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    Default The reason most Governments are stupid, evil and insane

    This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

    One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

    It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

    David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/YFcunRTN83m4
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    Thanks Arwen. This was excellent . I feel I am very right brain and this explains it well.

    Also, the recent James Webb tele pics have Michio Kaku saying the big bang never happened.
    Thats what I though all along. lol

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    This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

    One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

    It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

    David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/YFcunRTN83m4
    Actually, I'd argue a little with David about this.

    Here's my own briefest summary, in just a fewparagraphs. Everything that David presents is true. But its not the cause. It's the underlying weakness. Everything else around takes advantage of that.

    CIA mind control researcher and whistleblower Robert Duncan stated that the mind has no firewall. He meant this in a slightly different sense, but the common factor is that most humans don't have the wherewithal to withstand all the influences on them — basically as highly intelligent animals with an immortal spirit, often itself with little or no influence or control over the animal it inhabits, hanging on in there for dear life. )

    So the uber-rational left brain is adept at justifying anything in its sphere or perception. That includes temptation of every kind. (I'm aware that's a biblical term, but it's still the best one to use.)

    There's a mind-virus in operation in most of the 'western' world right now. Leaders and politicians of every kind are infected beyond any hope of change or rescue. And media propaganda takes care of the rest, with most regular citizens just as hypnotized by what their infected leaders maintain and urge people to believe.

    In my personal view, the mind virus isn't a metaphor. It's a non-physical effect (not an actual 'virus'), but it operates as one. In many ways it's also like a parasite, inasmuch as it keeps its host alive. (The viruses that spread most widely don't kill their hosts quickly at all, if ever.) And looping back to David's thesis, our left brains do very little to protect us.
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    You are welcome the painterdoug, I completely relate. I feel very right brained too, although my left brain basic functionality still exists and works, but in harmony with the right brain bigger picture. I am grateful for that.

    Bill, excellent comments, and I can only agree with you. Thank you for gracing my topic with your wisdom and intelligence. Much appreciated.

    I think the left brain limitation is a piece of the puzzle, and is what made it possible - laid the foundation - for the mind virus/parasite to invade. The virus would have gained no traction if the majority of those in so called "leadership" positions had whole brain functioning, connected with heart (compassion) and wisdom. And sadly I agree that those infected are beyond hope of rescue and are beyond salvaging at this stage.
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    Bill, this is an excellent addition and observation. I am often amazed at all the material that has passed before your eyes over the many years.
    We need a "spiritual Ivermectin" to rid ourselves of this horrible parasite.

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    This conversation does a lot of left-brain/right-brain comparing and subjectively defining.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    Bill, this is an excellent addition and observation. I am often amazed at all the material that has passed before your eyes over the many years.
    We need a "spiritual Ivermectin" to rid ourselves of this horrible parasite.
    My greatest concern is that there may not be an easy remedy. I've been thinking about this 'mind virus' for months, and I really do see it as a kind of evil, non-physical, infectious parasite which perfectly accounts for the lockstep views, policies, statements and sincere beliefs of 99% of all politicians, business leaders and media influencers in the western world.

    Most humans have little defense against this, certainly not the ones who are already corrupt, ambitious, and/or have already made their own deals. I was originally going to write a longer post, but edited it down as I don't want to derail arwen's thread... and David Icke is totally worth listening to carefully in the video that she posted.


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    This reminds me of the 1967 book by Colin Wilson, "The Mind Parasites". The concept of this sci-fi novel (146 pages) is not new, but more chilling now than ever.

    Quote "The Mind Parasites is a disturbingly creepy story of monsters that live within the depths of human consciousness, feeding off our energy and keeping us depressed, dumbed-down, anxious and living below our potential. Sounds like a common, everyday disease! But noted author Colin Wilson’s horror story is fiction, and you have to keep reminding yourself of that little fact as you read this classic metaphysical thriller.

    A professor of archeology discovers the existence of mind parasites while on a dig at an excavation site that has a dark and disturbing history of its own. When Gilbert Austin, our hero of sorts, receives the documents of a dead colleague, he is intrigued by passages referring to these mind monsters that live and feed off of human consciousness. Austin has an experience of his own that proves the parasites exist, and soon he is finding even more proof at an archeological dig in Turkey, where he confides in his colleague.

    Eventually, they learn that the parasites have existed for centuries, and that they are now preparing to destroy the human species. The war against the mind parasites begins with worldwide consequences as a small group of people who possess the mental strength and control are gathered together to fight the mind monsters.

    The fate of humanity rests with the ability of very few people to sharpen their minds enough to control the sheer ignorance and laziness of the majority. That alone is enough to send chills down the reader’s spine, and much of this book echoes our own modern predicament, where the tribal or mass consciousness allows all kinds of horrible things to occur in our world, including their own misery and unhappiness. The Mind Parasites is part sci-fi, part horror novel, with plenty of solid commentary on the paradigms that shape human society and evolution thrown in, giving it more of a nonfiction feel, and many times I had to remind myself I was reading a novel and not a first-person account by a real scientist reporting on a real situation.

    That’s what makes this such a skin-crawling read, one that will poke and prod at your mind, distressing and disturbing your relative calm with its ripples of unease. Because, like the mind parasites, this story does its damage just below the surface, and you have to pay attention to understand why."
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    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    A lot of government "stupidity" can be explained by the "secret rule."
    What is the "secret rule?"
    I can't say - it's secret...
    Naw - - - just kidding.

    The SECRET RULE of all government is "grow or die."
    Regardless of the format and organization, any government that is stagnant or shrinking in size is BAD NEWS for those whose careers depend on government, whether elected or appointed officials, employees, etc.
    SO, any excuse for government to spend more, tax more, hire more will be used. . . especially STUPID EXCUSES.
    (Look at all those "new" agencies created - "Homeland Security" - "Space Force" - TSA - and so on)

    The founders were aware of this tendency, and tried to nip it in the bud. Before 1820s, to be a citizen / elector, one had to be a property owner, tax payer, militia man, and held to a higher standard of behavior. In short, few Americans qualified. And with so few to tax and rule, governments were lean and mean. (Endowed rights cannot be taxed, and without consent, the people cannot be governed)

    Unfortunately, once the founding generation was dead or ignored, the new generation cut back on the prerequisites and, soon, any warm body could vote... helped by free beer on election day. Thus partisan politics and "democracy" perverted the operation of government and it has been downhill ever since.


    Need proof?
    The 1960s "War on Poverty." - - - wasted billions, built (and demolished) federal housing projects - - - boosted welfare budgets - - - food stamps - - - college grants - - - and we're poorer now than in 1960s!
    (44% tax bite of the GDP & hyperinflation)
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    Addendum : to "stupid government"

    I grew up in a Federal Housing Project. This project was built as shoddily as code would allow. And stupid is a compliment to the "genius" that designed it. They made blocks with 8 apartments in each. Not unlike a townhouse, side by side, but ugly. I realize that it is public policy that po' folks never can live better than their "betters." But. OMG. Even the Soviet Union's projects had more common sense. Instead of grass, each apartment had a crushed stone "front yard." You couldn't do anything with it. Kids couldn't play on it. In our end apartment, the drain pipe had an access cap in the closet. And you guessed it - every year or so - "waste" would bubble up through the cap as the line would clog. Oh joy.

    The walls were concrete block. That's not all bad, but they weren't insulated. Of course, the government provided the hot water heating as part of the rent. BUT no insulation meant they were wasting $$$ every winter.

    The poured concrete floors had a faux tile overlay that was impossible to keep clean. I don't know what the composition was, but nothing would work. Scouring with Brillo pads would not cut the crud.

    It's no surprise that most federal projects were demolished or abandoned.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My greatest concern is that there may not be an easy remedy. I've been thinking about this 'mind virus' for months, and I really do see it as a kind of evil, non-physical, infectious parasite which perfectly accounts for the lockstep views, policies, statements and sincere beliefs of 99% of all politicians, business leaders and media influencers in the western world.

    Most humans have little defense against this, certainly not the ones who are already corrupt, ambitious, and/or have already made their own deals. I was originally going to write a longer post but edited it down as I don't want to derail Arwen's thread... and David Icke is totally worth listening to carefully in the video that she posted.
    Bill, I don't want to take this thread too far off topic but I honestly believe that the mind virus you referring to is easily explained. It is simply good vs evil. While some people are consciously choosing sides most are aligning behind good or evil without really understanding what they are doing or the consequences of their actions. There are many examples, especially in politics but the best example of what I am talking about can be understood when it comes to the gender issues the world is grappling to understand.

    If evil can make you believe that there are more than two genders or that men can give birth or that menstrual material should be put in all men's bathrooms then you have already aligned with evil. A harder issue to come to terms with is war, people that believe that war is justified or necessary have clearly aligned with evil.

    Also as a footnote, there certainly is "stupid government" but I believe we have moved beyond the realm of stupid and entered the domain of evil government. Making this distinction is not hard and it has become necessary to get our terminology more accurate. Where this is all going is for another thread.
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    The people who run the countries were hacked, long before the covid transhumanist agenda. In some way, they divorced their spirit/soul/humanity, whether through trauma (mk ultra) or some other way, but you can see from a far that they are empty vessels.
    Looking at everything we’ve uncovered so far in light of the matrix agenda of the hostile forces, it is more and more clear that:

    1. Humans Are Now Hackable Animals

    2.Freedom And Freewill Are A Myth

    ..according to Yuval Noah Harari at least

    Some highlights from his speeshes:

    “Covid is critical because it convinces people to accept total biometric surveillance. If we want to stop this epidemic we not only need to monitor people, we need to monitor what is happening under their skin.

    Humans are now hackable animals. The whole idea that humans have this soul, spirit, and they have free will and nobody knows what’s happening inside me….that’s over! There is no such thing as free will. There are only deterministic processes and random processes in science and a combination of the two but none of this is freedom. Freedom is just another myth that humans have invented just like humans have invented God.

    Feelings are just biochemical algorithms and most importantly, what scientists and engineers are telling us more and more is that if we only have enough data and enough computing power, we can create external algorithms that understand humans and their feelings much better than humans can understand themselves.

    And once you have an algorithm that understands you and your feelings better than you understand yourself, that’s when authority shifts away from humans to algorithms.”

    – Yuval Noah Harari

    Yuval may already be a vessel for ahrimanic [demonic] spirits and an “Organic Portal.” There is no soul, just a mechanical, materialistic worldview. His words give insights into the mindset of many people in positions of high power and specifically the elite of the World Economic Forum WEF around Klaus Schwab. They deny the soul, spirituality, and the Divine, and they want to play God themselves.
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    Is every mind connected to form a peer to peer network that creates the illusion of a shared reality, making the appearance of material reality a simulation created through shared beliefs?

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    Thank you for your comments and views everyone.

    I am suggesting an edit of the title of this thread to be rather:

    "The reason most Governments are stupid, evil and insane"

    (I tried to do it myself but it did not stick)

    I originally had in mind the type of stupid ozmirage describes here:

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    Addendum : to "stupid government"

    I grew up in a Federal Housing Project. This project was built as shoddily as code would allow. And stupid is a compliment to the "genius" that designed it. They made blocks with 8 apartments in each. Not unlike a townhouse, side by side, but ugly. I realize that it is public policy that po' folks never can live better than their "betters." But. OMG. Even the Soviet Union's projects had more common sense. Instead of grass, each apartment had a crushed stone "front yard." You couldn't do anything with it. Kids couldn't play on it. In our end apartment, the drain pipe had an access cap in the closet. And you guessed it - every year or so - "waste" would bubble up through the cap as the line would clog. Oh joy.

    The walls were concrete block. That's not all bad, but they weren't insulated. Of course, the government provided the hot water heating as part of the rent. BUT no insulation meant they were wasting $$$ every winter.

    The poured concrete floors had a faux tile overlay that was impossible to keep clean. I don't know what the composition was, but nothing would work. Scouring with Brillo pads would not cut the crud.

    It's no surprise that most federal projects were demolished or abandoned.
    This was because I was looking at the unintelligent systems and people that render silly, inhuman and non optimum results. But as Bill, Sue and rgray have shown, this topic definitely wants to include the mind virus (weitiko?) aspect, as well as the hacking aspect raised by Isserley above.

    This is a vast and complex topic.

    The reason I am focused on governments is that they are the instruments - the tools - weaponized against all life now. In a sense, they always have been, but this is now on a global, synchronized scale. Of course they are directed behind the scenes by cults, and in public by Corporations (Public-Private partnerships), all of whom have now been shown to have an evil agenda - wiping out humans, suppressing them, crushing innovation and intelligent design with their legal systems, armies and police, in Australia going and killing the bees, everywhere cutting down trees for 5G towers, killing chickens and animals, poisoning the air, water and food and so on. Utter madness.

    I thought the left-brain thinking video by David Icke was a very good start to this topic as it addresses the stupid part. But the evil and insane part are now rampant and I am not sure how long we have left to discuss these issues freely, so wanted to put it on the table now. I appreciate the very intelligent responses so far on this thread. I am OK with expanding the topic to include the mind virus, and other aspects of this very unfortunate turn of events.

    I just wanted to throw in here this incredible short video of the singer, Dimash Kudaibergen, from Kazakhstan, who has an astounding voice octave range of SIX octaves. Not only as a balance to this dark topic, but apart from his flawless exquisite voice, the responses of the people in the audience - all normal, beautiful human beings who are sane and open and joyfully embracing being transported to the higher realms by this divine voice.

    It contrasts what life SHOULD be about and is the complete opposite to what governments are doing to humanity and all life now - a reminder of the evolutionary path we SHOULD be on:



    From Bill:
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    I honestly believe that the mind virus you referring to is easily explained. It is simply good vs evil.
    Yes, absolutely.

    The interesting factor in play here, I'd suggest. is that the 'stupidity, evil and insanity' is all near-identical.

    When a smallpox virus (e.g.) infects part of the population, the symptoms are all the same. That's how come we know it's a virus (which in many cases becomes very infectious) — and not just an isolated bodily malfunction of some kind.

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    Thanks Bill! And do feel free to have at it if you feel like it.

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    Governments are the way they are today because of the consciousness of the people running them. I see this really as a War on Consciousness between those who are connected to Source, Creator, God or the UCC as remote viewer Marty Rosenblatt would call it and those who have become disconnected from Source. Edgar Cayce described the two opposing forces very well during his readings on Atlantis- the Children of the Law of One vs the Sons of Belial.

    Earlier today, I just happened to come across this Cayce reading- From Edgar Cayce – reading 877-26 (Atlantis)
    Cayce on the Children of the law of One
    Quote 15. Their STANDARD was that the soul was given by the Creator or entered from outside sources INTO the projection of the MENTAL and spiritual self at the given periods. THAT was the standard of the Law of One, but was REJECTED by the Sons of Belial.
    Cayce on the Sons of Belial
    Quote 8. The Sons of Belial were of one group, or those that sought more the gratifying, the satisfying, the use of material things for self, WITHOUT thought or consideration as to the sources of such nor the hardships in the experiences of others. Or, in other words, as we would term it today, they were those without a standard of morality.

    9. The other group – those who followed the Law of One – had a standard. The Sons of Belial had no standard, save of self, self-aggrandizement.
    Cayce on how the Children of the Law of One see the interconnectedness of all "sparks of light":
    Quote 27. The entity knows innately the RELATIONSHIP of the soul – or the first cause of self – with infinity; the relationship of infinity to each entity; and that there is no respecter of persons except as to how and why each entity, as a spark of infinity, magnifies or uses its relationship NOT for self-indulgence or gratification but for the GLORY of that which is the source of light, of all that pertains to light. For every spark of light, whether in the spiritual, the mental or the material sense, must have its inception in infinity.
    The above reading can also be found, along with many other Cayce readings on Atlantis in this pdf from EdgarCayce.org.

    To me, it seems pretty evident that the people running the West today are the Sons of Belial. Here are some recent examples:
    • When ISIS destroyed the historic ruins of the Temple of Baalshamin in Palmyra, Syria (described here), out of seemingly nowhere western groups suddenly built imitations of the Arch of Palmyra (aka Arch of Baal). The following video shows Boris Johnson (UK PM at time) dedicating a cheesy Arch of Baal:
    THE ARCH OF BAAL part two | Someone_out_there

    • In Nov of 2022 the Balenciaga FashionGate Pedo Promotion scandal exploded. Alex Jones did a piece on the scandal:
    Balenciaga Pedo Scandal Brings The Elite To It's Knees

    Here is a pdf on Balenciago's stylist:
    Who Is Balenciaga's Stylist Lotta Volkova?

    In one of Balenciaga's ads, they placed caution tape which read "BAALENCIAGA". Broken into three words like this "Baal enci aga" translates in latin to "Baal the king". Translate here. Here is a link to a relevant tweet.

    • And then there is a scene from ‘American Horror Story’ where the last words of one of the witches before being burned alive at the stake are none other than “Balenciaga!”. Link here.

    Okay, so the western occult is openly telling us that Baal is their king. I will argue that Baal (aka Nimrod) is of the same consciousness as Edgar Cayce's Sons of Belial. These folks put the material above the spiritual (complete opposite of the Law of One crowd). The western aristocracy use their knowledge and technology to gain power and wealth. They are dark art materialists.

    As for Baal himself, he strikes me as a demonic consciousness, perhaps a fallen angel, who is completely disconnected from Source, Creator that feeds off the emotional trauma of human souls. From my cursory examination of our hidden history, it appears that the Children of the Law of One have survived by continually moving and hiding.

    In order to end on a higher note, I'll leave you with my favorite Cayce Reading:
    Reading #5749-14
    (Q) Should the Christ Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul’s oneness with God?
    (A) Correct. That’s the idea exactly!

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    Hello,

    This is always a hmmmm...question for me.

    Know from previous lifes that this question keeps cropping for me, what can we do to stop the fighting, to come to an agreement, to bring social order, because if all we are doing is fighting and trying to control each other, what is the point, it's seemlingly endless cycle of destruction, mistrust and degradation of the Human experience.

    This what I'll call "Force" I wouldn't say is evil or postive. This force has been on Earth for a very long time. This Force does not mind peace but has it's own version of Peace. This Force seems to want to progress Human Race in a direction towards something, seems like moving a large herd, not caring how many is lost, but get enough to the end destintion.

    This "Force" does not seem to care about one's beliefs/views of themseleves and or EGO. in fact, this Force seemling will use such beleifs/EGO to manipulate to a goal. if the goal is not met, it's still a success since the Human time as been spent on goals not impacting the Force progress.

    We can explain greed.
    We can explain belief.

    How can we explain, that through time, Humans have a thirst for control/power / to kill To lie and manipulate. To create endless cycles of war. Think the Human experience has been tampered with beyond orginal intention.
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    Quote Posted by arwen (here)
    This goes a long way to explaining the mess of the world today. The fact that most governments are disastrous to the well being of the world - the environment, the people, and all life forms, can be explained by a combination of malice by those at the very top and stupidity by the rest.

    One DOES need some reasonable rules and governance, but currently, especially in the US and the West, their "rules based order" is purely left brain and thus stupid. Left brain perspective leaves no room for variances, exceptions, wisdom, intelligent leadership or compassion. Using solely left brain thinking leads to nuclear war and destruction, so long as the rules are rigidly followed. (Rules are more important than life).

    It leaves out any possibility of wise and intelligent decision making. Purely left brain thinking is a closed loop system, thus necessarily entropic and is guaranteed to self-destruct.

    David Icke rather brilliantly articulates this in this 37 minute video:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/YFcunRTN83m4
    Actually, I'd argue a little with David about this.

    Here's my own briefest summary, in just a fewparagraphs. Everything that David presents is true. But its not the cause. It's the underlying weakness. Everything else around takes advantage of that.

    CIA mind control researcher and whistleblower Robert Duncan stated that the mind has no firewall. He meant this in a slightly different sense, but the common factor is that most humans don't have the wherewithal to withstand all the influences on them — basically as highly intelligent animals with an immortal spirit, often itself with little or no influence or control over the animal it inhabits, hanging on in there for dear life. )

    So the uber-rational left brain is adept at justifying anything in its sphere or perception. That includes temptation of every kind. (I'm aware that's a biblical term, but it's still the best one to use.)

    There's a mind-virus in operation in most of the 'western' world right now. Leaders and politicians of every kind are infected beyond any hope of change or rescue. And media propaganda takes care of the rest, with most regular citizens just as hypnotized by what their infected leaders maintain and urge people to believe.

    In my personal view, the mind virus isn't a metaphor. It's a non-physical effect (not an actual 'virus'), but it operates as one. In many ways it's also like a parasite, inasmuch as it keeps its host alive. (The viruses that spread most widely don't kill their hosts quickly at all, if ever.) And looping back to David's thesis, our left brains do very little to protect us.
    I would like to emphasize one issue that Bill made in this post, although it was minor compared to the rest of it. No human in this realm is accurate 100% of the time. I am writing this for myself as much as sharing it. No matter how sincere and accurate they are most of the time, they can be off the mark at times, thus the importance of developing discernment and always checking in with you own inner guidance system as to the accuracy of the information before adapting any information into your way of being. Be prepared to let go of the old if it no longer benefits you.

    Another point, even if something is accurate today and useful, things do change. I believe it is best to keep a flexible approach, not clinging to any dogma, ideology or way of doing things if it no longer is of highest service to you.

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    Hello,

    This is always a hmmmm...question for me.

    Know from previous lifes that this question keeps cropping for me, what can we do to stop the fighting, to come to an agreement, to bring social order, because if all we are doing is fighting and trying to control each other, what is the point, it's seemlingly endless cycle of destruction, mistrust and degradation of the Human experience.

    This what I'll call "Force" I wouldn't say is evil or postive. This force has been on Earth for a very long time. This Force does not mind peace but has it's own version of Peace. This Force seems to want to progress Human Race in a direction towards something, seems like moving a large herd, not caring how many is lost, but get enough to the end destintion.

    This "Force" does not seem to care about one's beliefs/views of themseleves and or EGO. in fact, this Force seemling will use such beleifs/EGO to manipulate to a goal. if the goal is not met, it's still a success since the Human time as been spent on goals not impacting the Force progress.

    We can explain greed.
    We can explain belief.

    How can we explain, that through time, Humans have a thirst for control/power / to kill To lie and manipulate. To create endless cycles of war. Think the Human experience has been tampered with beyond orginal intention.
    Your question is very valid, here is something for you to consider. Look at the history, as best we can observe it. Although no one may know the reality of it exactly, it has been a series of wars, famine, draught, religious conflict, I could go on and on.

    What if this place we call Earth was never meant to be anything but exactly what it is? Honestly, do you see any way of fixing this? It is not undo-able but it won't happen. It would require a spirit of universal cooperation and this place is not set up like that. We can elect a decent politician but how do they make any headway in all the corruption?

    If you begin to look at the myriad of cycles that have occurred here, there have been periods of cleansing the slate, a height of culture and then the slow downfall as you can see in the US at this time.

    Although one can have wonderful experiences here and may be lucky enough not to be in a war, famine or other disaster, there is still death and disease, divorce, and other undesirable conditions.

    My thoughts are that this is not meant to be fixed, we are here to experience this. That doesn't mean I wouldn't assist someone in need or do something beneficial, but I no longer see any benefit in trying to correct this system.

    I believe humans have been manipulated in many cases. We are seeing extremes of the basest human instincts operating at the lowest of frequencies. It is very easy to do if you are grounded in this reality. There is an ability to connect to your "higher self" at least that is what it seems to be, which will allow you access to a much larger picture.

    I can see from your question alone that you have that ability and are already accessing it. That thing you call the force is most likely what I am talking about. The thing is, you can't force it on anyone and they must do the work to access it. I believe everyone will eventually get it, but that won't be in this lifetime.

    I have found the best thing is neutrality towards this world, easy to say, hard to do. If you can maintain that neutrality you will be more available to access this higher self, higher frequency. The goal now, I believe is to stay there as much as possible. You seem to be empathic and that makes it extra hard, but it can be done.

    In your response to the last paragraph, I don't believe humans start these wars, there are higher forces that get their minions to do the dirty work. Very, shortly it will be AI that take that role.

    When I was younger, I thought I must not have the ability to understand the dynamics of what starts wars because they could easily have been terminated, but that was never the point, those wars were going to happen and not for the reasons that we are told. Why wouldn't Ukraine simply promise they would not joint NATO at this time. Could have saved the massive destruction, saved hundreds of thousands of lives, saved the environment ect. All for the reason of joining a alliance that doesn't even seem cohesive. That is pure insanity.

    Although what I write is kind of depressing, it is the truth as I understand it. Of course we have wetiko the element of us that will join in with the low frequency of control, wars, perversions and abuse and manipulations of others. The point is to stay out of the frequency that allows wetiko the power turn us into puppets for the forces that feed off our misery.

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