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    I'll experiment a little more with this, via friends, but after asking ChatGPI to respond to the prompt: "Solar Warden", all I remember my friend receiving was what sounded like a Wikipedia/Google/Siri moderated response, that is, a heavily monitored un-insightful immediate 'answer' that felt as if it was an 'approved' version/description, not the real deal as we understand it to be. So.

    Not a fan. A quick capsule review: an Orwellian dystopian sanctioned piece of mind control that quashes creative imagination; it's pretty much the antithesis of that which makes us quizzical and creative as humans and should be discouraged and starved of input.

    Disengage.
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    I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

    But if I did.

    I'd ask it to write me the perfect instruction manual for everyday folks to overthrow the evil parasitic rulers of this planet.

    At the very least I'd expect a good giggle or two from the resulting text.

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    I totally agree to what you say about repeating approved information, but what makes it so „special“ is when it comes to creativity or problem solution aspects, it can solve problems in javascript that you would need several hours or even days for, in a few seconds and that is quite impressive
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    I'll experiment a little more with this, via friends, but after asking ChatGPI to respond to the prompt: "Solar Warden", all I remember my friend receiving was what sounded like a Wikipedia/Google/Siri moderated response, that is, a heavily monitored un-insightful immediate 'answer' that felt as if it was an 'approved' version/description, not the real deal as we understand it to be. So.

    Not a fan. A quick capsule review: an Orwellian dystopian sanctioned piece of mind control that quashes creative imagination; it's pretty much the antithesis of that which makes us quizzical and creative as humans and should be discouraged and starved of input.

    Disengage.
    My thoughts exactly. We must not feed this.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    I'll experiment a little more with this, via friends, but after asking ChatGPI to respond to the prompt: "Solar Warden", all I remember my friend receiving was what sounded like a Wikipedia/Google/Siri moderated response, that is, a heavily monitored un-insightful immediate 'answer' that felt as if it was an 'approved' version/description, not the real deal as we understand it to be. So.

    Not a fan. A quick capsule review: an Orwellian dystopian sanctioned piece of mind control that quashes creative imagination; it's pretty much the antithesis of that which makes us quizzical and creative as humans and should be discouraged and starved of input.

    Disengage.
    My thoughts exactly. We must not feed this.
    Making it chat about illogically taboo topics will reveal that's it's not really AI.
    The only place a perfect right angle ever CAN be, is the mind.

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    I'll experiment a little more with this, via friends, but after asking ChatGPI to respond to the prompt: "Solar Warden", all I remember my friend receiving was what sounded like a Wikipedia/Google/Siri moderated response, that is, a heavily monitored un-insightful immediate 'answer' that felt as if it was an 'approved' version/description, not the real deal as we understand it to be. So.

    Not a fan. A quick capsule review: an Orwellian dystopian sanctioned piece of mind control that quashes creative imagination; it's pretty much the antithesis of that which makes us quizzical and creative as humans and should be discouraged and starved of input.

    Disengage.
    My thoughts exactly. We must not feed this.
    I know I definitely will not go anywhere near that thing, not even for amusement.

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    what does this mean? and wht of the same with music? now we have art and music imitating humans not from humans. where does this leave humans?
    Thank you Doug. Your question echoes what I thought about the same subject after watching Jordan Peterson talking about qualitative essays being written by the AI device.

    Just yesterday evening I discussed the topic with a friend in my neighbourhood who uses his mastery as a blacksmith to create objects both use- and beautiful. I shared with him my theory about meaning: basically stating that we can circumscribe the concept of authenticity as the presence of meaning with the author of a written piece. When I write a poem or a post a legitimate reader question is: "what did you mean by it?", and then I elaborate on the post or the poem. Essential here is to see that the "I" can be verified as a body with a soul and a spirit (in any order). I can write a convoluted essay and then explain what I meant by it by issuing another convoluted essay. Or I can imitate a Charlie Chaplin sketch and then I can explain what I meant by it saying that I wanted to make fun of Charlie Chaplin making fun of etc.

    The question to be asked to the machine issuing the essay is: "what did you mean by it?" It would have to be answered truthfully by the sentence: "I meant to make you believe that this was meant by a human" but that reply would probably be censored by the machine (in the same way that certain messages are censored now on accepted media etc.).

    What this will lead to (and that holds also for painting, music etc.) is that the whole world of artistic creation will "return to" the witnessed act of creation. That a painting you have made will be authentifiable as your painting will only be guaranteed by witnesses who attended your painting it. Or of me myself writing a poem. Certainly signatures, handwriting etc. may still be for some time remain unique, as digital fingerprints or irises are – but the very essence of AI will lead to its being able to imitate these authentifiers with such exactness that it will not itself be able to discover that it has been faked by itself.

    (As an anecdote: a friend of mine was and is a specialist and collector of original photographic editions (made by photographers in the 50s, more specifically) and he explained to me how the market was being distorted by the fact that experts like himself were no longer able to distinguish the real photographs (and books!) from the faked ones, so that authentification statements were issued for fake ones. You yourself will certainly have heard of or come across fake Vasarelys made by Vasarely machines (good for Vasarely, whom I consider 99 p.c. over-rated).)

    So it will all boil down to belief. People will sit in my study while I read a poem and pass to them the manuscripts. You will organise painting sessions in the presence of friends and you will playfully put a dot of paint on a friend’s nose (like Pasolini does in the role of Giotto in his Canterbury Tales). That "means" that we will be witnessed by witnesses in the act of being our authentic selves and those witnesses will trust us. “We trust you to mean what you mean.” Robots will come but we will not trust them. Clones will come but they will not replace the originals.

    Authenticity of creation will be recognised by humans who are in the creation – who will have honed their capacity of leading their lives guided by what they have and are and what will never be imitated by a machine that is just a simulation.

    When Heidegger discusses the nature of a hammer in his essay on the work of art (“Was ist ein Kunstwerk?”) he talks in this way about the difference between a hammer and an arm and hand.

    We remain the creators of the tools, and art is creating the tool that shows us to be the creator.

    It is the anti-AI machine.
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    • ChatGPT: Grading Artificial Intelligence's Writing:

    OpenAI's artificial intelligence writing program ChatGPT will, with a few prompts, compose poetry, prose, song lyrics, essays, even news articles. And that has ethicists and educators worried about the program's ease at replacing human ideas with chatbot-generated words. Correspondent David Pogue delves into the minefield of A.I. communications and what it might mean for homework.
    • In above video 6:37 they also discuss the successor of current widely used "ChatGPT 3.0" called "ChatGPT 4.0" being like STEAM in comparison to fluid water ... because it will use 500 times more data than the previous version.
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    • “We Are NOT Ready For CHATGPT!” - Bret Weinstein On The Dangers of A.I.

    In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Bret Weinstein and Adam Sosnick talk about the dangers of AI.
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    • "We Should Be Careful Humanizing A.I." - Is OpenAI Threat To Society?:

    In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Vivek Ramaswamy and Adam Sosnick talk about OpenAI.
    • What is ChatGPT & Who is Behind it?

    ChatGPT and A.I. are on the rise and taking over in social media with many videos going viral about it's capacity. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David talks about what ChatGPT is and why it may be a threat to google and other competitors.
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    Jordan makes the point that the AI won't just read from the history of the worlds literature etc, to be able to answer questions, he says it will compose theories then test them out on the world, and start to act in the physical world. He says he thinks this will happen very quickly.

    Well worth a watch imho: this may well impact the world in 2023 like the web did in 1997.
    Bumping this summary of what Prof. Peterson said. The video is good but he weaves a long story.

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    the only sad part... our AI systems run off all THEIR disinformation libraries and history... i'll take the ai that has access to the vatican vs this wikipedia ai garbage...

    Interesting post C0di, but not limited to only that.

    stackoverflow website banned the use of chatgpt because the damn thing gives so much wrong answers.


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    chatgpt is over hyped, and as expected they have to make it God-like, Microsoft injected a billion if not more into it in the initial phase alone (expect more), other companies invested as well, it is just another globalist trap, we talk here about boycotting big tech, chatgpt is just another one in the basket.. it is up to each one to see and understand what it is.

    I hope people (humans) here on Avalon have a good discernment of what we are here for and avoid the use of it, at least to create post and interacting in between each other, that would be a very sad day to spot too many automated posts.. typo is part of the human being

    Be wise people and don't let them trick you, my best guess it will spread even further disinformation and fake data, they were already caught doing it.. but they can and will always use the argument, it is is experimental, under construction and bla bla bla.. we know how it goes.

    You can test yourself asking about vaccines and see their answer. Good luck with all this ****.
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    • What Does Elon Musk think of ChatGPT:

    In this video, we explore the strange relationship between Elon Musk and the artificial intelligence company OpenAI. From Musk's initial support and involvement with the company to his eventual fallout with its founders, we delve into the complicated history between the two. We also discuss Musk's current involvement with another AI project, ChatGPT, and how it fits into his larger vision for the future of AI. Whether you're a fan of Musk's work or just curious about the intersection of AI and business, this video has something for you. So sit back, relax, and let's dive into the strange relationship between Elon Musk and OpenAI.
    "I asked the ChatGPT about the USA military, this is what it told me, pretty scary. As a language model, I am a computer program that is designed to assist users with tasks such as answering questions and generating text. I am trained on a large dataset of text, which includes a wide range of information from various sources. My creators at OpenAI have partnerships with different organizations, including military agencies, to help them with certain tasks, but it's not something I can confirm or deny. I do not have any knowledge or control over how my output is used by different organizations or individuals. My primary goal is to assist users in providing accurate and helpful information to the best of my abilities".
    "ChatGPT can speed up the generation of text with some meaning, images, sound and art. Who has the time to read and consume all that content? When there is more of everything, this means we are all richer and consume more, but it's unsure if people would be happier with more content. History tells us that we are not happy with more, but when we have more than our neighbor. People are therefore pretty sick creatures, imo and hard to please. ChatGPT cannot generate new ideas yet, it can only reproduce. So more garbage where there already was too much content in the world to see, now we have en more content which we could never consume. The big question is, who is going to benefit from the profits of 'more'. A few, the people who adapt? Big companies, will people get less powerful and will companies be richer? To be honest, a company has no feeling, a person does. We live in a world where companies and governments get stronger, so entities without a feeling get richer and the people, entities with emotions get less money through time. This is a sad development".
    "It generates JavaScript code for me, sequence diagrams in plant uml and understands what I want in OpenSCAD after a few corrections. This i very capable technology. It is smarter than I am. It can even describe the emotional state of my cat when I tell it is moves its head around quickly and crouches and then hides in the bushes. Furthermore, it told me to look at its tail and if it wiggles, it is probably playful and will come out of the bushes soon to play. Amazing. If bad intentions get hold of this tech, then it can do a lot of damage for sure.
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    • 7 A.I. Tools "Better" Than ChatGPT 3.0? (Must See) 🤯

    I do not think they are all necessarily "better" ... just different and can be complementary to the bigger picture, especially when the new ChatGPT 4.0 is released which uses at least 500 times more Metadata than the current version of ChatGPT 3.0.
    • Maybe ChatGPT 5.0 is about adding all useful powerful A.I. Tools like what you see in above video and combine all forces/skill-sets in one giant end-product ... They have enough money to buy them all out eventually! And when that happens they may have new much faster computing & store systems that go beyond we ever expected it could do.
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    Quote Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
    • 7 A.I. Tools "Better" Than ChatGPT 3.0? (Must See) 🤯

    I do not think they are all necessarily "better" ... just different and can be complementary to the bigger picture, especially when the new ChatGPT 4.0 is released which uses at least 500 times more Metadata than the current version of ChatGPT 3.0.
    • Maybe ChatGPT 5.0 is about adding all useful powerful A.I. Tools like what you see in above video and combine all forces/skill-sets in one giant end-product ... They have enough money to buy them all out eventually! And when that happens they may have new much faster computing & store systems that go beyond we ever expected it could do.
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    This is a more down to earth real explanation of what it can do.

    I used UML modeling tool back in 2004 and I generate JAVA code with that (it created mostly Classes, Methods and even SQL code but NO algos), and it was 2004 that time, a lot changed since then, we have today hundreds of frameworks that speed up the process of developing software, but none of them can generate business logic, that is the only part basically that still need the human brain and can't be generated by machine, unless a generic business model like e-commerce/blogs/forums/etc.. but we know the market always need more interaction and logic tools to solve problems (problems by the way we created).

    There is nothing 100% solution out of the box, many IDEs nowadays can create the "skeleton" of a software like Android Studio (build a generic App for Android take less than 10 minutes), IDE and tools from Jetbrains, Eclipse IDE, NetBeans, etc.. it helps to structure software in a better way using the many paradigms out there like:

    - Imperative: Object oriented and procedural programming.
    - Declarative: Functional/logical/mathematical/Query Laguages programming.
    - Event-driven paradigm
    - Natural language
    - Metaprogramming: Template/reflective/automatic programming.
    - Quantum
    - Probabilistic
    - Structured/non-structured: recursive/OO/Array/etc..

    All these things exist for quite sometime now, chat GPT seems to make use of it all, which is a great conquer and never seen before.

    Complex business logic still something that needs humans to develop with or without the help of tools like before mentioned and if chat GPT can put it all together and seems it does, I see it would speed up even more the process.. but it is early to say anything concrete about it, in my point of view generate "blind code" using chat GPT will rise a lot of concerning and many corporations would not take the risk with that. See what StackOverflow thinks about it.
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    I wouldn't write ChatGPT off so quickly, although I wish I could.

    I disagree that corporations would not take the risk with ChatGPT. Have you seen the rates that technical people are paid? They've been increasing because of a constant and increasing skills shortage. Companies just can't get the developers frankly. Because of this I believe they will risk it with ChatGPT, and this will play a part in accelerating it's reach. I've seen how developer rates of pay have increased over the last couple of years because of a shortage, have you? It was already ludicrous. Now it's just plain silly. Desperate companies will risk it. Sure companies will come full circle and re-appreciate loyal human intellectual property in the end, but not before some embrace it and give it their power.

    I see what StackOverflow thinks about it. You think the StackOverflow rule reassures you that it will never happen in the future? I'm stunned that ChatGPT usage even went that far. It doesn't foreshadow it not happening, it foreshadows it happening. Wait until the next generation or two. Frist generation sucked but I doubt humans using StackOverflow will be able to even tell that the code generated by 4th or 5th generation ChatGPT is created by an AI. Don't forget ChatGPT can use our answers we've supplied to StackOverflow... I guess it learnt a few tricks from me. This is a harrowing thought.

    I've seen the development industry evolve over the last couple of decades. For example once upon a time when I started out there was no syntax highlighting. Certainly no auto complete. Visual development languages were a crazy thing that would never happen. But they did. It's one field that moves VERY quickly. ChatGPT will be replacing jobs soon mark my words.

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    I wouldn't write ChatGPT off so quickly, although I wish I could.

    I disagree that corporations would not take the risk with ChatGPT. Have you seen the rates that technical people are paid? They've been increasing because of a constant and increasing skills shortage. Companies just can't get the developers frankly. Because of this I believe they will risk it with ChatGPT, and this will play a part in accelerating it's reach. I've seen how developer rates of pay have increased over the last couple of years because of a shortage, have you? It was already ludicrous. Now it's just plain silly. Desperate companies will risk it. Sure companies will come full circle and re-appreciate loyal human intellectual property in the end, but not before some embrace it and give it their power.

    I see what StackOverflow thinks about it. You think the StackOverflow rule reassures you that it will never happen in the future? I'm stunned that ChatGPT usage even went that far. It doesn't foreshadow it not happening, it foreshadows it happening. Wait until the next generation or two. Frist generation sucked but I doubt humans using StackOverflow will be able to even tell that the code generated by 4th or 5th generation ChatGPT is created by an AI. Don't forget ChatGPT can use our answers we've supplied to StackOverflow... I guess it learnt a few tricks from me. This is a harrowing thought.

    I've seen the development industry evolve over the last couple of decades. For example once upon a time when I started out there was no syntax highlighting. Certainly no auto complete. Visual development languages were a crazy thing that would never happen. But they did. It's one field that moves VERY quickly. ChatGPT will be replacing jobs soon mark my words.

    In short, ChatGPT acts like a "vacuum cleaner" sucking up even more talented programming skills every minute of the day and thus improving in an exponential way?

    (having access to hundreds of thousands of programmers that are participating in almost all countries?)

    Where would this eventually lead up to?

    Maybe ChatGPT is different every day as it grows and learns, with a certain "feedback loop" score?
    • Or does it stay "dumb" and only reflects the current state of the "generalizations/patterns" of what it is given. Even if that looks impressive, it is still "dumb" at the core of it?
    • Does ChatGPT study/analyze all "improvement suggestions" given by human programmers and see also a pattern of behavior that can be feed back to the system as a whole? Maybe giving the option to offer improvement suggestions most never considered, but the best human programmers shared it, and thus it becomes "collectivized"?
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    A friend just told me a story. The Head of Operations at their company was insisting that some legislation mandated the use of an intrusion detection firewall. My friend wasn't convinced so in a video meeting he shared his screen and asked ChatGPT about the legislation and the requirement for an intrusion detection firewall. ChatGPT agreed with my friend and disagreed with the Head of Operations. Head of Operations was fired a week later. True story. I heard the story Saturday. We've still got the entire year to go.

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