Not flat earth but...

[mojo]

Sorry if this comes across as another flat earth theory which it is not. I have always believed in the helio centric model until listening to Patrick Gunnels which is now challenging my thinking. Maybe you feel the same about our blue sphere. He is not saying flat earth but something in the math says maybe not a sphere.

Start @ 9 minute mark... but specifically at 13

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v24ufz8

[mojo]

This video below seems unrleated to Patrick Gunnels hypothesis but the thought that we have been living in a simulation which has also been a new idea for me since watching this video below recently. It helps explain how a non helio centric model might work. Just like a computer simulation there are enough pixels to render the video to make it look real. It's only until you zoom in that more definition gets rendered. That might be how it works for the model. We only see enough to render the earth or photo shop as Patrick says.

this video blew my mind.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4wMhXxZ1zNM

[Johnnycomelately]

Hi Mojo. His figure for the calculated drop due to curvature of (an ideal, spherical) Earth over 10 statue miles, 800 inches, matches what I found on this website:

https://earthcurvature.com/

800 inches equals a little over 66 1/2 feet. At 100 miles, the figure is 6668.41 feet. Mr. Patrick Gunnels claims that it’s possible for us to see 100 miles out. Clear day implied. Bonneville Salt Flats might stretch 10 miles, should follow Earth’s ‘sea-levelness’ habit, and yield good data (good even if less than 10 miles). Come to think of it, you could use any two shorelines on a long lake, on a low-wind day, and test for laser-signature ~like modern Surveyors use. Lasers (L is for light) travel in a straight line, at least for the first second or so.

He didn’t mention actually trying this test, he hand-waved it. Being a mathematics major (nerd), maybe he has no experience outside eyeballing the horizon. He went on to talk about the weird fact that the atmosphere doesn’t get sucked out into the vacuum of space, but didn’t mention the gravity effect (on the atmosphere) that causes your ears to ~pop when ascending to or descending from airliner cabin-altitude (standard/normal, 8000 feet).

He says we should all be flying off the planet, because of the speeds and the curved paths it is ‘supposedly’ doing, while neglecting the “#Youtoo” of gravity.

I don’t think he’s earnest, but would be open to having my mind changed.

Posted by mojo (here)
Sorry if this comes across as another flat earth theory which it is not. I have always believed in the helio centric model until listening to Patrick Gunnels which is now challenging my thinking. Maybe you feel the same about our blue sphere. He is not saying flat earth but something in the math says maybe not a sphere.

Start @ 9 minute mark... but specifically at 13

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v24ufz8

[Bill Ryan]

Nonsense.

[MorningFox]

The fact that they tell us earth curves at 0.666ft per mile and that the earth travels around the sun at 66,600mph should ring alarm bells for even the least astute people. It's fairly clear that the globe model, the idea that we are an insignificant place, one of trillions, along with the evolution deception, is clearly designed to convince people that we are an unimportant accident, and not a sacred creation. It's designed to instill materialism and a remove the belief in the creator.

[ExomatrixTV]

• The "Flat Earth" PsyOp (and John B. Wells' brilliant take)

[ExomatrixTV]

2D map that is used to represent a 3D Sphere you always have to be aware of this calibration. If I would draw a line on a photo of your body you KNOW that a flat 2D photo does NOT represent 100% 3D of you. It is a proximation of you (a way of thinking that YOU are actually "flat" on a photo but NOT in 3D reality. Any "conclusion" drawn from a 2D photo of you is not entirely perfect & flawless! So you always take in consideration that ANY 2D representation of a 3D world you have limitations in perceptions & partial insights but NOT "in full".

Am accused by Flat Earthers being "not open minded" ... My mind was LONG TIME OPEN ... to the point that realize they force you to "stay open" forever ... to serve their PsyOp forever ... no accountability for their claims, they do not want to understand how deep I have researched it with a HUGE OPEN MIND! ... Later accusing me having a "closed mind" is just so hilarious to me! ... All PsyOp tactics or just closed minded about my real open mindedness I had for over 2 years! ... I wasted so much time, I feel deeply ashamed!

Images (snapshots) from a weather balloon erratic moving footage using a CCD correcting chip Wide angle or fish-eye lens showing NEVER a continuous flat earth but only a brief moments because of the CCD chip correcting parts of what you see ... this CCD effect can also be seen if you move your own camera erratic way or moving in a special way that always will try to correct the images ARTIFICIALLY ... So in short CCD chips is KNOWN to alter what is viewed ... even on the ground done by yourself ... NO BIG DEAL ... Now the Flat Earthers using a KNOWN ccd anomaly as "evidence" what is 100% NOT evidence! ... If you use the Flat Earthers "logic" you can use the CCD chip effect to "prove" it is hollow or opposite round: like a huge valley! ... Why? ... Because it can ALSO bee seen during weather-balloon footage's ... you just pick the right moment of all the crazy ccd self-correcting artifacts anomalies and you can show that split second as "your evidence" (of what?) nothing!

Circle 360° degrees divided by 24 = "15° degrees Sun-movement per Hour" but can not work on a "Flat Earth Model' ... which is true: indeed "Flat Earthers Model" does not fit the facts of a TESTABLE REALITY ... what we just easily understandable deducted ourselves here

Ask any "Flat Earther" a SIMPLE QUESTION:

We can see the Sun moving 15 degrees per Hour (360 degrees divided by 24) everyone can test if that is true themselves ... DOES THE SUN MOVE 15 DEGREES PER HOUR! ... if yes ... that will never ever work on a Flat Earth Model ... checkmate!

I wonder if we have any "Secret Flat Earthers" in our mids ... I highly doubt it, but if there are some, they have to be really new members as most who are long time members know by now how to apply real discernment skills ... This is what I really like about Project Avalon Forum having higher standards by default. That does not mean everything is "set in stone" especially when something is (highly) controversial. Most who suffer "low attention span disorder" will have to admit that it is a short-coming an incompetence dealing with deep subjects.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
When you zoom in long enough enough on a basketball every mm is like a flat existence for that square mm.

I have an interesting and sincere question:

If the size of the Globe (Earth Sphere) would be scaled down to a basketball ... how big would the ant be walking on that basketball (symbolizing Earth) in comparison? ... I think bigger than the Eiffel Tower!

Study all my Facebook Posts using hashtag #FlatEarthPsyOp Posts Exposing all "Flat Earthers" memes!

The world's smallest ant is called the Thief Ant, measuring between 1/20 and 1/32 of an inch long. That's between 1.25 and 0.75 millimeters. (Tiny!)

Here it is:



So to scale, if it's 1.25 to 0.75 mm long, it'll be about 0.4 mm high. That's just an approximation, of course.

Meanwhile, a basketball is 24.26 cm in diameter. That represents the earth, the diameter of which is 12,756 km (at the equator).

12,756 km is 1,275,600,000 centimeters. So the scale factor here for the basketball-sized model earth is 1,275,600,000 / 24.26 = 1:52,580,000. (approximately!)

So scaled up to be on the real earth, our tiny ant (let's take the very tiniest version) would be 52,580,000x as long as 0.75 mm, and 52,580,000x as high as 0.4 mm.

That's 39,435,000 mm long and 21,032,000 mm high.

In kilometers, that's 39.4 km long, and 21 km high. (In American and English! 24.5 miles x 13 miles.)

MUCH higher than the Eiffel Tower. And that's the absolute smallest ant there is. Regular ants would be 100 miles long.

I can talk for hours non-stop to disprove all flat-earth assumptions from memory not using any notes ... as I am Asperger (extreme eye for detail visually & audio memory) studied most "Flat Earth" Videos & Articles years ago after some F.E. people pushed me & "challenged" me multiple times.

But one that stands out (empirical evidence):

Everybody can put a stick in the ground when the Sun is shining (no clouds) and study the shadow movement each hour ... that turns out to be 15 degrees change per hour!! ... Which makes perfect sense for a globe as 24 times 15 degrees = 360 degrees (= Full Circle) ... when you study Flat Earth Model ("theory") ... and imagine you would put a stick in the ground analyzing the shadow of that model IT WILL NOT PRODUCE 15 degrees change per hour ... period!



This alone should wake up any "Flat Earther" unless they do not want to use any brain cells and rather stick to endless flawed "reasoning" being debunked over and over and over. So sad. Wasting our times exposing an obvious PsyOp and all victims who are falling for it helping to discredit anyone who is in to genuine conspiracy research. So many times I heard "5G protesters are like Flat Earthers" or "Any Exposing The Great Reset Agenda2030 are like "Flat Earthers" etc. etc. etc. It perfectly fits/serves to downplay all real conspiracy research.

• Please study this Project Avalon Forum Thread: tinyurl.com/FlatEarthPsyop (updated!)

After studying this link nobody can claim: "I did not know it was that bad!"

Posted by Pam (here)
How would we know. Is it round, I don't know.

Have you ever asked anyone how to know for sure WHY The Earth is a globe? ... Because that has been answered so many times, it is not funny anymore ... Most is common sense + logic + empirical evidence that actually works you can test yourself which disproves "Flat Earth Model Theory" in a heartbeat.

David Icke uses the "Holographic Universe Principle" to allow us to focus on much more important things and let it be one way or the other and move on... NOT because he is a "Flat Earther" he isn't ... In my view he is trying to be "diplomatic" about it hoping we can "get along" .. Meanwhile, all serious conspiracy research is discredited, connecting it to those who also believe in crazy "Flat Earth theories". Even if we can show we are NOT Flat Earthers most who read the hit-peaces against us have no time to check the validity of the sold claims. So they assume we all are "nuts". (MSM Psywar mission accomplished!).


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Posted by Richter (here)
I believe anything!

Every questionnaire/poll or journalists that use the "do you believe?" question ... falsely assumes there is "nothing to know" ... "nothing to experience" ... nothing to investigate, because "it's just a belief"

In my view to "beLIEve" is not the same as "knowing for sure" ... every-time when I read/hear someone say "believe" I do not have to debate nor "correct" it ... because the person already explained it does not need to know for sure ... they just want to believe stuff.

In general, I am not in the mood to make something "more believable" as that is highly subjective.

Posted by mizo (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

In my view, this Project Avalon Forum Thread saved so many not to fall in the PsyOp trap!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

I have used this thread myself. I have shared it often to try and reason with the all the recent 'flat earthers' that I speak with:
those souls are usually the newly awakened and searching through all the conspiracies for life's meaning!
Quite often those souls are found at 'Stand In The Park' anti-vac gatherings on Sunday mornings.
I kinda understand why it happens, as I have been there myself when I was younger and searching for meanings . Some of the arguments for FE theories are quite compelling especially for those newly awoke as they dig deeper into rabbit holes.

Keep up the good work John!

Your Welcome

Most "Neutrals" who do not decide to go either way ... can best be educated using below quote of mine to debunk the "Flat Earth Model Theory" in a super simple & super self-exploratory way:

...and I quote myself here:

"Anybody living on Earth can use a stick and stick it in a ground to let it make a shadow when the Sun shines ... then measuring how much degrees it changes every hour ... than you realize it is 15 degrees per hour no matter where you are ... Now why do you think 15 degrees change per hour is so super significant?



360 degrees (circle) divided by 24 = 15 degrees! ... this super duper obvious insight means that can never work on a "Flat Earth Model" (Theory) ... you can talk in to infinity trying to explain Flat Earth "Calculus Model" ... but it does not fly with real life empirical evidence we all can test/experiment ourselves the moment we have a sunny day" ... unquote

1 day has 24 Hours ... 1 hour = 15 degree change of the Sun-shadow of a pole you stick in the ground leaving a shadow when on a Sunny day! ...

24 times 15 = 360! ... and what is 360 degrees per 24 hours? ... A circle ... and you can not make an animation where you have 15 degrees per hour change anywhere on a "Flat Earth Model" ... That is a fact!

"Do the math" even if you are not good in math you still can see the logic I hope

Using "Flat Earth Model" logic you suppose to see The Sun in Australia when you are in USA and visa versa ... Sun-set and Sun-rise is "alien" to them <<< Am not saying they claim that but all "Flat Earth Model animations" shows "rotating of the Sun" completely different than real reality! ... That is why I bring this up.

In the very early beginnings of Flat Earth Videos they even discuss that the Sun goes "smaller" and does not set ... not going down behind the horizon ... That alone is enough to LAUGH at them all in to infinity.

• Many who are 100% sane will see all of this as a "waste of time" ... not realizing how many "neutrals" are tempted to be lured in to their pushed narratives. Thinking there is a "conspiracy".

• I would not be surprised if some of the F.E. fanatics will say that math is a "Free Mason Conspiracy" lol (a common tactic) as they need endless distractions & excuses not to comprehend what is shared here.

• most of all the above is taken from this: Project Avalon Forum Thread

DISCLAIMER: am fully aware that "The Sun" does not "move" in relation to The Earth but the rotation of the Earth gives the illusion that the Sun "moves" ... for practical reasons I decided to use the wording the "Sun moves" in relation to the shadow it casts at a stick you can put in the ground and analyzing the change of the shadow every hour which is explicably 15 degrees change ... as long teh Sun is visible and not hindered by clouds ... All "Flat Earth Models" do NOT work with a constant 15 degrees change per hour!




cheers,
John Kuhles aka 'ExomatrixTV'
January 30th, 2023 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
The fact that they tell us earth curves at 0.666ft per mile and that the earth travels around the sun at 66,600mph should ring alarm bells for even the least astute people.

Spurious, at best.

The Earth's velocity round the sun is 66,616 mph, to the nearest 1 mph. In different units (and units are human conceptual creations and therefore entirely arbitrary), it's 29.78 km/sec or 107,208 km/hour.

The earth's curvature is approximately 8 inches per mile (which is where the "0.666" comes from). In most places, it's actually 7.98 inches per mile, i.e. 0.665 ft/mile. (And in different units, that's 0.125685 meters/kilometer, go figure.)

Someone might calculate it all in in nautical miles (which again are different) — or in rods, poles, chains and perches as well.

For anyone who might be interested, search for "flat earth" (in quotes, to preserve the phrase) in posts by username MorningFox.

Be careful! You're letting your flat-earthism show. That's nothing to be proud of.

[Brigantia]

As I have posted before... back in the day when kids on board were invited up to the cockpit to meet the captain, I went up there once on a night flight and through the cockpit window I saw the curvature of the earth in the distance. I can still picture it as it's the most amazing sight I have ever seen.

No one can ever convince me that the earth is flat.

[MorningFox]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by MorningFox (here)
The fact that they tell us earth curves at 0.666ft per mile and that the earth travels around the sun at 66,600mph should ring alarm bells for even the least astute people.

Spurious, at best.

The Earth's velocity round the sun is 66,616 mph, to the nearest 1 mph. In different units (and units are human conceptual creations and therefore entirely arbitrary), it's 29.78 km/sec or 107,208 km/hour.

The earth's curvature is approximately 8 inches per mile (which is where the "0.666" comes from). In most places, it's actually 7.98 inches per mile, i.e. 0.665 ft/mile. (And in different units, that's 0.125685 meters/kilometer, go figure.)

Someone might calculate it all in in nautical miles (which again are different) — or in rods, poles, chains and perches as well.

For anyone who might be interested, search for "flat earth" (in quotes, to preserve the phrase) in posts by username MorningFox.

Be careful! You're letting your flat-earthism show. That's nothing to be proud of.

Excuse me? I don't think I've posted one single comment regarding flat earth before. I'm not a flat earther. Neither do I blindly believe what NASA and freemasons like Newton and Galileo have taught. Though thank you for confirming my numbers were correct.

I know you older lot are so deeply stuck in the heliocentric programming that you can't possibly fathom that it might not be true, so let's keep an open mind and allow free debate on the topic, shall we?

This place is a consciousness realm, a shared dream, not a physical rock in a physical world.

[MorningFox]

Posted by Brigantia (here)
As I have posted before... back in the day when kids on board were invited up to the cockpit to meet the captain, I went up there once on a night flight and through the cockpit window I saw the curvature of the earth in the distance. I can still picture it as it's the most amazing sight I have ever seen.

No one can ever convince me that the earth is flat.

You couldn't possibly see the curvature from plane altitude. Planes windows are curved, that was almost certainly an illusion from the curved window. I'm not saying earth is flat, I'm just saying that you cannot see curvature from that altitude.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Excuse me? I don't think I've posted one single comment regarding flat earth before.

[MorningFox]

Oh I see, my mistake. 6 years ago I made a couple of posts... Not asserting anything, but discussing the subject?

You have a problem with this, do you?

I thought this was a place full of open minded people but you're behaving like the brainwashed vaccinated, ridiculing and instantly cutting short any debate, already having made your mind up. The sign of a small mind. It's also the sign of your programming being challenged. Sad.

If you really believe that earth is spinning faster than the speed of sound, and you're not even open to discussing the possibility that might not be true, then there's nothing I can do for you.

This is the last place I expected to be treated like that, but now I know what kind of a man you are.

There isn't a single piece of evidence of a round earth and not one single photo of the whole thing in frame, aside from fish eye lense and Photoshop from NASA, so why do you believe so firmly what you believe?

[Brigantia]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
You couldn't possibly see the curvature from plane altitude. Planes windows are curved, that was almost certainly an illusion from the curved window. I'm not saying earth is flat, I'm just saying that you cannot see curvature from that altitude.

You do on a night flight. I know, I've seen it.

Update to add - what have the windows got to do with it? In any case, it was only something small like a BAC 1-11 that were common then so the windows wouldn't be large. Travelling north-west to London at about 9pm, the horizon would have been backlit by the sun over the horizon.

Argue all you want, I know what I saw and my brothers remember it vividly too.

A further update, I found this on a search on curved windows - an engineer should know.

[MorningFox]

Through the curved windows?

For the record I'm not a flat earther. I just know we've been lied to about so much that I question everything. Unlike some here, it seems. Things can be seen on the horizon over and over again, far further away than they should if the earth is the shape we are told. Maybe it's round but much larger? Who knows... I don't see the harm in discussing it...

[Ernie Nemeth]

There isn't a single piece of evidence of a round earth and not one single photo of the whole thing in frame

https://flatearth.ws/real-earth-photos

[Pam]

What if...what if...it is both round and flat and nothing but a very sophisticated simulation, as Paramahansa Yogananda called it to the best of his description at the time in the 1930's I believe, a moving picture show?

Here is a simple, very simple observation I have made. I have 2 lovely coleus plants. They generally grow in warmer climates but they love the conditions of my bathroom with the good light and moisture from showers and such. They were never meant to be kept for a long time. Typically in my region they are a lovely addition to a hanging basket and sadly, they will die when it gets cold. I fell in love with their beauty so I put each one in a not very large pot with soil and kept them each on a separate counter in the bathroom. I have had them there in the same soil which isn't a huge amount for over 10 years. If I choose not to trim them they will grow huge and fully flower. Year after year. I hate it when I have to prune them but I can't have them take up the whole bathroom. They are in the same soil that I planted them with and they get water and occasionally a nutritional supplement. There is no logical way that much physical matter could be created from a little water and a drop or 2 of nutrients.It could not happen in the world as it is explained. A bit of water a a couple drop of nutrients and a whole lot of love towards these plants and they grow and grow. The soil level is the same......explain to me from your materialistic viewpoint how that works.

I have hundreds of simple little observations like this. We are so programmed we don't think anything of it. I suspect this will be an unpopular stance met with scorn. Morning Fox, I applaud your ability to speak as you see things. I am not a part of any flat earth"community" .It might be possible for an observer(a bit of consciousness) gets high enough and they would see a globe. It might be that the program is built so that the van allen belt is parameters of the simulation. I don't know and don't claim to.I am just here to observe and when things don't line up.....well, they don't line up. I have been wrong about a million things, and maybe I'm wrong here. But I see a ton of inconsistencies and this planet is based on inversion so you have yourself to rely on as to what is true.

I don't know for a fact what this experience is, I sure as heck am not buying the standard storyline.Even as a little kid the whole Darwinian thing seemed outrageous.
It's just one more lie...I admire your courage, Morning Fox. I gave one simple little observation, I have hundreds more, things that don't line up...

I hope we can keep this as a good natured discussion. This is an opportunity to show that we can agree to disagree...it would be a great example to the woke. There are more reading this than we are aware. I have no animosity to those that disagree with me and I would hope for the same respect.

[Delight]

Plenty of people have "proved" to themselves that the earth is Flat... NO,NO, IT IS PROVEN to be ROUND, a globe, and YOU are CRAZY. No, you are (stupid, controlled, programmed, idiotic). The Earth is a FLAT plane with ice walls!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are so convinced that they will disdain and possibly fight those seeing differently. This is the same with other issues and as the collective breaks apart, the minutiae that divides us as the mind locks onto its small piece of "truth" will increase IMO. There is a collective experience and a PERSONAL experience. The thing to be done about it is DECIDE what we consider of valuable and focus there and realize we WILL experience what we focus on and That IS That.

Neville Goddard is the source of my first recognition that Imagination is "God". Our own wonderful human imagination has created our world of perceived appearance. That people find confirmation of their bias is EXTRAORDINARY and IMPOSSIBLE if there is just some "reality out there" IMO.

Understanding the role of our own mental perception to collapse the wave of possible/probable into actual will be the zeitgeist of the Aquarian cycle. Some say we have entered this energetic already. I thought this is interesting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S0SFlY--lcI

IMO what some call predictive programming is the insinuation of an idea and acceptance by enough minds that the collective experience BECOMES what is imagined in unison.

Here is an example from Robert Anton Wison/Discordianism

Intelligence Engineering Department
Robert Anton Wilson Archives
Operation mind**** (OM!) allegedly began as a Discordian prank, instigated by a beatnik named Kerry Wendell Thornley, in his many letters to Wilson. The gist of the prank was to start a rumor, in the “letters to the editor” page at Playboy, that a vast conspiracy existed, and controlled much of the nefarious happenings of the 1960’s and beyond. The perpetrators of this conspiracy, were none-other than the rascally Illuminati.

Wilson and Shea promptly incorporated OM! (as part of the prank) in their grand, conspiracy infused, ontological masterpiece. It was with the publication of this trilogy that the OM! mindvirus was exposed to a wider audience. Heads and Hackers alike, were turned on to the OM! culture-jamming concept during the 70’s and early 80’s.

But the thing is, no one is immune from the effects of operation mind****. Wilson was pulled into the high strangeness of illuminati plots, extra-terrestrial mind control, and other fortean phantasms. Wilson’s bemused objectivity, slowly but steadily gave way to his own paranoia. As the inevitable synchronicities accumulated, he began to believe his own fictions. This transformation was chronicled in Wilson's The Cosmic Trigger, which rivals Illuminatus! as one of his most influential works.

In fact, Wilson spent much of his later career attempting to figure out just what was real and what was a product of his own vivid imagination.

It was in his semi-autobiographical material that Wilson identified and labeled the descent into existential paranoia as: "Chapel Perilous." Borrowed from Arthurian legend, this occult term refers to a psychological state in which an individual cannot be certain whether they have been aided or hindered by some force outside the realm of the natural world, or whether what appeared to be supernatural interference was a product of their own vivid imagination. In Cosmic Trigger, Wilson acknowledges that being in this state leads the subject to become either stone paranoid or an agnostic... there is no third way.

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Oh I see, my mistake. 6 years ago I made a couple of posts... Not asserting anything, but discussing the subject?

You have a problem with this, do you?

I thought this was a place full of open minded people but you're behaving like the brainwashed vaccinated, ridiculing and instantly cutting short any debate, already having made your mind up. The sign of a small mind. It's also the sign of your programming being challenged. Sad.

If you really believe that earth is spinning faster than the speed of sound, and you're not even open to discussing the possibility that might not be true, then there's nothing I can do for you.

This is the last place I expected to be treated like that, but now I know what kind of a man you are.

There isn't a single piece of evidence of a round earth and not one single photo of the whole thing in frame, aside from fish eye lense and Photoshop from NASA, so why do you believe so firmly what you believe?

• Are you aware that you just exposed yourself big time having multiple bogus assumptions! ... It is obvious to me, you play the "innocent" card without being innocent.

[Tintin]

Posted by MorningFox (here)

Posted by Brigantia (here)
As I have posted before... back in the day when kids on board were invited up to the cockpit to meet the captain, I went up there once on a night flight and through the cockpit window I saw the curvature of the earth in the distance. I can still picture it as it's the most amazing sight I have ever seen.

No one can ever convince me that the earth is flat.

You couldn't possibly see the curvature from plane altitude. Planes windows are curved, that was almost certainly an illusion from the curved window. I'm not saying earth is flat, I'm just saying that you cannot see curvature from that altitude.

Actually, you can see it.

I have,myself, in an aeroplane, about 38 years ago flying at around 35,000 feet (perhaps more) passing over the Indian sub-continent back to Blighty from Hong Kong. It's a very gradual curvature given Earth's circumference size so it's not as markedly defined as say viewing a football (soccer) ball from any given vantage point. (I nearly said from any side there, and then corrected myself ).