Neo-Platonism vs. Capitalism
This thread is an expression of The Resistance in the western sphere.
Many of these posts are comprehensive and take some concentration.
This later post on The Barrator might be a more effective five-minute bird's eye using things that should be familiar to most.
I have introduced this view in various threads now scattered. It mostly, but not fully, fits what is going on today. I say "not fully" because I am thinking of something older and a bit more magical than most. It will deal with numerous secret societies and things of this nature.
The trouble is that time is spent formulating responses to various threads--and in some cases, it appears that the OP does not even read the responses. None of them wind up going far, so, it does not amount to a dialogue, and it just goes away and is lost. So the end of this post might be link collection for work that otherwise fades away. The body of this post will be some very large sources and specific arguments designed to counter and overcome particular bodies of disinformation and thought control.
For a similar operation in the east, here is a separate thread:
Hindutva
This post ends with an index of the thread posts.
These days we have been forced into a sharp delineation of "the West" as the mainly Anglophile minority of an admittedly "mono-polar order" of truly Orwellian proportions. But it seems artificial, as if it doesn't belong. And so this will put together some historical information about a type of olive branch that has come forward a few times, to repeated failures, given the state of the news today.
Any Russian can list multiple examples going back to the Great Schism of 1054 showing menacing behavior on the part of "the West".
We can find an even larger historical trend that tells us what has tried to graciously "come in" or manifest itself, compared to what stands now.
In respect to this, the American Revolution was very significant. After which there were two central banks from 1791-1837, which were forbidden from using Treasury Bonds. In 1863, President Lincoln authorized a national banking system which *does* use them, and this situation has remained in place ever since.
Bondage.
Lincoln's Empire refers mostly to this.
A name like "Avalon" refers to a Druidic culture, which as far as we know was native to parts of Europe. In history, I can, for example, rewind in writing the path of my DNA into something that was called--by cartographers at least--"Lexovi", and then there simply is no more written information going back before around the year 500. The simplest consideration is that they were followers of a Druidic Cult such as Cernunnos, and then all these areas were gradually "Romanized", using force if necessary. The Romans got rid of the Druids and installed Bishops. However, they tended to leave most of the local authorities in place.
We are mostly going to take a Greek look at things, but concerning Rome:
Virgil's Ecologue discusses a Golden Age, which has been reinterpreted as prophesying Jesus. However, there "was" a Golden Age, at the time when Saturn, a refugee from the Trojan War, settled the Latium area and founded Latin Culture. This carried forth peaceful trading relations with the Etruscans, until the rise of the City of Rome ended all that.
Byzantium, however, was founded as early as ca. 600 B. C. E., was essentially always the trading and cultural capital, until finally being overwhelmed around 1450 when its sphere of influence moved to Moscow.
All of the early Church Councils were dominated by hundreds of Greek speakers, with only a small handful of Latin priests, coming from what was comparatively nearly a backwater. Greek was the lingua franca of education. Yet even from an early stage, there is an idea that the Bishop of Rome is authoritative.
Going through this, considering the view of Pythagoras and Plato, the white knuckle grip on future imported scriptures sounds quite insane. But that is what happened. In ancient Greece, people were regularly executed for Hubris, but there is only one known example for Blasphemy. Usually--such as in India--religious doctrines were a matter of debate, not force.
The Greek language and mythology are largely a cognate of Sanskrit. Perhaps on the side of life, there were Pythagoras and Plato, against whom, Aristotle has been used to embody forces that can be described as empiricism, behavioralism, reductionism, materialism, and so on. The nutshell analogy would be School of Aristotle...Capitalism.
As an attempt at its sustenance, there was the School of Alexandria and Neo-Platonists I:
An eclectic pantheistic school of philosophy founded in Alexandria by Ammonius Saccas, of which his disciple Plotinus was the head (A.D. 189-270).
Falling a martyr to the fiendish conspiracy of Theophilos, Bishop of Alexandria, and his nephew Cyril, she [Hypatia] was foully murdered by their order. With her death fell the Neo Platonic School.
Hypatia being killed in the 400s is the beginning of a Dark Age; Greek education is pressed out of western countries like Spain around the 600s and continues to be rolled back, creating the situation for Neo-Platonists II:
In the year 527, when the Emperor Justinian closed the Neoplatonic School in Athens and banished the last seven great Neoplatonists, the teachings of Plato and the Neoplatonists disappeared from Christian Europe for almost a thousand years. In the fifteenth century a revival of Neoplatonism arose through the efforts of Nicolas de Cusa, a Catholic Cardinal of German birth. Directly opposing the personal God of the Church, Cusa defined Deity as “the absolute Maximum and also the absolute minimum, who comprehends all that is or can be.” This laid him open to the charge of pantheism, which he did not deny. He also declared that Deity can be apprehended only through intuition, an exalted state of consciousness in which all limitations disappear. Cusa’s efforts to revive Neoplatonism were continued in Germany by Reuchlin, Trithemius, and Cornelius Agrippa, and in France by Bovillus. The chief stronghold of the Neoplatonic revival, however, was the city of Florence, where Theosophical principles reappeared under the protection of the powerful house of Medici.
We are not trying to say that every Medici always did the holiest things, but yes, the significance of Florence around the 1400s is corroborated by non-Theosophical sources. The demise of the Medici dynasty resulted in them bequeathing their wealth to the State of Tuscany.
What they are trying to return to Europe is Byzantine Humanism:
Byzantine science was in every period closely connected with ancient-pagan philosophy and metaphysics.
Sometimes, Humanism tends to have a secular meaning, however:
Giovanni Pico della Mirandola undermined the dominance of Aristotelian philosophy by revitalizing Sextus Empiricus' skepticism.
So it is not unusual to understand the Byzantine Background of the Medici Renaissance.
What is not apparent from those articles is the existence of the initiatic center formed by the Knights of Malta in allegiance with at least some of the Holy Roman Emperors. This operates in conjunction with the Florentine Renaissance, dramatically punctuated by HRE Rudolf II:
Under his reign, there was a policy of toleration towards Judaism. Rudolf was tolerant of Protestantism and other religions including Judaism. He largely withdrew from Catholic observances, even in death refusing the last sacramental rites. He had little attachment to Protestants either, except as counter-weight to papal policies. He put his primary support behind conciliarists, irenicists and humanists. When the papacy instigated the Counter-Reformation, using agents sent to his court, Rudolf backed those whom he thought were the most neutral in the debate, not taking a side or trying to effect restraint...
In 1583, he moved the court to Prague.
Of his library possibly including the Voynich manuscript:
The collection became an invaluable research tool during the flowering of 17th-century European philosophy, the "Age of Reason [Enlightenment]".
The court and administration were gradually moved from Prague to Vienna after 1612. The new emperor was less interested in art than Rudolf II and most court artists soon turned their backs on his court.
In that approximate area, or Swabia, in the corner of France and Switzerland, we find the religiously tolerant anti-extremist Order of St. Joachim on the Enlightenment:
Duke Karl Christian Erdmann von Württemberg-Oels, was one of the original 14 founders of the Order [1755]. The Dukes of Württemberg were known as patrons of the arts, but also were key figures in the beginnings of Rosicrucianism. In the late 1500s and early 1600s, the court of a previous Duke of Württemberg was well known as a centre of alchemical and occult activities, with Simon Studion and Johann Valentin Andreae as its most notable Rosicrucian figures.
The Gold Rosicrucians was headed by Johann Karl Baron von Ecker und Eckhoffen, who in 1787 was Chancellor of The Order of Saint Joachim. Baron von Ecker und Eckhoffen is named as a member of several other mystic societies, including the Christian Masonry of Bohemia in 1756, and the Asiatic Brethren.
Von Ecker had started a "Fratres Lucis" in Vienna, 1781, which did not last long in that form, re-casting itself into the "Asiatic Brethren". Further:
Historical records do show that a few Illuminati were later members of The Order of Saint Joachim, as the Illuminati did initially attract many prominent German individuals. These people were both free-thinking Catholics as well as German Protestant nobles at continual odds with the expansionist political ambitions of the Catholic powers in Bavaria and the Austrian Empire.
Proving the Knights of Malta are not Masons, one of the ex-Illuminati:
In 1789 Kollowrat founded the first Masonic Lodge in Malta itself – St. John’s Lodge of Secrecy and Harmony – until it was ordered closed by the Inquisition in 1792.
Well, the Knights had actually confiscated the property of the Jesuits, and used the proceeds to invest in the University of Malta. Once this order is defeated by Napoleon and removed from Malta, we will no longer claim it to be the same entity--name only.
In fact this principle applies to the majority of movements and organizations, subordination.
with re-constructed clock tower
I do not have a religion, but I do have a Masonic heritage from Lodge Zero Mother Kilwinning. I have nothing to do with it, other than to say it is not Freemasonry, which is a later adaptation. Masonry has Four Degrees. You cannot be a Thirty-third Degree Mason. Advanced degrees come from Rites, which are the Freemasonic optional additions.
Instead, from a somewhat early age, I became a convert to Buddhism, which I don't exactly see as "a religion". A few years later, I found its original English dispensation to be in United Lodge Theosophy. It turns out this name is very important, because it is not the "Theosophical Society" of CWL and Annie Besant, or any later "version"--which should have been obvious, as it calls itself a once-per-century broadcast.
None of that was what got my attention.
I discovered The Mahatma Letters, which indeed had material that perked my Buddhist leanings, although some of it was a bit mystifying. It was easy to see that there were writings from people who were, in fact, Indian Buddhists, dealing with English and Americans for the first time. There is also a
Wiki with a letter-per-page including the actual copies from The British Museum.
There are numerous allegations and controversies about the Theosophical Founders, most of which do not hold up. One possibly legitimate criticism is that it was "a Buddhist propaganda". If so, then when I consult the Letters, they record a conversation with the person considered to be the superior of the Theosophical Mahatmas. This is from around 1881, a few quotes of Letter from the Mahachohan:
Buddhism stripped of its superstitions is eternal truth, and he who strives for the latter is striving for theo-sophia - Divine Wisdom, which is a synonym of truth.
To achieve the proposed objects a greater, wiser, and especially a more benevolent intermingling of the high and the low, of the alpha and the omega of society, was determined upon. The white race must be the first to stretch out the hand of fellowship to the dark nations, to call the poor despised "******" - brother. This prospect may not smile to all; - He is no Theosophist who objects to this principle.
In view of the ever increasing triumph and at the same time misuse of free-thought and liberty (the Universal reign of Satan, Eliphas Levi would have called it), how is the combative natural instinct of man to be restrained from inflicting hitherto unheard of cruelties and enormities, tyranny, injustice, etc., if not through the soothing influence of a brotherhood and of the practical application of Buddha's esoteric doctrines?
In a word, how, once that the main objects of the T.S. are misinterpreted by those who are most willing to serve us personally, are we to deal with the rest of mankind, with that curse known as the "struggle for life," which is the real and most prolific parent of most woes and sorrows and of all the crimes? Why has that struggle become the almost universal scheme of the universe? We answer, because no religion with the exception of Buddhism has hitherto taught a practical contempt for this earthly life, while each of them, always with that one solitary exception, has through its hells and damnations inculcated the greatest dread of death. Therefore do we find that struggle for life raging most fiercely in Christian countries, most prevalent in Europe and America. It weakens in the Pagan lands and is nearly unknown among Buddhist populations.
The main point is you have to discard supremacy, whether racial, religious, etc., and we see this seems to be the defining characteristic of the West today. From his view, the hubris or arrogance referred to has been considered somewhat of a crime since the 1600s. They were perfectly aware of colonialism. And if you spend a lot of time with those Letters, you get the impression that almost everything about English would-be Theosophists is contaminated by, at the least, skepticism, all the way up to that ridicule which derives from supremacy. It is like in 1880 they were deaf. That makes it easy to spot the tiny handful of exceptions.
A massive track of the defeat of Humanism or Natural Science and the formation of modern systems is covered by Webster Tarpley in Against Oligarchy. This also helps explain how university education was warped. It is a close look at the influence of Venice developing into the current British system. He goes into Calculus being used to remove the mathematics of Leibiniz. Correspondingly, somewhere on our General Science forum there is Maxwell's Quarternions, based on Arrays, which again were simplified by Calculus into the Four Fundamental Forces of Physics.
In modern academic intolerance, David Pratt has some Theosophical articles including suppressed views, such as No Tectonic Drift and No Big Bang.
One of the best tools for cleansing what one may have been given as misleading political secret society claims is available in Anti-Masonry Refuted by G. L. of British Columbia and Yukon. That list makes it apparent how a "reverse propaganda" was begun almost immediately after the French Revolution, which becomes traceable as the Anti-Masonic Party --> Pro-Bank Whigs --> Republican Party. This is for example quite close to the John Birch Society and the modern Knights of Malta. Many kinds of religious Fundamentalism.
Capitalism has two branches in the United States--the one above, and the other can be summarized by ISGP Pilgrims' Society. Significantly, this website disposes of the "Eye in the Pyramid" or "Them" or some kind of unknown that you are sure must be doing everything. It has a humongous pile of modern information. Here we are looking more at historical ones as the flow of ideas that have shaped things. I am not trying to say much from the twentieth century forwards which are mostly on that site. The two examples are polarized enough that someone--I forget who--was quoted as saying:
"I joined the Council on Foreign Relations when I renounced the John Birch Society".
Tarpley is pretty good for the Renaissance period, and then ISGP is pretty good for the modern era. I would not say they are the final word on anything, but I would say they are fairly accurate without anything misleading, in your face, at least.
Most writers on secret societies or Theosophy are in the fog, or have an agenda.
Theosophy is not yoga or spiritual practice of any kind. It is an intellectual weapon to help you combat two forces, dogmatic religion and materialistic science. Even in 1880, the Catholic dictation thing was still a huge deal. We may not have that problem, now, but we would still question why anyone should take any scripture so seriously that you go out and start fights about it.
When I have gone through the trove, I found HPB to be a true character and perhaps even a hero. She had joined Garibaldi's forces at Metana in 1867 and got nearly killed. On her mother's side, she was Rurikid and Dolgoruki. She must be a thousand times more powerful than British drawing room ladies. But a few of them became her friends.
Katinka Hesselink hosts HPB Collected Writings, composed of articles mostly not from her major books. Here, we find, for example, a very accurate explanation of the assassination of Tsar Nicholas II, the world's first suicide bombing. It closely concurs with what we can study from other sources today. It just happened to be an early, if not the first known example clearly telling us how Antifa or Nihilism works, and I guess no one figured that might be important.
Theosophy is not really political in any way. But she said that her personal precursor was Franz Mesmer:
He was an initiated member of the Brotherhoods of the Fratres Lucis and of Lukshoor (or Luxor), or the Egyptian Branch of the latter.
More information there, or on another Mesmer page, easily shows his association with Cagliostro and St. Germain. Her personal testimony associates him with von Ecker.
Concerning St. Germain, there is a biography of him by Isabel Cooper-Oakley 1912, which is mostly good, except she was tricked by the 1820 Countess Adhemar letters, which were a forgery. So we will not suggest anything other than he perished as described at Schleswig-Holstein.
There, of course, we are going to find a mountain of political involvement.
Neither HPB nor the Theosophists are that great at Buddhism. The Society jumps to the conclusion that this is all based in 100-year missions owing to Tson kha pa of Kokonor. That is an idea which has little other representation. What we can say is that HPB's work gained her friendship with the Panchen Lama. Previously, around the time of Mesmer, 1773, there was also an emissary from the Panchen Lama to the Maharajah of Benares in India. The eventual motto of the first Theosophical Society is the motto of the Maharajah of Benares.
HPB did not personally name any "messengers" prior to Mesmer, and I am certain that if we read Tson kha pa, it would be quite upsetting to her. My impression is that she latched onto one of the archives of Chinese Buddhism. This is not particularly reliable, and some of it is mixed with Manicheanism. She was not a Mason, but, she knew the western system so well, she was handed an honorary certificate by John Yarker. In Buddhism she had no rank other than was allowed to participate.
Annie Besant made some kind of editorial changes to Voice of the Silence. By working with the Eighth Panchen Lama, Alice Cleather scraped the changes and re-printed it. The Eighth also said his predecessor knew HPB well.
Importantly, Alice also wrote a rather short but sympathetic biography, HPB As I Knew Her 1923, which argues against all of the elaborations and disputes against "the original".
From a young age, HPB wanted to be Lady Liberty. She was an aristocrat who really did not like the upper class and preferred the company of poor people. She can be credited with turning down large bribes from the Jesuits and from Sassoon of the East India Company.
HPB celebrated Thomas Paine, who was great friends with Nicholas Bonneville.
Paine is generally held to be an eleventh-hour inspiration for the American Revolution, as Bonneville certainly was in France.
What happened in America was not really anti-monarchial. The source of the problems was not really the King, but the British Parliament. Note that the King could only grant Denizenship. To become a Subject required an Act of Parliament. So the British had been imposing restrictive immigration practices, and then they raised the taxes. Although the colonies revolted in favor of a new set of laws, this was not inherently an anti-monarchist platform, since there resulted in a substantial movement to appoint Washington as King.
In Europe, the same ideals were not anti-monarchist at all. An example of an anti-monarchist platform is Chinese Communism. In Europe, it would appear that most republican revolutions did not convey Humanism, or the Enlightenment, but wound up working for the Money Power.
The use of "Enlightenment" also refers to the presence in Europe of Confucian teachings. Voltaire thought Confucius was Deism.
The Jesuits understood and imported Confucianism as early as the 1600s, saying Buddhists were superstitious idol worshippers. In the 1700s, another Jesuit tried to take it seriously, but neither he, nor Carl Jung, ever understood Emptiness or Sunyata. These are the cream of the intellectual people. I am not surprised. Buddhism is not an affair of the intellect.
Seeing as how it has practically no English members, but it is largely identical with the American ideals, there is basically the same qualification for the Enlightened Monarch:
Enlightened rulers may have played a part in the abolition of serfdom in Europe.
Enlightened absolutists held that royal power emanated not from divine right but from a social contract whereby a despot was entrusted with the power to govern through a social contract in lieu of any other governments. The monarchs of enlightened absolutism strengthened their authority by improving the lives of their subjects. The monarch’s taking responsibility for his subjects precluded their political participation.
In other words, the phrase "consent of the governed" as used in the Declaration of Independence is the same idea that had been given by John Stuart Mill towards Kings, and voluntarily applied by Russia, before the American Revolution. Its origin lies:
...in 1433 by Nicholas of Cusa in De Concordantia Catholica. In 1579 an influential Huguenot tract Vindiciae contra tyrannos was published which Sabine paraphrases: "The people lay down the conditions which the king is bound to fulfill. Hence they are bound to obedience only conditionally, namely, upon receiving the protection of just and lawful government…the power of the ruler is delegated by the people and continues only with their consent."
Such consent is the ideal of Popular Sovereignty:
Popular sovereignty is the principle that the authority of a state and its government are created and sustained by the consent of its people, who are the source of all political power. Popular sovereignty, being a principle, does not imply any particular political implementation.
Republics and popular monarchies are theoretically based on popular sovereignty. However, a legalistic notion of popular sovereignty does not necessarily imply an effective, functioning democracy.
The American Revolution marked a departure in the concept of popular sovereignty as it had been discussed and employed in the European historical context. American revolutionaries aimed to substitute the sovereignty in the person of King George III, with a collective sovereign—composed of the people. Thenceforth, American revolutionaries generally agreed with and were committed to the principle that governments were legitimate only if they rested on popular sovereignty – that is, the sovereignty of the people. This was often linked with the notion of the consent of the governed—the idea of the people as a sovereign.
In the American Revolution, you took an Oath to the State--at that time you actively consented to be governed. By this, you became a Citizen, generally as contrasted to an Alien, but there were exemptions for non copos mentis, prisoner of war, and so on, a disenfranchised status. If you did not enter this social contract, consequences ranged from eviction to possibly even the death penalty. There were a few cases of religious exemption, meaning if your religion refused to let you take up arms and fight, then you were a non-citizen who was taxed at a higher rate. Originally, in the Constitution, State citizenship was presumed equal to United States citizenship, which was otherwise undefined or had no significant meaning. This was subject to later developments.
Originally, the State was the Militia--gun control mostly meant you were supposed to own a gun, and if you were called for duty you would be given bullets and powder.
That is how the Americans were different--yes they actually removed the monarch, although that was not a consensus motive of the rebellion. This is how they begin living out their Enlightenment ideals.
Seeing as this was a very non-English phenomenon, some members of the brief list of enlightened monarchs:
Maria Theresa (1740–1780)
Empress Catherine II of Russia sponsored the Russian Enlightenment. She incorporated many ideas of Enlightenment philosophers, especially Montesquieu, in her Nakaz, which was intended to revise Russian law.
Montesquieu is invariably the root of American government, due to Separation of Powers:
It was not unusual for eighteenth century Americans to speak of Montesquieu as an “oracle” of political wisdom whose work is “always consulted.”
To them we would next associate Marie Antoinette. Not the French King. Between these three ladies and their peers, one finds the friendship of Benjamin Franklin and St. Germain. This is a fledgling, or maybe even a homonculus that we are not sure can survive out of the vat, but it is something like the beginning of The Resistance.
In 1776, there was a level of common mentality in those four countries, warning about Money Power. After this being crushed, the Italian and Greek Carbonari were also similar. Garibaldi wound up restoring Victor Immanuel. So he was a revolutionary that was not anti-monarchist. Mazzini however more famous for "Young Italy" became compromised by the British and so most of the "Youth Movements" and "republican revolutions" turn out to be manipulations in this vein.
As well as by Tarpley, the British side is fairly well summarized in Ghost of Oliver Cromwell, which has a handful of its own links roughly tracing the continuity from the Bank of England to U. S. Neocons. It happens to suggest that Jews are Edomites without explaining it. At one point, Edom overran and miscigenated Judea, which contaminated their temples and bloodlines.
One adjustment that happens, as we can find Jesuits having a center in London, is that also around the late 1800s particularly the American Jesuits developed a new strategy which is nothing like dogmatic Catholicism. They realized they could work with any weak, watered-down from of Jesus. This allows them to, so to speak, "infiltrate the New Age". They also become intimately bonded to Rockefeller Medicine.
Because things like the Rosetta Stone were being discovered around Egypt, it leapt from the back of everyone's mind into something that maybe some people could explain. Egyptian mythology. There has always been a Coptic, that is, Greek speaking segment of that country. And, ancient Greece is believed to have had its Orphic Mysteries, and then augmentation by training in Egypt. I am going to start from the view that the Orphic person who is directly trained has more prominence than latter-day assertions based in archaeology.
Compared to untold numbers of ceremonies and degrees and so forth, in Egyptian Rites, or Rosicrucian Soceities, etc., there is something quite simple from Pythagoras.
When I say I don't have a religion, this is partly because what I think I am doing is a form of yoga, related to Ayurveda. So this requires a belief in Life Force. If I then turn to classical Greece, and say was there a close parallel, that turns out to be the case. It is based on the Pentagram:
The ancient Pythagorean pentagram was drawn with two points up and represented the doctrine of Pentemychos. Pentemychos means "five recesses" or "five chambers", also known as the pentagonas — the five-angle, and was the title of a work written by Pythagoras's teacher and friend Pherecydes of Syros.
On Pherecydes:
He was considered the first writer to communicate philosophical ideas in prose as opposed to verse. However, other than a few short fragments preserved in quotations from other ancient philosophers and a long fragment discovered on an Egyptian papyrus, his work is lost. However, it survived into the Hellenistic period and a significant amount of its content can be conjectured indirectly through ancient testimonies. His cosmogony was derived from three divine principles: Zas (Life), Cthonie (Earth), and Chronos (Time). In the narrative, Chronos creates the Classical elements and other gods in cavities within the earth. Later, Zas defeats the dragon Ophion in a battle for supremacy and throws him in Oceanus. Zas marries Chthoniê, who then becomes the recognizable Earth (Gê) with forests and mountains. Chronos retires from the world as creator, and Zas succeeds him as ruler and assigns all beings their place.
Later hellenistic doxographers also considered him as one of the first thinkers to introduce a doctrine of the transmigration of souls to the Ancient Greek religion, which influenced the metempsychosis of Pythagoreanism, and the theogonies of Orphism. Various legends and miracles were ascribed to him, many of which tie him to the development of Pythagoreanism or Orphism.
Yes, there, I begin to detect a resemblance to the Indian Puranas and so on.
From an example for kids:
The ancient, and one could argue real, Pythagorean pentagram was two points up and represented the doctrine of Pentemychos.
The pentemychos is in Tartaros.
In very early Greek thought, Tartaros was the first existing Darkness from which the cosmos is born. While it was locked away after the emergence and ordering of the cosmos, it still continued to have an influence. In fact, it was known as "the subduer of both gods and men" (Homer), and it was from this that the world got its "psyche" (soul) and its "daimon". The Boundless Darkness held influence through Mychos or Krater.
The Underworld as the source of wisdom was the rule...Note that she speaks of the Heart. The inmost chamber is the Mychos...this Underworld of the Greeks and Pythagoreans is also the "inmost chamber" and the Core of Inner Being.
Another pentagram from Agrippa’s book. This one has the Pythagorean letters “γιεια” or Hygieia, Health, inscribed around the circle, which was used by adherents as a form of greeting:
In the image above of the two points up pentagram from Agrippa's book, the notion of Health that is within and inside a living being, is "bounded between the rings". According to myth, Tartaros was locked away by iron (fashioned by Zeus) and bronze (fashioned by Zeus' brother Poseidon. The iron of Zeus is the aither spoken of earlier ("space") and the bronze is demiurgos, or the waterforce which binds things into matter (Poseidon was often referred to as "he who shakens the earth" and the god Proteus, who carries the seals of Poseidon has ever since Antiquity been seen as a representation of matter.) To sum it up; even if seen as the medieval elements, Living Things are the things traveling the Wheel of Life, and not directly connected to or part of the Pythagorean pentagram itself, which is at their core in the center, a Core of Inner Being (the "soul" of "the stuff"). When one had Health, they were considered Zoös and in their hearts there was Eros (the word did not mean "erotic" in the sense we mean it today at all). To not have Health was to be Thanatos - a word that does not exactly mean dead as in "dead and buried," but means dead inside but alive, like a shell.
Same as Pluto:
Julius Caesar, in his Commentaries on the Gallic Wars (VI:18), states that the Gauls all claimed descent from Dīs Pater. This is an example of interpretatio romana: what Caesar meant was that the Gauls all claimed descent from a Gaulish god that he equated with the Roman Dīs Pater.
Metaphysically, one might say that is practically inevitable, in the sense of Underworld as above.
The second thing if you now look at the interior pentagon, it now resembles a house, mas, maison, the idea of a Mason. The Craft Masons who made Kilwinning Abbey were not Scottish. They had come from Tiron, France, and probably included a few Italians. This was in the early 1100s. At this time, most crafts professions ran in Guilds, who all had things like costumes and mystery plays and parades that were done on the numerous religious or saint's days. What was unusual about Masonry by having secret handshakes and code words is because typically a worker had to go hundreds of miles to do a project that would last several years. Different languages were involved. So there were trade secrets involved to "prove" who you were to the local foreman.
Particularly in English Freemasonry, one finds a form of Jesuit tampering that begins a creed of Templar origin and a doctrine of revenge. On the Continent, this found favor with the Lodge of Strict Observance. Within the Bavarian Illuminati, there were members who favored this system, and others who did not. And so what Cagliostro is doing is going round looking for dissenting Masons to bring into the Egyptian Rite. Over time, this is what drifts into the Carbonari, against the English system. Instead, the Grand Lodge of England gets its hands on a Frankfurt Lodge, which becomes the source of the Golden Dawn.
Further along this dissenting or Egyptian line are J J C Bode, Nicholas Bonneville, and Karl of Schleswig-Holstein, friend of St. Germain--who was not a Mason. He was, however, present and involved at some of the meetings.
On a real time historical basis, Bode and two other authors wrote texts on Jesuit involvement in English Masonry, this being the plague of radicalism in the French Revolution. Immediately after them are Jesuit and other writings which concoct the Illuminati scare and so forth, and much of later history is saturated with this view. Published shortly after Bode had passed away, this may sound familiar at the launch of Judeo-Masonic theory:
The first to detail a masonic conspiracy was the French Jesuit Abbe Barruel in 1797. He traced the French Revolution back to a plot hatched by the Knights Templar, who, surviving their attempted extermination in 1314, reconstituted themselves as a secret society of Freemasons to wreak revenge on all monarchs and the papacy, seeking to establish a world republic by means of preaching liberty to the masses.
That article is really on Belgrade 1941 where it is fairly clear that it is anti-monarchist of two kinds, capitalism and communism. That is what they say. Barruel is like a self-fulfilling prophecy, since the English soon charter a Jewish Lodge in Germany. Yet as soon as we start to complain "only Jews charge usury", then we should remember that Christians forced this situation.
Correspondingly with the Egyptian Rites is a revolutionary who was not anti-monarchist,
Marquis de La Fayette:
After the storming of the Bastille, he was appointed commander-in-chief of France's National Guard and tried to steer a middle course through the years of revolution. In August 1792, radical factions ordered his arrest, and he fled into the Austrian Netherlands. He was captured by Austrian troops and spent more than five years in prison.
By "middle" here, we have in mind something like not clinging on to an old regime, and not killing and destroying everything in order to change it. This may resemble "moderate Liberal" or, i. e. a person of republican nature who might compromise with a monarch.
If it is not hereditary or life term, I am not sure there is a great difference between Constitutional Monarch and President.
I am also not sure that an Absolute Monarch is a better idea, but, it turns out to be some of these who were most generally interested in Enlightenment. America and its cycle of Presidency are supposed to be the same. However it does not really look like they have been successful.
I can say the old Greek system is at least fairly close to the Indian. The handshake is palpable. There was not a separated "the West" in that sense of the word. Although the Mughals and European colonials were highly disruptive to Indian culture, it has never "lost" its old systems.
Debt Jubilee was a King's mode of suppressing insurrection even up to Athens in 594 B. C. E. The Pharisees shifted its power to priests. It is arguably referred to in the Book of Leviticus; the Liberty Bell using a neighboring Leviticus quote.
Michael Hudson speaks on it, and says not knowing about it causes Christianity to be misunderstood.
Or from Jubilee and Social Contract:
The ancient precedent for these institutions was the Mesopotamian debt cancellations declared by the king, often at the beginning of his reign. These older debt releases were a form of the pardon power, a positive version of the sovereign decision analogous to divine grace.
Also:
At the same time, the moral opprobrium was felt toward creditors. They were blamed for impoverishing society at large by their selfishness. The Greeks called this hubris, money-love and wealth addiction. And rulers saw an independent creditor class turning its wealth into large landholdings of creating a rival power to the palace. In addition to cancelling debts owed to the palace, rulers thus restored widespread independence from large wealthy families whose economic interest lay in resisting royal Clean Slates. Large fortunes thus seem to have disappeared in Larsa and Babylonia around the 18th and 17th centuries BC. They didn’t have any President Obama to defend them from the “mob with pitchforks.” Hammurabi said that he was serving Shamash, the sun-god of justice. And Nanshe was a prototype for Greek Nemesis, punishing hubris and abusive wealth, protecting the poor and needy (already in 3rd-millennium Sumer).
This concept is very hard for Westerners to understand. Yet it was at the center of the Old and New Testaments, in the form of the Jubilee Year – taken out of the hands of kings and placed at the center of Judaic religion.
Even in Egypt:
The Rosetta Stone text confirms that the tradition of debt cancellation was upheld in Egypt by the pharaohs from the 8th century B.C., before Alexander the Great conquered the country in the 4th century B.C. It relates that the pharaoh Ptolemeus V cancelled all debt due to the Throne by the people of Egypt and beyond, in 196 BC.
In the present day, debt repayment has become a taboo subject. Heads of State and of governments, central banks, the IMF and the mass media, all present it as though it were inevitable, unquestionable, and obligatory. Citizens must resign themselves to paying off the debt. The only discussion possible focuses on how to distribute the burden of sacrifice needed in order to free up enough budgetary resources to fulfil the commitments of the indebted nation. The governments who have borrowed were elected democratically, goes the reasoning, therefore their actions are legitimate. The debt must be paid off.
We must pierce the smoke-screen of creditors and re-establish the historical truth. Generalised debt cancellations have been enacted repeatedly throughout history. These cancellations correspond to different contexts. In the cases mentioned above, proclamations of general debt cancellation were made at the initiative of rulers concerned with upholding social peace. In some cases, cancellations resulted from social struggles exacerbated by economic crisis and the rise of inequality. This was the case in Ancient Greece and Rome.
That is on monuments, such as the Code of Hammurabi. It is arguable from the Bible. It sounds like an attempt at social contract although no elected leader does this. At least I don't think so.
I have no political answer about the best kind of social contract.
I think we have some very fake Greek roots by "proclaiming Democracy". I don't see much that looks like Enlightenment values mixed with human productivity. I do not have a religion, although I have visited services of several denominations. I did not get it. However that was different when I became a regular visitor of a Syrian Mission of Orthodoxy. One unmistakable difference is many icons of a living Jesus rather than Crucifixion. That simple image again sounds like a draconian difference in the two spheres.
It may be mostly an intra-Christian concern, but, that is the religion of Jerusalem, and the denominations, aren't. This is a non-European religion. The West hasn't got a religion, it removed whatever may have been there. Subsequently, this language, English, barely existed before the 1500s. It is not geared to promote the ideas of Pythagoras or even Orthodox Christianity. It is more like a mix of religious Fundamentalism with Atheism. That is the kind of background it grew up in.
Those vaults of ideas go along with objective history, and so we are going to fold in recent archaeology and genetics. Following a couple tracks of written history:
Zoroaster --> Yazidism
Abraham --> Mandaeanism
This takes a few pages and is not really in order, so here is a summary of what is posted. The sub-posts in this thread bear out in great detail very many of the issues which are dim or absent elsewhere. This is like a thirty year project combining other thirty years projects, e. g., HPB, Tarpley, Aurobindo, Talageri, ISGP, and so on.
8: Chaucer and citizenship laws
9: Mariupol, Greece, Rose Croix, Cagliostro Jewel
10: Against Oligarchy, HPB, the Sikh Empire, Buddhism and Hesychasm
11: World Government
12: HPB, Russian ancestry, Orthodoxy, goddess Fortuna
13: Fixed Cross, Nychthemeron, original Theosophy and Buddhism, goddess Fortuna
15: Zodiac and Sophia
16: Zionist Ezekiel, goddess Hathor, Simonian Emanations
18: Goddess Ma'at, western and eastern Zodiacs and magic
20: Athanasius Kircher
Page Two:
22: Sanskrit and Virgo in Nepal
23: Gemini, Antimony, Hingula Mata, Saffron, Bogazkoy Seal
24: Zodiac, Lukshur, proto-Greece and Egypt, Atlantis maps, Dwarka
25: Indian History, Time cycles and Ages, King Harsha
26: King Amsuvarman, Bhrkuti and the 600s in India
27: Lapis Lazuli behind all civilizations
28: First suicide bombing and related links
30: Aristotle and Mabel Talvas
31: Patrick Henry and Anti-Federalism
32: Russian Sobornost
33: Conspiracy Theory
34: Rockefeller and Fascist Argentina; island of Hvar, Croatia
34: Senzar and Buddhism
36: Planes and Theos
37: Lexovii and Apollo, Gospels and Genesis, Saturn, the Mandaeans
38: Sibyl and Christos
39: Paul
40: Pistis, Charis, Eucharist, Decanates
Page Three:
41: Eden in Sri Lanka
42: Harran, Mandaean Zodiac
43: Mountain Jews
44: Milton, Dante, and Swabia
45: Inversion of Paul, Eusebia, and Hesychia
46: Some Roman consequences
47: Nazarene and Baal
48: Synarchy and LaRouche
50: Sefer Toldot Yeshu as satire, Paul and Apollonius (?)
52: French Capitalism
53: Empress Wu
56: LaRouchians and Jesuitry
57: France, Toulouse, Freemasonry and finance
59: HPB against pre-Zionism
60: Austria and Byzantium
Page Four:
61: Reformation argument against Marcion; Mandaism
62: International Chamber of Commerce, American Fascism
63: Mother Jones 1983, Italy, Chapultepec and the United Nations
64: Nero and the Christians of 96
65: Byzantium and Michael Hudson, Kanesh library of mail, Russia and 1439, various empires
66: Aphesis and Melchizedek
67: School of Isfahan, ancient Iranian seals
68: Ibex and Scorpion
69: Jiroft to King Solomon, Aramaic and Mandaic
70: Mandean backstory
71: Mandean selection of Zoroastrianism, Aleppo and Characene
72: Zoroaster re-considered; Lake Urmia; Tin, U4 and Sintashta (Uralic) and Kalash (Chitrali)
73: Avesta and its physical history, Animal Musicians
74: Yashts pattern, Ulug Tepe, Helmand
75: Avestan spirituality and Mandean hybrid, Sogdia and Camels, Denkard and Bag Nask, Mandean Planets and Hamun
76: Mantras and Herakles of All Nations, Parthian Empire and Commagene
77: Avestan accretions and the Denkard
78: Tengri, the Therapeutae and Serapis
79: National Rivalries and The Year; Enoch
80: Sraosa and syncretism; calendar making, including the Holy Spirit
Page Five
81: Egypt
82: Syncretic Deity and Saturn
83: Mandylion and Thomas
84: Edessa
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Democracy Ending
Plasma
Dimension discusses the term and the Spherical Trigonometry of the Platonic Solids; Wheel of Ezekiel.
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