longer than the Sun's.
    It is a flare star, but it is relatively quiet, only erupting on average less than once per day.
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    Quote Posted by ozmirage (here)
    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    So instead of coming together and solving real world problems (sorry Bill Gates, overpopulation isn't one of them) we should simply move, live a happy life in space on a space ship.

    Not buying it.
    Based on quadrupling populations every 100 years, I don't know of any other viable solution that provides for the seventh generation yet to come.

    FYI : socialist genocide is not a viable solution (see: Graying of Europe, etc). Coincidentally, only socialist "paradises" are experiencing a drop in fertility. Those "primitive" non-socialist cultures are creating a surplus - and exporting them to (guess?) - socialist paradises in Europe and USA.
    Even China [1.4 B], with its [former] one child policy, has created more problems that solutions. The preference for male children has skewed the gender balance, but not the cultural preferences. I suspect India [1.2 B] without any restraint, will surpass China as #1 in population, and continue to export its surplus to the world.
    . . . .
    How that will play out - who knows?
    . . . .
    Re: "SPACE SHIPS"
    I stipulate that most science fiction / fantasy depictions in the (m)ass media are wholly ridiculous.
    When I refer to vivariums and orbital habitats, they are specifically very large volumes, divided into concentric decks, with a multitude of ecological zones for wildlife, as well as human habitat.
    In addition, the best overall shielding from cosmic rays, and hard stuff that generates secondary X-rays, are hydrogen rich materials - like H2O. So I think the optimal design would have the outermost shell of a spinning cylindrical space colony filled with water - a celestial ocean (salt or fresh, as preferred).
    [Yup, no windows... sigh]

    Giant Rigatonis in Space

    (Spinning cylinders would probably keep the hub axis open, for easy docking and zero-G transfers of large cargo.)

    Thought Experiment :
    An “Island Three” O’Neill colony might consist of (2) 5 mile diameter by 20 mile long cylinders.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder
    Radius = 13200 ft. (4023.4 m)
    Each cylinder could hold 1319 “floors” of concentric cylinders, with a total surface area of 207188.04 square miles (536614.56 square kilometers).
    Combining both cylinders, the net result is 414,376.08 square miles (1073229.12 square kilometers).

    (For comparison, the surface area of California is 163,696 sq mi or 423970.69 sq km )

    If the maximum population density was 100/ sq.mi.(6.4 acres per person), a space colony could contain 41,437,608 passengers. (A charter crew of half a million would take about 300 years to reproduce enough to hit the max. Of course, after self sufficiency, the next job is to bud off another colony. Assuming a 20 year building cycle, folks who want to start their "own" colony can stock it and head off to a new orbit.)

    Banks of Shells of Decks


    To boost the number of usable decks, let us have nested concentric spinning cylinders, to have more decks with “near Earth normal” 1 g

    5 mile diameter ship has a radius of 13200 feet.
    1,319 decks (10 ft or 3.048 m apart)
    Divide the decks into banks of shells
    For a range of G = 1.0 to 0.7, computes to 9 cylinders / shells + 1 zero G hub
    {Deck 1 is always the heaviest, higher number decks have lesser G forces}
    . . . . .
    Shell 1, Deck 1, . . G=1.0, 0.470 RPM, 443.13 MPH
    Shell 1, Deck 398, .G= 0.7, 0.470 RPM, 309.85 MPH

    Shell 2, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.562 RPM, 369.95 MPH
    Shell 2, Deck 275, .G=0.7, 0.562 RPM, 259.20 MPH

    Shell 3, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 0.672 RPM, 309.28 MPH
    Shell 3, Deck 192, .G=0.7, 0.672 RPM, 216.73 MPH
    . . .
    (and so on)
    . . .
    Shell 9, Deck 1, . . .G=1.0, 1.934 RPM, 104.92 MPH
    Shell 9, Deck 21, . .G=0.7, 1.934 RPM, 74.55 MPH
    = = = =
    As far as I can determine, no science fiction author or futurist has suggested nested cylinders to increase the "ideal" gravity zone for humans.
    Most "generation ships" and "world ships" tend to be simple spinning cylinders with gradiated drop in "G" as one approaches the hub.
    Or worse, big hollow cylinders showing clouds, etc. Which ignores the differential in air speed from angular velocity - causing hurricane speed wind differentials.
    They may "look" pretty but are horrid examples.
    - - -
    Caveat : An "Island 3" O'Neill colony is based on 1970s "state of the art."
    - - -
    MCKENDREE COLONY
    A McKendree cylinder is a type of hypothetical rotating space habitat originally proposed at NASA's Turning Goals into Reality conference in 2000 by NASA engineer Tom McKendree
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKendree_cylinder
    McKendree’s design would use carbon nanotubes instead of steel, allowing the habitat to be built much larger.
    CYLINDER: 290 mi x 2900 mi (466 km x 4667 km)
    Area = 101,137,475,080.59 sq mi; 26,194,485,796,813.16 hectares; 261,944,857,968.1 km2;
    or 513.54 Terrs* per colony
    Decks = 76,544
    Population = 5.057E+12 (@ 50 per sq mile) (@ 19 per km2)
    (central corridor = 300 ft (91.4 m) diameter)

    *Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.

    ONE COLONY = 500+ "EARTHS"
    Max. Pop. of 5 trillions in each one

    >> whoa ! <<

    In the space between Mars, Earth, Venus, Total colonies = 9.864 billion, with a 4000 km spacing on the ecliptic. (If orbits are inclined to the ecliptic, even more can be squeezed in) DYSON SWARM ME, BABY !

    9.864 billion colonies x 5 trillion passengers = 49,320,000,000,000,000,000,000 capacity
    49.3 Sextillion (which humanity could surpass in 4000 AD)

    If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.
    Let me ask you this Ozmirage

    What do you attribute the leap in technological innovations over the past 100 years to?
    "Without the human request, nothing will happen."

    "This must never be forgotten, that the human has the power to prevail."

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    Quote Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
    Let me ask you this Ozmirage

    What do you attribute the leap in technological innovations over the past 100 years to?
    A more comprehensive answer may be found in the 1978 series "CONNECTIONS", hosted by James Burke.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078588/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connec...sh_documentary)
    [The documentary] took an interdisciplinary approach to the history of science and invention, and demonstrated how various discoveries, scientific achievements, and historical world events were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects of modern technology. The series was noted for Burke's crisp and enthusiastic presentation (and dry humour), historical re-enactments, and intricate working models.
    As to the discrepancy between what science fiction authors and futurists predicted, and what actually transpired, is a complicated question.
    A short answer, IMHO, is that it would appear that the power density capability of humans was not achieved, as predicted - which quashed all sorts of related aspects ranging from independently mobile robotic servants to inexpensive space flight. Even nuclear reactors are basically inefficient steam boilers.

    And what was NOT expected was the vast leap in computational power and density. A smart phone has more computational power than a room sized super computer of the 1960s-70s. A graphics card is several magnitudes more powerful than those same super computers... ironically being used to play video games. Coupled with that computational power was the ability to do fast fourier transforms and facilitate spread spectrum radio technology - used in cellular phones - and provide far more channels without interference in the same limited bandwidth.


    Multimillion $$$ Cray-2 supercomputer was once the world's fastest.
    Rated at 1.9 GFLOPS (billion floating point operations per second)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-2
    ...
    And it is outperformed by a Gamer GPU card.
    Radeon HD 7970: 3,789 GFLOPS (budget)
    nVidia GeForce RTX 3090 Ti : 78 TFLOPs (budget buster) (78 trillion ops per second)


    https://youtu.be/NcOb3Dilzjc
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    If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.[/QUOTE]

    The solution before come to that is : Vasalgel


    Vasalgel is a proprietary hydrogel injected into the vas deferens (the tube that sperm swim through). The procedure is similar to a vasectomy, but instead of permanently cutting the vas, the hydrogel is intended to act as a flexible filter for sperm. The ultimate goal is for the product to be easily dissolved or flushed out whenever a man wishes to restore the flow of sperm.

    https://nextlifesciences.org/vasalgel

    https://nextlifesciences.org/faq

    this product is existent at least 10 years...

    Originally tested in India (when the wannabe "Masters of Universe") still wanted a "normal" control population.

    But immediately were Shure that its work, they brake recoil...

    Their" excuse " to not bring that to market was, more or less something like that:

    Because man don't have monthly hormones dysfunction like woman, they no need a pill but an injection for 6 months, making the product "too expensive" for most men...(do you know any man too dumb for no pay cheerfully for this?)

    The real reason is that it would change for ever the birth control from woman to men...
    And that clash with their "emasculation" agenda ...

    Why? it would be a new "sexual revolution" but this time for men...because every normal intelligent man:
    1) will NEVER tell he is on the injection...
    2)It will be the end for "0000hppps! pregnancy
    3) Men will revaluate woman for another's deals what can she bringer after only sex (can you Cook?
    does she have any goals in life? and yada, yada depends what he valuates...)
    4) every man knows that any error will be pay with perpetual alimonies life long
    5) He will know exactly he is/is not the father his child/children

    All of this summarize why you never heard of.
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    Quote If you have a better solution that can accommodate 49.3 Sextillion human beans, by 4000 AD, let us know.
    The solution before come to that is : BIRTH CONTROL
    We'll have to agree to disagree.

    I don't consider wiping out the future descendants as a viable solution.

    Ironically, socialist countries that did cut back on their birthrates are scrambling to find "warm bodies" to support the growing ranks of aged recipients.
    (See: Graying of Europe)
    Unfortunately, accepting immigrants from incompatible cultures is backfiring.
    They're more likely to become recipients than tax payers. And they're not assimilating too well.

    Basically, we're facing Biowar, where the future belongs to the descendants. Fail to make enough, and your procreative neighbors inherit your lands, peacefully or not.

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    Hmmmm I remember seeing something that said our population would start declining due to 3rd world countries being more educated and people deciding to have fewer children. I’ll see if I can find it. That and the fact that the vaccine seems to play a role in infertility.

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=worl...ile-gws-wiz-hp
    POPULATION DOUBLING
    (NPG = negative population growth)

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    https://web.archive.org/web/20170814235823/http://sweeneyr.faculty.mjc.edu/Population%20Doubling%20time%20by%20Nation.pdf
    RUSSIA : NPG
    UKRAINE : NPG
    GREECE : ZPG
    DENMARK : 990 years
    AUSTRIA : 990 years
    POLAND : 573 years
    U.K. : 433 years
    FRANCE : 204 years
    CANADA : 127 years
    USA : 116 years
    AUSTRALIA : 100 years
    KOREA, S : 75 years
    CHINA : 67 years
    TURKEY : 43 years
    KOREA, N : 39 years
    INDIA : 36 years
    MEXICO : 32 years
    TANZANIA : 23 years
    NIGERIA : 23 years
    SAUDI ARABIA : 23 years
    LIBERIA : 22 years
    WEST BANK : 21 years
    NIGER : 21 years
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    RESTATEMENT

    1. World peace needs space colonization needs world peace. (War is a waste of resources that could be better used for space colonization)
    2. Geometric expansion of humanity cannot continue if limited to the finite resources of Earth
    3. Money is not prosperity nor real, but an abstraction for reality. Prosperity is based on prodigious production, equitable trade, and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. Achieving space colonization is not constrained by money, but by the aggregate surplus goods and services available to be diverted to that goal. And higher populations can generate more surplus !
    4. Most practical means to colonize the solar system is by constructing immense autonomous self reliant spinning habitats and vivariums, using abundant resources already in outer space (asteroids, comets, moons, etc). Using water in the outermost shell will shield against cosmic rays, beta particles, secondary radiation and most other harmful radiation. (Sorry, no “windows to open space”)
    5. Most efficient means to construct the infrastructure is to use autonomous robot factories ("Queen ants") which are seeded upon a multitude of celestial bodies. Each "queen" builds tools, that build the bigger tools, that build the shells, hulls, tanks, and habitats necessary for space colonization.
    6. Once completed, giant colonies can "surf gravity" via the Interplanetary Transport Network, to Earth's L4 or L5, where they would be crewed, loaded with embryos, zygotes, and seeds, and commissioned. Then each can be redirected to establish orbits, around the sun, cycling between planets, around moons, or anywhere that suits the crew members. (Cyclers can be low cost but slow means for travellers to "hitch a ride" between planets)
    7. Each colony can construct and establish human habitats and vivariums with varied climates to provide a suitable environment for their lifestock.
    8. Once the colony growth rate is faster than the human population growth rate, humanity is freed from the limitations imposed by a terrestrial lifestyle. By expanding into the solar system, more abundant life can exist.
    9. Thus we fulfill the destiny and meaning of life - to make more life, and more habitats for that abundance of life. Why? Life is an endless struggle against extinction by a hostile inanimate universe.
    10. If laser propulsion is perfected, a multitude of orbital laser stations can be established so that vessels can accelerate / decelerate using coherent light powered by our friendly neighborhood fusion reactor.
    11. Star systems may be colonized by first sending robot scouts / factories to investigate and begin construction of infrastructure, vessels, and laser propulsion systems. Then launch an armada (i.e., serial packets) of colony transport habitats, via laser propulsion (0.1g acceleration requires 354 days to reach 0.1c), to the neighboring star systems. The continuous long chain of ships, 0.1 light year apart, provide a communications link. One year from destination, decelerate using the laser systems previously built (or the star's own light output), and then crew, provision and commission the habitats and vivariums awaiting their arrival. (Low acceleration is more practical when living within a 1g spinning habitat.)
    12. Repeat the process, and expand life outward to new star systems, filling the galaxy in half a billion years or so.


    The alternatives aren't as pleasant.

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    Edgar Mitchell once said how transformative it was seeing the earth from space. And seeing it inspired a sense of duty within him. Duty to fix what's broken.

    It's kind of like we forget we live on a planet.

    I think our connection to earth is more profound than we think. We're literally a part of earth and we would miss her.
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    Edgar Mitchell once said how transformative it was seeing the earth from space. And seeing it inspired a sense of duty within him. Duty to fix what's broken.

    It's kind of like we forget we live on a planet.

    I think our connection to earth is more profound than we think. We're literally a part of earth and we would miss her.
    Yes, I heartily agree. Imagine the lack of Earth’s constraints, and only a devised physical environment. They will need a solid anti-human-nature Law, to not devolve into a race of couch and desk potatoes. Tho I guess drugs might make it feasible.

    I have heard of a people, several ‘dimensions’ up from us, who endeavour to bring their whole sun system back to Heaven with them. Iirc, they were on the fifth level of consciousness, throat/neck area chakra in us, and their star shone through their planet. They described themselves, their bodies and home surroundings, as part-material.

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    Isn't what projects like Asgardia is trying to do?


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    Asgardia aims to unite people in a transnational, equal and progressive society to build a new home for humanity in space and protect our cradle — planet Earth.

    First Human Born in Space

    Our key scientific goal is facilitating the first human childbirth in space — a crucial step on our path to immortality as a species."

    source: https://asgardia.space/en/pages/mission
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    We should fix the human condition.

    Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

    It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

    They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

    That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.
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    We should fix the human condition.

    Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.

    It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

    They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

    That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.
    Here here

    This is what could be thought of as the human dilemma! Who are these UNELECTED globalists anyway? What or who gave them the right infiltrate our world and impose THEIR ways on us?

    In a sense, through our collective weakness, we were taken over.

    This speaks to what can happen when INTERLOPERS infiltrate a society and poison it by imposing materialistic GODLESS ideologies devoid of Love or Compassion. Installing Authoritarian governments thar rule by fear.

    That being said it's still not too late to recall, invite, call on the Highest Source of all that is good, our true nature's, for help. Just as we help a brother in need, the Divine CAN and in fact ARE coming to our rescue. Their power truly comes from our intentions for something better.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    We should fix the human condition.

    Space colonisation would be regarded as a spreading cancer, under current management and conditioning.


    It would fix the problems here on earth too. We're trashing the planet, but the trashers are the very same people who are trying to sell the idea that we're screwed because there are too many useless eaters. Who created useless eaters ? They did. We can fix all this, but not until we get them out of the bloody way, at the very least.

    They just don't want to change the things that need to be changed to make living on this planet actually work well. They want to continue to be spiritually ignorant selfish idiots living in a firm belief that they can always get away with that as long it's only a few of them being such toxic vandalistic litter louts.

    That is SO ass backwards. If there's any culling to be done it's very obvious where to start. They know that too, that's why they work so hard to make the rest of too confused and stupid the figure it out.
    Here here

    This is what could be thought of as the human dilemma! Who are these UNELECTED globalists anyway? What or who gave them the right infiltrate our world and impose THEIR ways on us?

    In a sense, through our collective weakness, we were taken over.

    This speaks to what can happen when INTERLOPERS infiltrate a society and poison it by imposing materialistic GODLESS ideologies devoid of Love or Compassion. Installing Authoritarian governments thar rule by fear.

    That being said it's still not too late to recall, invite, call on the Highest Source of all that is good, our true nature's, for help. Just as we help a brother in need, the Divine CAN and in fact ARE coming to our rescue. Their power truly comes from our intentions for something better.
    "Cancer"?
    If more abundant life is cancer, and sterile universe is not, bring on the big "C".
    Only humans can significantly "thicken" the life bearing volume of a finite surface area on a planet like Earth - and in outer space.
    Mother Nature's best attempts are trees and beavers.

    "Help"?
    I doubt big "G" would interfere. If He gave us "free will" any interference is a violation of that gift.
    And if one believes in scripture, Ezekiel 18:13 KJV pretty much condemns the "faithful" as "dead men walking" if they have personal, interest bearing bank accounts (Even Jesus whipped the usurers out of the temple).

    PUNK AMISH
    Once the production of new colonies outstrips the population growth of humans, there will be plenty of "empties". Any like minded group could commission one and surf gravity to a new orbit. Would be interesting to see the results after a few generations.


    MANY EARTHS
    Surface area of Earth: 510,072,000 km2 (196,940,000 sq mi), or one “Terrestrial” or Terr.
    . . .
    An “Island Three” O’Neill dual cylinder space habitat has an equivalent of 0.0021 Terrestrials, in surface area. (If subdivided into concentric cylindrical decks)
    . . .
    To reach one Terrestrial, 475 space habitats would need to be constructed. If the production cycle was 20 years per habitat, and each habitat built another, it would only take 9 cycles or 180 years (9 x 20 years).
    If we started building Colony One in 2040 - - - -

    2040: 0
    2060: 1
    2080: 3
    2100: 7
    2120: 15
    2140: 31
    2160: 63
    2180: 127
    2200: 255
    2220: 511 <<1.07 Terrs.
    2240: 1023 <2.14 Terrs.
    2260: 2047 <4.38 Terrs.
    2280: 4095 <8.76 Terrs.
    . . .
    3000: 2.815 e+14 < 5.911 e+11 Terrs (0.591 Trillion Terrs)
    4000: 3.169 e+29 < 1.331 e+27 Terrs (3.169 Octillion Terrs)

    The obvious point is that colonizing space via orbiting habitats is far more efficient and practical than seeking equivalent terrestrial planets, or terraforming planets in our own solar system.

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