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    This Today in UK on BBC :-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64507225

    US Tracking suspected "CHINESE SURVEILLANCE BALLOON".

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    The mysterious object shut down flights in Montana on Wednesday
    By Max Matza
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    The US is tracking a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted flying over sensitive sites in recent days.

    Defence officials said they were confident the "high-altitude surveillance balloon" belonged to China. It was most recently seen above the western state of Montana.

    But military leaders decided against shooting it down as there were concerns over the danger of falling debris.

    China has not yet commented.

    Canada said on Friday that it was monitoring "a potential second incident" involving a surveillance balloon, but did not say which country could be behind it. It said in the statement that it is working closely with the US to "safeguard Canada's sensitive information from foreign intelligence threats".

    The object flew over Alaska's Aleutian Islands and through Canada before appearing over the city of Billings in Montana on Wednesday, officials said.

    A senior defence official speaking on condition of anonymity said the government prepared fighter jets, including F-22s, in case the White House ordered the object to be shot down.

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    Top military leaders, including Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, met on Wednesday to assess the threat. Mr Austin was travelling in the Philippines at the time.

    But they advised against taking "kinetic action" against the balloon because of the danger falling debris might pose to people on the ground.

    Montana, a sparsely populated state, is home to one of only three nuclear missile silo fields in the country, at Malmstrom Air Force Base, and officials said the apparent spy craft was flying over sensitive sites to collect information.

    The defence official, however, said there was no "significantly enhanced threat" of US intelligence being compromised because American officials "know exactly where this balloon is and exactly where it's passing over".

    He added that there was also no threat to civilian aviation as the balloon was "significantly" above the altitude used by commercial airlines.

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    The defence official said the US had raised the matter with Chinese officials in their embassy in Washington DC and in Beijing.

    During Thursday's briefing at the Pentagon, officials declined to disclose the aircraft's current location. They also refused to provide more details of the object, including its size.

    "There have been reports of pilots seeing this thing even though it's pretty high up in the sky," the unnamed defence official said. "So you know, it's sizable."

    They added that such surveillance balloons had been tracked in the past several years, but this one was "appearing to hang out for a longer period of time this time around".

    It confused social media users in Montana, with some posting images of a pale round object high in the sky. Others reported seeing US military planes in the area, apparently monitoring the object.

    Billings office worker Chase Doak told the Associated Press news agency that he noticed the "big white circle in the sky" and went home to get a better camera.

    "I thought maybe it was a legitimate UFO," he said. "So I wanted to make sure I documented it and took as many photos as I could."

    Chinese state media has not reported on the incident, but it is being widely discussed on Chinese social media, with many amused at the reported use of balloons for surveillance.

    "We have so many satellites, why would we need to use a balloon," wrote one user on Weibo.

    Senator Marco Rubio, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, slammed China's alleged balloon.

    "The level of espionage aimed at our country by Beijing has grown dramatically more intense & brazen over the last 5 years," he tweeted.

    Montana Governor Greg Gianforte, a Republican, said in a statement that he had been briefed on the "deeply troubling" situation.

    Speaking at an unrelated event in Washington DC on Thursday, CIA Director William Burns made no mention of the balloon, but called China the "biggest geopolitical challenge" currently facing the US.

    The alleged spy craft is likely to increase tensions ahead of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken's visit to China next week. It will be the first visit to the country by a Biden administration cabinet secretary.

    The top US diplomat will be in Beijing to hold talks on a wide range of issues, including security, Taiwan and Covid-19.

    He will also meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, the the Financial Times reported on Thursday.

    Balloons are one of oldest forms of surveillance technology. Compared to other air surveillance devices, they can be operated cheaply without personnel, while remaining airborne for long periods of time.

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    I have no faith in the Pentagon anymore, there just as corrupt as the rest of the bunch, this is like the tptb said oh we found documents at this other guys house but their 2 months old. America, land of the fee, home of the brave and a place where nobody goes to jail anymore, it's very very sad.

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    Update :- It's now HEADLINES on BBC (mainstream Media in UK).

    Previously they've stayed away from UAP like the Plague.

    Great way to Discredit the "UFO Community".

    Now Everything will be a "Chinese Spy Drone".

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    Hyping fears against China is maybe related to this topic ... but China is a danger on so many other levels for sure ... but some of those fears can serve a very different agenda!
    • Mainstream Media is always about how to frame (mass conditioning) certain things ... serving an agenda that we often find out later on.
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    So they (pentagon) dont really know whats goin on, yet they allowed it to drift over US soil, yeah right, and i said drift cause thats all a balloon can do, unless its powered somehow.

    A bloke films it from his driveway at home, no problem, yet US forces, Air force in particular, couldnt stop a freaking balloon from passing over sensitive areas, they didnt want to shoot it down cause they were afraid someone on the ground could have been hurt, LMFAO.
    If anything comes from this the Pentagon will have a lot of explaining to do, im sure if Trump occupied the WH this would have ended differently, just my opinion
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    I wouldn't put it past them to have sent it up themselves as a way to explain 'ALL' UFO/UAP sightings. Which I'd be shocked if they don't attempt to use it in that way in the near future anyways.

    Same thing happened years ago with the crop circles with Dog and Dave. 2 blokes claimed to have hoaxed them all! Ya, 2 men from England traversed the globe creating these crop circles all over the world that fooled all the experts (they didn't - their hoaxed crop circles were easily identified as man-made). However, the media ate it up and the real story of crop circles became a joke.

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    We can assume the balloon has been determined not to have a nuclear payload.
    And we can assume it is not for reconnaissance because they have satellites that do that.
    So...

    What if:

    The payload is a bio-chemical weapon?
    The payload is an EMP weapon?
    The payload is a weapon we have never heard of before?

    Then:
    Is it a threat?
    Is it a mistake?
    Or has it been deployed with a purpose?

    My advice:
    Shoot it down right NOW!
    Ask questions and offer speculations after!
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    It reminds me of the Japanese Fu-Go balloon bombs during WW2. Could this act imply at least one group have lost spy satellites? I recall DOD having the desire for high altitude surveillance balloons.

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    Security-sensitive stuff is hidden from satellites on the reg. Likewise, misinfo is also presented to them.

    The scared voices saying “Shoot it down!” are just dumbasses. The best take I’ve heard (on YT - The China Show, today) is that SIGINT is our best response. Monitoring the balloon’s package’s communications emissions, to study their tech.

    I expect the thing will be recovered, by and by. Maybe the Chinese are looking to see how we could do that without destroying the hardware. “Operation Butterfly Net”?

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    "The China Show" in which most of the update is devoted to the subject of the Balloon.
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    "The spy balloon from China is a whole lot more than it seems. You've come to the right place if you want to know everything about it, and why China is doing this sort of thing."

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...na-ufo/672943/

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    Lazy, Uninformed "Journalism".

    The Chinese Balloon and the Disappointing Reality of UFOs
    Most strange sights in the sky have a very terrestrial explanation.

    By Marina Koren
    An illustration of a saucerlike UFO with a page behind it being pulled back to reveal a weather balloon
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    Residents of Billings, Montana, encountered a rather strange sight this week: A giant white ball hovering in the sky in broad daylight. The ball drifted between clouds and shimmered in the sun. It looked almost like a second moon.

    American military officials suspect that the floating mystery object is a Chinese spy balloon. The high-altitude object, they say, traveled from China to Alaska and then Canada before crossing into the continental United States. The U.S. government considered shooting down the balloon before determining that the resulting debris could endanger those on the ground. China has insisted that the aerial interloper isn’t a surveillance system, but a weather balloon that was unfortunately blown off course. The White House said that the balloon isn’t a threat to anyone on the ground, but the U.S. secretary of state has postponed a scheduled trip to Beijing, reportedly because of the situation.

    In a way, this is one more uncomfortable chapter in the story of adversarial nations operating in a shared stratosphere. It is also—hear me out—a little refreshing. After several years of breathless news coverage of mysterious things moving across the sky, inscrutable pilot footage, and shadowy government programs, here is a headline-grabbing flying object of concern that is, for once, identified. The U.S. and China may have different explanations for what the thing does, but we know what it is—and it’s not aliens.

    Read: The UFO trap

    As in the case of the Chinese balloon, there are almost always terrestrial explanations for unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, a term that has been synonymous with aliens since the moment government officials introduced it in the 1950s. (These days, the official term is UAPs, for “unexplained aerial phenomena.”) UFOs have classically been depicted as saucers, but sightings of all sorts of objects have been mistaken for the otherworldly over the years: military aircraft, drones, floating lanterns, meteors, weather events, birds, the afterglow of rocket launches—even the planet Venus, on its brightest days. And, of course, balloons. One of the most famous UFO sightings, over Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947, turned out to be a high-altitude balloon belonging to the Air Force.

    The first (and typically secretive) government programs dedicated to identifying UFOs emerged around that time, and they’ve been contending with civilian sightings ever since. Last year, the Defense Department established a new office to spot and identify “anomalous” objects flying around its military installations. In a recent analysis of 366 UAP sightings, the office characterized 163—about 45 percent of reports—as “balloon or balloon-like entities.” Some reports turn out to not concern objects at all: One of the most intriguing UFO videos in recent years was found by a Pentagon analysis to be the result of a quirk of camera equipment. Another widely circulated video that captured a fast-moving object was explained away as an optical illusion.

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    This is the great disappointment of UFOs. Sightings get “debunked,” and those that are unexplained—requiring “further analysis,” as the Defense Department puts it—usually stay that way. And any unanswered questions are a matter of national security, not ET; government officials said that when the Chinese balloon was spotted, they “acted immediately to protect against the collection of sensitive information”—hardly a cosmically thrilling response. To this day, there has been no definitive evidence that any UAPs merit existential panic. The atmosphere is a bad place to look for such signs, anyway. As I’ve written before, if aliens exist (or once existed), their stories are probably playing out (or once did) light-years from Earth.

    You know what is everywhere? Balloons. Eyewitness reports put the Chinese spy balloon over Missouri this afternoon. Canadian officials said yesterday that they were monitoring what could be another high-altitude balloon. As I was writing this story, I looked out my apartment window and saw a party balloon zooming over the rooftops. An alien explanation would have been great for my career. But we haven’t found such an answer to that grand question yet, not in our atmosphere or beyond it. We must settle for this: In a universe where the truth about aliens is out there but difficult to find, we can have at least one balloon-shaped truth.

    Marina Koren is a staff writer at The Atlantic.

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    Independent journalist Kanekoa The Great posted a viral Twitter thread on Friday noting UFOs similar to the “Chinese spy balloon” currently floating over the United States have been previously spotted in other countries and even America.

    Since 2020, almost identical objects were spotted over Japan, India and Hawaii with a blimp-looking balloon being spotted over the Philippines.

    As explained in the thread, the first sighting of one of the balloons was in June of 2020 over Japan.

    In January 2022, a similar flying object was seen over India and again off the coast of Hawaii a month later.
    The U.S. Air Force scrambled jets to investigate the balloon over Hawaii at the time.

    As explained in the thread, the first sighting of one of the balloons was in June of 2020 over Japan.

    In January 2022, a similar flying object was seen over India and again off the coast of Hawaii a month later.
    The U.S. Air Force scrambled jets to investigate the balloon over Hawaii at the time.

    The object flying near Hawaii was reportedly close to the American military’s largest and most advanced missile testing locations.

    Jets intercepted the balloon near Hawaii and may have shot it down with locals reporting loud booms in the area, but the Air Force claimed it did not shoot the object.

    Some type of transparent surveillance ship was photographed over the Philippines in December 2022.
    The media in China at the time admitted the aircraft resembled one displayed at one of their air shows but claimed there was “no evidence” it came from China.

    Brazilian media outlets also compared the aircraft to high-altitude vehicles being worked on by China.

    A meteorologist reverse-engineered the flight path of the balloon currently floating over the U.S. and suggested it was launched from somewhere in the middle of China.

    The Pentagon on Friday told the public the balloon is carrying a “payload” large enough that citizens could be in danger if it were shot down.
    In military jargon, a “payload” could be defined as a warhead or a military missile.
    As explained in the thread, the first sighting of one of the balloons was in June of 2020 over Japan.

    In January 2022, a similar flying object was seen over India and again off the coast of Hawaii a month later.

    The U.S. Air Force scrambled jets to investigate the balloon over Hawaii at the time.

    The object flying near Hawaii was reportedly close to the American military’s largest and most advanced missile testing locations.

    Jets intercepted the balloon near Hawaii and may have shot it down with locals reporting loud booms in the area, but the Air Force claimed it did not shoot the object.

    Some type of transparent surveillance ship was photographed over the Philippines in December 2022.

    The media in China at the time admitted the aircraft resembled one displayed at one of their air shows but claimed there was “no evidence” it came from China.

    Brazilian media outlets also compared the aircraft to high-altitude vehicles being worked on by China.

    A meteorologist reverse-engineered the flight path of the balloon currently floating over the U.S. and suggested it was launched from somewhere in the middle of China.

    The Pentagon on Friday told the public the balloon is carrying a “payload” large enough that citizens could be in danger if it were shot down.
    In military jargon, a “payload” could be defined as a warhead or a military missile.

    The vast majority of U.S. citizens know the government isn’t giving them all the details regarding this mysterious matter.
    Will we ever receive honest and informative answers?
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    I'm a little confused why everyone is so surprised.

    The Biden administration and the CCP are two sides of the same coin. For all intents and purposes the two countries are cooperative governing mafias. But even that explanation may be giving the Biden administration too much credit.

    It should be commonly understood by now the United States is a captured nation, a vassal at best, and certainly a fallen sovereign.

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