Population control and reincarnation: how to reconcile this?

[gazap]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This is a very relevant question in my view, gazap. It is a question I have been asking myself due to the not-so-great reset agenda of depopulation. If this agenda is successful, what happens to souls given that there would be fewer bodies to occupy here on Earth?

It appears to me that it is an individual phenomenon. I can only say what happened on my own linear timeline. [I have not recalled being on any other parallel (or whatever) timelines.] I have recovered the memories of many past lifetimes and soul-trapping experiences that occurred between incarnations, not only vis-a-vis Earth, but way back in the past as well.

As I discovered through my independent research with other abductees including myself, it is possibly different for us than others because we are followed, monitored from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes placed in positions of authority in government, military, secret societies and religions in order to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and confusion about what is really happening here on Earth.

I know some members here on Avalon are well aware of my story so I'm writing this for others as well. I discovered three decades ago via recovered past life memories that I came to this planet for the first time about fifty-five and a half millennia ago. I was a free being in space and I hijacked a ship commanded by a human-looking female that looked like Wonder Woman. This was of course an unethical thing to do as it violates the natural/universal law of not harming others.

After landing the craft on Earth I was soon eaten by Reptilians. I still hung around Earth as a free being and about 15, 300 years ago I was helping a group called the "Telosians" or "Thelosians" to stop the abductions of Earthlings by Grays. However, another group, Mantis, that works with Grays caught up with me about three thousand years later and they captured me as a free being. I have not been free since that time.

Upon my body death in each lifetime since then I am sucked up into a large Mantis mothership via the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel technology. Sometimes they just direct me to a hospital into a baby's body, which is how I ended up in my current body, and other times they force me into a body on the mothership and then transport me down to Earth.

As a side note, I found out that the new agers who believe their channeled entities were wrong that we abductees "agreed" to be abducted. Not true.

On the other hand, some souls hang around here on Earth often occupying a house as a "ghost". I have communicated with a ghost before so I know this is a real phenomenon. So that is why I say we are not all treated the same way.

Now let me backtrack a bit to say that I remember coming to this universe from another much different universe that was more holographic, that is, less dense. We were more transparent as light and did not have bodies, per se. I violated natural law, harmed another being and was sent before judges. They decided to get rid of me so they boxed me up and sent me to this universe. This occurred a very long time ago.

So "soul traps" are real and this is certainly not a new phenomenon. And it boils down to the question of what should beings do with other beings who are violating the natural law of not harming others?

To get to the point of this thread the question on my mind is: Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?

I know this to be a very real possibility and it's not a happy subject to address and wonder about.

But perhaps it is time for all this to come out in the open. Perhaps other benevolent ETs are involved and want to help in a good way to turn things around. I certainly hope this to be the case.

My viewpoint is that the Mantis and their co-conspirators do not have a sustainable solution. Since time immemorial they have been entrapping souls through technology, trickery and lies and they intentionally block our memories so that we cannot learn from lifetime to lifetime. Not a good solution.

Perhaps with the aid of other benevolent beings we can change this destructive paradigm of blocking memories so that we can easily remember our past and thereby learn from it in order to realize the importance of following natural law and not harming others.

Like the prison systems on Earth, which they laughingly call "Correctional Facilities", they do not rehabilitate or correct anything. We as spiritual beings must come up with more positive solutions to this age-old problem.

[I apologize for the length of this post but this is very big subject that must finally be addressed. I briefly covered this subject in THE EYE OF RA, link below, in the chapter entitled "In-Between Lives Implants & Out Of Body Abductions".]

no need to apologise for the lengthy response, I enjoyed reading it and it made for compelling reading.

You accounts sound truly horrifying but it doesn't surprise me. Regarding universal law, is there such a thing? The reason I ask is there seems to be no repercussions for entities who violate it. No one's policing it, so what's the point of a law without repercussions for infringing upon it? If these mantis beings have been doing this for millenia, then why aren't upholders of this law punishing them and aiding us?

lastly, when you say Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed do you mean the death of the body or the actual soul itself? If so then there would not be any more incarnation any time, any where. Although my life has been poor, the though of being non existing scare me even more.

thanks again for your great input

Gaz

[Casey Claar]

Posted by gazap (here)

Posted by Casey Claar (here)

Posted by gazap (here)
Hello community!

So I'm trying to wrap my head around this so bear with me...

From my understanding, there's a strong hypothesis that the globalists want population control. If, (and I do pace emphasis on the if) the soul lives on, and reincarnation is in fact a reality, then what happens to all of those other souls who are now "dead"? Do they linger in the astral? If there is some form of control from these beings of the astral world, and they need their loosh from the World's population, then what use would it be to kill off so many?

I look forward to your replies

I like the question, and what everyone so far is saying.

In a practical sense, in the story of the polarities trying to win control, focusing first on the [ - ] polarity, they are numerically in the minority so at this great time of change taking [ + ] players out of the game gives them an advantage. Even if it is just in the short haul. It takes 'time' once you've been offed from the field to get back into it. So.....(yeah)....it buys them time. This said, I feel it is also the [ + ] polarity that is working toward reducing the global population at the moment. Their focus is of course more fundamentally on the survival of the human race itself all said and done ( we are at the moment potentially in a catastrophe cycle ). Gobal Earth changes, weather, the grid going down. The fewer people not preparing for this on this planet, the better for those who actually are when the competition for resources begins escalating. It may equally be felt kinder to cull in advance those refusing to awaken, than let them face the horrors of what is coming unprepared; extreme weather, no power, no services, no food, fear leading humans into fight/flight, killing, cannibalizing, etc.. Humanity has a better chance of surviving if there are more of those who are awakening ( and preparing ) and fewer of those who are not. I would not want to be at the helm of these decisions and feel deeply for those who are. What an enormous burden to bare. All of this filters down of course, from Source through the higher to lower/ground-level dimension. Our Universal Creator is a loving being *none of what I have just shared is evil. It is equilibrium itself, eternally seeking harmonious balance. I know as humans we often see in a quite different light, but we also have such a limited scope, muddied by fear, judgment, bias and more. Nature and natural cycles may not always ( or even ever ) seem kind, but It is a wonderful Intelligence and Love - gleaning this makes it so much easier to absorb and process.

Just a quick stop back at the basics. Due to the mechanics of equilibrium, eras....any timeframe down here on the planet offers only so many positions on the field *only so many players are allowed at any given time. Currently, heading into the catastrophe, the positions are lessening, so getting taken out makes it that much harder to get back in. And once you do, you are starting again from scratch. It can take decades to regather the awareness and depth you were taken out at. Again, all this buys the [ - ] polarity "time".

So.........DON'T GET TAKEN OUT.

Be attentive and don't break, or even skate the threshold of any rules.

This is a subject in itself. Many of us get taken out due to this. WE cross a line in which retaliation is acceptable.

We have to be smarter.

Am I right in saying that what you believe is that this shedding of sorts is a cycle? And that if humans are to continue on this planet, then a sort of culling is necessary? I can see that but then I've read compelling articles detailing whole overpopulation is a myth, and that given the means, we could all be self-sufficient without feeling the need to be controlled by our 'masters'. It's the lies, deceit, and disempowerment by governments which are to blame. And the big question is why? What's behind the nefarious tactic? To me, it seems obvious that there's a negative et agenda because it makes no sense otherwise.

thanks for your input, its much appreciated
gaz

Hello again, Gaz

The context of good and evil is infinitely small, it is included in all this but alone is not wide enough to see the larger picture.

On the planets we are always moving through cycles, and, yes, at present we are potentially moving through a 'catastrophe cycle', which is the point in a major cycle where it is time to either go up or go down; we do this individually, in clusters, and at times all together as a consensus/collective. It is no different than when in any classroom. There is the portion wherein we are learning, the portion(s) wherein we are tested, and the portion in conclusion wherein we are given the final exam---here we either pass/graduate ( or we don't ). <-- this is where we are, or potentially are. What I would point out is that there is no-one behind a pass or fail save ourself. The test is what it is, to point a finger of blame at the test, no matter how adamant is never going to get any of us anywhere. It is not so much that a culling is necessary, but rather that there are a number of us who are not making the grade and a collective of those who are gives humanity itself a chance to survive. There is no shame in returning new, in a new body with new opportunities. It is not as bad a thing as you might think. And again, in reality there is no-one behind this happening save ourself. The moment you think otherwise is the moment you create and step into that storyline. We have to see at some point what is behind these storylines to see what is founded and what is utterly unfounded. THIS is how we really change things. How we grow beyond where we are now.

You have brought an additional concept into the mix,
so let me say briefly that overpopulation has nothing to do with any of this.

Population/overpopulation is gauged by the depth and quality of human consciousness. How well we live in harmony with our planet. The kinds of technologies we give rise to and how many people these can effectively feed and support. All this is dependent only upon itself. Our current depth and quality, harmony, technologies.....clearly cannot aptly care for the number of people on the planet. The depth/quality/harmony/number of people on the planet require more energy than we can produce with fossil fuels. This breeds competition, fighting for resources, greed and much, much more.

What is the answer? .....it is not to point our finger outward and start a fight.

The answer is always to improve our own depth and quality.

This breeds harmonious living with the planet.

This breeds new more sustainable ideas.

[TrumanCash]

Posted by gazap (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This is a very relevant question in my view, gazap. It is a question I have been asking myself due to the not-so-great reset agenda of depopulation. If this agenda is successful, what happens to souls given that there would be fewer bodies to occupy here on Earth?

It appears to me that it is an individual phenomenon. I can only say what happened on my own linear timeline. [I have not recalled being on any other parallel (or whatever) timelines.] I have recovered the memories of many past lifetimes and soul-trapping experiences that occurred between incarnations, not only vis-a-vis Earth, but way back in the past as well.

As I discovered through my independent research with other abductees including myself, it is possibly different for us than others because we are followed, monitored from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes placed in positions of authority in government, military, secret societies and religions in order to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and confusion about what is really happening here on Earth.

I know some members here on Avalon are well aware of my story so I'm writing this for others as well. I discovered three decades ago via recovered past life memories that I came to this planet for the first time about fifty-five and a half millennia ago. I was a free being in space and I hijacked a ship commanded by a human-looking female that looked like Wonder Woman. This was of course an unethical thing to do as it violates the natural/universal law of not harming others.

After landing the craft on Earth I was soon eaten by Reptilians. I still hung around Earth as a free being and about 15, 300 years ago I was helping a group called the "Telosians" or "Thelosians" to stop the abductions of Earthlings by Grays. However, another group, Mantis, that works with Grays caught up with me about three thousand years later and they captured me as a free being. I have not been free since that time.

Upon my body death in each lifetime since then I am sucked up into a large Mantis mothership via the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel technology. Sometimes they just direct me to a hospital into a baby's body, which is how I ended up in my current body, and other times they force me into a body on the mothership and then transport me down to Earth.

As a side note, I found out that the new agers who believe their channeled entities were wrong that we abductees "agreed" to be abducted. Not true.

On the other hand, some souls hang around here on Earth often occupying a house as a "ghost". I have communicated with a ghost before so I know this is a real phenomenon. So that is why I say we are not all treated the same way.

Now let me backtrack a bit to say that I remember coming to this universe from another much different universe that was more holographic, that is, less dense. We were more transparent as light and did not have bodies, per se. I violated natural law, harmed another being and was sent before judges. They decided to get rid of me so they boxed me up and sent me to this universe. This occurred a very long time ago.

So "soul traps" are real and this is certainly not a new phenomenon. And it boils down to the question of what should beings do with other beings who are violating the natural law of not harming others?

To get to the point of this thread the question on my mind is: Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?

I know this to be a very real possibility and it's not a happy subject to address and wonder about.

But perhaps it is time for all this to come out in the open. Perhaps other benevolent ETs are involved and want to help in a good way to turn things around. I certainly hope this to be the case.

My viewpoint is that the Mantis and their co-conspirators do not have a sustainable solution. Since time immemorial they have been entrapping souls through technology, trickery and lies and they intentionally block our memories so that we cannot learn from lifetime to lifetime. Not a good solution.

Perhaps with the aid of other benevolent beings we can change this destructive paradigm of blocking memories so that we can easily remember our past and thereby learn from it in order to realize the importance of following natural law and not harming others.

Like the prison systems on Earth, which they laughingly call "Correctional Facilities", they do not rehabilitate or correct anything. We as spiritual beings must come up with more positive solutions to this age-old problem.

[I apologize for the length of this post but this is very big subject that must finally be addressed. I briefly covered this subject in THE EYE OF RA, link below, in the chapter entitled "In-Between Lives Implants & Out Of Body Abductions".]

no need to apologise for the lengthy response, I enjoyed reading it and it made for compelling reading.

You accounts sound truly horrifying but it doesn't surprise me. Regarding universal law, is there such a thing? The reason I ask is there seems to be no repercussions for entities who violate it. No one's policing it, so what's the point of a law without repercussions for infringing upon it? If these mantis beings have been doing this for millenia, then why aren't upholders of this law punishing them and aiding us?

lastly, when you say Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed do you mean the death of the body or the actual soul itself? If so then there would not be any more incarnation any time, any where. Although my life has been poor, the though of being non existing scare me even more.

thanks again for your great input

Gaz

Thank you for your comment and question. Regarding natural law being universal law--I don't mention this in the context of policing or punishment as a solution. This is something I have observed through a very long timeline. It's a principle that whenever a being harms another being it creates a negative effect and complexity that may or may not result in punishment. And that punishment usually does not lead to rehabilitation and correction of the problem.

The Mantis solution of capturing souls, then programming them with false religious beliefs and blocking their memories is not rehabilitative. In doing so, they actually cause more harm to us as spiritual beings. They are virtually enslaving us.

On Earth natural law means that no one can sue you or incarcerate you unless you have actually done harm to another or others. If no harm is done, one is free to do as one pleases. This is the principle upon which the US was founded but has been essentially abolished due to political "statutes", "codes" and "regulations" that punish disobedience to a bureaucracy in which no harm is done.

My favorite quote comes from the Honorable Alfred E. Neuman of Mad Magazine fame: "American is that land which fought for freedom then passed laws to get rid of it."

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution addresses this principle as well in prohibiting both "slavery" and "involuntary servitude". Taxes, for example, are a form of involuntary servitude and slavery. Not paying taxes does no harm to sovereign governments since they can create their own currency to cover expenses of government.

Regarding my question: "Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?", I should have used commas to avoid it being misread.

So I will edit that sentence with commas to avoid that misreading. I should have written: "Are the souls of the humans, being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda, somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?"

In other words in that sentence it is the word "humans" that is being modified and not the word "souls". From my own experiences, souls, spirits, beings or whatever word one uses to describe our innate eternal consciousness, cannot be killed. Human bodies, of course, can be killed.

Spiritual beings can be dumbed down, though, to a point where they are not aware that they are a spiritual being.

The abducting ETs refer to us--that is, our physical bodies--as "containers". I think that wording or characterization is very telling. ETs know that we are all spiritual beings. So they have rigged things genetically so that we are more hard-wired into our bodies than they are. They even have the technologically to transfer beings from one body to another different body.

And the Anunnaki, Mantis, Grays, Reptilians and their co-conspirators keep us in spiritual darkness by programming Earth humans with conflicting religious beliefs to keep us divided and fighting with each other. They also directly and intentionally intervene to cause wars and chaos to keep us distracted from discovering the truth of who we are. IMO, this is not a solution to the problem, but a continuation of it.

[Michi]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by gazap (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This is a very relevant question in my view, gazap. It is a question I have been asking myself due to the not-so-great reset agenda of depopulation. If this agenda is successful, what happens to souls given that there would be fewer bodies to occupy here on Earth?

It appears to me that it is an individual phenomenon. I can only say what happened on my own linear timeline. [I have not recalled being on any other parallel (or whatever) timelines.] I have recovered the memories of many past lifetimes and soul-trapping experiences that occurred between incarnations, not only vis-a-vis Earth, but way back in the past as well.

As I discovered through my independent research with other abductees including myself, it is possibly different for us than others because we are followed, monitored from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes placed in positions of authority in government, military, secret societies and religions in order to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and confusion about what is really happening here on Earth.

I know some members here on Avalon are well aware of my story so I'm writing this for others as well. I discovered three decades ago via recovered past life memories that I came to this planet for the first time about fifty-five and a half millennia ago. I was a free being in space and I hijacked a ship commanded by a human-looking female that looked like Wonder Woman. This was of course an unethical thing to do as it violates the natural/universal law of not harming others.

After landing the craft on Earth I was soon eaten by Reptilians. I still hung around Earth as a free being and about 15, 300 years ago I was helping a group called the "Telosians" or "Thelosians" to stop the abductions of Earthlings by Grays. However, another group, Mantis, that works with Grays caught up with me about three thousand years later and they captured me as a free being. I have not been free since that time.

Upon my body death in each lifetime since then I am sucked up into a large Mantis mothership via the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel technology. Sometimes they just direct me to a hospital into a baby's body, which is how I ended up in my current body, and other times they force me into a body on the mothership and then transport me down to Earth.

As a side note, I found out that the new agers who believe their channeled entities were wrong that we abductees "agreed" to be abducted. Not true.

On the other hand, some souls hang around here on Earth often occupying a house as a "ghost". I have communicated with a ghost before so I know this is a real phenomenon. So that is why I say we are not all treated the same way.

Now let me backtrack a bit to say that I remember coming to this universe from another much different universe that was more holographic, that is, less dense. We were more transparent as light and did not have bodies, per se. I violated natural law, harmed another being and was sent before judges. They decided to get rid of me so they boxed me up and sent me to this universe. This occurred a very long time ago.

So "soul traps" are real and this is certainly not a new phenomenon. And it boils down to the question of what should beings do with other beings who are violating the natural law of not harming others?

To get to the point of this thread the question on my mind is: Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?

I know this to be a very real possibility and it's not a happy subject to address and wonder about.

But perhaps it is time for all this to come out in the open. Perhaps other benevolent ETs are involved and want to help in a good way to turn things around. I certainly hope this to be the case.

My viewpoint is that the Mantis and their co-conspirators do not have a sustainable solution. Since time immemorial they have been entrapping souls through technology, trickery and lies and they intentionally block our memories so that we cannot learn from lifetime to lifetime. Not a good solution.

Perhaps with the aid of other benevolent beings we can change this destructive paradigm of blocking memories so that we can easily remember our past and thereby learn from it in order to realize the importance of following natural law and not harming others.

Like the prison systems on Earth, which they laughingly call "Correctional Facilities", they do not rehabilitate or correct anything. We as spiritual beings must come up with more positive solutions to this age-old problem.

[I apologize for the length of this post but this is very big subject that must finally be addressed. I briefly covered this subject in THE EYE OF RA, link below, in the chapter entitled "In-Between Lives Implants & Out Of Body Abductions".]

no need to apologise for the lengthy response, I enjoyed reading it and it made for compelling reading.

You accounts sound truly horrifying but it doesn't surprise me. Regarding universal law, is there such a thing? The reason I ask is there seems to be no repercussions for entities who violate it. No one's policing it, so what's the point of a law without repercussions for infringing upon it? If these mantis beings have been doing this for millenia, then why aren't upholders of this law punishing them and aiding us?

lastly, when you say Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed do you mean the death of the body or the actual soul itself? If so then there would not be any more incarnation any time, any where. Although my life has been poor, the though of being non existing scare me even more.

thanks again for your great input

Gaz

Thank you for your comment and question. Regarding natural law being universal law--I don't mention this in the context of policing or punishment as a solution. This is something I have observed through a very long timeline. It's a principle that whenever a being harms another being it creates a negative effect and complexity that may or may not result in punishment. And that punishment usually does not lead to rehabilitation and correction of the problem.

The Mantis solution of capturing souls, then programming them with false religious beliefs and blocking their memories is not rehabilitative. In doing so, they actually cause more harm to us as spiritual beings. They are virtually enslaving us.

On Earth natural law means that no one can sue you or incarcerate you unless you have actually done harm to another or others. If no harm is done, one is free to do as one pleases. This is the principle upon which the US was founded but has been essentially abolished due to political "statutes", "codes" and "regulations" that punish disobedience to a bureaucracy in which no harm is done.

My favorite quote comes from the Honorable Alfred E. Neuman of Mad Magazine fame: "American is that land which fought for freedom then passed laws to get rid of it."

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution addresses this principle as well in prohibiting both "slavery" and "involuntary servitude". Taxes, for example, are a form of involuntary servitude and slavery. Not paying taxes does no harm to sovereign governments since they can create their own currency to cover expenses of government.

Regarding my question: "Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?", I should have used commas to avoid it being misread.

So I will edit that sentence with commas to avoid that misreading. I should have written: "Are the souls of the humans, being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda, somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?"

In other words in that sentence it is the word "humans" that is being modified and not the word "souls". From my own experiences, souls, spirits, beings or whatever word one uses to describe our innate eternal consciousness, cannot be killed. Human bodies, of course, can be killed.

Spiritual beings can be dumbed down, though, to a point where they are not aware that they are a spiritual being.

The abducting ETs refer to us--that is, our physical bodies--as "containers". I think that wording or characterization is very telling. ETs know that we are all spiritual beings. So they have rigged things genetically so that we are more hard-wired into our bodies than they are. They even have the technologically to transfer beings from one body to another different body.

And the Anunnaki, Mantis, Grays, Reptilians and their co-conspirators keep us in spiritual darkness by programming Earth humans with conflicting religious beliefs to keep us divided and fighting with each other. They also directly and intentionally intervene to cause wars and chaos to keep us distracted from discovering the truth of who we are. IMO, this is not a solution to the problem, but a continuation of it.

The question which remains is aren't the Mantis subject to the universal law like ourselves? Or do they have a free pass?
Could it otherwise be that the observed law work when direct harm is done and not so much when done via minons.
Like Hitler or Schwab causing harm via their minions. At least it looks like that those got/get away with this.

It's certainly an intriguing subject.

[TrumanCash]

Posted by Michi (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by gazap (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This is a very relevant question in my view, gazap. It is a question I have been asking myself due to the not-so-great reset agenda of depopulation. If this agenda is successful, what happens to souls given that there would be fewer bodies to occupy here on Earth?

It appears to me that it is an individual phenomenon. I can only say what happened on my own linear timeline. [I have not recalled being on any other parallel (or whatever) timelines.] I have recovered the memories of many past lifetimes and soul-trapping experiences that occurred between incarnations, not only vis-a-vis Earth, but way back in the past as well.

As I discovered through my independent research with other abductees including myself, it is possibly different for us than others because we are followed, monitored from lifetime to lifetime and sometimes placed in positions of authority in government, military, secret societies and religions in order to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and confusion about what is really happening here on Earth.

I know some members here on Avalon are well aware of my story so I'm writing this for others as well. I discovered three decades ago via recovered past life memories that I came to this planet for the first time about fifty-five and a half millennia ago. I was a free being in space and I hijacked a ship commanded by a human-looking female that looked like Wonder Woman. This was of course an unethical thing to do as it violates the natural/universal law of not harming others.

After landing the craft on Earth I was soon eaten by Reptilians. I still hung around Earth as a free being and about 15, 300 years ago I was helping a group called the "Telosians" or "Thelosians" to stop the abductions of Earthlings by Grays. However, another group, Mantis, that works with Grays caught up with me about three thousand years later and they captured me as a free being. I have not been free since that time.

Upon my body death in each lifetime since then I am sucked up into a large Mantis mothership via the light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel technology. Sometimes they just direct me to a hospital into a baby's body, which is how I ended up in my current body, and other times they force me into a body on the mothership and then transport me down to Earth.

As a side note, I found out that the new agers who believe their channeled entities were wrong that we abductees "agreed" to be abducted. Not true.

On the other hand, some souls hang around here on Earth often occupying a house as a "ghost". I have communicated with a ghost before so I know this is a real phenomenon. So that is why I say we are not all treated the same way.

Now let me backtrack a bit to say that I remember coming to this universe from another much different universe that was more holographic, that is, less dense. We were more transparent as light and did not have bodies, per se. I violated natural law, harmed another being and was sent before judges. They decided to get rid of me so they boxed me up and sent me to this universe. This occurred a very long time ago.

So "soul traps" are real and this is certainly not a new phenomenon. And it boils down to the question of what should beings do with other beings who are violating the natural law of not harming others?

To get to the point of this thread the question on my mind is: Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?

I know this to be a very real possibility and it's not a happy subject to address and wonder about.

But perhaps it is time for all this to come out in the open. Perhaps other benevolent ETs are involved and want to help in a good way to turn things around. I certainly hope this to be the case.

My viewpoint is that the Mantis and their co-conspirators do not have a sustainable solution. Since time immemorial they have been entrapping souls through technology, trickery and lies and they intentionally block our memories so that we cannot learn from lifetime to lifetime. Not a good solution.

Perhaps with the aid of other benevolent beings we can change this destructive paradigm of blocking memories so that we can easily remember our past and thereby learn from it in order to realize the importance of following natural law and not harming others.

Like the prison systems on Earth, which they laughingly call "Correctional Facilities", they do not rehabilitate or correct anything. We as spiritual beings must come up with more positive solutions to this age-old problem.

[I apologize for the length of this post but this is very big subject that must finally be addressed. I briefly covered this subject in THE EYE OF RA, link below, in the chapter entitled "In-Between Lives Implants & Out Of Body Abductions".]

no need to apologise for the lengthy response, I enjoyed reading it and it made for compelling reading.

You accounts sound truly horrifying but it doesn't surprise me. Regarding universal law, is there such a thing? The reason I ask is there seems to be no repercussions for entities who violate it. No one's policing it, so what's the point of a law without repercussions for infringing upon it? If these mantis beings have been doing this for millenia, then why aren't upholders of this law punishing them and aiding us?

lastly, when you say Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed do you mean the death of the body or the actual soul itself? If so then there would not be any more incarnation any time, any where. Although my life has been poor, the though of being non existing scare me even more.

thanks again for your great input

Gaz

Thank you for your comment and question. Regarding natural law being universal law--I don't mention this in the context of policing or punishment as a solution. This is something I have observed through a very long timeline. It's a principle that whenever a being harms another being it creates a negative effect and complexity that may or may not result in punishment. And that punishment usually does not lead to rehabilitation and correction of the problem.

The Mantis solution of capturing souls, then programming them with false religious beliefs and blocking their memories is not rehabilitative. In doing so, they actually cause more harm to us as spiritual beings. They are virtually enslaving us.

On Earth natural law means that no one can sue you or incarcerate you unless you have actually done harm to another or others. If no harm is done, one is free to do as one pleases. This is the principle upon which the US was founded but has been essentially abolished due to political "statutes", "codes" and "regulations" that punish disobedience to a bureaucracy in which no harm is done.

My favorite quote comes from the Honorable Alfred E. Neuman of Mad Magazine fame: "American is that land which fought for freedom then passed laws to get rid of it."

The 13th Amendment to the Constitution addresses this principle as well in prohibiting both "slavery" and "involuntary servitude". Taxes, for example, are a form of involuntary servitude and slavery. Not paying taxes does no harm to sovereign governments since they can create their own currency to cover expenses of government.

Regarding my question: "Are the souls of the humans being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?", I should have used commas to avoid it being misread.

So I will edit that sentence with commas to avoid that misreading. I should have written: "Are the souls of the humans, being intentionally killed via this depopulation agenda, somehow packaged up and shoved out of sight under the cosmic rug, as it were, as has been done before?"

In other words in that sentence it is the word "humans" that is being modified and not the word "souls". From my own experiences, souls, spirits, beings or whatever word one uses to describe our innate eternal consciousness, cannot be killed. Human bodies, of course, can be killed.

Spiritual beings can be dumbed down, though, to a point where they are not aware that they are a spiritual being.

The abducting ETs refer to us--that is, our physical bodies--as "containers". I think that wording or characterization is very telling. ETs know that we are all spiritual beings. So they have rigged things genetically so that we are more hard-wired into our bodies than they are. They even have the technologically to transfer beings from one body to another different body.

And the Anunnaki, Mantis, Grays, Reptilians and their co-conspirators keep us in spiritual darkness by programming Earth humans with conflicting religious beliefs to keep us divided and fighting with each other. They also directly and intentionally intervene to cause wars and chaos to keep us distracted from discovering the truth of who we are. IMO, this is not a solution to the problem, but a continuation of it.

The question which remains is aren't the Mantis subject to the universal law like ourselves? Or do they have a free pass?
Could it otherwise be that the observed law work when direct harm is done and not so much when done via minons.
Like Hitler or Schwab causing harm via their minions. At least it looks like that those got/get away with this.

It's certainly an intriguing subject.

Hi, Michi. When I say "Universal Law" I mean it is a principle that does not enforce itself. That is, it's not what some people think that karma is. However, beings--both off and on this planet--often try enforce it but they do so badly as not to correct the situation.

Free beings can be very powerful and they have throughout time violated this universal principle by harming others. And this has indeed backfired on free beings.

The Mantis solution to this problem does not solve the problem. They stick us in bodies that limit our abilities and then dumb us down in order to disempower us. They block our memories so we don't know who we are as god-like beings. When one does extensive past life work, the between-lives area opens up and then one can get a more solid understanding on this.

The Mantis ETs work very closely with the Anunnaki who create false religions where they say they are the "gods" and that we must just worship and obey them. Sometimes they push the idea that there is only one "God". It keeps many Earth humans in a mind control prison of beliefs that keeps most people from seeking the truth about who we are as beings. By creating conflicting religious beliefs it keeps people separated with this Anunnaki divide-and-conquer dialectic that results in endless wars and chaos.

I found out about the Mantis-Anunnaki collusion when I recovered the memories of my life in Egypt when I died and I was sucked up into the Mantis mothership (light at the end of tunnel technology). I was then forced into a body and then "flown" down to the Great Pyramid where I was then made the high priest and had to perform these horrendous satanic, human-sacrificing, blood-drinking rituals around the sarcophagus. These rituals were overseen by the Anunnaki in their "eye" (i.e. flying saucer) which was literally right above the Great Pyramid.

What was even more surprising to me was that the Mantis craft that acted as the shuttle between the Mantis mothership and the Great Pyramid were the same model of ship as what the Anunnaki "god" Ra used. On the inside the ship looked like a theater-in-the-round with seven levels of circular "bleachers" with a black and white checkered floor. There was one pole in the middle from the floor to the top of the craft. The only difference between Ra's ship and the Mantis shuttle craft was that Ra, his throne and serpent staff were on the ship complete with Masonic Sun God symbols.

However, the Anunnaki ship that hovered over the Great Pyramid in the human sacrifice rituals was larger and different than Ra's ship. This was Ptaah's ship. Ptaah was (allegedly) the father "god" while Ra was the Son/Sun of god.

When I was the initiate in the ritual at one point I was lying on the lid of the sarcophagus and I and the lid were floated up through the top of the pyramid and into Ptaah's ship. That's when Ptaah ordered me to go fight the Hittities and he threatened to destroy all of Egypt if we didn't go fight the Hittites. This is how they manipulate us Earthlings.

I've gone way, way back on the timeline and Mantis (with somewhat varying body types) have been capturing free beings since time immemorial. At first they couldn't stick me in a body but later on down the timeline they were able to force me into a body. I don't know what changed along the way that made this possible. At any rate it all boils down to technology.

I think the Reptilian agenda is also an influence to this matrix of entrapment and secrecy judging by all the serpent symbols the Anunnaki use. And of course the Grays play their part as well.

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• 7-Year-Old Says He Was in 9/11 Plane Crash - "The Ghost" Inside My Child

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JVBSiyVElbU

[chris_walker]

Since around 18% of people who are resuscitated have a NDE, I would theorise around 82% of people are empty portals, soulless non-player characters (NPCs). The real figure could even be higher. So earth's population is about 1.6 billion.

[Blastolabs]

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Posted by gazap (here)

Thank you for your reply Bill, however, it doesn't quite answer the question from the perspective of earth being a 'soul trap'. If that is the case, then there's no other option other than to reincarnate on Earth.

All I can really say here is that the idea of Earth being a 'soul trap' has never been real to me, and based on what I feel I know and understand I personally don't buy that notion at all.

A soul trap made by you and me to learn perhaps?

Kidding aside, I agree, earth can be a prison if you want it to be, or it can be paradise.

We've already played infinite versions of this game in the past and will play infinite more lives in the future, therefore things need to keep getting more complicated or else we will get bored.

[ozmirage]

On the material level, life is an endless struggle against extinction by a hostile inanimate universe. And the goal of life is more abundant life. So the "Elites" seeking to reduce / limit population are contrary to life. (duh)
And to have more abundant life, one must amplify the life bearing volume, on the Earth and in the heavens.
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Metaphysically speaking, water filled meat bags (hooomans) have an important function - by virtue of our ability to test our environment and learn new things. In the other realm, everything that is known is known. You really can't experiment / test. And evolved beings do not dare think evil / destructive thoughts, since thoughts manifest. Whereas our mortal frames allow us to try different things and evolve. I suspect that everything "known" on the other side is derived from what "we" learned / discovered. Which may explain why ancient sages were told nonsense by spirit- because at that "now" only nonsense was known.

Imagine trying to explain the fabrication and operation of a metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistor using a self aligning polysilicon gate (a transistor manufacturing feature whereby a refractory gate electrode region of a MOSFET transistor is used as a mask for the doping of the source and drain regions) on a diffusion layer (created by literally pushing atoms into a solid surface) of p or n doping to create a logic circuit in a central processing unit in a personal computer that creates a tiny machine of 9 billion switches that can be programmed to do interesting stuff, like virtual reality, to a camel herder in 1425 B.C.? Is it really the fault of the scribes when nonsense is enshrined into the dogma of many a religion?