I had "covid" in January 2020

[John Hilton]

Just for your interest:

I had "covid" symptoms in January 2020. At the time I hadn't heard of "covid" and assumed that I had flu. (I probably had.)

I was feverish, with myalgia from head to toe for about three days. I lost my sense of taste (but not my appetite) for a week. I had a dry cough for a fortnight until I took Cetirizine Hydrochloride 5mg per day for three days.

It didn't kill me. Luckily, at the time, I was already taking daily:

• Vitamin D3 10,000 IU (0.25 mg)
• Zinc 30 mg
• Vitamin K2 200 µg
• Magnesium Citrate 300 mg
• Vitamin C 1000 mg

[jaybee]

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welcome to Avalon Forum John Hilton....

I see you are flying the English flag but your location is Greece - as a matter of interest were you in England or Greece when you had 'it'....

I'm in England and I'm as sure as I can be that I had 'what-ever-it-is-that-was-called-Covid' at the beginning of December 2019 -

I even remarked at the time that I felt like I'd been hit with a biological weapon - the symptoms had an 'odd' feel about them starting with the most painful sore throat I've ever had then a few days later severe dizziness that I've never had before or since... developing into a horrible cough and congested lungs... I had to do steam inhalation with camphor oil in to shift the mucus and be able to breath properly...

I think it was seeded around the world in 2019 and early 2020 so that it looked like it was incredibly infectious - the very first stage of 'scaring the pants off people...'


edit to add.... oh yes and sense of smell and taste went but luckily came back around Christmas Eve so I could taste my Christmas Dinner...

further edit - I just changed the time I think it was seeded around the world as just remembered that in the middle of 2019 a friend knew someone who died in the local hospital from 'flu' and they said there was something strange going on with flu and it was being kept quiet..

[Brigantia]

There are 4 pages of replies to this thread about Covid being around in the autumn of 2019, from all around the world. I had it in November 2019 and I knew many people who had it also.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...-December-2019

[thepainterdoug]

Hello John Hilton and welcome. Did you get a covid test? how do you know it was covid. i had it or a bad flu in Jan 2020 Was nastly. Never got tested but had all the symptoms.
now my immune system says, been there, done that!

[Matthew]

Thanks for sharing. Other people I know who had it late 2019/early 2020 were hit very hard with it. So your mild symptoms are astonishing... credit to you imho. I think I might have had it last summer. I was inexplicably tired for about 24 hours, slept twice as much as I normally do. I put it down to pollen but thinking about it, it might have been a viral infection. But not a novel infection.

It didn't kill me. Luckily, at the time, I was already taking daily:
Vitamin D3 10,000 IU (0.25 mg)
Zinc 30 mg
Vitamin K2 200 µg
Magnesium Citrate 300 mg
Vitamin C 1000 mg

I didn't start a cocktail of those and a couple more until second quarter of 2020 when it was too late to guard me against a novel virus infection but I got lucky that time. I heard viral pandemics coincide with EMF infrastructure setups throughout recent history which got my attention. I was happy bumbling along with germ theory but I just don't care enough to hang onto it anymore

Welcome!

[Sue (Ayt)]

Something swept through our small town Dec. 2019 - Feb. 2020. Most everyone had a bad bout of "The weird flu" (as it was being called). Talk of covid was just starting in the press, but they were saying there were no cases in the US then, so everyone just went about having the flu as they had always done, although some felt extremely ill. When I got this flu, it got kind of scary at night laying down, as there was so much fluid in my lungs that I had to get up through the night and inhale through a steamer. I considered sleeping sitting up in an easy chair, but didn't, as the steamer worked well. I also took my "flu remedies" immediately when it started, including andrographis and NAC. I don't recall anyone hospitalized from it at that time, though, as no one really panicked. Most had had bouts of the flu before in their lives, so just dealt with it the way they always had. Although all felt it was "weird" and different than previously in various ways.

[John Hilton]

Hi, Doug. There was no "covid test" in Greece in Jan 2020. As I stated, it was probably just flu. I was 68 at the time and I had no upper respiratory tract infection and no sore throat. But it was the first "flu" I'd had in decades, so that was odd.

[John Hilton]

Hi, JB. I live in Greece. I haven't been to the UK for about 4 years. As one of the great unjabbed, I was not allowed to fly or even (here in Greece) enter a cafe or restaurant! In addition, the Greek government encouraged elderly citizens to take the jabs by offering to deduct a percentage of their pensions if they didn't! Thankfully, my pension comes from the UK and they couldn't touch it.

P.s. apologies for the tardy replies but I'm two hours ahead, which means that you all posted while I was in bed.

[jaybee]

Posted by John Hilton (here)
Hi, JB. I live in Greece. I haven't been to the UK for about 4 years. As one of the great unjabbed, I was not allowed to fly or even (here in Greece) enter a cafe or restaurant! In addition, the Greek government encouraged elderly citizens to take the jabs by offering to deduct a percentage of their pensions if they didn't! Thankfully, my pension comes from the UK and they couldn't touch it.

P.s. apologies for the tardy replies but I'm two hours ahead, which means that you all posted while I was in bed.

ok thanks - if you thought it was odd that it was the first time you had flu in decades I think because of the timing there's a high probability it was the~virus~thing~called~covid... and so going by that it was also in Greece before the so called rapid spread out of China? or Italy? (as Italy had the big drama used by the news outlets as a scarey hot spot...with ambulances screaming around )

Re threatening to deduct the elderly's pensions if they didn't get the jab.... that was extreme but shows how determined 'they' were to get as many jabbed as they could before people began to smell a rat...

[jaybee]

Posted by Matthew (here)
I heard viral pandemics coincide with EMF infrastructure setups throughout recent history which got my attention. I was happy bumbling along with germ theory but I just don't care enough to hang onto it anymore

I've looked before and tried to find it again after your comment -

.... from a link description that I can't use because I don't have Office...

The LEP area stretches from Bromsgrove, Kidderminster and Redditch in the north, ... Worcestershire hosted the UK's first 5G factory trial in 2019.

The possiblity of 5G trials being involved in the creation of the (fake) pandemic is still on the table, I think ... I live in the area mentioned above and the~virus~thing~called~covid swept through my town at the end half of 2019 - if the whole thing is a pack of lies from beginning to end ..... who knows .....

and they have never actually isolated the 'virus'.... everything was/is based on computer modelling...

[Miller]

Three of my friends had it in December 2019 (all unknown to each other and located in different parts of the country (Middlesbrough, Southend and Wimbledon), two of whom were hospitalised over Christmas. Fortunately they all made complete recoveries but all said they'd never felt so ill in their lives). The friend from Wimbledon had been working abroad the week before and came through a very busy Heathrow. Another friend caught it from hospital in January 2020 while she was having a knee operation. Hers developed into Long Covid and she's still not right now, 2+ years later, suffering with fatigue and leg pain. 😥

[Ernie Nemeth]

I cannot be certain but I think my wife had or has covid. Because of her many co-morbidities it is hard to say. I suspect it because she had and still has all the symptoms. I've never told her my suspicion.

She came down with it in early March, 2020.

I've posted about it. At the time the clues pointed to other, more obvious causes I won't go into here.

I've never been tested but I know I had it back in the first wave. It was bad but 5 days later I was fine - a little weak for a while but I fully recovered.

My wife has been tested countless times and she has never had a test come back positive. Go figure, I can't.

[Brigantia]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)
I heard viral pandemics coincide with EMF infrastructure setups throughout recent history which got my attention. I was happy bumbling along with germ theory but I just don't care enough to hang onto it anymore

I've looked before and tried to find it again after your comment -

.... from a link description that I can't use because I don't have Office...

The LEP area stretches from Bromsgrove, Kidderminster and Redditch in the north, ... Worcestershire hosted the UK's first 5G factory trial in 2019.

The possiblity of 5G trials being involved in the creation of the (fake) pandemic is still on the table, I think ... I live in the area mentioned above and the~virus~thing~called~covid swept through my town at the end half of 2019 - if the whole thing is a pack of lies from beginning to end ..... who knows .....

and they have never actually isolated the 'virus'.... everything was/is based on computer modelling...

Before this, there was the 'Spanish flu' epidemic after the First World War. That coincided with an increase in the use of electricity in homes and workplaces.

[Ioneo]

Anyone interested in the connections between 'the flu' and electricity should read The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur Firstenberg.

A very informative and compelling book that shows how every time a big 'Flu' outbreak happens it coincides with the roll out of electricity, radio technology and microwave technology.

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
I think it was seeded around the world in 2019 and early 2020 so that it looked like it was incredibly infectious - the very first stage of 'scaring the pants off people...'

Do you have more to this hypothesis?


I am prone to say it was around the world, and China simply discovered it. Part of the reason is that sewage tests from Barcelona detected it as early as, I believe, 2019. Note that most places did not test that far back, and many of them did not maintain samples for more than about six months anyway. So we can't add much to this.

The "discovery" as far as I can tell was via what would be an understandably severe response to what was believed to have been Pneumonic Plague. This however is bacterial and can be treated, and then they became concerned because the patients did not respond to those treatments.

Yet, as we have seen, as soon as there was anything noticed in Wuhan, our Defense shared the tip of a "pandemic" with a handful of other countries. At just about the exact time, some private English business people knew it would be a good idea to order millions of surgical gowns, etc., from China, as if they knew they could foist them onto people through a no-compete government contract. Isn't that a little jumpy?

The other angle which is even more insidious is that we can show that for about five years, Dr. Baric and Pfizer had been developing mRNA vaccines, in a way that sounds speculative or just waiting for any reason to flood the market with this stuff.

Covid may have been a natural disease that popped up all over the place, generally indistinguishable from flu, and then the Chinese incident simply triggered a reaction for vaccine tech that was just looking for a way in the door.

The depth of Chinese involvement through the Bidens to more labs in Ukraine is pretty shady. It could be possible that they made something and intentionally "seeded" it, or even accidentally released it.

Seems a little odd that at one point we were covering all these overcrowded hospitals but everything faded away.

Yes, of course it is likely that it had been going around, and it is almost ridiculous to try to pinpoint one person as patient zero, as if was the first case ever.

[happyuk]

Posted by Ioneo (here)
Anyone interested in the connections between 'the flu' and electricity should read The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life by Arthur Firstenberg.

A very informative and compelling book that shows how every time a big 'Flu' outbreak happens it coincides with the roll out of electricity, radio technology and microwave technology.

Very good article from the Weston A Price Foundation on the very same topic of electricity and influenza (literally 'influence').

(Never vaxxed, never masked, never tested)

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)
I think it was seeded around the world in 2019 and early 2020 so that it looked like it was incredibly infectious - the very first stage of 'scaring the pants off people...'

Do you have more to this hypothesis?


I am prone to say it was around the world, and China simply discovered it. Part of the reason is that sewage tests from Barcelona detected it as early as, I believe, 2019. Note that most places did not test that far back, and many of them did not maintain samples for more than about six months anyway. So we can't add much to this.

re bolded - not really except that more info comes out as time goes by, that 'the~virus~thing~called~covid' was all around the world in 2019 (particularly the second half) - that's why I asked the thread starter where he was when he had flu for the first time in decades... and it was Greece....on this forum alone people from different countries report having a different, a weird flu in 2019... including myself in Dec 2019...

You have brought up another possibility that it was around the world naturally in 2019 and utilized - but that for me is a much lower possibility because the agenda that we see being played out now is too well planned and organized to be reliant on happy coincidences (happy for those wanting the Great Reset, depopulation, mass 'vaccination', one world dictatorship, CBDC etc...

The "discovery" as far as I can tell was via what would be an understandably severe response to what was believed to have been Pneumonic Plague. This however is bacterial and can be treated, and then they became concerned because the patients did not respond to those treatments.

Yet, as we have seen, as soon as there was anything noticed in Wuhan, our Defense shared the tip of a "pandemic" with a handful of other countries. At just about the exact time, some private English business people knew it would be a good idea to order millions of surgical gowns, etc., from China, as if they knew they could foist them onto people through a no-compete government contract. Isn't that a little jumpy?

The other angle which is even more insidious is that we can show that for about five years, Dr. Baric and Pfizer had been developing mRNA vaccines, in a way that sounds speculative or just waiting for any reason to flood the market with this stuff.

re last paragraph above... If the whole Covid Fiasco is part of a well planned agenda (which I believe it is) then it is perfectly logical and possible that this would be the case... and this could be why the Project Veritas exposé a while back hit them so hard - although the MSM response was 'nothing to see here' because they are a major part of the NWO agenda...

Covid may have been a natural disease that popped up all over the place, generally indistinguishable from flu, and then the Chinese incident simply triggered a reaction for vaccine tech that was just looking for a way in the door.

The depth of Chinese involvement through the Bidens to more labs in Ukraine is pretty shady. It could be possible that they made something and intentionally "seeded" it, or even accidentally released it.

Seems a little odd that at one point we were covering all these overcrowded hospitals but everything faded away.

Yes, of course it is likely that it had been going around, and it is almost ridiculous to try to pinpoint one person as patient zero, as if was the first case ever.

Yes the 'Patient Zero' thing is obviously just part of the yarn to add drama to the Official and False Narrative - it has all become more obvious as time goes by but when it first started and I had that odd flu that felt like I had been hit with a biological weapon for a while I thought the UK MIGHT have been hit with a biological weapon from another country..... then the whole thing started to unravel.....

The origins of the odd flu and subsequent Plandemic, might be purely along biological lines (made in a lab) and indeed Ukraine could be a part of that - or it could be connected to advanced technology like 5G.... or a combination of both and Ukraine could perhaps be part of that as well...as it turns out -

You said about sewage testing in Barcelona in 2019 - well if it was around Spain during 2019 this would make sense - but as for testing we now know this is one of the main supportive pillars of lies of the whole thing and that the PCR test is a sham - and can be manipulated to show anything - the inventor Kary Mullis said it could not be used to find viruses and that taken through enough cycles it could find anything... Kary Mullis conveniently died in August 2019... (go figure, as they say...) - the sham test for the sham virus...

I subscribe to the Pack of Lies from beginning to end hypothesis... but unravelling the lies can get a bit complicated because the cover stories and distractions are many....

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
You have brought up another possibility that it was around the world naturally in 2019 and utilized - but that for me is a much lower possibility because the agenda that we see being played out now is too well planned and organized to be reliant on happy coincidences (happy for those wanting the Great Reset, depopulation, mass 'vaccination', one world dictatorship, CBDC etc...

Fair enough. I'm not going to say there is a strong case for "this is natural".

Of course, I would already be suspicious about human involvement with AIDS and most outbreaks of new and weird flus that have come out during my lifetime.

Between the two possibilities, I personally do not understand biology well enough to make any kind of useful decision. I am more inclined to adhere to something that for instance is published in a peer-reviewed journal. For instance I have found information of this caliber for the autopsy of King John VI Portugal. His heart contained enough arsenic to kill two people. This has been alleged for centuries, of course nothing was ever done about it. But true.

In my view the "vaccine regime" has stepped in to replace the "cancer regime". I think there is a high degree of intentionality and contempt in what goes on.


So I would just say it is prudent to exercise supreme caution towards what may be called distinct proof of human work.

You said about sewage testing in Barcelona in 2019 - well if it was around Spain during 2019 this would make sense - but as for testing we now know this is one of the main supportive pillars of lies of the whole thing and that the PCR test is a sham -

I meant to say March, 2019.

Yes it is a minor conundrum, the lab said they double checked the results and it was a small but detectable trace.

But, if the test was anyone's definition of the presence of Covid, then, most likely, it was out before it was said to be out, according to their own definition.


If I was in the driver's seat having anything to do with an intentional release, it would seem like Wuhan would be the last place on earth I would want anyone to hear about. It has an openly-discussed American project on this same stuff, mainly a bat coronavirus, and that just sounds like a stupid risk to be taking. There must be somewhere in China that does not have an American virus lab.

Does that represent a misfire? Why would I pick such an obviously suspicious place??

Or, what exactly happened in China that was different from anywhere else the disease had already been seeded? If they were one among many...how come no one else started having emergencies until later?

I did not pay any attention to the "discovery" or anything until the "epidemic" was going to "affect my life". The reason that got my attention was because it was not realistic, it sounded to me like an abuse of power underway, which is exactly what happened.

I believe a man can be shot while riding in an open convertible, but you go up in a window and imagine pulling off the shot that Oswald supposedly took at a moving target.

I did not believe the WTC buildings could just be "destroyed" into their own footprint in about the way I did not see this as The Plague.

I would tend to agree that the idea that Covid was not completely natural and was in fact in multiple areas before being discovered holds water.

The possibility of exposing Wuhan so the Americans can prove their innocence might have been a good cover-up from it having originated in, for example, Ukraine.

Part of the reason for saying that is because the activity at the virus center was not that hard to find out about, and the ability of them to have done it is remarkably dim. I actually think they did not make it there. On the other hand, roving vaccines going around looking for a purpose, that is what they were doing.

If one was able to release a virus, I suppose you could put a low level in many areas and then bomb Wuhan so there would be a certain level of reality to it. One Chinese doctor makes it in Ukraine, and another one discovers it back in China.

No one has ever explained to me about all the ambulances. Not in terms of how sick these people really are. How many of them are so bad off that they really would benefit from ICU, especially with a vastly different set of procedures than was used. I understand that all these millions are slightly sick or test positive or something. But how much of that was physically necessary.

Another angle I found is that the timing actually does line up to the opioid lawsuits. These had been booted around for ten years and it was looking that certain powerful states like New York were not going to settle. And you look at how much came out in terms of settlements. And then you look at the terms of those settlements, and, you find a pretty big payout, however, it is extended over time, and that is because the payments are dependent on their future projected earnings.

Isn't that profit insurance??

Just because it is the same industry, and, in some cases, the same companies of brought to you by Covid, this insurance, plus, the armed robbery consisting of many billions direct from the taxpayers, is remarkable. Oh, and free rides for experimental injections.

So far I have not seen anything that really proves Covid came from Ukraine, but, what has been found is miserable enough.

I would tend to suspect it might be from somewhere in that league of operations, but, without a confession, would seem extremely difficult to find out.

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)
Or, what exactly happened in China that was different from anywhere else the disease had already been seeded? If they were one among many...how come no one else started having emergencies until later?

you might be interested in this article that I just put on another thread... an interview with Andrew Bridgen MP a very brave politician who is speaking up about what's going on - he made an important speech yesterday to a virtually empty House of Commons (see Turmoil in the UK thread for video of Bridgen's speech if you're interested)...

https://expose-news.com/2023/01/02/c...eapon-says-mp/

Member of the UK Parliament Andrew Bridgen told NHS100K that global elites conspired to keep coronavirus secret for months, before exaggerating its severity to impose restrictions.

He said security services had known about the virus in the summer of 2019, months before its official identification, and were advised not to take any Covid “vaccines” or tests. He added that Covid was engineered to be a bioweapon and less harmful than the public was led to believe.

{article snipped}

“There’s clear evidence [ ] that the virus was circulating in Europe in the summer of 2019 … I’ve seen some evidence which is unequivocal, some cancer biopsy samples which were taken at the end of August 2019 … from Italy … about 15% [of the samples] were infected with Covid-19,” Mr. Bridgen said. He has also been told that an analysis of sewage samples in London showed that Covid was circulating in the autumn of 2019. But, “the hospitals weren’t overflowing and people were not dying in the streets,” he said.

shaberon...

So far I have not seen anything that really proves Covid came from Ukraine, but, what has been found is miserable enough.

I would tend to suspect it might be from somewhere in that league of operations, but, without a confession, would seem extremely difficult to find out.

I suppose if we look at where the BIG RED ARROW has been pointing ... for the public to see what 'they' want us to see... that would be China, Wuhan and Fort Detrick .... NOT Ukraine....

Perhaps that's why they don't mind all 'gain of function' stuff being discussed over and over... because it keeps the China/Wuhan/USA firmly in the mind of the public... .. NOT Ukraine....

[syrwong]

A Chinese friend came from Sydney and stayed in Hong Kong for two months, Nov-Dec 2019. He was already quite ill with coughs boarding the plane and very weak pulling the luggage home. When I met him a few days later I was surprised he got so weak that he could not walk for long. He was a Kung Fu man indirectly related to Bruce Lee, his master was a pupil of YeMan. He had tough body and could easily beat younger men. That made it more unbelievable but we thought it was a bad flu. He stayed in my place several times, all the time coughing rather badly. I finally got infected. I did not feel too bad and treated myself with MMS. I got over on the fourth day. I thought it was really a bad flu since I could usually get well in two days with MMS. I gave him MMS but he did not trust it. He went to see a doctor rather late and was diagnosed as pneumonia. He continued his treatment in Australia but did not improve much. Then he began to take MMS at the same time and mostly recovered after another 3 months. I told him in spring that his was covid and that the then Australian prime minister said Australia's covid originated from the US, and had nothing to do with China. Of course, like Johnson's early saying that Britain could deal it with herd immunity, all these were ignored. A big theater we are living in.