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    Elon is a scammer.

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    John, generally I agree with the threads you post but not this one:

    This video provides a wonderful roadmap showing what has happened to the USA and what continues to happen. People have been indoctrinated in their schools not to discuss the merits or pitfalls of capitalism but to attack and condemn it at every opportunity. I find this video moronic, they admit right up front that they want to "plant some seeds of doubt" in people about Elon Musk. They obviously don't believe people are capable of thinking for themselves or more accurately they don't want people to put in the time or make the effort to think, so the message is.............. watch our video and you have all the facts you need. It is also sad to see that they are attempting to dim and blur the bright lines between conservatism, liberalism, and libertarianism.

    Elon Musk was the darling of the left until he bought twitter, then they turned on him with a passion. The message of the left no longer works if free speech is allowed. That is easily and clearly understood when you consider that vaccinations would have never been so widely distributed if free speech had been allowed prior to, during, and even after the covid pandemic. Two other high-profile billionaires people like to talk about are Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. These guys in the video are the poster boys for cognitive dissonance. They have been convinced that wealth is a bad thing unless these billionaires like Gates and Bezos venerate themselves at the altar of climate or pray at the shrine of government control. Once Bezos and Gates became conductors on the anti-Trump train they were not only tolerated they were anointed to high priest status.



    Just like Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk was a great guy as long as people did not know what side of the political spectrum he was on, once it was revealed that they were conservative the progressive left and the media (one and the same) activist have done everything in their power to destroy them.
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    Just like Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk was a great guy as long as people did not know what side of the political spectrum he was on, once it was revealed that they were conservative the progressive left and the media (one and the same) activist have done everything in their power to destroy them.
    There's more than the political spectrum, there's the globalist spectrum which typically has the same intersect as the covid narrative spectrum, Ukraine spectrum and the other usual suspects. The latter is a more useful spectrum but the former has become a bit of a joke at best and a distracting frame of reference at worst.

    Peterson couldn't resist mouthing off, high off his own self-importance, about the vaccination using his celebrity to push his ill informed opinion. He figured it out far too late. Just another warning against hero worship that borders on homo-erotic. He's only good for his field of speciality. For what it's worth my opinion is that Peterson was acting in good faith, but following Peterson's outside his specialised area might get you killed [if you took the vaccination]. I digress but then the bloke has the ignorance to have a pop at people who post anonymously. He should have posted his vaccination opinion anonymously, it's not like that was his specialised subject or anything. Don't elevate Peterson to father figure status no matter how hard he wants it.

    Elon is a different class on the globalist spectrum. After using his industry collateral to help manufacture vaccinations, and only after the narrative starts collapsing then he starts doing the right things to become the hero saviour.

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    Just like Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk was a great guy as long as people did not know what side of the political spectrum he was on, once it was revealed that they were conservative the progressive left and the media (one and the same) activist have done everything in their power to destroy them.
    There's more than the political spectrum,
    I don't think it is any more complicated than political ideology. I am talking about Democrats and Republicans.

    Being Liberal does not make one a Democrat
    Being Conservative does not make one a Republican


    The problem is that both political ideologies (Republican and Democrat) in the USA are abominable. Both parties stand for globalism, both parties (for the most part) favored vaccinations, and both parties condone open borders. Both parties (mostly) support the Russian war with Ukraine. The problem is the political activist media, they have chosen sides and are colluding on a grand scale with globalists and Democrats (not liberals). The media intentionally destroy conservatives in their lust to destroy Republicans. The majority of the Democrats (I believe) are devoid of critical thinking so they do exactly what the mainstream media tells them to do. They have been told that Elon Musk is evil so they regurgitate that sentiment. The same holds true for Peterson. This video is comprised of men and one woman heaving backup ideology acquired in school or by watching the media (probably both). I have no doubt that if they were confronted with this fact they would deny it all day long.

    Peterson and Musk did not genuflect on the religion of climate change. They refuse to pay alms to the church of gender. They said no to joining the cult. These are all things that are generally done by conservatives, not necessarily Republicans. My take on both Musk and Peterson is that they are their own men, they are both conservative men. They do not fit into the Republican mold like most partyline Republicans.

    I believe that both of these men are conservative NOT Republicans. They critically think and this is a very dangerous thing to the Democrats, globalists, and the mainstream media.

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    Quote Posted by Matthew (here)
    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
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    Just like Jordan Peterson, Elon Musk was a great guy as long as people did not know what side of the political spectrum he was on, once it was revealed that they were conservative the progressive left and the media (one and the same) activist have done everything in their power to destroy them.
    There's more than the political spectrum,
    I don't think it is any more complicated than political ideology. I am talking about Democrats and Republicans.
    ...

    I believe that both of these men are conservative NOT Republicans. They critically think and this is a very dangerous thing to the Democrats, globalists, and the mainstream media.
    I'm not opposed to that point of view it healed my eyes reading it thanks for the time and effort. I wholeheartedly agree with your closing statement. I expressed the same with a cynical twist "doing the right things to become the hero saviour.", and while this is a thread starring Elon cynicism I think your framing is more useful for the battle we are currently waging, and my framing might possibly be useful for a 'dump the leader if we have to' contingency.

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    Any framing done by anyone can have its flaws (even me) ... Why? ... Because nobody is "all knowing" ... Some act (behave) if things are already set in stone ... I wonder where this really comes from ... And I do mean this in a compassionate way.
    • The above insight is very similar with another statement I often use:
    Any generalization for or against will not do justice to the full spectrum of the truth ... and is serving no one except own's agenda or (often limited) views.

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    ELON MUSK, IN HIS OWN WORDS, WHEN ASKED TO ACCEPT JESUS AS HIS PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.

    Musk says "I believe in the God of Spinoza." Baruch Spinoza was a pagan Babylonian Radhanite merchant-banker in Amsterdam (1632-1677), and radical Sephardic Jew with a 39-page Wikipedia currently.

    Nonetheless, Musk also says that as a little baby being baptized in the Church of England, he questioned ("what the hell?") the Sacrament of Holy Communion. What little baby is self-aware enough to have such a life question? Or, were we hearing Elon's demon speaking? Remember, the Babylonians worship Moloch and Ba'al that feeds on child sacrifice, and has done for millenia. Jesus Christ, in his death, burial and resurrection was destroying that pagan Babylonian practice of human sacrifice.
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    ELON MUSK, IN HIS OWN WORDS, WHEN ASKED TO ACCEPT JESUS AS HIS PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.

    Musk says "I believe in the God of Spinoza." Baruch Spinoza was a pagan Babylonian Radhanite merchant-banker in Amsterdam (1632-1677), and radical Sephardic Jew with a 39-page Wikipedia currently.

    Nonetheless, Musk also says that as a little baby being baptized in the Church of England, he questioned ("what the hell?") the Sacrament of Holy Communion. What little baby is self-aware enough to have such a life question? Or, were we hearing Elon's demon speaking? Remember, the Babylonians worship Moloch and Ba'al that feeds on child sacrifice, and has done for millenia. Jesus Christ, in his death, burial and resurrection was destroying that pagan Babylonian practice of human sacrifice.

    Or he was trolling people and/or being sarcastic ... that is why I need to see the full context first to see what he really said and in what way ... what was said leading up to that and what did he say afterward?
    • This is not to blindly defend Elon, but I do this with everybody quoting others.
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    ELON MUSK, IN HIS OWN WORDS, WHEN ASKED TO ACCEPT JESUS AS HIS PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.

    Musk says "I believe in the God of Spinoza." Baruch Spinoza was a pagan Babylonian Radhanite merchant-banker in Amsterdam (1632-1677), and radical Sephardic Jew with a 39-page Wikipedia currently.

    Nonetheless, Musk also says that as a little baby being baptized in the Church of England, he questioned ("what the hell?") the Sacrament of Holy Communion. What little baby is self-aware enough to have such a life question? Or, were we hearing Elon's demon speaking? Remember, the Babylonians worship Moloch and Ba'al that feeds on child sacrifice, and has done for millenia. Jesus Christ, in his death, burial and resurrection was destroying that pagan Babylonian practice of human sacrifice.

    Or he was trolling people and/or being sarcastic ... that is why I need to see the full context first to see what he really said and in what way ... what was said leading up to that and what did he say afterward?
    • This is not to blindly defend Elon, but I do this with everybody quoting others.
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    .

    I loved it when he walked into Twitter Headquarters carrying that sink... a touch of eccentric genius that took everyone by surprise brilliant...


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    Sorry,i dont get it,is it wrong that Elon Musk is respecting Jesus Christ as a messenger from "God"(in stead of the 'son of God)??To see Jesus as a prophet of truth is not ok??And is it 'wrong' that he believes in the 'God of Spinosa'?I must read you guys wrong,because that cannot be the argument of a critical thinker...

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    ELON MUSK, IN HIS OWN WORDS, WHEN ASKED TO ACCEPT JESUS AS HIS PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.

    Musk says "I believe in the God of Spinoza." Baruch Spinoza was a pagan Babylonian Radhanite merchant-banker in Amsterdam (1632-1677), and radical Sephardic Jew with a 39-page Wikipedia currently.

    Nonetheless, Musk also says that as a little baby being baptized in the Church of England, he questioned ("what the hell?") the Sacrament of Holy Communion. What little baby is self-aware enough to have such a life question? Or, were we hearing Elon's demon speaking? Remember, the Babylonians worship Moloch and Ba'al that feeds on child sacrifice, and has done for millenia. Jesus Christ, in his death, burial and resurrection was destroying that pagan Babylonian practice of human sacrifice.

    Or he was trolling people and/or being sarcastic ... that is why I need to see the full context first to see what he really said and in what way ... what was said leading up to that and what did he say afterward?

    • This is not to blindly defend Elon, but I do this with everybody quoting others.

    Musk says "I believe in the God of Spinoza." vs what Musk really said: "As Einstein would say: 'I believe in the God of Spinoza' " <<< if that suppose to be 100% "evidence" Elon "must" be evil ... is quite a jump ... In other words, are all Jews Evil now? ... The road to generalizations is endless.

    I sincerely wonder how many (fanatic) Christians are members of Project Avalon Forum that assumes anyone who is not a "true follower"of Jesus Christ "must" be evil somehow.
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    I sincerely wonder how many (fanatic) Christians are members of Project Avalon Forum that assumes anyone who is not a "true follower"of Jesus Christ "must" be evil somehow.
    As a fanatic cultist Christian I'm pleased to share that I don't believe non-true-followers must be evil but I am sad that they don't want to share what feels like the big spiritual lottery win. But I trust Gods plan for everyone, the majority of which has nothing to do with me, yet projection is rife in the human condition. We wander round as a blind images of God but not God. Personally I find this very confusing but I take each day at a time.

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    First of all im a little wondering this is the avalon forum right?

    Who is Nr.1 listed on the forbes list right now? Mr Elon Musk , can i remind everyone here who creates that list in first place? If you arent part of the "Club" your name will never appear on that list.

    Elon was prepared since he is a little child to lead humanity towards AI, he is the new version of bill gates if you want to call it like this, Elon will lead the new world order into a new paradigm and the sheep are to blind to see.

    Wake Up ...
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I heard a brilliantly astute opinion about Musk today, by niish.

    "If you could hold up what Musk is doing to the mass mind, to a mirror, and look at the mirror image of it instead, it would look like gaslighting".
    Interesting quote, norman.

    When meditating on the state of things, in general, 'gaslighting' was the first to formulate. Such an insidious device that works against the social progression of society.
    Knock Knock

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    Whilst there's a fair probability that Musk is gas gaslighting, and in a hugely twisted manner, it doesn't make rational sense to me that he (as part of the cabal), would allow the reopening of the worlds only global free speech arena. Too big a spanner in the works for the agenda.

    I still can't figure out the guy, but maybe that's a good thing, as we are long past the point of there being much use in labelling everything in this matrix as either good or bad.

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    Quote Posted by Ben (here)
    Whilst there's a fair probability that Musk is gas gaslighting, and in a hugely twisted manner, it doesn't make rational sense to me that he (as part of the cabal), would allow the reopening of the worlds only global free speech arena. Too big a spanner in the works for the agenda.

    I still can't figure out the guy, but maybe that's a good thing, as we are long past the point of there being much use in labelling everything in this matrix as either good or bad.
    if you really belive that twitter is a free speech platform then their agenda works quite well, they changed the filter and its still highly censored ( why isnt david icke allowed on twitter?), musk is just another puppet master and sometimes you change the puppets that does not mean that „they“ are losing any control.

    my strong belive is that musk will be the steve jobs / bill gates in the last chapter of enslaving the willing sheep into the AI hive mind new world order, this guy will be on mars one day no doubt.

    the creepy thing about musk is, it appears as they want to make him popular, a guy the sheep love because he cares about the sheeple
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    Here is one of many evidences that Elon Musk is a scammer.

    Source: https://www.reuters.com/technology/t...es-2023-01-17/

    Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer testifies

    Jan 17 (Reuters) - A 2016 video that Tesla (TSLA.O) used to promote its self-driving technology was staged to show capabilities like stopping at a red light and accelerating at a green light that the system did not have, according to testimony by a senior engineer.

    The video, which remains archived on Tesla’s website, was released in October 2016 and promoted on Twitter by Chief Executive Elon Musk as evidence that “Tesla drives itself.”

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    But the Model X was not driving itself with technology Tesla had deployed, Ashok Elluswamy, director of Autopilot software at Tesla, said in the transcript of a July deposition taken as evidence in a lawsuit against Tesla for a 2018 fatal crash involving a former Apple (AAPL.O) engineer.

    The previously unreported testimony by Elluswamy represents the first time a Tesla employee has confirmed and detailed how the video was produced.

    The video carries a tagline saying: “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.”

    Elluswamy said Tesla’s Autopilot team set out to engineer and record a “demonstration of the system’s capabilities” at the request of Musk.

    Elluswamy, Musk and Tesla did not respond to a request for comment. However, the company has warned drivers that they must keep their hands on the wheel and maintain control of their vehicles while using Autopilot.

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    The Tesla technology is designed to assist with steering, braking, speed and lane changes but its features “do not make the vehicle autonomous,” the company says on its website.

    To create the video, the Tesla used 3D mapping on a predetermined route from a house in Menlo Park, California, to Tesla’s then-headquarters in Palo Alto, he said.

    Drivers intervened to take control in test runs, he said. When trying to show the Model X could park itself with no driver, a test car crashed into a fence in Tesla’s parking lot, he said.

    “The intent of the video was not to accurately portray what was available for customers in 2016. It was to portray what was possible to build into the system,” Elluswamy said, according to a transcript of his testimony seen by Reuters.

    When Tesla released the video, Musk tweeted, “Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets, then finds a parking spot.”

    Tesla faces lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny over its driver assistance systems.

    The U.S. Department of Justice began a criminal investigation into Tesla’s claims that its electric vehicles can drive themselves in 2021, after a number of crashes, some of them fatal, involving Autopilot, Reuters has reported.

    The New York Times reported in 2021 that Tesla engineers had created the 2016 video to promote Autopilot without disclosing that the route had been mapped in advance or that a car had crashed in trying to complete the shoot, citing anonymous sources.

    When asked if the 2016 video showed the performance of the Tesla Autopilot system available in a production car at the time, Elluswamy said, "It does not."

    Elluswamy was deposed in a lawsuit against Tesla over a 2018 crash in Mountain View, California, that killed Apple engineer Walter Huang.

    Andrew McDevitt, the lawyer who represents Huang’s wife and who questioned Elluswamy’s in July, told Reuters it was “obviously misleading to feature that video without any disclaimer or asterisk.”

    The National Transportation Safety Board concluded in 2020 that Huang’s fatal crash was likely caused by his distraction and the limitations of Autopilot. It said Tesla’s “ineffective monitoring of driver engagement” had contributed to the crash.

    Elluswamy said drivers could “fool the system,” making a Tesla system believe that they were paying attention based on feedback from the steering wheel when they were not. But he said he saw no safety issue with Autopilot if drivers were paying attention.
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    Default Re: Musk is not the answer

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    Here is one of many evidences that Elon Musk is a scammer.

    Source: https://www.reuters.com/technology/t...es-2023-01-17/

    Tesla video promoting self-driving was staged, engineer testifies

    Jan 17 (Reuters) - A 2016 video that Tesla (TSLA.O) used to promote its self-driving technology was staged to show capabilities like stopping at a red light and accelerating at a green light that the system did not have, according to testimony by a senior engineer.
    With all due respect to your ideas of justice, I would cut the man some slack here. He is a player, and a strong one, and it seems to me that players have to be somewhat slippery. If in fact what the ‘witness’ said is true, and iirc this was in the early advertising, well his cars have been doing those same functions for years now. Perhaps his team were 99.9% sure that they had it in the bag, and the astute business move was to announce it.

    I don’t agree with the system-moniker “Auto-Pilot”, bound to fool folks who have no idea how an actual aircraft auto pilot works. Even the actual system, that lets dummies sleep on down freeways, that toy is ridiculous.

    Not a fan, but in some aspects am an admirer. As long as he doesn’t go all Gengis Khan and seed two thirds of the world’s bloodlines. ~8O
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    Whilst there's a fair probability that Musk is gas gaslighting, and in a hugely twisted manner, it doesn't make rational sense to me that he (as part of the cabal), would allow the reopening of the worlds only global free speech arena. Too big a spanner in the works for the agenda.

    I still can't figure out the guy, but maybe that's a good thing, as we are long past the point of there being much use in labelling everything in this matrix as either good or bad.
    if you really belive that twitter is a free speech platform then their agenda works quite well, they changed the filter and its still highly censored ( why isnt david icke allowed on twitter?), musk is just another puppet master and sometimes you change the puppets that does not mean that „they“ are losing any control.

    my strong belive is that musk will be the steve jobs / bill gates in the last chapter of enslaving the willing sheep into the AI hive mind new world order, this guy will be on mars one day no doubt.

    the creepy thing about musk is, it appears as they want to make him popular, a guy the sheep love because he cares about the sheeple
    The public face of "the global agenda" is in the middle of a revolution, itself. It's not, ultimately, the agenda of the people we see and commonly identify it with. The Schwabs and the Gates' etc. They are underlings to the real master of the agenda.

    And here's the thing that needs to be understood about that master of the agenda, he/it is hell bent (literally) on becoming a god of "light" eventually. The work to achieve that is crafty and unrelenting. To that end, it's a process of throwing the legacy dark bunch under the bus ( they are the people I think Ben is referring to when he says 'why would they tolerate Musk's exposure of them' ). The fact is, it's not their call at the end of the day, they have been used and abused too.

    At this point in the proceeding, Musk is a pretty good poster boy for "man is his own god". He's not on his own tho, there are others, and poster girls too.

    A dead giveaway that a public figure 'good guy' is driving the 'man is his own god' train along, is a distinct lack of spiritual humility. Being slippery about getting worldly stuff done to out trick a worldly opponent is one thing, but being slippery to out trick 'god', is quite another. Musk's reply to that question in the video I posted above was as slippery as it gets, in that regard.

    I anticipate, sadly, that the so called truther community is going to split between the ones who get on the 'man is his own god' train, and those who stick solidly with spiritual humility and faith.

    The 'man is his own god' train is the one that takes us to the work camp that will build the stage the Antichrist will walk out onto eventually. I don't know exactly what that will look like but I'll know it when I see it, or rather I would, if I was still around to see it. I doubt I will be.
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