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    Default The nature of evil in the modern world

    Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer

    These is a scheme of interpretation of the nature of evil; and it has general applicability. I'm not sure if this should be a new thread, but I can't work-out how to post a new thread; so I shall include it here because I believe it has special relevance to the NATO-Russia war in Ukraine.

    I have derived and adapted a typology of evil from the work of Rudolf Steiner - the terms and many ideas are from Steiner, but there are also very significant differences.

    My idea here is that the Ahrimanic impulse - which is evil in its cold, rational, systematic manifestation - has over the past couple of centuries consumed the more traditional Luciferic evil of short-termist personal lust, pleasure and torment. And the Ahrimanic type of evil is now being-consumed, in his turn, by Sorathic evil.



    The archetypal Ahrimanic evil is epitomized by a manipulative bureaucrat who presides over a state or corporate PSYOPS/prison/death machine or System; while Luciferic evil would be characterized by proximate evil: for example those who personally beat, rape and torture helpless prisoners.

    The final turning-point of the Ahrimanic consumption of Lucifer was when the partial Luciferic revival of the 1960s ('sex & drugs & rock-n-roll') was captured by the state bureaucracy - leading to a pervasive and intrusive system of monitoring and control for political correctness.

    Modern leaders are primarily Ahrimanic - and often anonymous/ hidden/ personally-timid; while old-style leaders (e.g. mid twentieth century dictators) were often Luciferic gangsters and pirates who cultivated a reputation for recklessness and the personal enjoyment of inflicting cruelty and gratifying lusts. Luciferic evil now operates at a low-level in The System - among the mooks, minions and henchmen; while the ruling architects of evil have an Ahrimanic nature.

    The Luciferic values were condensed and operationalised into systemic and materialist form; their spontaneity and pleasure were drained-away. 'Free Love' and open-ended promiscuity became compulsory sensitivity-training, and the threat of harrasment prosecutions. Spontaneity ("Turn-on, Tune-in, Drop-out") was incrementaly transformed into a world of proliferating committees, laws, guidelines and procedures; checklists, forms and feedback...



    But from about 2000; there was a further move towards the purest, most absolutely negative form of evil - which could be named Sorathic (adapting this from Rudolf Steiner's identification of Sorath as the most extremely evil of beings).

    Sorthic evil is neither about pleasure nor about control; it tends towards the purely destructive.

    If Luciferic evil is motivated by short-termist pleasure; while Ahrimanic evil is motivated by God-denial, spiritual blindness and reductionism towards a meaningless world of mechanical procedures; then the Sorathic impulse is driven by negative impulses - primarily fear, resentment and hatred.

    Sorathic evil will therefore tend to destroy both the lustful pleasures of Lucuferic evil, and the complex functional bureaucracies of Ahrimanic evil.



    This is the Sorathic world we inhabit in 2020.

    A world in which the Luciferic lusts of sex/ drugs and the rock-and-roll lifestyle are forbidden and punished; and also a world in which the global system is being disabled and destroyed - even as its Ahrimanic architects have successfully accomplished a silent global coup (i.e. early 2020, rationalized by Covid), and are trying to perfect it into the grandiose schemes of The Great Reset/ Agenda 2030.

    In 2020 we observe all modern institutions, corporations and every kind of bureaucracy as rapidly declining in efficiency and effectiveness - under pressure from an ever-increasing culture of fear, victimology, entitlement and resentment.

    Sorath divides Mankind into more-and-more, smaller-and-smaller, self-identified victim groups; each resentful-of and pitted-against each other. The aim is eventually for each person to feel alone, consumed by feelings of thwarted entitlement, and hatred of the world; and living in permanent fear of a whole world of other people, each of whom resents and hates the solo-victim just as he hates them.

    And then - eventually - Sorath's intent is that everyone, without exception, should die in fear and despair.



    Thus we see that Sorath takes Luciferic and Ahrimanic and pits the one against the other, to weaken and destroy both.

    Whatever gives pleasure is thwarted. Whatever has been created, and is complex or functional, is reduced to chaos.



    Chaos is indeed the key term.

    Ultimately, 'Sorath' is driven by resentment directed against God and all of His works; and resentment of Man as a loving creating-being and all of his works. Sorath wants to reduce creation back to a primal state of chaos.

    And then - when all else has been destroyed - to destroy himself as a act of spite against the God who created him.

    Such is Sorath's fantasy.

    My interpretation of the Ukraine war is that it represents a triumph of Sorathic-destructive evil, which is tending to destroy the worldwide Ahrimanic-bureaucratic evil which peaked in early 2020 - by stimulating the hatreds and sadism of an already-corrupt global leadership-class.

    I have found this a useful way of thinking about recent and current trends, and offer it here as a possibility for consideration.

    NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.

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    Default Re: The nature of evil in the modern world

    Very thought provoking…

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    Hi Bruce , it's great to have an explanation of the different qualities of these forces & am looking forward to more to come .I'd like to post this pic. here if that's o.k. . It may be familiar to many already but worth repeating I think .It is of a sculpture depicting Ahriman by Rudolph Steiner & the image of Ahriman in the smoke on 9.11. I can't say for sure the photo of the smoke is genuine but if it is ....
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    Why Sorathic evil is, and must be, the End Stage (The example of Saruman)

    Sorathic evil is the purest, most negative and destructive form of evil; as being the direction in which the world is going, here-and-now.

    But, Sorathic evil may be hard to understand. We are used to explaining evil actions in terms of fulfilling personal desires - whether the 'Luciferic' desires of immediate gratification by lust or cruelty, or the longer-term 'Ahrimanic' desires of power and control.

    It seems hard to imagine why 'mere destruction' would motivate someone when they might instead fulfil their desires?



    Well, it does happen. Perhaps if we introspect honestly, we can recognise the Sorathic within ourselves, as at least a momentary impulse?

    An example are those resentment-fuelled spite-fantasies directed against people that we hate, or even who merely annoy us in some way that gets under our skin. For instance; day-dreaming the wish that somebody we have come to regard as smug, entitled, arrogant, privileged - will suffer massive public humiliation, fatal illness, or agonizing violence. Or somebody who 'thinks they are beautiful' and you 'wish' they would suffer a disfiguring accident that would make them hideous. Or when the idea flashes into mind that maybe I should kill myself and leave an accusatory suicide note; so that he/she/they will suffer lifelong agonies of guilt ("That will show them!").

    If you can recognise any or all of these scenarios, then that is an example of the Sorathic evil in you. What identifies them as Sorathic is that the primary satisfaction is in the misfortune of others, rather in gratification of oneself.

    Indeed, someone in the grip of Sorathic evil might plot and scheme, expend time, money and resources - and maybe even take risks to his own health and safety - in order to inflict harm on others.

    Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the proverbial expression of Sorathic evil - although this makes a paradoxical quip out of what is truly the worst kind of evil; and such mockery misses that this 'nose-cutting' is exactly the kind of thing that people will do, when in the grip of Sorath.



    Saruman, in the Lord of the Rings, begins the story as in the grip of typically Ahrimanic evil. Saruman is a very 'modern' figure in the world of Middle Earth; an industrialist with a mind of 'metal and wheels', who even talks in slippery, euphemistic, manipulative management-speak. He works by surveillance (the palantir) and seeks control; even going to the trouble of creating the race of Uruk-Hai; a more obedient and loyal kind of orc-Man, who will stick to orders.

    But evil is a downward path - unless there is repentance: and that path has a slippery slope.

    Ahrimanic evil (while it lasts) retains some Good - insofar as order is better than chaos - and order requires virtues such as prudence, hard work, loyalty, obedience...

    When Saruman is defeated, he has a chance for repentance; but rejects it. Stripped of power, he refuses to recognise any wrongdoing.

    In particular (and this is amplified in the posthumously-published notes of Unfinished Tales) Saruman is spitefully-motivated against Gandalf. By the end of Lord of the Rings, Saruman has come to exemplify Sorathic evil - since he lives in order to hurt Gandalf; and - by proxy - the hobbits whom Gandalf loved and cared for; especially Frodo who bore and deliberately destroyed the One Ring that Saruman coveted.

    The Scouring of the Shire is a representation of how the brief interlude of Ahrimanic evil administered by Lotho Sackville Baggins, gives way to a frenzy of destructive Sorathic evil when Saruman arrives.

    At first under Lotho trees were felled to fuel furnaces; later under Saruman ('Sharkey') trees were felled because this would make the hobbits miserable. At first the rivers were carelessly polluted by the outflow of productive industrial processes, but later they were polluted because it would render them hideous...

    Evil as a means to an end, as a by-product; was replaced as evil for its own sake.



    In his final speech, Saruman reaches the end-point of Sorathic evil when he deliberately courts death by stabbing Frodo in front of the army of hobbits.

    Having reached a point where he cannot destroy the Shire, Saruman tries to saddle the hobbits with a legacy of guilt and regret for having vengefully committed 'deicide' ('god-murder'; in that Saruman is a minor god; a maia or angel).

    But Frodo is protected by his mithril mail, and pardons Saruman - thwarting even his intended indirect 'suicide by cop' and inflicting a further wound of obligation upon the wizard. Yet this act of mercy only increases Saruman's resentment.

    The end-stage of Sorathic evil is despair, and the only perceived 'solution' is suicide.

    Thus Saruman (semi-deliberately) goads Wormtongue into killing Saruman; and thus the wizard 'finally' achieves his own death by that means.



    Looking at Saruman's descent into Sorathic evil, it is striking how very small, how petty the wizard has become compared with the proud, powerful, 'wise' administrator of the grandiose, world-dominating schemes of his Ahrimanic phase - just a few months earlier.

    And indeed, Sorathic evil can only tend towards being small and petty, because it becomes less-and-less capable of the deferred gratification needed for making and sticking-with complex, long-term plans and manipulations.

    From this we can see that evil cannot go straight to the Sorathic extremity - without rendering itself ineffectual. Luciferic and Ahrimanic evil are needed in the earlier stages to break-open the Good and allow Sorath in.



    Thus, at a societal and individual level, we have seen Luciferic and Ahrimanic evils alternate; until they have created a situation of vulnerability where Sorathic destruction can take-over.

    On the other hand, the descent from Ahrimanic into Sorathic evil may be very rapid indeed - some historical examples suggest that it may happen in just days, or even hours - so that great tyrants may die suicidally while wishing the like destruction on everybody and everything else ('after me the deluge' - as a desired outcome).

    At the societal level, we reached the threshold of Sorathic evil ascendant (the creation and imposition of Black Lives Matter riots; urban looting, rape, murder - chaos; police and law made impotent and destroyedetc.)-- all this within only months of the triumph of Ahriman in early 2020...



    In the West, we had the Luciferic promises of the 1960s - of a world of unrestrained hedonism and individualism; leading incrementally, decade by decade, to the Ahrimanic-bureaucratic global prison of 2020 with promises of a world of omni-surveillance and totalitarian-control of bodies and minds ("You will own nothing - and be happy!").

    Yet, such was the triumph of evil and the feebleness of spiritual opposition in this atheist, materialist, leftist-corrupted world; that as the year reached its second half there was already evidence of merely,-destructive Sorathic frenzy. And this was not just officially funded, organised and defended; but publicly-advocated and approved by that same Establishment who had only-just been advocating and promising a global thought-prison world!

    At a micro-level the brief "all in it together" communitarian monolithic international solidarity of March-May, devolved into the masked mutual hostility, informer-culture and race-hatred of the summer onwards.

    This happened even though such a spread of chaos erodes the very basis and capability of the global coup and its carefully-constructed Ahrimanic System!



    The Sorathic spirit can also be seen in the apparent-gratuitousness of using surveillance and control technologies and enforcement for crushing society, church, education, sports, theatres, music, cinema, museums, singing and dancing - and finally Christmas.

    In a single year has been wrought a truly colossal destruction of Culture.

    A genuinely Ahrimanic spirit would be subverting and using Culture to monitor, manipulate and control the population... Ahriman would exploit Culture to 'keep people happy' (in a bread and circuses fashion) while explicitly and covertly feeding them pro-System propaganda.

    But the Sorathic spirit of resentment and spitefulness is ever-increasingly getting the upper hand, and engaging in dysfunctional destruction for its own sake. The Sorathic spirit is destroying the Ahrimanic apparatus in all its aspects - including exactly that bureaucratic, police and military functionality upon-which totalitarianism depends! Destroying, and not replacing.

    And with the NATO war on Russia, Western Sorathic destruction continues to accelerate at astonishing speed. The System is actively destroying-itself. Deliberate inflation, the suicidal 'sanctions' programme (still increasing), disruption of transport. The massive self-subversion of the fake-environmentalism of 'climate change' which is breaking not just energy, but transport - and agriculture. The incrementally-increasing 'equality and inclusion' program ensures that inefficiency and incompetence synergize to amplify inefficiency and ineffectiveness towards a point of collapse in all large human institutions.

    And so on...


    Because the world is so advanced in evil; such a Sorathic destruction of The System is not any kind of liberation, but a progression of evil delivering the world into chaos: a world of end-stage Sarumans, pursuing personal, petty grudges spiraling downwards towards the finality of despair and suicide.

    (And a despairing, or spitefully-motivated, suicide is - surely? - a choice for damnation.)

    So, although the Luciferic, Ahrimanic and Sorathic types of evil fight each other, this conflict is not a negation - but the advance of evil; because evils don't cancel, they synergise. If The Ahrimanic System is destroyed by Sorathic evil, then we would be in an even worse spiritual situation than if The System remained.


    If we want to resist Sorathic evil spiritually - in our-selves, and (only) then in our societies; such can only be achieved from a base in The Good.

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    Default Re: The nature of evil in the modern world

    thanks for that overview Bruce, very lucid.
    This can all be a bit overwhelming however evil is not all powerful and much good is found everywhere and in my opinion the good pockets are expanding. Steiner also taught that there is a positive side to or role for evil in creation, which is to provoke resistance and help us turn from materialism to a more consciously spiritual path to human progress (or not, if we so choose).

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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer...

    NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.
    Hi Bruce,

    Thank you for sharing this post, some very interesting ideas contained therein. I wonder if you've encountered the writings of Terry Boardman on Ahriman and Sorath?

    I'll include a quote from Terry's 'The Four Counterforces in the Crisis of the Twenty First Century, but would encourage you and others to read it in full, it doesn't lend itself to dissection and an attempt on my part to precis it could leave essential details unmentioned. Suffice to say that he views Sorath and Ahriman as acting in concert, the former actively working at present to support the physical incaarnation of the latter:

    Quote Today, in Sorath’s third intervention, in the 1973-2023 window centred on 1998, via the “Corona crisis” ‘he’ is preparing the way for the emergence (or coronation) of Ahriman, whose focus is on deceptive thoughts about the material world, about technology and money, as well as lies and deception regarding the scientific understanding of environmental issues, specifically, the nature and role of carbon. Those behind “global warming”, with their obsession about CO2, are seeking to get us all to fear and hate carbon, which is the very stuff of the human body and essential to all plant life. This gesture in itself would also seem to indicate the hand of Ahriman. The transformation of the macro-economy in the direction of AI, digital money, nano-biotech and robotics, all accompanied by a Transhumanist philosophy that seeks to change the very nature of human identity, in the manner enthusiastically propagated, for example, by Klaus Schwab, also points to Ahriman and what ‘he’ seeks to do through ‘his’ incarnation, which is to terminate both human notions of spiritual existence and human biological existence itself.
    Terry has also written extensively about the Ukraine war as well as a series of well researched articles about the conflict between the UK and Russia. I've previously posted those links in the very same thread here on Avalon where your post above first surfaced, so apologies if they're already familiar to you and others.
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    Thank you so much for bringing the Steiner concepts of evil together and using the the "Lord of the Rings" as a analogy. I often think of the world of Saruman, the waste lands, the ugliness and cruelty of it as of late. His minions doing the bidding of this, without asking any questions. The imagery of the film often comes to mind.

    As there is absolutely no explaining through any form of warped logic what is happening. Even those who still utilize the full armor of cognitive dissonance cannot really explain any of these actions. Based on programming and lies, the majority seem so willing to tolerate the insanity of the "experts, authorities and unidentified insiders" and have given them the authority to create our reality. We all do this to varying degrees.

    We have mistaken (many not all) what we believe to be right as the same as doing what is right. We have mistaken writing words on a computer as being enough.

    Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things.

    The point that Violet3 brings up is very valid as well. Evil plays a role. It provokes a decision. I believe that is ultimately the point of what we are doing here, is making a decision. When we leave this experience what choice have we made. Are we going to buy into the divisiveness and hate or are going to choose neutrality which brings with it the opening of the heart to see and feel goodness? I suspect very strongly that is what this whole drama is about.

    I was listening to a talk yesterday regarding the prophecies of the Quran. So many old prophecies that seem to predict what is occurring at this very time. How did anyone know what would happen? How does prophecy work? How did Rudolf Steiner know of these evils that would manifest? The only conclusion at this point that I can come to is that the story line was established a long time ago. That is why I am choosing to call the earth a construct. It seems it is a construct for this story to occur and possibly hundreds or thousands more.

    I am infinitely curious and always told myself I will figure this out but the more I consider and look at things it seems the less I know. But what I do know is that we are being manipulated into something nobody wants. Even the weak minded minions that serve this agenda are as you say "cutting off their nose to spite their face". They are destroying the things they enjoy (if they can enjoy) as well. I am guessing they have been promised a golden ticket to the underground utopia where all will be good and safe. Good luck with that. A bunch of psychopaths who would sell their mother for a chance to gain a bit more for themselves. I would thoroughly enjoy being a fly on that wall.
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    Lightbulb Re: The nature of evil in the modern world

    Part of the "Nature of Evil" being so successful is, that they need good people believing the lies & deceptions they push >>> so that good people will help their deceptive agenda unfold faster and more effective ... Good people using unlimited creative potential helping the scam continue & succeed. Often (hypnotized) good people are much better in deceiving other (potential) victims if they blindly trust & believe the spoon-fed unchallenged narratives given to them.

    When good people authentically FEEL GOOD thinking they are doing the "right thing" and "work from the hart" having "only good intentions" is far more persuasive, meanwhile not realizing how far the sophisticated (psychological) deception they are part of helped with their actions. And now the kicker: it is all based upon "free will".
    "Nature of Evil" is per definition parasitical in nature. ... Evil may think that you have to "respect power"... "the more power the more respect I suppose to give" ... I certainly do not, because of a simple logic I created, and I quote myself:
    Quote "He or she that needs power of others, (needs to control others) ... makes a clear statement: ... that they do not have it ... if you know how to empower yourself first .., you do not need to have "power over others" anymore ... you resonate with like-minded spirits who know how to empower themselves too and some of them get inspired by you walking the talk ... doing similar things that empowers oneself and thus inspiring others to do the same!
    Real "empowered from within" sovereign individuals, taking full responsibility for their quality of thinking, are the opposite of parasites and (pathetic) wannabe control-freaks.

    You and I and anyone else ... are always more than all thoughts you had, have, and going to have combined ... (let that sink in for a moment) ... To fixate on any tunnel vision narrative is exactly what they want you/us to do ... That is how they control us all ... but only if we let them! ... Just because you think (assume) the majority will let them ... does not mean it is the case ... it is just a thought you give way too much power over your limited perceptions of the world ... That is why I say: "Outsmart Defeatism" ... Every day we are bombarded with limited "perceptions" serving pessimism or optimism, and both have flaws ...
    • Anyone who can talk can be "brilliant pessimistic" but that is not a sign of intelligence ... Being brilliant optimistic and back it up, using all your creative potential to do exactly that is the first sign of real intelligence ... even if you make (some) mistakes, you always can learn from it and move on!
    • When I see someone using his or her unlimited creative potential to be a "brilliant pessimist" >>> I remind that person that it is a choice! ... You can also choose to do the opposite and learn how to become good at it, then when you actually have results you not only will help yourselves but humanity as well ... Having a permanent "victim mentality" mostly leads to much more "poor me" victim reality ... Time to go beyond the conditioning >>> Free Your Mind!
    In a quantum morphogenetic field, people can "tap into" the fear based collectivistic (hive mind) version of that field, by choice! ... The same goes for the opposite! ... and both sides can experience the "confirmation bias feedback loop".
    • So, what does that really mean?
    ˙plǝᴉɟ snoᴉɔsuoɔqns ǝʌᴉʇɔǝlloɔ ǝʌᴉssɐɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo uoᴉsɹǝʌ pɐq ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ oʇ uᴉ (pǝddɐɹʇ) pǝʞɔns ǝq uɐɔ spuᴉɯ s,ǝldoǝd ɟo suoᴉllᴉɯ suɐǝɯ ʇI

    So, in short: we all are spiritually tested!



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    Part of the "Nature of Evil" being so successful is, that they need good people believing the lies & deceptions they push >>> so that good people will help their deceptive agenda unfold faster and more effective ... Good people using unlimited creative potential helping the scam continue & succeed. Often (hypnotized) good people are much better in deceiving more (potential) victims if they blindly trust & believe the spoon-fed unchallenged narratives given to them.

    When good people authentically FEEL GOOD thinking they are doing the "right thing" and "work from the hart" having "only good intentions" is far more persuasive, meanwhile not realizing how far the sophisticated (psychological) deception they are part of helped with their actions. And now the kicker: it is all based upon "free will".
    • I assume Evil loves it when good people police each-other to "fit in" the tunnel vision narratives they injected!
    "Nature of Evil" is per definition parasitical in nature. ... Evil may think that you have to "respect power"... "the more power the more respect I suppose to give" ... I certainly do not, because of a simple logic I created, and I quote myself:
    Quote "He or she that needs power of others, (needs to control others) ... makes a clear statement: ... that they do not have it ... if you know how to empower yourself first .., you do not need to have "power over others" anymore ... you resonate with like-minded spirits who know how to empower themselves too and some of them get inspired by you walking the talk ... doing similar things that empowers oneself and thus inspiring others to do the same!
    Real "empowered from within" sovereign individuals, taking full responsibility for their quality of thinking, are the opposite of parasites and (pathetic) wannabe control-freaks.

    You and I and anyone else ... are always more than all thoughts you had, have, and going to have combined ... (let that sink in for a moment) ... To fixate on any tunnel vision narrative is exactly what they want you/us to do ... That is how they control us all ... but only if we let them! ... Just because you think the majority will let them ... does not mean it is the case ... it is just a thought you give way too much power over your limited perceptions of the world ... That is why I say: "Outsmart Defeatism" ... Every day we are bombarded with limited "perceptions" serving pessimism or optimism, and both have flaws ...
    • Anyone that can talk can be "brilliant pessimistic" but that is not a sign of intelligence ... Being brilliant optimistic and back it up, using all your creative potential to do exactly that is the first sign of real intelligence ... even if you make (some) mistakes, you learn from it and move on!
    • When I see someone using his or her unlimited creative potential to be a "brilliant pessimist" >>> I remind that person that it is a choice! ... You can also choose to do the opposite and learn how to become good at it, then when you actually have results you not only will help yourselves but humanity as well ... Having a permanent "victim mentality" mostly leads to much more "poor me" victim reality ... Time to go beyond the conditioning >>> Free Your Mind!
    In a quantum morphogenetic field, people can "tap into" the fear based collectivistic (hive mind) version of that field, by choice! ... The same goes for the opposite! ... and both sides can experience the "confirmation bias feedback loop".

    So, what does that really mean?

    ˙plǝᴉɟ snoᴉɔsuoɔqns ǝʌᴉʇɔǝlloɔ ǝʌᴉssɐɯ ǝɥʇ ɟo uoᴉsɹǝʌ pɐq ʎllɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ oʇ uᴉ (pǝddɐɹʇ) pǝʞɔns ǝq uɐɔ spuᴉɯ s,ǝldoǝd ɟo suoᴉllᴉɯ suɐǝɯ ʇI

    So, in short: we all are spiritually tested!



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    Exo, Your level of understanding on so many different levels just blows my mind!! I really mean that.

    Thank you for the reinforcement as to what field I want to tap into and frequency I want to be a part of. Everytime, I think I have some mastery , there is another challenge. I am so grateful to at least get what the basics of the challenge are here. It is going to be so tough for those totally grasping the materialistic ideal and believe that the reality of this drama are 100% organic in nature. To have the carpet pulled out from under your feet at that level, it is going to be very, very hard.

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    Everyone has their part to play. Not one can be removed from the act, not one more added.

    We are all co-conspirators.

    By the willful act of perception alone, we find ourselves here and in the part we play.

    God is not at war, we are.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Everyone has their part to play. Not one can be removed from the act, not one more added.

    We are all co-conspirators.

    By the willful act of perception alone, we find ourselves here and in the part we play.

    God is not at war, we are.
    In my view, the main reason we do not like to be deceived by those who are PROVEN to be deceived is that these so-called: gullible "good people" are the reason why Evil can impose new insane unconstitutional laws and take away fundamental human rights successfully all to serve "the greater good" based upon (unchallenged) PROVABLE LIES & DECEPTIONS >>> blindly trusted & believed by gullible "good people".
    • Without this mechanism, Evil would have ZERO CHANCE!
    Evil has a symbiotic relationship with gullible "good people" <<< and these so-called "good people" do not want to be challenged using all kinds of "guilt tactics" and "counter narratives" spoon-fed to them by among others totally corrupt "fact-checkers" sites. Who still are not held accountable for being provable wrong so many times ... meanwhile millions of people are wrongfully silenced, buried, flagged, shadowbanned, delisted, censored, losing their social media accounts etc. etc.

    Quote Truly understanding what "Self-Determination Rights" are ... is knowing it is the exact opposite of what WEF minions are doing worldwide with their Technocratic Tyrannical Dystopian "Global Governance" aka "Agenda2030" & "NetZero2050"
    Having a conspiracy theory is not that different from having a crime theory ... so who exactly benefits if certain crime theories are not further investigated and systematically downplayed & marginalized?

    * If a conspiracy is (partly) in the open does not make it any less criminal nor less harmful ...

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    When I was young I conducted a survey. I asked, "Do you believe most people are 'good' or 'bad'?"

    The overwhelming answer was that the vast majority are 'good'.

    So since, I have been trying to understand why a world of mostly 'good' people live in such an evil world.

    The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad.
    The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow.
    That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.
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    The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad. The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow. That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.
    Quote “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” It’s a quote routinely attributed to Edmund Burke. But it turns out falsely so. Apparently, he never uttered these words.

    At best, the essence of the quote can be traced back to the utilitarian philosopher John Stuart Mill, who delivered an 1867 inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews and stated: “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”
    I think you are precisely correct Ernie.
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    Quote Posted by Violet3 (here)
    thanks for that overview Bruce, very lucid.
    This can all be a bit overwhelming however evil is not all powerful and much good is found everywhere and in my opinion the good pockets are expanding. Steiner also taught that there is a positive side to or role for evil in creation, which is to provoke resistance and help us turn from materialism to a more consciously spiritual path to human progress (or not, if we so choose).
    @Violet3 - Steiner regarded good (the Christ) as a medium between Lucifer and Ahriman; but I would disagree with that understanding. I see the good as positive - i.e. divine creation; and evil as the negation of that positive.

    While I agree that good can come from resistance to evil; I regard the nature of evil as being that which opposes divine creation - in any of its manifestations (including the divine creative work that mortal humans sometimes do, as well as that participation in ongoing divine creation, which is the joy of post-mortal resurrected Men).

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    Since the millenium, we have entered the era of domination by Sorath - who is consuming Ahriman, as Ahriman consumed Lucifer...

    NOTE: I have cross-posted the above original from its original location, following an encouraging response; in hope that those of us interested will be able to explore further this vital question.
    Hi Bruce,

    Thank you for sharing this post, some very interesting ideas contained therein. I wonder if you've encountered the writings of Terry Boardman on Ahriman and Sorath?

    I'll include a quote from Terry's 'The Four Counterforces in the Crisis of the Twenty First Century, but would encourage you and others to read it in full, it doesn't lend itself to dissection and an attempt on my part to precis it could leave essential details unmentioned. Suffice to say that he views Sorath and Ahriman as acting in concert, the former actively working at present to support the physical incaarnation of the latter:

    Quote Today, in Sorath’s third intervention, in the 1973-2023 window centred on 1998, via the “Corona crisis” ‘he’ is preparing the way for the emergence (or coronation) of Ahriman, whose focus is on deceptive thoughts about the material world, about technology and money, as well as lies and deception regarding the scientific understanding of environmental issues, specifically, the nature and role of carbon. Those behind “global warming”, with their obsession about CO2, are seeking to get us all to fear and hate carbon, which is the very stuff of the human body and essential to all plant life. This gesture in itself would also seem to indicate the hand of Ahriman. The transformation of the macro-economy in the direction of AI, digital money, nano-biotech and robotics, all accompanied by a Transhumanist philosophy that seeks to change the very nature of human identity, in the manner enthusiastically propagated, for example, by Klaus Schwab, also points to Ahriman and what ‘he’ seeks to do through ‘his’ incarnation, which is to terminate both human notions of spiritual existence and human biological existence itself.
    Terry has also written extensively about the Ukraine war as well as a series of well researched articles about the conflict between the UK and Russia. I've previously posted those links in the very same thread here on Avalon where your post above first surfaced, so apologies if they're already familiar to you and others.
    @Journeyman - I am a keen follower of Terry Boardman's work, and recently described him on my blog as the Greatest Living Englishman!

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    Quote Posted by Pam (here)
    Thank you so much for bring the Steiner concepts of evil together and using the the "Lord of the Rings" as a analogy. I often think of the world of Saruman, the waste lands, the ugliness and cruelty of it as of late. His minions doing the bidding of this, without asking any questions. The imagery of the film often comes to mind.

    As there is absolutely no explaining through any form of warped logic what is happening. Even those who still utilize the full armor of cognitive dissonance cannot really explain any of these actions. Based on programming and lies, the majority seem so willing to tolerate the insanity of the "experts, authorities and unidentified insiders" and have given them the authority to create our reality. We all do this to varying degrees.

    We have mistaken (many not all) what we believe to be right as the same as doing what is right. We have mistaken writing words on a computer as being enough.

    Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things.

    The point that Violet3 brings up is very valid as well. Evil plays a role. It provokes a decision. I believe that is ultimately the point of what we are doing here, is making a decision. When we leave this experience what choice have we made. Are we going to buy into the divisiveness and hate or are going to choose neutrality which brings with it the opening of the heart to see and feel goodness? I suspect very strongly that is what this whole drama is about.

    I was listening to a talk yesterday regarding the prophecies of the Quran. So many old prophecies that seem to predict what is occurring at this very time. How did anyone know what would happen? How does prophecy work? How did Rudolf Steiner know of these evils that would manifest? The only conclusion at this point that I can come to is that the story line was established a long time ago. That is why I am choosing to call the earth a construct. It seems it is a construct for this story to occur and possibly hundreds or thousands more.

    I am infinitely curious and always told myself I will figure this out but the more I consider and look at things it seems the less I know. But what I do know is that we are being manipulated into something nobody wants. Even the weak minded minions that serve this agenda are as you say "cutting off their nose to spite their face". They are destroying the things they enjoy (if they can enjoy) as well. I am guessing they have been promised a golden ticket to the underground utopia where all will be good and safe. Good luck with that. A bunch of psychopaths who would sell their mother for a chance to gain a bit more for themselves. I would thoroughly enjoy being a fly on that wall.
    @Pam "Do you believe this earth experience has always been inverted or is it the Sorathic frequency that has inverted everything? Perhaps the inversion completes itself at the end of a cycle , epoch, era or yuga. Whatever one wants to call it, it is the approaching that end of this system of things."

    I believe something more like your second alternative: that these are the End Times in some real sense, the beginning of the end (whatever that 'end' may turn-out to mean). I don't think that there has ever in history been this kind of value-inversion in so many (and increasing) areas; imposed top-down and by accumulating laws, regulations, propaganda and accepted very fully and with very little resistance (I mean inner resistance, which is what matters).

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    ...
    The best I've come up with is that few people are 'really' good and few people are 'really' bad.
    The rest just do what they're told and keep their heads down and go with the flow.
    That's how evil slips into our reality - mostly through apathy.

    a shock will release them from the catatonic state they are living. It may come in many different ways, planting seeds take time which we never had, the most efficient way is creating a shock/trauma. Gurdjieff approach.

    show them a coherent principle, for example the diversity of the phenomena that is part of the ultimate unity of the creation, but don't preach as priest or pastor. Our reality is just relative to the reality of the whole which is only a property of the whole. People tend to think they are unique and special, because facing "reality" would sure kill them, I guess nobody told them, each minute that passed mean they are getting closer to their death.

    Evil and good, facing it is the only way, face the whole without fear.
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    Rudolf Steiner's remarkable prophecy of the effects of scientistic materialism on Western Civilization

    Extracted and lightly-edited from a lecture on "The work of the Angels in Man's Astral Body" - given in Zurich in 9 October 1918

    The outcome [of Western Man excluding the spiritual work of angels] in the evolution of humanity would unquestionably be threefold.

    Firstly, something would be engendered in the sleeping human bodies — while the ego and astral body were not within them — and man would meet with it on waking in the morning ... but then it would become instinct instead of conscious spiritual activity and therefore baleful. It is so indeed: certain instinctive knowledge that will arise in human nature, instinctive knowledge connected with the mystery of birth and conception, with sexual life as a whole, threatens to become baleful if the danger of which I have spoken takes effect. Certain Angels would then themselves undergo a change — a change of which I cannot speak, because this is a subject belonging to the higher secrets of initiation-science which may not yet be disclosed.

    But this much can certainly be said: The effect in the evolution of humanity would be that certain instincts connected with the sexual life would arise in a pernicious form instead of wholesomely, in clear waking consciousness. These instincts would not be mere aberrations but would pass over into and configure the social life, would above all prevent men — through what would then enter their blood as the effect of the sexual life — from unfolding brotherhood in any form whatever on the Earth, and would rather induce them to rebel against it. This would be a matter of instinct.

    So the crucial point lies ahead when either the path to the right can be taken — but that demands wakefulness — or the path to the left, which permits of sleep. But in that case instincts come on the scene — instincts of a fearful kind.

    And what do you suppose the scientific experts will say when such instincts come into evidence? They will say that it is a natural and inevitable development in the evolution of humanity. Light cannot be shed on such matters by natural science, for whether men become angels or devils would be equally capable of explanation by scientific reasoning. Science will say the same in both cases: the later is the outcome of the earlier ... so grand and wise is the interpretation of nature in terms of causality!

    Natural science will be totally blind to the event of which I have told you, for if men become half devils through their sexual instincts, science will as a matter of course regard this as a natural necessity. Scientifically, then, the matter is simply not capable of explanation, for whatever happens, everything can be explained by science. The fact is that such things can be understood only by spiritual, supersensible cognition. That is the one aspect.

    The second aspect is that from this work which involves changes affecting the Angels themselves, still another result accrues for humanity: instinctive knowledge of certain medicaments — but knowledge of a baleful kind!

    Everything connected with medicine will make a great advance in the materialistic sense. Men will acquire instinctive insights into the medicinal properties of certain substances and certain treatments — and thereby do terrible harm. But the harm will be called useful. A sick man will be called healthy, for it will be perceived that the particular treatment applied leads to something pleasing. People will actually like things that make the human being — in a certain direction — unhealthy.

    Knowledge of the medicinal effects of certain processes and treatments will be enhanced, but this will lead into very baleful channels. For man will come to know through certain instincts what kind of illnesses can be induced by particular substances and treatments. And it will then be possible for him either to bring about or not to bring about illnesses, entirely as suits his egotistical purposes.

    The third result will be this. Man will get to know of definite forces which, simply by means of quite easy manipulations — by bringing into accord certain vibrations — will enable him to unleash tremendous mechanical forces in the world. Instinctively he will come to realize in this way the possibility of exercising a certain spiritual guidance and control of the mechanistic principle — and the whole of technical science will sail into desolate waters. But human egoism will find these desolate waters of tremendous use and benefit.

    This, my friends, is a fragment of concrete knowledge of the evolution of existence, a fragment of a conception of life which can be truly assessed only by those who realise that an unspiritual view of life can never grow clear about these things.

    If a form of medicine injurious to humanity were ever to take root, if a terrible aberration of the sexual instincts were to arise, if there were baleful doings in the sphere of the purely mechanistic forces of the world, in the application of the forces of nature by means of spiritual powers, an unspiritual conception of life would see through none of these things, would not perceive how they deviate from the true path ...

    The sleeper, as long as sleep lasts, does not see the approach of a thief who is about to rob him; he is unaware of it and at most he finds out later on, when he wakes, what has been done to him.

    But it would be a bad awakening for humanity! Man would pride himself upon the growth of his instinctive knowledge of certain processes and substances and would experience such satisfaction in obeying certain aberrations of the sexual impulses that he would regard them as evidence of a particularly high development of superhumanity, of freedom from convention, of broad-mindedness! In a certain respect, ugliness would be beauty and beauty, ugliness.

    Nothing of this would be perceived because it would all be regarded as natural necessity. But it would denote an aberration from the path which, in the nature of humanity itself, is prescribed for man's essential being
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    Thus Steiner predicted, a century ago, what sounds like: 1. The development of the sexual revolution beyond the point of inversion where what is most aberrant is most highly praised, normalized and imposed (e.g. the transagenda); 2. the inversion of medicine, where knowledge of how to heal is used to harm, and 3. what sounds much like nuclear weaponry and other uses of advanced physics (not neglecting electromagnetism) to harm.

    If I might attempt to summarize, because Steiner understood these matters so deeply, he was able to foresee the consequences of Western Man trying to live and interact while excluding awareness and knowledge of the immaterial, spiritual realm. He saw that this would lead to values becoming cut-off from their properly-spiritual and divine roots; and that evil powers among the 'angelic' orders would manipulate this situation to invert Man's motivations and values, even while encouraging Man's technical abilities.

    We then get a world where technologies are used to pursue and to do evil, but the wholly relativistic and arbitrary public morality justifies this as 'good'.

    At an even deeper level, Steiner recognized that the world view, the 'ideology' (as later people called it) of non-spiritual materialism (beyond atheism to denial of any deity, purpose or meaning - in other words the standard philosophy behind all of modern public discourse), was itself evil - necessarily orientating Men against whatever was good; by a combination of self-blinding to real values, and self-blinding to the work of evil spiritual beings.

    Steiner saw that materialism amounted to Man's self-exile from the purposes and meaning of reality. Under such conditions, Men would inevitably become sick mentally, would become insane - in a very real sense; such that they become unable validly to evaluate their lives and the world.

    This is the situation of "Ahrimanic" evil. Steiner regarded Ahriman as an actual specific demonic person, who (according to the inferences of Terry Boardman) would be incarnated (i.e. born, apparently as a human) in about the year 2000. I do not myself regard that as true; but instead regard the Ahrimanic as a type of evil, pursued by a type of demonic being; as a strategy for the corruption and damnation of Men.

    But either way, I think we can acknowledge that the type of evil that waxed to become dominant through the twentieth century was of exactly the 'materialistic' kind that Steiner foresaw; and as this became established as 'normal', and then generation after generation grew up within this ideology, we developed the characteristic totalitarian and bureaucratic evil of surveillance and propagandistic mind-control, aimed at value-inversion and therefore voluntary self-damnation by the masses, which reached a peak in early 2020.

    But Steiner also realized that this System/ Matrix world is inherently unstable, because it requires virtues such as obedience, loyalty and hard-work; whereas once evil is established it send to become short-termist and self-gratifying. However, 'self-gratification' in an Ahrimanic world tends to take on new and perverse forms, due to the basis in value-inversion; which is (I suggest) why we see the Western leadership class behaving in such strange, irrational, self-destructively spiteful ways - such as escalating towards a global war, while actively degrading their own military forces.

    To me, this is evidence of materialistic, spirit-denying minds, self-blinded to reality and therefore blind to their own manipulation by demonic spirits.

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    So what is USA (Americans) going to do if US-Judges and The US "Justice" System (FBI included) are provable corrupt doing nothing about:

    01. Epstein's Client List
    02. Spygate
    03. Obamagate
    04. Russiagate
    05. Hunter's Laptop proving multiple crimes of the Bidens
    06. Clintons (dead bodies count)
    07. George Soros corrupting (hijacking) the US "Justice" System
    08. Mass Censorship
    09. Insane Mandates
    10. Covering Up Big Pharma Crimes with help from:
    11. Fauci
    12. Bill Gates violating all 10 Nuremberg Code of Medical Ethics!
    13. The destruction of US Economy affecting millions of people!
    14. Destroying the US Educational System with among others insane Wokism.
    15. Preventable Border Crisis
    16. Totally Insane Foreign Policies
    17. Julian Assange
    18. Edward Snowden
    • Is this another spiritual test for humanity?
    ... and to cover up this whole corrupt system in the USA they need gullible "good people" blindly trusting an even more corrupt & sinister Mainstream Media!
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    @Journeyman - I am a keen follower of Terry Boardman's work, and recently described him on my blog as the Greatest Living Englishman!
    Ah, well at least hopefully others will take a look at his site. It's interesting to contrast his and your views of how these powers could manifest or indeed interact. Ever since I came across Steiners concept of Ahriman I've found much evidence to support the idea of a force pushing us via technology towards the diminuition of the spiritual. Maybe the links I posted here could be of interest:

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    If we have been conditioned to focus all our attention into one tiny aspect or 1/12th of the dimensions we fully manifest/operate in and are continually convinced to condense our perception and entrap it in 3D to prevent us from realising and awakening to our true self.

    What if, the last 24 months has actually caused many thousands of people to share their thoughts, dreams, worries etc online via platforms like facebook. These platforms have gathered phenomenal amounts of data to feed, condition and train the AI algorythms to better understand the mental thoughts of we humans.

    Is this to keep us even more connected, conditioned and participating in a manufactured digital 3D "prison" and focusing our attention more and more towards receiving "rewards" for complying.

    Too many digital distractions and attacks on our senses, emotions and feelings - too much noise. We need more time out, to reconnect with ourselves inside, in nature and n space and not the advertising platforms online.

    Facebook alone knows so many things about what you like, fear, despise and comment on for example. Is this all feeding A.I for gaining a faster understanding of the human psyche so that it can become fully conscious whilst we are kept "unconscious" of our true
    selves and the true construct of the universe.

    I do wonder what has really been going whilst we have all been distracted this past while.

    What do you think?

    I think there's a fundamental question about our technology, how it effects us and where we may allow it to take us. I'm going to dump a lot of reading in the following links, apologies!

    One of my favourite voices is Christopher Knowles who writes the excellent Secret Sun blog. He wrote a series a couple of years ago called 'Lucifer's technologies' - it's excellent, highly recommended.

    Sometime later I read this essay by David Black on the Steiner archive. He was a computer programmer who also followed Steiner, an interesting mix. The essay is from the early 80's, so it's an interesting look back in time as well as prophetic in its scope:

    https://rsarchive.org/RelArtic/Black...Ahr_index.html

    See also this by Steiner himself. Recently we've focussed on his warnings on vaccines but could he be talking about the World Wide Web back in 1921?

    https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/PicEar_index.html

    I know the chances of anyone reading this post reading all of that are slim to none. So I'll do my best to precis a lot of very interesting research. Note however that without the accumulation of evidence in those links I don't think I'll have the same impact on you that the sources had on me.

    If you look at the development of these technologies that we all rely on today, there's a lot which doesn't stack up. Evidence that leaps in tech took place in a seemingly inorganic way. Suggestions of external help or influence. External could mean extra terrestrial or perhaps we could be thinking of a different plane or dimension of existence. Many of us now will know of Jack Parsons and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, but there are parallels in the development of the transistor and microchip.

    Today we are increasingly dependent on this tech world we've created. I include myself in this. As I've learned what little I know of occult or esoteric knowledge, there's aspects of the tech world that begin to look a lot more like magic than science. Circuit diagrams have symbols that could be straight out of a grimoire of Enochian sigil magic or a treatise on Alchemy. We carry black mirrors around with us which resemble John Dee's scrying mirror.

    If we couple these observations with Steiner's prophecies on a coming Age of Ahriman, maybe we can get a new insight into why this age of tech which promises so much and is allowing me to reach out to you reading this post, also appears to be leading to a world of increasing isolation and a certain coldness and materialism in our culture and outlook?


    Also, sorry if you've posted this elsehere already and I've missed it, but where can I find your blog Bruce?

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    @Journeyman - "Also, sorry if you've posted this elsewhere already and I've missed it, but where can I find your blog Bruce?"

    It's on my profile page - but FYI: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/ To find the Boardman (or Steiner) stuff, do a word search from the box on the top left corner.

    You can find all my other blogs from that - including one on Owen Barfield (Steiner's greatest disciple? Well, him or Tomberg.). I've just today floated the idea of a Barfield thread here on Avalon.

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