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    BOMBSHELL new details on the 9/11 attacks revealed in court documents | Redacted with Clayton Morris



    A recent court filing suggests that two 9/11 hijackers were working with the CIA. This comes from Donald Canestraro, a veteran of the DEA and investigator for the Office of Military Commissions. Canestraro details how two 9/11 attackers were both connected to the CIA and Saudi intelligence. In fact, when the FBI attempted to monitor the two men, they were told that it was not their case or jurisdiction.

    This is an important story which has received close to no media coverage of course.

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    The world changed at 9/11. And now we know that two of the Saudi hijackers were working with the CIA. Is the Company an enemy of the state?


    George Galloway also refers to this latest 9/11 info in his monologue (starting at 6:12) on the CIA

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    this tweet is from 5 years ago - so this subject has been lurking around for a while - I got it from a link I had saved - is John Brennan a key player in deadly shenanigans and anti American activities - including the 9/11 attacks.... ?




    the person who made the tweet said in a comment that he got the info from this article - I'll copy the whole thing in case it disappears - it's very interesting especially when you bear in mind the closeness of Brennan and Obama - and now Obama's VP, Biden has been dredged up to be installed as the Puppet President to top all Puppet Presidents - at a time when the Deep State destruction of America is reaching a critical point - Brennan is an arch enemy of Trump and when Trump tried to take his security clearance away - it didn't happen and the order from the PRESIDENT was ignored - showing how much power Brennan has behind the scenes...

    So it doesn't seem much of a stretch to speculate that Brennan could be a key 'insider' (or Deep State operative or Muslim double agent or spy or whatever he is) behind the 9/11 attacks...

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    CIA director is a Muslim Convert?
    Before John Owen Brennan became Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on March 8, 2013, he had spent 25 years with the CIA in a succession of positions, including as a Near East and South Asia analyst, station chief in Saudi Arabia, chief of staff to CIA director George Tenet, and director of the National Counterterrorism Center. After leaving government service in 2005, Brennan was CEO of The Analysis Corporation, a security consulting business. He returned to government service with the Obama administration as Homeland Security Advisor on January 20, 2009.


    Barack Obama (l) and John Brennan (r) Photo by Joshua Roberts/Bloomberg via Getty Images


    Peter Baker and Mark Mazzetti write for The New York Times that “in the 67 years since the C.I.A. was founded, few presidents have had as close a bond with their intelligence chiefs as Mr. Obama has forged with Mr. Brennan. It is a relationship that has shaped the policy and politics of the debate over the nation’s war with terrorist organizations, as well as the agency’s own struggle to balance security and liberty.”

    Given Obama’s special bond with Brennan, if the latter is a Muslim convert, there are troubling national security implications.


    Brennan’s questionable loyalty dates back to the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

    On September 18, 2014, on the Ground Zero radio program, a whistle blower named Greg Ford of the 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion claimed that Brennan, as chief of the CIA station in Jeda, overrode concerns and ordered that the visas of the 19 plane-hijackers be stamped. At 1:32:47 into the interview, Ford talked about ISIS and how it was created. Someone called in with a question about 9/11. Ford said:

    “All 19 high jackers? Where did they get their visas stamped before they came to this country to launch 9/11? They got their visas stamped in the CIA station in Jeda. And the second in command said ‘No way, absolutely we are not going to stamp those visas.’ And the fellow who was in charge, his name was John Brennan. He was the person who overrode those concerns and cautions and ordered those visas stamped in Jeda.”



    There have long been rumors that John Owen Brennan is a Muslim convert. A member of this Confortium, John Molloy, Chairman of the National Vietnam & Gulf War Veterans Coalition, has heard of those rumors from his military sources. Now, we have published confirmation from a credible journalist.

    Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and columnist. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency. (See his extended bio here.)

    In a for-subscribers-only article for his news site, Wayne Madsen Report, on August 11, 2015, Madsen maintains there is “growing evidence that CIA’s John Brennan is a Wahhabist convert.”


    Madsen begins by noting that Obama had wanted to appoint Brennan CIA director in 2009, but there was internal CIA and congressional opposition to his nomination, ostensibly because of Brennan’s involvement in “enhanced interrogation” techniques used against detainees after 9/11, but the actual reasons for the initial opposition remains unclear to this day.

    When the Senate eventually voted to confirm Brennan in 2013, 34 senators voted no, including Rand Paul (R-KY), who attempted to filibuster the confirmation vote; Ted Cruz (R-TX); Charles Grassley (R-IA); Patrick Leahy (D-VT); Mike Lee (R-UT); Jeff Merkley (D-OR); Bernie Sanders (D-VT); and Richard Shelby (R-AL). Barbara Boxer (D-CA) did not vote. Madsen asks, “What did these senators actually know about Brennan, especially the Democrats, who decided Brennan was not for for the job?”

    Madsen lists the following tell-tale signs of Brennan’s conversion to Islam:

    When Brennan, then Obama’s deputy national security adviser, was sworn in to head the CIA, “the Jesuit-educated former CIA officer opted to take the oath on a copy of the U.S. Constitution, not on the bible as every past CIA director, Christian and Jewish, had done.”
    Brennan is the highest-ranking U.S. official to have ever visited the Islamic holy city of Mecca, a privilege reserved only for pious Muslims and special guests of the Saudi King, who is the “Guardian of the Two Shrines of Mecca and Medina.”
    At the National Security Council and at the CIA, Brennan has forbidden the use of the term “jihadist” to describe Islamist terrorists, preferring instead the word “extremists.”
    Madsen then presents the following “ample evidence” that Brennan is not just a Muslim convert, but a convert to Wahhabist Islam — the same sect as Osama bin Laden’s — who considers himself a “jihadist,” or “holy warrior”:


    1.“The recent revelation by retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), that the Obama administration, including Brennan at the CIA, ignored the threat of the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), provides yet further proof that a Saudi and Wahhabist ‘Manchurian Candidate’ now occupies the director’s chair on the seventh floor of the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. Flynn said that the White House and supporters of the Syrian rebellion against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, ignored the DIA’s SECRET report from August 2012 on the rise of the Islamist caliphate in Syria and Iraq and did nothing to stop it.” Flynn also asserted that the Obama administration funneled arms to Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Al Qaeda in Iraq.

    2. Brennan has shuttled frequently between Langley, Jerusalem, and Riyadh to coordinate arms transfers and other logistical support to ISIL and their allied fighters in Syria and Iraq. Witnesses in Syria, the Golan Heights, Iraq’s Anbar province, and Iraqi Kurdistan to have seen CIA and Israeli Mossad commandos transferring weapons to ISIL and affiliated forces.

    3. A few weeks before the Senate voted to confirm Brennan as CIA director, former FBI agent John Guandolo revealed that Brennan had, indeed, converted to Wahhabist Islam while he was CIA station chief in Riyadh. Guandalo quoted Brennan as having said that he “marveled at the majesty of the Hajj,” the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca that is reserved only for devout Muslims. Guandalo was quoted as telling a radio interviewer, “Mr. Brennan did convert to Islam when he served in an official capacity on the behalf of the United States in Saudi Arabia.”

    According to Madsen, there are other CIA converts to Muslim, including:

    The chief of the CIA’s Counter-Terrorism Center under Brennan, who is known only as “Roger,” is a convert to Sunni Islam — a fact that was reported by The Washington Post. Roger’s career at the CIA started about the same time that Brennan joined the agency. Roger, whose real name is Michael A. D’Andrea or “Mike”, joined in 1979, Brennan in 1980. Both became fluent in Arabic. D’Andrea’s CIA nickname was “The Wolf.”
    Muhammad Abdel Karim Grimm, a chief CIA operative at the Munich Islamic Center (MIC), is a German Christian convert to Salafist Islam. The MIC was funded by the CIA during the Cold War as a Muslim Brotherhood operating cell in Munich which recruited Turkish Muslim CIA operatives from Germany’s Turkish “guest worker” community.
    Andrew Warren, who speaks six Arabic dialects and Persian, is another convert to Islam who rose in the ranks of the CIA. In 2008, Warren, the CIA’s station chief in Algiers, was ordered home by the ambassador after he was charged with drugging two Algerian Muslim women, having non-consensual sex with them, and filming the alleged rapes. Warren left the CIA and took a job with Citigroup in New York but quickly returned to the CIA after the 9/11 attack. In 2010, Warren received a 65-month prison sentence for “abusive sexual conduct” while in Algeirs and unlawful use of cocaine while possessing a firearm in Norfolk. He pleaded guilty to the two charges but prosecutors decided not to charge Warren with rape, which would have carried a life sentence. Madsen claims that according to “a well-placed U.S. intelligence source,” Rolling Stone journalist Michael Hastings was working on a story about Warren and Brennan before he died in a suspicious fiery auto crash in Beverly Hills, California in June 2013, a little over three months after Brennan became CIA director.
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    Well if this story gets any legs, it will be to justify mobbing Saudi Arabia. 💨 If so, allegiances will have changed.

    Are those zillionaires not on-board with quitting oil? Hmm.

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    Well if this story gets any legs, it will be to justify mobbing Saudi Arabia. 💨 If so, allegiances will have changed.

    Are those zillionaires not on-board with quitting oil? Hmm.
    In the Redacted presentation in the OP post they say that NONE of the MSM in the US are touching the subject - maybe no Globalist, Deep State owned media ANYWHERE will touch it -

    They seem determined that the story will not get any legs... which tells us everything we need to know -
    the logical conclusion is that they are complicit...

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    And of course the CIA are CIVIL SERVANTS who seem to be running the show in their respective countries - in the shadows - and not the President, Prime Minister or any MP, Senator or any Govt Official.
    There mustve been a major falling out for Saudi to now be with BRICS. Wnder what it was . . ?

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    This angle probably has a lot to do with the historicity and similarity-or-not of different factions.



    Starting in the 1960s it is largely true that U. S. policy was crafted by David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger. This remained the case for decades.


    They may have been co-opted by extremists.

    Reviewing the likely plot timeline, around November 1999 it was decided to take advantage of the "Al Qaeda threat", realizing that a small attack would not have any desired effect. Therefor it was decided that the Twin Towers had to be the target to be as spectacular as possible. This was almost certainly not the personal plan or interest of Rockefeller himself, who is sidelined and described as about to "take one for the team" that he probably did not like. But he has nothing to do with National Security. So we understand he is not completely in charge of everything. Tremendously influential, yes, but a step shy of a dictator.


    This makes further sense because historically he is closer to the Pilgrims' Society, who are heavily "anti-semitic", pro-Arab oil, and are the Nazi Appeasers such as Chamberlain and the aristocrats over at the Bank of England. They pushed for harsh terms about emigration to Palestine and so were for example at odds with the Rothschild family. In fact Truman's State Department (Pilgrims) opposed the formation of Israel--and then Zionist money shifted the scene. It is alleged they blackmailed Nelson Rockefeller. He had been occupied bringing fascist Argentina into the U. N., which we found to be the same machine that next creates NATO.

    Out of 1,800 biographies of Pilgrims, only a couple members of Anti Defamation League or AIPAC were found.

    And so we can find a change, for example, maybe around the late 70s when the gang around Bush becomes more extremist and you have the foundings of Al Qaeda and the Taliban and so forth, which on the other hand is quite related to the Mossad and extremist Zionism as well, and this mentality becomes more powerful in the 90s as evidenced by PNAC, and it is fairly solidly and consistently the members of this roster who keep coming up in every kind of realistic review of who may be involved on 9/11, and there are not really reasons to involve anyone else.


    So, yes, then, CIA and the Saudis categorizes it heavily.

    Moreover, this is the same clique said to have assassinated President Kennedy, so it is like a flowing blob of extremism, being involved in numerous affairs.

    If it "does all that", what would suggest to us that some other, outside faction would be in a better position or have more capability to do what was required?


    For the future of Saud and petrodollar, we will have to see.

    I was amazed that Dr. Assad said the Saudis had quit infiltrating Syria years ago.

    They have gotten into relations with Iran and have plenty of reason not to depend on the U. S.

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    And of course the CIA are CIVIL SERVANTS who seem to be running the show in their respective countries - in the shadows - and not the President, Prime Minister or any MP, Senator or any Govt Official.
    There mustve been a major falling out for Saudi to now be with BRICS. Wnder what it was . . ?

    Re the last sentence bolded above... I'm going to have a guess that it might be that the Saudi Royal Family saw something coming from the West/US that would significantly weaken them and their oil companies and their wealth...

    that 'something' being the Climate Emergency Scam that is designed to usher in a era of authoritarianism and 21st century fascism .... that would by it's very nature necessitate the steady removal of private car ownership and the introduction of electric cars for those who can afford it - so petrol consumption would drop dramatically.... as citizens in the West have their freedom to travel curtailed... (that's their plan anyway)

    The Elite Globalist Cabal have probably turned to (and actually created?) the 'vaccine' industry to provide them with their basic ongoing income to replenish their wealth... because they would have to shift away from oil as their main money making venture... and also as the petrodollar collapses big changes in the world economy are on the horizon...

    In his latest video here...John Campbell in a piece about so called boosters @6:28 reports that Moderna is quadrupling the price of it's covid 'vaccine' to up to $130 per shot...and that Pfizer have also said the same... ... clearly there is a lot of money to be made on an ongoing basis if they can keep the whole thing going for as long as possible...

    Just speculating why Saudi Arabia might be shifting to BRICS -


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    {post snipped see#7 above}

    This makes further sense because historically he is closer to the Pilgrims' Society, who are heavily "anti-semitic", pro-Arab oil, and are the Nazi Appeasers such as Chamberlain and the aristocrats over at the Bank of England. They pushed for harsh terms about emigration to Palestine and so were for example at odds with the Rothschild family. In fact Truman's State Department (Pilgrims) opposed the formation of Israel--and then Zionist money shifted the scene. It is alleged they blackmailed Nelson Rockefeller. He had been occupied bringing fascist Argentina into the U. N., which we found to be the same machine that next creates NATO.
    That is one helluva link there about the Pilgrims Society..... thanks -

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    That is one helluva link there about the Pilgrims Society..... thanks -


    It is nearly inexhaustible.

    I link the ISGP site because it is all evidence--there *is* a Pilgrims' Society.

    There is *no* Eye in the Pyramid, NWO, Illuminati, or other mysterious "They".

    The site has about twenty years' worth of re-compiled articles, always building on itself.

    Those other terms are a bit like shills, intentionally slung so people will become obsessed with something they are sure is in control, and can never provide a shred of evidence for.

    There may be an out-of-context quote or something, but no substance.

    If there was a "They" it is not Pilgrims in utter compliance with rabid Zionists.

    Both are apparatuses of control over the average person, but there is not quite an Elite marching in lockstep to achieve a particular purpose, and moreover, Zionists are very nearly playthings, making one think of a Jewish conspiracy hatched over centuries. They may have had bits of legend or patchy ideas, but no type of continuity of power or organized means to implement this. That comes from England.


    The idea of imposing draconian laws and taxes on someone emitting carbon in 2030 is perhaps one of the dumbest non-starters I have ever heard of.

    Countries that are supposedly on board with this are currently increasing coal consumption.

    Sheer battery-powered vehicles are probably a far worse choice than public transport based on Hydrogen Fuel Cells.

    The modern conflict is possibly about Peak Oil, that dominating certain areas would keep oil in America's hands so others wouldn't take it. This has no resolution. Not without a rapid discovery of cheap energy, which is not, so far, shown by batteries. We will rely on oil until something proves itself as the alternative, and not by someone saying "this is bad". If it is bad, we should not have developed it so much to start with, and remained reliant on the horse. Are there really problems with a horse economy, other than it is smaller and slower? Does this matter much??

    We have made a right mess, even from the development of steam trains.

    Sailing vessels don't pollute, and they can go around the world.

    I am not convinced we have a viable upgrade to ships and horses. Not sure there is one.

    The new direction of Saudi Arabia certainly suggests there is no future in blind subservience to the petro-dollar. Probably several factors at play here, one of them simply being location, and whether to antagonize or cooperate with the neighbors.

    The CIA probably spent several years agitating the Uighurs of west China, so that it would be difficult to run shipping lanes through there--and this, too, is no longer relevant.

    All such transport is quite relevant to the Arabian peninsula.

    Goods can be foisted to the door of Europe, but, from that point, whether there is any type of exchange remains to be seen. The insanity of "economic sanctions" is so insane that you might not be able to get anything. How these places might work if they threw off the "America worshippers" would probably be a lot more normal and progressive than we currently see. In fact I am always surprised when I read about any European population that even partially agrees with them. I guess most of their history and education has been whitewashed so that they just conform. I used to at least be told by multiple Germans that their real, personal knowledge had almost nothing to do with official stories or books. That they knew and could talk about things beyond American consumerism. But if now they half believe in Covid and so forth, then, the cultural legacy is lost.

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    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)

    {post snipped see#7 above}

    This makes further sense because historically he is closer to the Pilgrims' Society, who are heavily "anti-semitic", pro-Arab oil, and are the Nazi Appeasers such as Chamberlain and the aristocrats over at the Bank of England. They pushed for harsh terms about emigration to Palestine and so were for example at odds with the Rothschild family. In fact Truman's State Department (Pilgrims) opposed the formation of Israel--and then Zionist money shifted the scene. It is alleged they blackmailed Nelson Rockefeller. He had been occupied bringing fascist Argentina into the U. N., which we found to be the same machine that next creates NATO.
    That is one helluva link there about the Pilgrims Society..... thanks -
    That might be the one area of investigation that may be worthy of a deep-dive on that site. Yes, there's a lot of interesting information and resource links, but too much of a lot of the site is just way too opinionated, and at times way off-base. in many areas. It's still worth a look, for sure, as there are occasional gems. This, however, as an example, isn't a gem: what he deems as credible or not
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    {post snipped see#7 above}

    This makes further sense because historically he is closer to the Pilgrims' Society, who are heavily "anti-semitic", pro-Arab oil, and are the Nazi Appeasers such as Chamberlain and the aristocrats over at the Bank of England. They pushed for harsh terms about emigration to Palestine and so were for example at odds with the Rothschild family. In fact Truman's State Department (Pilgrims) opposed the formation of Israel--and then Zionist money shifted the scene. It is alleged they blackmailed Nelson Rockefeller. He had been occupied bringing fascist Argentina into the U. N., which we found to be the same machine that next creates NATO.
    That is one helluva link there about the Pilgrims Society..... thanks -
    That might be the one area of investigation that may be worthy of a deep-dive on that site. Yes, there's a lot of interesting information and resource links, but too much of a lot of the site is just way too opinionated, and at times way off-base. in many areas. It's still worth a look, for sure, as there are occasional gems. This, however, as an example, isn't a gem: what he deems as credible or not

    Yes you definitely make a good point + caution (as always) is advised.....

    just had a look at the bit you linked to above and he does say .... and underlines that it's his 'personal opinion' on what conspiracies to take seriously and what to disregard...

    but just on the bit he has added into the bogus conspiracy list - - - 'all of Trumps conspiracy claims including the one that there was voter fraud in 2020...'.........means to me that he has either got Trump Derangement Syndrome or hasn't looked at the 2020 election in any depth... so his personal opinions get downgraded by my personal opinions for that remark about the 2020 election alone.....

    Maybe the link does better with factual historical research? - but I must confess I've only skimmed through up till now - there is just so much -


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    Default Re: 9/11 Investigation Information regarding Saudi Arabia, the CIA and FBI

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    That might be the one area of investigation that may be worthy of a deep-dive on that site.


    Agreed.

    Pilgrims' is the one main thing brought to light there.

    I would not say the author's opinions on Atlantis, or the section about musicians, and a few other things, are all that great.

    But, of course, it is nearly impossible to reach more than an 80-90% consensus with anyone. I look for those big pushes that can get us most of the way there.

    Comparatively, for example, if you look into the background of "Secrets of the Federal Reserve"...it was not that secret, but, consisted in doing the legwork to prowl massive, dry volumes in the Library of Congress...it was all available, open-source, and no one had looked.

    That one is also a big push into looking at our banking nightmares, and, turns out itself to be rather heavily Fascist in orientation, at least to an extent. This era will always be a bit confusing, since the Bolsheviks were not really "Russian", and so this enemy of Germany was not, itself, that viable either. The Germans--seen in their own light--are somewhat understandable. They got worried because they saw a lot of their lands and businesses suddenly owned by Turks and Jews, which, of course, to them, felt like theft.

    They were not stupid, though, and Ezra Pound wound up admiring them because it was one of the only modern countries to:


    Revert to state-based Lawful Money.

    When we look into Pilgrims, the Nazis were little other than a Germanized equivalent of England in most of their attitudes. Between them, some French, and Americans, one finds a "supra-national" crowd that has allegiance to nowhere, just to money and power in a "system" that would like to be global.

    The banking guy, Hjalmar Schlacht, turned out to be one of the few who walked from Nuremburg, because he was found to have not "participated heavily", had not directly hurt anyone or committed war crimes, etc., but simply belonged to the Party.

    It turns out that Pilgrims' Society was barely known to exist until the 1990s, unlike the Federal Reserve, which is in plain sight, and I guess took a few years to rile anyone's curiosity. And so ISGP has done a lot to move this from "barely known" up to a compilation of some 1,800 individuals, which paints a picture if there ever was one. This part is very objective and why I use those links. Simultaneously it removes an unknown "They"; as we see, so much similar literature and even posts on here are about "Them", which does nothing but land us in the realm of fantasy projections.

    The ideas and opinions on the site, not so much.

    But what we can find on Pilgrims qua Fascists, together with Laurance Rockefeller who is hugely behind C2C, UFO disinformation, and similar sandbags, is useful and accurate and not really summed up anywhere else, part of the point being that most of the disinfo crowd is there to prevent this from being discussed.

    This far after that fateful 9/11, it still falls back on violent CIA extremists using Arabs as patsies, in a continuous power scheme from their previous associates who killed Kennedy.

    It cannot mean the "whole" CIA, since of course things are compartmentalized, but it does mean that from within that organization are not only the people who like to overthrow foreign governments, but that they have no qualms in attacking parts of their own country either.

    From my view, as an American, I am still concerned about whether we should ratify The Constitution.

    If that had not happened, none of this stuff could be riding on its shoulders.

    No country in this earthly, mortal world is anything but man's temporary and feeble understanding writ into words and laws, which can all be changed. So I certainly would disagree with any notion that it is a sending from God to make something oh-so-great. Our colonial period and through the times when Jackson resisted the Bank were perhaps alright, and then it all mostly seems to be downhill from there.

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    Default Re: 9/11 Investigation Information regarding Saudi Arabia, the CIA and FBI

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    This makes further sense because historically he is closer to the Pilgrims' Society, who are heavily "anti-semitic", pro-Arab oil, and are the Nazi Appeasers such as Chamberlain and the aristocrats over at the Bank of England.
    That is one helluva link there about the Pilgrims Society..... thanks -
    That might be the one area of investigation that may be worthy of a deep-dive on that site. Yes, there's a lot of interesting information and resource links, but too much of a lot of the site is just way too opinionated, and at times way off-base. in many areas. It's still worth a look, for sure, as there are occasional gems. This, however, as an example, isn't a gem: what he deems as credible or not

    Yes you definitely make a good point + caution (as always) is advised.....

    On the Pilgrims, I've gleaned the photocopied lists from Joel von der Reijden and popped them in the library for any of us interested in perusing these further.

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