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    Default The US vs China: a hypothesis

    Friends, this is so speculative that I considered posting it under Express Yourself. But I've been thinking about this for a while. There's ton of stuff regarding China that appears to make very little sense at first glance. All one appears to see are paradoxes and contradictions.

    I don't want to write a book here. Or even a long essay or a long post, and so I'll assume that readers are up to speed with most of the major geopolitical developments regarding China.

    And I'll also assume that readers know about all the accumulating evidence that suggests that China has heavily infiltrated decision-making politicians and institutions in both the US and Canada. The southern border, fentanyl, and far far more.

    And the latest weird thing, that appeared so very anomalous to myself and many others, is that all of a sudden it's been announced — like the promotion of a new movie! — that the US will be at war with China by 2025.

    Huh?? When have we ever announced a forthcoming war before... especially when there's ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY SUCH SUICIDAL THING.

    So here's the hypothesis.

    China has fully infiltrated the US at the highest level. (Canada too, but that's less important.) So for "the US", we might substitute [China*].

    What might be planned, then, is [China*] vs China. Like a staged WWF wrestling match.

    And China wins. After all — China can't actually defeat the US, which it almost certainly wishes to do and has planned for for decades, unless there's actually a war. And now the war has been announced.

    For the optics and influence over the global south, China has to present itself as the good guy, the innocent party. So it's [China*] that's declaring war, not China itself. Then China gets to be forced to defend its own interests (just as Russia is now) — and most of the world wins. The only planned and engineered loser is the US.

    It may all be choreographed. And if so, Biden and his handlers know it.

    Discuss.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    Thank you Bill.

    But: why would the US need to be defeated by China if it is already fully infiltrated by it?
    The more so as even when China might be drawn into such a war by the US (which it infiltrates fully), in order to conquer more “Lebensraum”, it would have to pay for it with the devastation of its original homeland?

    (Seen from a “European” point of view, which for once I am assuming here, the whole story about the American “infiltration by China” is a cheap masquerade by the American hegemon to somehow elicit tears of compassion from the vassals. It has a “Biden” level of credibility.)

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    So it's [China*] that's declaring war, not China itself. Then China gets to be forced to defend its own interests (just as Russia is now) — and most of the world wins. The only planned and engineered loser is the US.
    Sounds plausible to me... the train is certainly heading down that track toward that destination. At this point, the only way out for America, as I see it, is a full-scale Revolution.

    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)

    But: why would the US need to be defeated by China if it is already fully infiltrated by it?
    Even though China has infiltrated, things need to radically change in the host country. It's kind of like squeezing into a suit that doesn't fit. Right now China has squeezed its way in, but its policies and objectives are still quite awkward as it negotiates its way around with ill-fitted clothing. Right now America, [aka China*] is walking around in a suit too tight around the waist, three inches short in the legs, and droopy around the chest.

    Put another way, China needs a taylor.

    The Manchurian administration is chipping away at the Constitution, alright, bit by bit, piece by piece. This is true. But what is needed is a full-blown collapse of it, all ten Bill of Rights (and ensuing Amendments) and a Great Reset to stabilize a defeated country on its knees... What is needed is a war, orchestrated, staged, and lost. And then a new treaty with a new power. To make things official.
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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    2025, where dose the false UFO attack come into this, isn't that going to be in effect at around 2025 ?

    All I can say for sure is: I'm going to be doing some praying, getting my higher self into action o.0
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    In my view, it is not China, or Russia, or the United States, or the United Kingdom, or other current global powers, so called. It’s certain elements within China, and Russia, and the United States, and the United Kingdom, and other current global powers, so called—and/or perhaps elsewhere. The enemies common to all humanity spewing forth from these powerful global forces are well-ensconced deep within the gates of each other and in control of all facets of each of the sovereign nations and, as a result, are in control of the people thereof. These global forces have been in control for a very long time. Blood lines, fiat-debt based-money-central banking and all that….and perhaps more.

    There is a beginning, a middle and an end to all things, which is measured by some span of time, short or long. Then the cycle continues.

    In the games being played by the controllers (whoever and whatever they are) on the grand chess board of “Spaceship Earth” (Buckminster Fuller) many things are being brought to some form of an end. Not as in the end of the world, but an end of a chapter or epoch and the beginning of another.

    To the average, reasonable, conscious and conscientious person, it makes no sense. We all struggle to find meaning. What sense can be made of it appears evil. And it is.

    To the controllers (pick your own title or label) it makes sense, given their goals, which are evil.

    As an absolute rule, take what narratives we are told by mainstream sources (thesis), flip it 180 degrees to the opposite or inverse and also analyze the information from that perspective (antithesis), then continuing your critical thinking, compare the two positions to reach sound conclusions or opinions (synthesis). The dialectic. The truth of the matter is often found not on either extreme but somewhere in between. Of course remain open to considering new information and sources of information and to changing your opinions and conclusions if appropriate.

    I think I’m beginning to wander. Forgive me. The gist of my intended comment is in the first paragraph.

    For what it’s worth.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    Quote Posted by Satori (here)
    In my view, it is not China, or Russia, or the United States, or the United Kingdom, or other current global powers, so called. It’s certain elements within China, and Russia, and the United States, and the United Kingdom, and other current global powers, so called—and/or perhaps elsewhere. The enemies common to all humanity spewing forth from these powerful global forces are well-ensconced deep within the gates of each other and in control of all facets of each of the sovereign nations and, as a result, are in control of the people thereof. These global forces have been in control for a very long time. Blood lines, fiat-debt based-money-central banking and all that….and perhaps more.
    Agreed. Although I would add the geopolitical structure of some of these global powers, e.g. China, may be more conducive to achieving their objectives, hence we, the little people trying to make sense and meaning of it all, like to package our understanding of things in tangible little boxes and see the pernicious forces coming from and infiltrated by "China" or elsewhere... when in reality China is just the best vehicle to drive them across the line.

    But perhaps this is even too simplistic an explanation of the dialectic. Sometimes to find meaning in synthesis one can only sit back and watch what unfolds, as it unfolds...

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    I suggest being really careful about doing the John Birch Society's work for them.


    No doubt the U. S. "will be" taken over by "international communism", since this already happened by the 1930s.

    The United States is as capable of a major war as a flyswatter taking down a dragon.

    Certainly, the idea that any other country might be more influential than China is along the lines of 2 + 2 = 5.

    If that influence is used to pull strings, so that Uncle Sam looks exactly like...Uncle Sam, and, causes it to be disliked by nearly everybody, this is called "getting a new pair of glasses".

    This country has no raison d'etre other than a Cold War so that the arms race will be profitable. This, too, is lost, and just look at the future plans and projections of how many more billions are going to be thrown away in this disgusting fashion.

    Remember, we tried to kick the Beast off our land one time, and, what we got in return for attacking a federal military, was civilian genocide.

    Feel free to kill it with a thousand cuts, China, Mars, Antidisestablishmentarianism, or whatever it takes, so that my defeated neighbors quit displaying its flag.

    I am not sure how you "announce" a future war? Russia kind of did, by giving multiple red lines for years, and I guess no one was listening or thought they were bluffing. That is one way we can be sure that western leadership is without a clue. The believed their Ukrainian antics would work, and are still making this claim, despite facts boomeranging from their own mainstream such as Rand and WSJ.

    If anything was said by any U. S. spokesperson, it is to be ignored, unless it can be proven true and why, if so, it may be important.

    We have already seen what happens to Nazis. They are dragged into China to beg for attention, bribe for a chance to do anything, and have their assets half-owned by people who may be fiction. Our realistic chance is to figure out how we fit in.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    A related speculation- I have been wondering for a while whether instead of the US draining and weakening Russia, it is the other way around- Russia is prolonging the war and deepening the traps to draw more western resources in and collapse their economies. If so, and if China and Russia have been working together for quite a while now, which seems likely, the way the Ukraine war is going makes more sense. This allows Russia to be the decoy and China to afterwards move in to more directly defend and assist Russia to further drain the West. China then does not even need a war to take over the US and Europe, but they could do that too if they wanted to seriously depopulate. The US government controllers could be cooperating in this plan as you say Bill, otherwise their tactics are surely just insane.

    On the other hand, if China wants a war with the West they could just escalate over Taiwan, they don't need a big conflict with NATO in Ukraine.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    I don't know about Chinese infiltration, it doesn't realy matter.
    It seems to me that at the highest levels they are all one big happy family (or several families) with joint plans, and the wars and the whole farce we are watching is just a satanic ritual of sacrifice on a periodic level and to keep us low vibe..

    Something like in Orwell's 1984 -

    In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the world is divided into three superstates: Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia, who are all fighting each other in a perpetual war in a disputed area called the Equatorial Front. All that Oceania's citizens know about the world is whatever the Party wants them to know, so how the world evolved into the three states is unknown; and it is also unknown to the reader whether they actually exist in the novel's reality, or whether they are a storyline invented by the Party to advance social control.
    Is every mind connected to form a peer to peer network that creates the illusion of a shared reality, making the appearance of material reality a simulation created through shared beliefs?

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    I can't help but notice. We are going to be at war with China but just about all the goods I can buy in the US are from China. Still buying their trinkets but going to war...what a mockery. The sad truth is that most will believe it is organic and will be a righteous war, just like Ukraine,as long as it is someone else that is sent as cannon fodder.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    What seems odd is the sheer volume of chaos, subversion and indoctrination all happening right now worldwide. We all remember the impact of Yuri Bezmenov's presentations in 1984 and yet dont seem to recognise that the 4 stages of subversion may be taking their toll.

    Here is a link to a reminder of those stages and a video. I haven't appended it as it's quite long:
    https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

    Additionally, the British Parliament was found to have been infiltrated by a Chinese "spy" last year and 'actively interfering' in parliamentary business.


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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    The relation between the US and China is very intricate and highly secretive and I think very very few people know. If you know, then you probably know the big picture of the world. The reason is that China was targeted by the US or its deep state back in the 70s to be what it has become now. I remember very well what Kissenger said of China then, he said China would become a very powerful country in the 21st century. As a teenager I thought it impossible because the people in China were very poor, the country was in bad shape from the cultural revolution and also nothing remotely indicated this. In retrospect, Kissenger must have known the design, the new world order design back then of which China is plays an important part.

    Judging from some events, and more so in the past three covid years, I think China is at least half controlled by forces without. So to say China has controlled much of the US political circle is not accurate, the opposite might be more true.

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Still buying their trinkets but going to war...what a mockery.
    That reminded me of part of a song lyric by Randy California (Spirit) regarding the military strike at Pearl Harbor...
    "The next day we bought Datsuns and Sonys"

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    What about this perspective ?

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1545411
    Watching now Vicus - David Icke never fails to deliver. Thank you.

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    Default Re: The US vs China: a hypothesis

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    [...]
    So here's the hypothesis.

    China has fully infiltrated the US at the highest level. (Canada too, but that's less important.) So for "the US", we might substitute [China*].

    What might be planned, then, is [China*] vs China. Like a staged WWF wrestling match.

    And China wins. After all — China can't actually defeat the US, which it almost certainly wishes to do and has planned for for decades, unless there's actually a war. And now the war has been announced.
    [...]
    Bill! You conspiracy theorist!... well, according to Kim Goguen, it's all real... well, it was planned that way until very recently

    Check this post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1545757

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    Since about 2014, I’ve had this crazy reoccurring dream that I’m visiting some friends i have in New York and get caught up in a situation like Red Dawn (the 2012 film version)

    I’m embarrassed to admit it’s been enough to put me off booking to go visit ever since.
    With so many double bluffs going on, it feels like absolutely anything is possible.

    Is the increasing unrest (between ‘super powers) genuine (Ukraine/Russia, USA/China) and there is two factions rallying for world dominance, or is there really just one (and they’re all working together) with the guise of world war being a way to reduce the population and usher in the one world government so long talked about?

    I can’t quite decide, but I do know regardless…us the people are just seen as mere collateral in their perverse quest to rule the world
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    It seems all the clowns wear masonic apron and work for the same circus ,although they maintain an act that they dont . Clowns occasionally fight each other to get more personal power over the circus but largely it seems they all follow the script . If they dont they get replaced by a clown who will .Alot of clowns belong to one fraction or another and they might scheme against other clowns . Because those clowns are all materialistic and selfish they are all concerned with having more than they already have while also not losing what they got. Mainly they rob the audience but on occasions they rob from other clowns also ,both wealth and power.
    In China it seems there are 2 main fractions of clowns who dont get along,Beijing and Shanghai.They been beefing over power and backstabbing each other for quite some time. One seem to be in the boat with globalists who want to turn this world into a giant circus which they control,maybe collectively. That other fraction seems it does not want to jump in that globalist circus,unless they get to run the show .

    The audience in the west is a bit brighter than in the east,they are harder to fool and control . That seems why it is in the script that 2 circuses will start to fight each other ,main goal would be to wipe out the audience of one circus and replace it with a more suitable one,and in the end make one giant circus where a large group of clowns will maintain their illusions over audience.

    When the US Congress approved 125 million dollars in aid to Chiang Kai-shek in 1948, Truman made sure it never got there and that Chiang was beaten by Mao Zedong's red troops. Chiang's troops were constantly being diminished. The American aid to the freemason Mao Zedong(member of The Grand Oriend lodge) went through Moscow from 1945 onwards (William T. Still, "New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies", Lafayette, Louisiana, 1990, p. 172).
    The People's Republic of China was proclaimed on 1 October 1949, largely because of to the aid to Mao. The aid to Chiang had stopped and he no longer had fuel for his tanks or ammunition. He had to give way to the communists (Michael J. Goy, "The Missing Dimension in World Affairs", South Pasadena, 1976, p. 103).
    All this was planned already during the Potsdam conference in the summer of 1945. For understandable reasons the United States wished to hide its role in this process. This was confirmed by Owen Lattimore, a Johns Hopkins University professor specializing in China and Asia, Roosevelt's key advisor on China policy, and adviser to Chiang Kai-shek: "The problems was how to allow them [China] to fall without making it look as if the United States had pushed them." (Gary Allen, "None Dare Call it Conspiracy", Seal Beach, California, 1972, p.76)


    The secret masonic society led by Sun Yatsen, which had grown out of the Chinese renaissance swore an oath, when its members were exiled in Hawaii, to return to China and topple the Qing dynasty.
    Just in 1903, the freemasons on twenty-five different occasions tried to bring down the Manchurian Empire; the following year there were ninety attempts, and in 1905 they tried eighty-five times. The Chinese government successfully defended itself for eight years.
    The freemasonry tried at the same pace until 10 October 1911, when several secret societies (among them Tongmengui) in Wuchang started its Xianhai Revolution (meaning "year of the pig). The freemasons led by Sun Yatsen proclaimed a republic in Nanking on 1 January 1912. The commander-in-chief Yuan Shikai forced in connection with this incident the Qing dynasty, which had ruled China for 268 years, to abdicate on 12 February 1912. Yan himself became president.


    The Northern Lodge of China, No. 570, was founded in Shanghai in 1849. Later, the Chinese branch of freemasonry was to become very powerful. A new grand lodge was opened in the Shanghai Masonic Temple on 18 March 1949 with large numbers of invitations issued to representatives from other lodges. After the proclamation of the Peoples Republic of China, most of the lodges carried on their activities as if nothing had happened. Most of them, however, had moved to Hong Kong for reasons of safety. In 1962, the Chinese Ministry of the Interior expressed a wish that the lodges register in the same way as other organizations. The freemasons were unwilling to publicise lists of their members, and thus preferred to move to
    either Hong Kong or Taiwan. According to masonic sources, the members were not persecuted in communist China. This was probably due to the fact that freemasons were active in the very highest ranks of the government (as advisers among other things).

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    The relation between the US and China is very intricate and highly secretive and I think very very few people know. If you know, then you probably know the big picture of the world. The reason is that China was targeted by the US or its deep state back in the 70s to be what it has become now. I remember very well what Kissenger said of China then, he said China would become a very powerful country in the 21st century. As a teenager I thought it impossible because the people in China were very poor, the country was in bad shape from the cultural revolution and also nothing remotely indicated this. In retrospect, Kissenger must have known the design, the new world order design back then of which China is plays an important part.

    Judging from some events, and more so in the past three covid years, I think China is at least half controlled by forces without. So to say China has controlled much of the US political circle is not accurate, the opposite might be more true.
    Thank you Syrwong. I think your perspective is not far off the mark. I too remember Kissinger’s speeches – and for the interested observer, it was clear that this whole Kissinger-engineered rapprochement with China was part of a master plan.

    I am studying again the last decade of the life of a writer whom I have admired since he died, Yukio Mishima. Quite interestingly, in Japan of that time, the nationalists, or culturalists (like Mishima), who almost all defended the transformation of the Japanese “upgraded policing forces” (that had been allowed by their American conqueror) into a full-fledged army, were, in their criticism of the US occupation, joined by liberalist circles (who had been governing Japan in close “collaboration” with the occupier (cf. the Adenauer era chancellors – and, as we have learnt, up to present-day chancellors of Germany)) in feeling betrayed by the Kissinger-Nixon tandem welding close ties with Mao. The Japanese leading politicians were not amused and pressed a little more tightly on the gas to intensify and accelerate the Japanese economic rise to position nr.2 and hopefully to 1. The United States did not appreciate and practically hurled Japan into continuous stagflation through financial war in the 90s. That was the moment when I understood that they would only leave their hegemonic position if everybody else did – in thermonuclear war.

    In the 20th century it was then the turn of "Old Europe” as Rumsfeld used to say: the Euro, etc. etc. and finally breaking off it the United Kingdom even at the price of the latter’s further dive into Albionic oblivion. Achieving the whole thing in Ukraine, and at the same time (hopefully, for them) weakening Russia. In parallel, China has grown to the level of what Kissinger predicted, and will now face a Japan World War II scenario combined with a Japan in the 90s scenario.

    Maybe, Syrwong, it will even resemble the Japan scenarios very closely. We now know that the US top levels knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour in order to break through the economic blockade. (And maybe the Japanese leadership knew that they knew.) The “real deciders” may soon foresee (and welcome) a Chinese assault on Taiwan to preclude a blockade-in-the-making – and the Chinese leadership will very well know that they know.

    It is only when history repeats itself a third time that it becomes a farce.

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    I can see it that all the systems have been coopted by the MECHANICAL OCTUPUS OF HELL. Red China versus Blue China is an interesting hypothesis. Both are tentacles and both hideous antithesis to all they say is their "purpose". This war is ancient. People describe it as the ultimate mafia which makes the machinery run by promoting every ill. But its a stupid one who thinks it can be "managed" so only certain ones are destroyed. The posion is everywhere now. This is murder and mayhem writ clearly in our faces. Vaccines are a part of the murder and mayhem. Chemicals everywhere poisoning the air, earth and water are too.

    I could despair if I was a materialist believing in just this plane. It still boggles my mind that the middle beurocratic people have known and gone along for EVER with murder and mayhem. The assault has now reached the ocean depths and the stratosphere.

    It COULD be that human beings created this monster? Maybe it is an Egregore even? The octupus is an EVIL monster and HATES LIFE. Is the problem ESSENTIALLY that we hate ourselves?

    People have been keeping it going that is certain.... That fact makes me suspect this has always been a spiritual war and once people stopped believing in their "souls" they were taken over by destruction.

    It seems impossible to overcome the octupus with all its tentacles? It seems completely overwhelming to me at this point. There is probably no where to run and I doubt prepping will work in any really meaningful way. It has been suggested that those with great stores of goods are storing them just so the democidal state can access them later?

    So again I am chiming in with appeal to those who recall themselves. We are NOT just bodies and we have not used that idea much at all. How often do we really really believe that the FORCE is real and that there is a Divine that is beyond all the material BUT that is enmeshed in every particle of this existence. I wonder if there is a REAL opponent who will save the day WHEN we decide we are on the side of the Divine LIFE FORCE and demand of this power to intervene? We won't know peace until we are peace itself?

    I may be mistaken but I do feel convinced. Fighting a war against such an ancient foe who always won seems impossible. I will love a peace that I have HEARD is a actually a realm. This Place is just beyond the bands of an infernal frequency.

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