Kim Goguen is a dangerous fraud

[bobme]

Slow down A BIT peeps here. Emotions,and opinions are taking over the thread here.

onawah, you started the thread, yes? Yet you stated towards the end of it, you were not going to spend too much time here following through with it. Me thinks your emotions,as well as others, are beginning to set in as absolute ideal beliefs, of a more rational stand back and observe mode.

There are many alt media people, who are quite popular and followed by many, that in my view, only is what comes out of my but, when I sit on the toilet, and do number two.

I can only surmise we all can see what we, personally can see at this moment in time.

No judgement, or feelings of right, so all must be wrong with me, or others that may doubt me. I say, nothing is wrong with those who do not agree with me.

so, just suggesting here, knock it the hell off?

[Sue (Ayt)]

At the moment, I don't see that Kim is running any scams to get a lot of cash from people. Am I missing something?

All I see right now is that some people are subscribing to a paid subscription for news and various videos, most of it rather upbeat, good news and how-to type content. But that is pretty upfront and by choice, as many services offer paid subscriptions.
Is she scamming people of cash now in some way? (of course her claims are open for discernment, just like all the others)

[onawah]

When I said I will not be spending a lot of time on this thread, I didn't mean that I was going to abandon it, but I am not making it a big priority as I have other things and other issues to attend to, and frankly, the subject matter is very distasteful.
Of course, not everyone will agree --on most anything, for that matter, and I don't expect that to change.
But it may come close, eventually, just as most of us agree now that Wilcock, Goode and Parkes are frauds.
So I'm not in a hurry; I just wanted it to get started.
As for the argument that she may not be scamming a whole lot of people NOW for a lot of money, I think that's yet to be determined.
But, forgive me, it sure doesn't seem like a good argument for not investigating, considering that it's pretty clear that she HAS done so in the past!

Here are a couple more recent videos from Bubba:
In this one, she talks about her website being hacked by Bubba's team and Ripoff.com, which is pretty funny since she claims to be a world class quantum computer genius and one of the most powerful people in the world:

Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/uVpqqP93ye8/


(BTW, here is Ripoff.com's website where there are lots more videos debunking Goguen: https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports...-fraud-1473230)
If it's true that you can assess people by the company they keep, here's another podcast from the Bubba Team about some of her associates:
Kim Goguen | INTEL | HER THREE STOOGES
THE TEAM BUBBA PODCAS
"If you were the guardian of global assets and ground commander of earth
Would you honestly employ these village idiots to use your name and be your spokes person ?
Thomas Williams, Steffen Rowe (aka Tank) and Dand Lutz."
Here it is on Bitchute in case youtube takes it down

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wb7rXQtvk0M

And lots more along those lines here:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/itkGWgjlQqxm/

[onawah]

Posting this one again with more details, as it is introducing a new series from the Bubba Team about some of Gogeun's various claims and the lack of evidence proving any of them. (He also apologizes for once having been taken in by her tall tales himself.)
Kim Goguen | INTEL | A Pack Of Lies Series - Preview
THE TEAM BUBBA PODCAST
2.39K subscribers
1,009 views Premiered Aug 6, 2022

"List of Kim's lies/no evidence
Kim executed Marduk
UPU (Aliens) protecting Earth.
Queen of the Drako (marduk sibling)
Universal Council
Peace treaty among indigenous tribes & the Draco (Kangaroo skin)
Kim cleared the Bunkers of gold, gems, and Technology assets.
Kim Healing and advanced technology
Kim claims she is in possession of the 3rd nuclear missile codes globally and that no Nukes can be launched without her code.
Kim & Thomas J Melville have Majestic level security clearance
Ultra Top-Secret documents (Roswell) presented in a THI show.
Kim gave these documents to Thomas Williams for his shows
These documents turned out to be already on the internet, in fact Linda Moulton Howe & Heather Wade posted them back in 2017.
The last battle (cabal defeated)
Hierarchy/structure of those in power (Circular Genealogy chart)
Trust (Sovereign, Manna)
Kim took out Ninja Assassins
Meetings with world leaders
Quantum Computer
Kim’s declaration about her DNA being a 99% match to the original female known as Eve
K.I.M.S banking and security systems
Funding for humanitarian projects around the world. Life Force
Has criminal evidence on core Team Bubba members "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-MSefCyDkwU

This video, part 1 in the series, is concerning the death of Marduk (reputed by some to have been a son of the Draconian ruler Annu).
Bubba cites several different versions Kim has claimed about this, each more ridiculous than the last, but all contradicting each other.

Not what I would call entertaining, but certainly ridiculous.
Speaking for myself, her story about being attacked by Marduk in the form of a 14 foot tall dragon in the Kremlin, in the presence of his brothers Enlil and Enki --would have convinced me of her being a very sick pathological liar right then and there.
Or perhaps some kind of mind-controlled victim or well paid shill of some kind of psyop.
Though it's hard to understand what the goal would be, other than just to dumb people down.
In any case, it beggars belief how anyone could ever believe any of it, imho.

(It's very sad to me seeing Kerry who used to be such a good investigative journalist, ever being caught up in this mess.)

Apparently Goguen has claimed that she killed Marduk herself, but at other times that he met his end in other ways.
She can't seem to keep her stories straight, though no doubt she would have some kind of ridiculous explanation for that as well...

Kim Goguen | INTEL | A Pack Of Lies PART 1 - DID KIM MURDER MARDUK?
THE TEAM BUBBA PODCAST
2.39K subscribers
1,126 views Premiered Aug 19, 2022

"Kim needs to get her stories straight, especially the one about her killing her so called predecessor MARDUK, who she calls M.
The story started with Kim, Ava Cowan, & Magen Martinez witnessing M being executed along with 150 other species.
Then it changed to source that did it.
Then a group of the others murdered M.
Last of of all, she claims to have decapitated his head and ripped out his heart. "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Iv6vJTGtBoQ

[onawah]

Here's some more nonsense that was posted by one of Goguen's former stooges Thomas Williams (provided by Team Bubba) about how Goguen was appointed the new Intermin Head of State a few years ago.
Note the catalogue of products she was selling at the time--rather odd for the prospective new Intermin Head of State to be doing, yes?

Kim Goguen is now Interim Head of State.
THE TEAM BUBBA PODCAST
2.39K subscribers
13,880 views Feb 1, 2021

"Thomas Williams still has a sour taste is his mouth regarding his old Scamming partner Kim.
He hates the thought of Kim using Steffen Rowe (Tank) as her right hand man and Manna World Holding Trust spokesman
Thomas cleverly picks fault of Kim's latest bull****, and each time it's a statement or question.
It's more down to jealousy.
It must hurt him each time he looks at her merchandise pages. the cash she charges for those cheap products is rather impressive."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vCAsqIHvPO4

[edina]

Posted by bobme (here)
Slow down A BIT peeps here. Emotions,and opinions are taking over the thread here.

Hi bobme, I didn't notice any emotions running high on this thread. I know they are not with me.
Usually, when onawah has a strong emotional reaction about anything I have written, I feel it. She can be quite energetically intense at times. I didn't feel anything of such nature from her.

I also didn't sense any harsh critical judgement. Feeling quite peaceful here. I hope you are, too.

[edina]

Posted by edina (here)
Maybe you can do a bit of research on Team Bubba and let us know what you learn about Team Bubba, as well?

When I posed this question it wasn't to derail this thread.

Anyone who has followed Kim's work for any length of time is aware of Team Bubba. Kim herself addresses him and his accusations at times, because people stumble across him and ask her about it.

I think if you want to run a negative thread on Kim, and your primary source for that thread is possibly dubious, you ought to know. If you feel fine that he is a trustworthy source then continue to use him. This can become the Barry Biggum claiming to take down Kim Goguen thread.

I've never been able to find out his real name, unless Barry Biggum is his real name. The best I can tell, he was a member at THI and had a bit of a falling out there. He initially went after Thomas Williams, and then started adding other people related to or around Thomas in his vendetta blog posts, FB groups and videos.

It looks like at first that he tried to start a spin-off group from Thomas's THI. Much like some people try to start spin-off forums after they've had a falling out with Bill Ryan. But it didn't really take off.

A bit after that he had more success getting a following by posting negative stuff on Thomas, and it has spun out from there. I've seem him harass a few people on FB simply because they had a friendship with Kim, or Thomas, or whoever else he decides to take vengeance on.

There have been some dark rumors about him, as well. I can't say if there's any truth to those rumors. However, I have noticed that he stops posting when it's been reported that's he's in jail. Then, after a bit he comes back, and starts again.

The people he attacks in his videos/posts are real people using their real names. We don't know who he is, at least, I don't. He attacks from anonymity.

He states that Kim was in Florida and met Thomas in a mental institution. When I researched Kim, I found that she was living in Arizona at the time, going through a divorce from her previous husband. She received custody of her daughter. I don't think that would have happened if she had been in a mental institution.

And Kim's daughter is a real human being. Kim's family is real. Barry Biggum, in his personal vendetta against Thomas, Kim and others related to Thomas, has actually posted something online that I feel puts Kim's daughter at risk. He has made menacing, threatening statements that sound almost stalkerish to me.

Most of the people who have "debunked" Kim have done so by associating her with the NESARA/GESARA topic. However, people who have actually listened to her, know that she has repeatedly and consistently said that won't happen and has actively discouraged people from buying into to those sorts of scams.

Kim's opinion is pretty much the same as Catherine Austin Fitts in that regard. She often directs people to CAF to better understand the financial situation in the world. So when people use the NESARA/GERSARA as a base for debunking Kim, they just come off as uninformed to people who are familiar with what she actually says. It's similar with the "Charlie Ward" or "Simon Parkes" supposed connections. Not true, when one is familiar with what actually happened.

Personally, I think there's way too much drama around all of this and I don't have the bandwidth for it. Mostly, I stay disengaged.

I find it curious that so many people will present debunking from anonymous people, and not really look into the people doing the so-called debunking. I've seen this happen many times. Real people using real names, being targeted by people not using real names. It just raises red flags for me.

Most of Barry Biggum's videos are "mocking" Kim type videos. Lots of people do that. Have fun... mocking ...

[Gwin Ru]

Posted by edina (here)

Posted by edina (here)
Maybe you can do a bit of research on Team Bubba and let us know what you learn about Team Bubba, as well?

When I posed this question it wasn't to derail this thread.

Anyone who has followed Kim's work for any length of time is aware of Team Bubba. Kim herself addresses him and his accusations at times, because people stumble across him and ask her about it.

I think if you want to run a negative thread on Kim, and your primary source for that thread is possibly dubious, you ought to know. If you feel fine that he is a trustworthy source then continue to use him. This can become the Barry Biggum claiming to take down Kim Goguen thread.

I've never been able to find out his real name, unless Barry Biggum is his real name. ...
[...]

According to Kim, from the old telegram chat:

Kiki M, [12-Jul-22 15:20]
Hi everyone, curious, does anyone know who this Team Bubba podcast is and who are they paid by? He’s supposedly going to talk about the metro grant holdings corp and manna word holding trust and fmca code scammers. (Ferdinand Marcos Collateral Accounts). I haven’t had a chance to research yet and wondering if anyone knows off the bat. Thanks 🙏

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 18:47]
[In reply to Kiki M]
We know. [who] he is and his 300 followers. He lives in his mom's basement in Maryland. He is involved in Child Porn and builds websites for child auctions for the pedophiles in DC. They protect him and have tasked him with slandering me a few years back.

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 18:47]
His real name is David Rea fyi

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 18:48]
When I turned him in to the FBI with all the files, they were forced to stop investigating by "two congressmen from the democratic party"

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 18:53]
[ Photo ]
David Rea's House

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 18:58]
[In reply to Krishna]
[ File : David Rea passport.pdf ]
And his old passport..

Brian Heite, [12-Jul-22 19:00]
[In reply to Kimberly]
And GIA was unable to take action? Newsflash: FBI, like rest of government, is a captured operation.

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 19:02]
[In reply to Brian Heite]
Haven't bothered actually..he really isn't doing anything but posting crap which doesn't actually say anything. When and if we do it is termination..he isn't really "doing anything" to warrant that at this moment. We just use him to track and trace pedophiles and networks then we shut them down. He just keeps rebuilding, bless him, then we gather all the data and go after the pedos, and take down his sites.

Kimberly, [12-Jul-22 19:03]
His a a good pedo fisher-outter haha

... DC congressmen protection...

Related:

• DC "Parties"

[onawah]

I really didn't expect that Gwin Ru, Edina or Running Deer would actually try to derail this thread, but they all already have, and I have requested that the Mods remove their posts.
I will also request that they not be allowed to post on this thread, which will save us all a lot of time.
As I've clearly stated, this thread was started for the sole purpose of debunking Kim Goguen and for no other purpose.
There is already a very long thread started in 2020 that is devoted to Goguen's fans, and anyone who wants to defend her can do so there for as long as that continues, which I hope will not be much longer.
In defense of Bubba Team's (it is not just one individual, but a team, thus the name "Bubba Team") posts, much of what is in those videos is clips of Goguen speaking, and so that leaves little room for claims that she never said whatever it was she said.
That eliminates a lot of the arguments that Team Kim would like to make on her behalf.
It's pretty clear that she is her own worst enemy in that regard, and I would think that Team Kim would have realized that by now.

[onawah]

In case you missed my reply in post #23 to your post, Sue:
"As for the argument that she may not be scamming a whole lot of people NOW for a lot of money, I think that's yet to be determined.
But, forgive me, it sure doesn't seem like a good argument for not investigating, considering that it's pretty clear that she HAS done so in the past! "

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)
At the moment, I don't see that Kim is running any scams to get a lot of cash from people. Am I missing something?

All I see right now is that some people are subscribing to a paid subscription for news and various videos, most of it rather upbeat, good news and how-to type content. But that is pretty upfront and by choice, as many services offer paid subscriptions.
Is she scamming people of cash now in some way? (of course her claims are open for discernment, just like all the others)

[onawah]

I don't find lying to be the correct antidote for anything at all, much less ripping people off. Please refrain from defending Goguen on this thread, the purpose of which has been clearly stated, and is not up for debate.

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
As somebody who has a Ph.D. (a.b.d.) in history, I find that Kimberly's whole schtick quite entertaining, and occasionally I learn something new. I enjoy her worldview and her focus on positively effecting change on this planet. She is definitely one-of-a-kind, and they are rare these days on the positive side of the spectrum, while there are plenty of one-of-a-kind evil beings wearing human body-suits. When she claims to have offed some famous evil personage, that somehow is satisfying and energetically the correct antidote for what we are all witnessing.

[edina]

I don't think the thread is derailed, keep posting on the topic...

I've had difficulty over the years trying to figure out who Team Bubba was, now learning a bit more, Steve Macey, Larry Large, are two names of the four. Baz is a third name, I think I know who that is. And evidently, Barry is Barry Biggum. They have said that they were working under personas. So these names are still names of their personas probably. (This is from one of their podcasts, where they are telling their story.)

Not sure how they are connected with a David Rea, they imply they're not, but last April 2022 I found a connection of Team Bubba to this website, http://thewhistleblowers.is/introduction/, can't remember exactly how that happened. It's an old site still using "http" rather than https.

When one does a quick search on "David Rea, Maryland", a linkedin account shows up in the search which lists the above site linked.

As an aside, I've expressed my opinion on the Kim situation in the main thread here.

Anyway, I think our posts are relevant to the topic you started. Hope they will stay.

(Note added: re: David Rea LinkedIn account: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-rea-4345643, when I first looked at it I could read the page without signing in. Am working to get a screenshot of it to post here.)



Looks to now have a lot more than 300 followers, at least at LinkedIn.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by onawah (here)
I really didn't expect that Gwin Ru, Edina or Running Deer would actually try to derail this thread, but they all already have, and I have requested that the Mods remove their posts.
I will also request that they not be allowed to post on this thread, which will save us all a lot of time. .

I have one post on the thread. It's stats and a graph. See post #18.

That's not derailment. Mine and actually everyone's contributions adds balance and an informative picture. Isn't that what Avalon is all about? It's not "us" and "them". We all come together to contribute to the greater understanding of topics.

UPDATE: July 6, 2023

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
Who is TEAM BUBBA? David Rea runs a global childhood pornography ring and a child auction. More covered here in this 8 minute clip from the July 5, 2023 news spot. (Link expires in 7 days.)

For a taste of this bottom feeder's paid character assassination check out the thread called "Who is Kim Goguen?".

Who is TEAM BUBBA? - Partial transcript from the July 5, 2023, Kimberly Goguen’s “World Situation Update Report”.

“…but nobody has stopped this guy. His name is David Rae and he still running to this day. He’s also paid to put slanderous materials about me online. You know him as TEAM BUBBA. So with enemies like that, it eventually shows our integrity over here. ”

I personally had experience and I'll mention it again. I did some research into a person that lives in Maryland. And that person basically works from home. But it was a bit confusing as to why this person with that profile and with a file that had been scrubbed cleaned was so highly protected. So we did some research into him and found out that there are a lot of unmarked black vehicles outside his home. He’s about 50 some odd years old. And lives in his mother’s basement. I have a copy of his passport.

I started looking into his computer activities. It turns out that this man runs not only a global child pornography ring, but once you click through the child pornography, it also leads you to a child auction.

Now this isn’t your typical child pornography. It’s worse. There was a lot of sodomy and weird things that were going on, a lot of children were hurt if not ended up dead. So I uploaded and I found out he was using servers from a large global company called KPMG.

As mentioned before, he has been providing said children all over the world, to politicians, and in royal families and other people for a long time now. And he basically works for them. And it's because he had also been previously arrested for such activities. He was a normal person and then he was scooped up, I believe by two senators in the Democratic Party. So I uploaded all the files and it was quiet disgusting to watch. That’s how I know about some of the weird things they were doing with these kids. And that you can buy them for a few thousand dollars up to $10,000 and $20,000, depending on child.

And in doing the research, one of the children we found based on these activities coming from this person, one was at this politician’s house in Texas at the time. We’ll leave it at that, and he was chained to a bed and living in an attic.

I uploaded all of the files and information and sent it over to the division of the FBI. This was a couple of years ago. They were doing an investigation into this person and then all of a sudden they got calls from two senators in Maryland. They were told to stop. Now that’s not the FBI cyber division fault. They were told not to look any further into it. Because what they would’ve found was the biggest file that would’ve gone against politicians in the United Kingdom, politicians in the United States, politicians all over the world.

Now, we’re not looking to cause public disarray. But nobody has stopped this guy. His name is David Rae and he still running to this day. He’s also paid to put slanderous materials about me online. You know him as TEAM BUBBA. So with enemies like that, it eventually shows our integrity over here.

He’s also paid in various items as well, until his “term” has, let's just say, he pays them back for letting him off and not go to jail. He’s also paid in drugs. He’s highly addicted to I think it's crystal meth. I'm not sure what it is exactly. And they provide him with the illicit drugs in order to continue with his addiction and also to continue his work...

[snip]

[onawah]

Yes Paula, your first post here so far seems quite innocuous, but let's be honest, it wasn't meant to be supportive of the purpose of this thead, was it?
I am dubbing Gwin Ru, Edina and you as "Team Goguen" with Arcturian 108 as an occasional member of that team who post regularly on the thread devoted to Goguen's disinfo.
I will respectfully request that Team Goguen refrain from posting on this thread unless and until you have a serious change of heart.
You have your own thread you can post on all you want, and anyone who wants to hear your arguments is free to go there.
Is that really so much to ask?

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
I really didn't expect that Gwin Ru, Edina or Running Deer would actually try to derail this thread, but they all already have, and I have requested that the Mods remove their posts.
I will also request that they not be allowed to post on this thread, which will save us all a lot of time. .

I have one post on the thread. It's stats and a graph. See post #18.

That's not derailment. Mine and actually everyone's contributions adds balance and an informative picture. Isn't that what Avalon is all about? We all come together to contribute to a greater understanding of things.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by onawah (here)
Yes Paula, your first post here so far seems quite innocuous, but let's be honest, it wasn't meant to be supportive of the purpose of this thead, was it?
I am dubbing Gwin Ru, Edina and you as "Team Goguen" with Arcturian 108 as an occasional member of that team who post regularly on the thread devoted to Goguen's disinfo.
I will respectfully request that Team Goguen refrain from posting on this thread unless and until you have a serious change of heart.
You have your own thread you can post on all you want, and anyone who wants to hear your arguments is free to go there.
Is that really so much to ask?

Natalie, that thread is not mine. It’s understood that anyone can post there. I see no reason why others cannot post here unless and until as you state: “…have a serious change of heart.”

Fairness and accuracy are important to me. Which is the reason for the stats; a quick visual time saver.

Please don't ask me anymore questions. I don't want to be accused of derailing this thread.

UPDATE: July 6, 2023

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
Who is TEAM BUBBA? David Rea runs a global childhood pornography ring and a child auction. More covered here in this 8 minute clip from the July 5, 2023 news spot. (Link expires in 7 days.)

For a taste of this bottom feeder's paid character assassination check out the thread called "Who is Kim Goguen?".

Who is TEAM BUBBA? - Partial transcript from the July 5, 2023, Kimberly Goguen’s “World Situation Update Report”.

“…but nobody has stopped this guy. His name is David Rae and he still running to this day. He’s also paid to put slanderous materials about me online. You know him as TEAM BUBBA. So with enemies like that, it eventually shows our integrity over here. ”

I personally had experience and I'll mention it again. I did some research into a person that lives in Maryland. And that person basically works from home. But it was a bit confusing as to why this person with that profile and with a file that had been scrubbed cleaned was so highly protected. So we did some research into him and found out that there are a lot of unmarked black vehicles outside his home. He’s about 50 some odd years old. And lives in his mother’s basement. I have a copy of his passport.

I started looking into his computer activities. It turns out that this man runs not only a global child pornography ring, but once you click through the child pornography, it also leads you to a child auction.

Now this isn’t your typical child pornography. It’s worse. There was a lot of sodomy and weird things that were going on, a lot of children were hurt if not ended up dead. So I uploaded and I found out he was using servers from a large global company called KPMG.

As mentioned before, he has been providing said children all over the world, to politicians, and in royal families and other people for a long time now. And he basically works for them. And it's because he had also been previously arrested for such activities. He was a normal person and then he was scooped up, I believe by two senators in the Democratic Party. So I uploaded all the files and it was quiet disgusting to watch. That’s how I know about some of the weird things they were doing with these kids. And that you can buy them for a few thousand dollars up to $10,000 and $20,000, depending on child.

And in doing the research, one of the children we found based on these activities coming from this person, one was at this politician’s house in Texas at the time. We’ll leave it at that, and he was chained to a bed and living in an attic.

I uploaded all of the files and information and sent it over to the division of the FBI. This was a couple of years ago. They were doing an investigation into this person and then all of a sudden they got calls from two senators in Maryland. They were told to stop. Now that’s not the FBI cyber division fault. They were told not to look any further into it. Because what they would’ve found was the biggest file that would’ve gone against politicians in the United Kingdom, politicians in the United States, politicians all over the world.

Now, we’re not looking to cause public disarray. But nobody has stopped this guy. His name is David Rae and he still running to this day. He’s also paid to put slanderous materials about me online. You know him as TEAM BUBBA. So with enemies like that, it eventually shows our integrity over here.

He’s also paid in various items as well, until his “term” has, let's just say, he pays them back for letting him off and not go to jail. He’s also paid in drugs. He’s highly addicted to I think it's crystal meth. I'm not sure what it is exactly. And they provide him with the illicit drugs in order to continue with his addiction and also to continue his work...

[snip]

Kim: This is just one example of what we are fighting and are up against. And another one of those reason why I say “We’re not going to not need enforcements anytime soon.” We’re going to need people to correct the situation globally until they don’t. Hopefully.

Kim continues: "But nonetheless, this guy is selling children every single day and even since I turned in the file. It’s been about two years now...." "...And nobody’s done anything."

Then Sunny asked about the Silent Circle and how they have the power to even shutdown child trafficking. She continues, “So you still believe that’s the case? “

Kim responds that she does believe that is the case and a possibility. But that’s the global syndicate talking about worldwide supply to a deep state that is dying. Those are the customers. You do have on occasion people that are just not right. Mr. Rae (TEAM BUBBA) has not been right since he was born.

This is not an unusual situation for those people and we will always need enforcement for stuff like that. But as far as “globally” and the supply chain, they could definitely make a severe dent into the supply chain. For sure. But as far as the lone rangers, we’re still going to need reinforcement for that type of stuff.

So just to let you know why we’re still talking with military and agencies, and why we’re still talking to all these people, it's because the world is just not going to all of a sudden become good. All governances, all governments are not going to wake up one day and all will start acting like Mary Poppins, the governess, the nanny. It’s not going to happen.

We need time. It’s going to take time. Steps are being taken. And they are moving forward. And I’ll talk a little bit more about the Silent Circle as we go along here on the events of yesterday and the day before.

[onawah]

I think my meaning was clear as to the purpose of this thread, and given that I am the OP, I think I have some voice in the matter.
The other thread is your thread inasmuch as you post frequently on it and it is devoted to posting Goguen's disinfo, which is the opposite purpose of the thread I have started here.
If you sincerely want to discuss whether or not she is a disinfo agent, you can do it on that thread, unless the rest of the team there object.
Given the general support of Goguen that is typical of that thread, it hasn't been a venue for much debate, but that would be a welcome change, imho.

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Yes Paula, your first post here so far seems quite innocuous, but let's be honest, it wasn't meant to be supportive of the purpose of this thead, was it?
I am dubbing Gwin Ru, Edina and you as "Team Goguen" with Arcturian 108 as an occasional member of that team who post regularly on the thread devoted to Goguen's disinfo.
I will respectfully request that Team Goguen refrain from posting on this thread unless and until you have a serious change of heart.
You have your own thread you can post on all you want, and anyone who wants to hear your arguments is free to go there.
Is that really so much to ask?

Natalie, that thread is not mine. It’s understood that anyone can post there. I see no reason why others cannot post here unless and until as you state: “…have a serious change of heart.”

[edina]

Posted by John Hilton (here)
For the record, I watched Kim Goguen once. It might have been the Kerry Cassidy interview. Suffice to say that my intuition was screaming "scam artist".

Over the years, my intuition has improved, as has my discernment. I have discarded Charlie Ward, Simon Parkes, David Zublick, Santa Surfing, Stew Peters, Alex Jones, David Wilcock and his "20 & back" buddy Corey Goode, Utsava, Scott McKay, KelliAnnHubNews and many others after initially being intrigued. Mea culpa.

I was thinking some about this list of people. Some I've never even heard of. I've never fallen for any of them, although I have seen the Mantid that hovers around Simon. (So, from personal experience that is real for me. And another time I had an experience with a very tall white reptilian that was around him. I don't know if it was the one Simon talks about, or even why I had those experiences. I think most people would think that's bonkers, so I don't talk about it much.)

I am surprised that Stew Peters is in the list? How did that happen?

As for Kim, my intuition says the opposite of yours, although I can understand everyone's wariness. I keep checking my intuition to ensure it's consistent. And, I've had personal experiences that are uncannily similar to some that she describes, in uncanny synchronous timing. Because of this, the Kim situation is not an easy call for me, I think.

But, I can understand why other people would write her off.

[Franny]

Hey folks, we are going to close the thread for a while to allow things to cool down while we ponder.

[Franny]

Hello everyone, we're open again. We will leave the thread as it is.

Discussion of Kim's achievements, claims, videos, etc. belong in the original thread.
And as always, civility (as always at PA) is encouraged.
On that basis, the thread is re-opened.
Bill and The Mods

[TomKat]

I think she just cchannels her info and believes it.I have no idea who or what she's channeling, ubut the info is very deaailed. Schizos can be like that, and she may be one.