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    Quote Posted by Jaak (here)
    In China it seems there are 2 main fractions of clowns who dont get along,Beijing and Shanghai.They been beefing over power and backstabbing each other for quite some time. One seem to be in the boat with globalists who want to turn this world into a giant circus which they control,maybe collectively. That other fraction seems it does not want to jump in that globalist circus,unless they get to run the show .

    That perhaps is close to the mark. Let us take it that there is probably a ~15% minority in any place who would gladly sell their country to "globalism", as long as it enriches them, personally. China is no exception, those people are there too.

    Quote The audience in the west is a bit brighter than in the east,they are harder to fool and control .

    That seems quite stray from the mark. Most Chinese are very well-informed. The audience in the west, currently, resembles a puppet of globalist Nazism. The west is unaware of its own lack of identity.

    Here are things that are not forgotten:

    By the 1600s, the Ming Empire had decided that China does not need to expand any more, or take over the world. It was simply so big, the world would come to it. At the time, they rejected "clockmaker technology" as not having any spiritual value. Notice there is no such thing as a religion of European origin. They steal and re-cast things.


    By the 1700s, Europeans were kicked out. Same as from most other places. Political meddling. They were banned and have since been known as "barbarians" or "hairy apes". Btw, Mexicans also call us "hairy apes", or at least that is what they call me.

    So, if the money-grubbing marshmallows of ca. WWII are supposed to be "important" I would suggest they are an aberrant blip in history, a bug about to go smash against the windshield.

    By now, we have donated most of our "clockmaker technology" for their convenience. A single Chinese city outpaces the industrial production of the entire United States. The U. S. can no longer achieve a little proxy war like Syria or Ukraine, or, Afghanistan, I guess they got their tails handed to them. And China has attempted this when?

    The States had undue influence from ca. 1940-2000 mostly via dirty tricks and a lot of hot air. Nothing viable or sustainable. It's over.

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    ... here is a prelude to the next post: The US is a Communist Country

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    The Demonrats are a Communist Party.

    The GOP are their facilitators.

    Read these Communist plans from 1919 and tell me they haven't been realized.
    Communist Rules for Revolution
    by Harold Byler

    T
    he allied forces discovered a copy of these "Rules" in May, 1919, at Dusseldorf, Germany. They were first printed in the United States in the Bartlesville (Oklahoma) Examiner-Enterprise that same year, 1919. Almost 30 years later, in 1946, the Attorney General of Florida obtained them from a known member of the Communist Party USA, who acknowledged that these "Rules" were then still a part of the Communist program for the United States. They are as follows:
    1. Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial. Destroy their ruggedness.

    2. Get control of all means of publicity.

    3. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, and other trivialities.

    4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.

    5. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule, and obloquy.

    6. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.

    7. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit and produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.

    8. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders, and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.

    9. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues, honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, and ruggedness.

    10. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the populace helpless.


    Communist organizer, Saul Alinsky, was a long-time friend of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Alinski wrote two books that influenced those in political control of our nation today: "Rules for Radicals" and "Reveille for Radicals". Hillary did her college thesis on his writings, and Obama wrote about him in his books. Alinski wrote about "How to create a Socialist State", and simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by Communism under Russian rule. He stated that there are eight levels of control that must be obtained to create a Socialist State, with the first being the most important:
    1. Healthcare --- Control healthcare and you control the people.

    2. Poverty --- Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3. Debt --- Increase the debt to an unsustainable level... that way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4. Gun Control --- Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State.

    5. Welfare --- Take control of every aspect of people's lives...(Food, Housing and Income).

    6. Education --- Take control of what people read and what people listen to - take control of what children learn in school.

    7. Religion --- Remove the belief in God from schools and the government.

    8. Class Warfare --- Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.
    These rules are still in effect and demonstrate how much the Democrat Party has been corrupted by the illegal Communist Party USA to follow these rules. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." These "Useful Idiots" have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. Funded by communist, Hungarian billionaire George Soros, it is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.


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    ... here is the meat of the 100 year's plan:

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    CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:15] [Kimberly]
    Chinese Deep State End Game

    This is the reason for the war in Ukraine. This is their plan for Russia.

    This is what ALL militaries are working toward whether they know it or not.

    THIS IS the planned New World Order and border changes.

    China is behind the Russians, China is behind the Ukraine, China is behind the Israeli's, the Syrians, the Americans, China RUNS the US Government in totality at this moment.

    The only thing they are missing is MONEY/Monetary CONTROL.

    This was a 100 year plan.

    The Asian Federation at the helm of all the other Federations.

    This will NEVER HAPPEN.

    7 world currencies is their plan.
    CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:17] [Kimberly]
    We are NOT under a "threat" from China that is not a real statement. Trump was in on it. China has been running American Politics for DECADES.
    CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:22] [Kimberly]
    What is Blackwater's (by any other name) Private Military Group's involvement in Ukraine. Did you know they are owned by The Chinese Deep State? They are Americans, but they are FULLY bought and paid for by a Chinese Fund. This article is old, and he DENY's all knowledge of a "training base" but that is a LIE. They grabbed themselves a bunch of arabs and built an ISIS training base in China so the Chinese Deep State could take over the Middle East. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1PQ4FJ
    CARE General Updates Channel, [09-Mar-23 14:32] [Kimberly]
    I KNOW people are focused on this politician or that politician be it in America or New Zealand and all parts in between. It doesn't matter as the Order CONTROLS every order, every bill, every law and they decided the Chinese section of the Order would be next after the Americans. Therefore you may see someone "running your country" but what you are hearing/seeing is a bunch of Asian Deep state narratives.
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    ... so, take 1919, ad a century to it and... what does one get?



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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Friends, this is so speculative that I considered posting it under Express Yourself. But I've been thinking about this for a while. There's ton of stuff regarding China that appears to make very little sense at first glance. All one appears to see are paradoxes and contradictions.

    I don't want to write a book here. Or even a long essay or a long post, and so I'll assume that readers are up to speed with most of the major geopolitical developments regarding China.

    And I'll also assume that readers know about all the accumulating evidence that suggests that China has heavily infiltrated decision-making politicians and institutions in both the US and Canada. The southern border, fentanyl, and far far more.

    And the latest weird thing, that appeared so very anomalous to myself and many others, is that all of a sudden it's been announced — like the promotion of a new movie! — that the US will be at war with China by 2025.

    Huh?? When have we ever announced a forthcoming war before... especially when there's ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY SUCH SUICIDAL THING.

    So here's the hypothesis.

    China has fully infiltrated the US at the highest level. (Canada too, but that's less important.) So for "the US", we might substitute [China*].

    What might be planned, then, is [China*] vs China. Like a staged WWF wrestling match.

    And China wins. After all — China can't actually defeat the US, which it almost certainly wishes to do and has planned for for decades, unless there's actually a war. And now the war has been announced.

    For the optics and influence over the global south, China has to present itself as the good guy, the innocent party. So it's [China*] that's declaring war, not China itself. Then China gets to be forced to defend its own interests (just as Russia is now) — and most of the world wins. The only planned and engineered loser is the US.

    It may all be choreographed. And if so, Biden and his handlers know it.

    Discuss.
    They actually announced it, WTF! F*ck.

    Bill, you nailed this, mate. That has got to be the best assesment of the global situation you've written so far. The only adjustment I'd personally make is that it wouldn't just be the US that loses, it would be the US and her allies.

    But I must end this post with a pertinent quote; if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    Ironically, if all those Chinese who bought private property in America knew law, they might expatriate and become sovereigns. That's one of the reasons why there are no laws barring foreigners from buying American property.
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    ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
    - - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
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    Imagine what would happen if a substantial amount of Chinese nationals became American sovereigns, and thus opposed to the oppression of the PROC. Oh, the burn...

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    If you watch the news about what is happening internally in China, many of the people who can afford to are leaving, and it's doubtful that's because they are going to be secret agents for China--they are just desperate to be elsewhere.
    Most of the people are still much too poor to get out, and are barely surviving.
    What China says it will do is probably much different from what it can actually do, as the CCP likes to paint a much different picture of how powerful they are than is actually the case--it's all about saving FACE.
    Finally, China has a huge Achilles Heel, which is the 3 Gorges Dam, and it would not take that much for it to fail, either by natural means or DEWs, and that would cause tremendous chaos there for quite some time to come.
    update: As to how well informed the Chinese people are (they're not--they get thrown in jail just for using a VPN Virtual Private Network), see: Guess We're Going To Jail - Episode #154 The China Show 4/1/23
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