The Visions of Father Oliveira

[syrwong]

I am quite interested in prophecy. Because of the abundance of predictions for the end-time, which I believe we are in its beginning, I can gather from the rich information from the prophets and psychics and spiritual persons to make some speculations.

1. The Revelation prophecy says that there will be pestilence, war, famine and mass deaths in the endtime. This is not hard to guess they will all come in the endtime, until you realize they might be coming in the exact order. The pandemic lasted exactly 3 years. The first reported covid in China was in the last date of Dec, 2019, and China ended its zeio-covid policy abruptly in mid Dec, 2022, removed all restrictions in early January. This is exactly 3 years. Allow me to extrapolate this to speculate that the four horsemen are coming one by one nonstopped - 3 years for each of them. So that 2020-2022 are the pandemic years, 2023-2025 three years of great wars, 2026-2028 three years of famine and 2029-2031 the mass deaths prenamed agenda30.

2. When will the Economic collapse, the death of the Dollar? According to Dan Burish, economic collapse comes before the third world war. So the important day/month revealed by Father Oliveira might be this October. Certain this is a very great event. I have learned that this alone is likely to cause many millions of deaths, particularly in the poor countries. A date I might speculate is Oct 25, which happens to be a seasonal day in the Chinese Lunar Calendar, and is also 911, the eleventh day of the ninth month.

3. For the war to be WW3, it is likely that China will be involved by invading Taiwan soon after the Dollar collapses. (That is a historical certainty due territorial reasons, whether successful or not.) May also be a reprisal to the US erasing the debts by collapsing the Dollar.

The above are just guesswork for pendering and for fun. The future is almost impossible to predict, particularly with exact days. We are always caught by surprise when great events happen.

[onawah]

Lots more record breaking and disastrous flooding happening in China now, including Beijing, with ever more dams and other infrastructure failing, and no respite in sight.
See the posts starting here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1569827

Posted by onawah (here)
The breaking apart of and mud coming out of China could well have something to do with the ongoing and persistent failure of the thousands of dams constructed in China, resulting in floods of mud.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This is more precise, a direct translation of what Father Olivera wrote in Portuguese, published on 3 March 2023. It clarifies what he "saw" and what he interpreted, and also contains a lot more fine detail.

I saw the flag of China. She suddenly breaks apart and something like mud starts to come out of her.

I interpreted: Many hidden things will be revealed in China, or from China.

[Bill Ryan]

I didn't know where best to post this, but here seemed more fitting than on the WW3/Ukraine thread. Look at this astonishing 20-second video.

The text:

In the Krasnogorsk Military Hospital, named after Vishnevsky, an amazing phenomenon occurred - the imprint of the Mother of God appeared on all the glass doors leading from the first to the sixth floor up to the intensive care room. Father Svyatoslav Churkanov shared information about this event on social media.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58282

[Szymon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I didn't know where best to post this, but here seemed more fitting than on the WW3/Ukraine thread. Look at this astonishing 20-second video.

The text:

In the Krasnogorsk Military Hospital, named after Vishnevsky, an amazing phenomenon occurred - the imprint of the Mother of God appeared on all the glass doors leading from the first to the sixth floor up to the intensive care room. Father Svyatoslav Churkanov shared information about this event on social media.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58282

Looks like a great hospital with a lot of detail and attention. Here is an album.

https://gs.yandex.com/maps/org/tsent...124555829&z=15

[Bill Ryan]

An interesting discussion about The Moscow Prophecy*, published less than an hour ago. I'd highly recommend it for those who've been following this thread. It's 15 mins long, can easily be played at 1.25x speed, and there are shown some interesting historical images from Fatima and Garabandal. (In my opinion, the video title is clickbait-misleading. The narration is really very balanced.)

The video is very unusual (for this channel!) in its explicit, accurate, but also careful commentary on geopolitical events, including the war in Ukraine and Ukraine's own war, sometimes a violent one, against Orthodox Christianity.

* The Moscow Prophecy, one of the topics of this thread, states that after Pope Francis visits Moscow, military events will escalate and spread in Europe. A meeting has now been announced (but only in Russia) as a forthcoming event, on either 31 August or 4-5 September.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6QkkaphG3xw

[Ewan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
An interesting discussion about The Moscow Prophecy*, published less than an hour ago. I'd highly recommend it for those who've been following this thread. It's 15 mins long, can easily be played at 1.25x speed, and there are shown some interesting historical images from Fatima and Garabandal. (In my opinion, the video title is clickbait-misleading. The narration is really very balanced.)

I have not been following the thread because I tend to shy away from prophecy in the belief/fear that it can influence thinking; (as can any information, obviously).
Insignificant on an individual level but collectively, as a mass of minds, I cannot help but find that concerning. Just look at how the 'woke programming' is working so effectively in young minds hungry for a purpose in understanding the mess that is this world. Never stopping to think that the Andean shepherd, the Kalahari Bushman and the South Sea Islander fisherman would think them insane!

So from 3:17 to 3:43 in the video posted they point out that the word 'Moscow' never appeared in the original quotes in the book?

[Kryztian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... Francis has proposed to Patriarch Kirill to meet at a Moscow Airport either on his way to Mongolia in August 31 or when returning back on September 4. The Papal airplane must stop at Moscow for refueling. The city of Moscow has two airports suitable for the airplane to land.

This was predicted both in Garabandal and in the prophecies of Fr. Oliveira.

This is one of the elements of a triad of events that mark the beginning of the tail end of the End Times. Some have announced that they will occur within a very short time.

• Pope visits Moscow.
• Two “stars” collide.
• War breaks in Europe, Rome is destroyed and the Pope can’t get to the Vatican. (Due to occupation?)

It is now three days before the Pope's planned visit to Mongolia. There is still no official word from the Vatican or the Russian Orthodox church as to whether the Pope and the Patriarch will meet. Yesterday, the Catholic News Agency did a story about the popes visit and what it means in turns of the churches relationship with Russia, China and North Korea, which helps to explain why the Pope is making a trip to a country with only 1,450 Catholics. From What Pope Francis’ trip to Mongolia could mean for Vatican relations with Russia and China:

Russian state media has already signaled that it is paying close attention to the pope’s trip. The Kremlin-owned Tass news outlet even suggested the possibility of a papal plane layover in the Moscow airport as a “neutral” location for Pope Francis to meet Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill.

The reporter for this article is in the Vatican, but her only news source on whether there will be a meeting is the Russian Tass outlet? I have to imagine that since the Pope contacted Patriarch Kirill that there has been a lot of back channel communication, but they are being completely silent about what is happening.

I have to wonder what Kirill thinks of Fatima, Garabandal, and the messages of people like Fr. Oliveria. Is he laughing at the crazy Roman Catholics and their Marian delusions? Does he think Satan is behind these apparitions and messages? Or does he wonder why the Virgin Mary is sending messages to the Romans and not the Orthodox?

But the Russian Orthodox also have a strange story about the Virgin Mary, regarding an icon known as Our Lady of Kazan. The icon is believed to have come from Constantinople, but in the late 1500's was located in the city of Kazan about 500 miles West of Moscow. The image was stolen in 1904 and is believed to have been destroyed, however, there is another image, known at the "Fátima image" which could have been a copy from the 1500's, or could possibly be the original.

In the late 1569 there was violent conflict between the Russians and the Tartars in Kazan.

According to tradition, one night a little girl had a dream in which Our Lady appeared to her and told her to go to the ruins of a church that had been burnt down, and "there you will find my image."

The child's mother refused to let her go out, arguing that it was too dangerous. However, after having the dream for two more consecutive nights in a row, Our Lady said she would become upset if the girl didn't go.

So the next morning, the child's mother accompanied her to the church, where they saw a golden light amid the ashes. When they brushed the soot away, they saw that they were holding an image of Mary and the Child Jesus, and that it was glowing.

As they were holding it, a blind man in the area was said to have regained his sight, and the image became known as a miraculous icon. Word of the event spread and eventually reached the tsar in Moscow, who asked that the image be brought to the capital.

"Over the centuries the icon became known as the 'protection of Russia,'"

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ity-for-russia

The Fátima icon traces back to 1953 when it was purchased by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges. (The very same Mitchell-Hedges who also "discovered" a famous crystal skull in the wilds of Honduras in the 1920's!!!) His daughter eventually sold the icon to the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima in 1970, and it was enshrined in Fátima, Portugal and then in 1993 was given to Pope John Paul who wanted to returned the icon to Russia.

However, the Russian Orthodox Church did not want the icon to be returned during a papal visit for fear that it would seem like a triumphant return for the Catholic Church, and not for the Orthodox.

In the end, the icon was handed over in 2004, by Cardinal Walter Kasper, then the president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, and Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, then the Archbishop of Washington, who traveled to Moscow and placed it in the hands of Patriarch Alexey II.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...ity-for-russia

The image is now nicknamed “Vatikanskaya” and is housed in a Roman Catholic church in the city of Kazan, Church of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.

The Fátima version of Our Lady of Kazan.

[Tintin]

....on Rome burning....

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Forgive my musings here folks but I've been processing these thoughts of late whilst pivoting around the Oliveiran prophesies. Think of it as thinking aloud

Q: how exactly might Rome 'burn'? "War in Europe"
M: (= Musings) Regional/European current geopolitical background that might involve anything of a military nature with any scenario possibly escalating beyond Ukraine, but could it ever reach mainland Italy and specifically Rome? Bear with me here:

- Hungary making diplomatic gestures toward Transcarpathia, anticipated by some commentators quite some time ago, as a potential scenario, targeted for reacquisition-reabsorption

- Austria/Hungary linking forces again as per Austro-Hungarian empire?

- Poland/Lithuania making similarly atavistic overtures toward Volyn/Galicia - old Ruthenia (Lvov/Rivne/Zakarpattia - western modern Ukraine) already mooted widely in the agora, and legacy and independent media

- Moldova, with some suggestions that one of its regions may attempt a break from Moldova proper? The region name escapes me at present but I think the south-eastern part of Moldova? - need to follow that up; Transnistria already declared independent with an ethnic Russian population and permanent troop security presence

- Serbia and Kosovo: in danger of flaring up again, big-time.

And here's kind of the rub of where I'm getting to viz the preamble:

Based on 'prophecy' post a Papal visit to Moscow and the 'fate' of Rome: at the moment it's a little tricky getting a handle on quite who will, and quite how Rome would get 'burned'. Geographically this appears logistically tricky from the point of view of, for example Russia or Serbia effecting any kind of attack on Italy/Rome although everything is within reach with modern precision-missile range capability. Austria is neutral, as are Switzerland, sort of, meaning not-so much economically but militarily.

Gut says an 'Operation Gladio' (MI6) style sponsored false flag event from inside Italy itself, but, why? An attempt to destroy Catholic Christianity in Europe, says the good money. I don't anticipate Tunisia being geographically close to Italy wading in any time soon, anywhere, although given how very tense and unpredictable things are geopolitically across-the-board right now, anything is possible, but, there aren't any obvious signs that this is remotely plausible, so, no is the best answer to that piece of wild speculation there.

The only other possibly logical scenario would be a submarine launched missile of some kind from the Mediterranean. Whose, though? Not Russia. There's nothing to gain for them by destroying Rome; not their style anyway to reach so far beyond their own borders. And, no need at all. Israel? Heaven only knows. They're a pretty crazy bunch and one wouldn't put anything past them, egged on by their western allies.

But all this, although not entirely impossible, still doesn't really cut it. How will the "war in Europe" as prophesised unfold, and what would be the spark, the catalyst?

So: perhaps maybe not a manmade military event per se, but a volcanic event, a geophysical event? Might that be the cause?

Naples and Rome are not so distant from one another either.

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Right Next Door to Mount Vesuvius, an Even More Destructive Volcano Lies in Wait - Campi Flegrei

Source: https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...cano-in-italy/
Published July 7th, 2023
Map of Italy: https://www.worldatlas.com/maps/italy

Extract:

Predicting an Eruption
According to Pappalardo, what is currently underway at Campi Flegrei is the phenomenon called bradyseism—a combination of the Greek words “βραδύς” meaning slow and “σεισμός” meaning earthquake. In volcanology, bradyseism refers to a gradual uplift or descent of part of Earth’s surface, caused by an underground magma chamber being filled or vacated, or because intense hydrothermal activity is taking place inside the caldera, a large, round depression in the ground created by the collapse of a volcanic landform.

“Particularly from 2005 to today, the center of the caldera has risen by 98 centimeters,” says Pappalardo, or over 38 inches. In some cases, ground uplift can indeed be a precursor to an eruption, as was the case when Campi Flegrei last erupted in 1538 A.D. Yet, between 1970 to 1972 and 1982 to 1984, Campi Flegrei’s ground surface rose by about 3.5 meters (11.5 feet), and no eruption occurred–just considerable seismic activity.

“Thus, ground uplift is not the only parameter that has to be considered to understand the ‘normal’ state of a volcano, but instead it is the set of geochemical, seismic, deformation, gravimetric indicators, and more that allows us to forecast the future behavior of the volcano,” says Pappalardo.

So, just some thoughts, that aren't entirely all-over-the-place, but there, all the same. I guess we'll just have to wait, and see...

on prophecy

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Campi Flegrei is a serious concern. As a supervolcano -- not just a regular one -- it's on a par with Yellowstone and Toba, and if it went up it wouldn't just endanger Rome, it would bury it, and very likely all of Europe.

This additional report (from July) isn't all doom and gloom however. Although there are signs of increased activity it doesn't necessarily indicate an eruption is imminent.

The Campi Flegrei volcano’s crust is weakening
July 3rd

....The volcano last erupted in 1538 and has been unrest-free for more than 70 years, with two-year increases in the 1950s, 1970s, and 1980s and a slower period in the past ten years. During these times, tens of thousands of minor earthquakes have occurred, and the coastal town of Pozzuoli has risen by almost 4 meters.

The study, published in Nature Communications Earth & Environment, used a fracturing volcano model created at UCL to evaluate earthquakes and ground uplift patterns and determined that portions of the volcano had been stretched nearly to breaking point.

Lead author Professor Christopher Kilburn (UCL Earth Sciences) said, “Our new study confirms that Campi Flegrei is moving closer to rupture. However, this does not guarantee an eruption. The breach may have opened a break in the crust, but magma must still be moving up in the appropriate place for an eruption.

[....]The team emphasized that an eruption was not inevitable. Dr. Stefano Carlino from the Vesuvius Observatory explained, “It’s the same for all volcanoes that have been quiet for generations. Campi Flegrei may settle into a new routine of gently rising and subsiding, as seen at similar volcanoes worldwide, or return to rest. We can’t yet say for sure what will happen. The important point is to be prepared for all outcomes.”

https://www.techexplorist.com/campi-...akening/63500/

See also this thread: Mediterranean Yellowstone: Naples' Campi Flegrei Supervolcano

[Brigantia]

Posted by Tintin (here)
....on Rome burning....

Forgive my musings here folks but I've been processing these thoughts of late whilst pivoting around the Oliveiran prophesies. Think of it as thinking aloud

Q: how exactly might Rome 'burn'? "War in Europe"
M: (= Musings) Regional/European current geopolitical background that might involve anything of a military nature with any scenario possibly escalating beyond Ukraine, but could it ever reach mainland Italy and specifically Rome? Bear with me here:

- Hungary making diplomatic gestures toward Transcarpathia, anticipated by some commentators quite some time ago, as a potential scenario, targeted for reacquisition-reabsorption

- Austria/Hungary linking forces again as per Austro-Hungarian empire?

Based on a conversation I had with a Hungarian guy a few years ago, this is quite possible. He complained bitterly that Hungary was now land-locked, whereas it once had a coast on the Black Sea with territory that is now in Romania. The gist was that he felt that Hungary was a shadow of its former self. I'm not sure when Hungary's coastline was lost to them as I don't believe that they held it in 1914.

Austria also became land-locked as it used to govern parts of what became Yugoslavia, mainly what is now Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. So yes, this scenario is probable and would have the support of the people of Hungary. Perhaps Austrians too might want their coastline back.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Tintin (here)
Q: how exactly might Rome 'burn'?

Roman Empire isn't about Italy or Rome anymore, it is Vatican. So maybe it means a coordinated attack on Vatican. Maybe their corrupting of the word of God will come to an end.

[Ewan]

Posted by Tintin (here)
....on Rome burning....

Q: how exactly might Rome 'burn'? "War in Europe"

I believe, without quoting sources, many prophecies incorporated the idea that after the flood innundation the next global catastrophe would be fire?

Well after the recent Maui chaos and learning of previous horror stories such as 'Paradise' I would conclude that Rome burning would be relatively simple, especially considering the people with their fingers on the 'so-to-speak' trigger and absolutely bat**** crazy. They will escalate at all costs to achieve the conflagration they so desire.

You could think of it as a religous fervour, which in many ways it probably is.

[Tintin]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Tintin (here)
....on Rome burning....

Q: how exactly might Rome 'burn'? "War in Europe"

I believe, without quoting sources, many prophecies incorporated the idea that after the flood innundation the next global catastrophe would be fire?

Well after the recent Maui chaos and learning of previous horror stories such as 'Paradise' I would conclude that Rome burning would be relatively simple, especially considering the people with their fingers on the 'so-to-speak' trigger and absolutely bat**** crazy. They will escalate at all costs to achieve the conflagration they so desire.

You could think of it as a religous fervour, which in many ways it probably is.

..and undoubtedly what was really the motive behind the Great Fire of London in 1666: clearing land for redevelopment and spurring new industry that later sprung up in its aftermath. And we know how valuable City of London real estate has, well, always been, for those with the means to profit. (History chiming to the sounds of the 'Great Bell' at St. Mary-le-Bow.) Reminiscent also of Crassus' fire brigades.

"The first ever Roman fire brigade was created by Marcus Licinius Crassus. During fires, they would do nothing while Crassus would offer to buy the burning building from the owner at a very low price. If the owner agreed, they would put out the fire. If he refused, they would simply let it burn."

No prizes for guessing who started the fires...

[Tam]

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Posted by bobme (here)
Why must you have a religion, in order to see things that are going to happen?

You don't. One just has to have a certain sensitivity and openness. None of this is about 'religion'.

And if I may add, your own belief systems can bleed into what you are experiencing. So, if you are a deeply religious person you might interpret a messenger as Christ/Mary/God etc., or assume it comes from a spiritual source. As a non-religious example technophiles could figure it is aliens sharing a message.

Exactly. I'm as sure as I can be that this is how it works.

A very close analogy would be the scene towards the end of the wonderful 1997 movie Contact, where astrophysicist Ellie (played by Jodie Foster) meets a highly advanced ET being who appears to her in the form of her father because that would be most acceptable and reassuring to her.

So Catholics may see the Virgin Mary or Mother Mary, others may see Angels (or maybe ETs), and some may even see wise Native Elders or other messengers that manifest in whatever way is easiest to accept, also communicating in ways that reflect their own Earthly belief systems.

To add to this, a lot of NDEs vary based upon the faith and beliefs of the deceased person as well. Some see a void, some see a religious icon or pearly gates, some see the iconic light at the end of a dark tunnel, etc.

I think this, and the "shapeshifting" nature of "UFO" phenomena are all important clues as to the nature of human consciousness and how it affects our reality.


Back to topic, though.

Regardless of one's personal beliefs or religious affliation, it's all about the symbolism, in my opinion. Even a Satanist will recognize what a golden cross or bleeding white doves represent.

To that end, I think it's important to not necessarily analyze these things literally. A burning of Rome may not be a Rome the city, being on fire. What could Rome represent?

Going back in history to the Roman Empire and all that followed it, one could argue Rome is emblematic of a dark masculine impulse: conquest, domination, coercion, control (particularly over nature).

This is just a light musing, but maybe we shouldn't be focusing on geopolitical shifts, at least not exclusively (some things like the Russian flag are pretty clear).

Maybe the "burning" of Rome symbolizes a purification of sorts? Fire is often used for cleansing in religious rites. A catalyzer of alchemical changes.

Just my two cents. I believe in prophecy, however, I'm also aware of the power of human collective consciousness in creating outcomes.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's what seems to be an important update, posted by Carlos Caso-Rosendi, who has been faithfully reporting information from or about Father Oliveira. His added note is at the very foot of this page.

• https://casorosendi.com/2023/07/24/f...in-moscow-soon

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August 29, 2023 — Now Francis’ plane will NOT refuel in Russia

(VATICAN NEWS) In detailing the program, he said that the Pope will leave on August 31 by plane at 6:30 p.m. from Fiumicino airport and in a nine and a half hour flight he will fly over Georgia, Azerbaijan and China, among others. The established route does not include Russia.

[Tintin]

Posted by Tam (here)

To that end, I think it's important to not necessarily analyze these things literally. A burning of Rome may not be a Rome the city, being on fire. What could Rome represent?

Maybe the "burning" of Rome symbolizes a purification of sorts? Fire is often used for cleansing in religious rites. A catalyzer of alchemical changes.

Excellent - thanks! And was a genuine immediate thought after I'd fired off the thought tagliatelle. That niggling sensation: "But, what am I missing here?" Likely to be more esoteric, less exoteric, or literal.

[Bill Ryan]

An update, maybe a provisional one. According to his itinerary, Pope Francis should have touched down back in Rome 2 or 3 hours ago after his much-publicized visit to Mongolia. There have been no reports of the plane landing or refueling in Moscow, so it's seeming like the prophecy — potentially an important one that has attracted a great deal of attention and speculation — has NOT yet been realized.

This doesn't mean that such a papal visit to Moscow could not happen, but Pope Francis' health is not the best (he's now 86 years old) and traveling long distances will be increasingly wearing for him. We might be expecting interesting discussion about this on some of the Catholic websites in the next week or two.



Edit to add:

I've not seen this discussed or suggested anywhere at all, but it does strike me that Francis must surely be fully aware of the prophecy. If so, he might interpret that it's NOT a good idea to act to manifest this into reality, as then there may be the probability of an escalating war in Europe (and, literally, God knows what else).

This of course is the stuff of good time-travel-twist stories. If something seems destined to happen, and one is aware of it, how does one try to avoid it? But the only way it seems possible for all this to manifest now is for Patriarch Kirill (or even Putin!) to proactively invite Francis to Moscow, in such a way that he could hardly decline the offer. If that were to happen, it's reasonable to assume it might be quite soon.

[Kryztian]

Of the four girls who witnessed the apparitions in Garabandal, the "Moscow Prophecy" came through Maria "Conchita" Gonzalez. Conchita is now 74 and lives on Long Island, although she occasionally visits Garabandal. She keeps a low profile, although she still has a secret or two left to reveal for when the time comes. There is a Facebook group about Garabandal and the administrator, Glen Hudson claims to be in touch regularly with Conchita and had this to say about the Pope's trip to Mongolia:

[Bill Ryan]

No more news or comment from Carlos Caso-Rosendi (who faithfully reports all of Father Oliveria's visions), or from Father Oliveira himself. The failure of Pope Francis to land in Moscow after all seemed to stymie everything, and it seems it conceivably has to be possible that Francis canceled the visit deliberately so as not to usher in the fulfilment of the prophecy.

But now, there's this — and (if this correctly reflects the Pope's statements) my guess is that Patriarch Kirill wouldn't be specially keen any more to see him at all. Where this leaves us, I have no idea.

But I do have to say that if this apparent war-supporting rhetoric by the head of the Catholic Church is for real, this does maybe suggest the arrival of the prophesied apostasy* within the Vatican.

* apostasy: 1. an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith. 2. abandonment of a previous loyalty.

The Pope calls for more weapons to Ukraine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4RdkUDiWV7Q

[9ideon]

That Moscow prophecy, can someone please put it down in simple writing, I cannot find it on any of the posts, I feel there might be something ye are all missing here, not sure though, need to see the verse.