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    Quote This is a story that matters - this is a story that could revolutionize our understanding of human history and our ability to make technological breakthroughs to transform human society
    Unbearable naiveness.

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    Its my opinion their window of disclosure is quickly closing, with the threat of the others doing so for them, if they didn't "Come Clean"..

    I believe the deadline was 2030. Apparently the neighbors think it is shameful what they're doing with the gifts given them, or rather NOT doing with them...

    Can't wait to watch this play out, it's time...

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    This is a little off track but a good read and worth the time - thanks to aoibhghaire

    https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish.../a5835201.html

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    Default Sorry for posting in Forum Antarctica, it's about UFO but couldnt find a list of subjects to chose from.

    It would be intresting if any one has more info about this?
    Who is Grusch the whistleblower?
    Why do Mike West the debunker get all the airtime?



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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    "We have ALIEN craft in our possession" - Govt. UFO whistleblower admits BOMBSHELL | Redacted News

    Redacted, who have almost 2m subscribers, have this now so it looks set to gain traction.

    Of course we should remain cautious - we'd be foolish not to. As Clayton Morris says, "Yes, of course we have crafts from other worlds - you'd be an idiot to think we don't . . . . but why are we hearing about this now, that is the question". And tbh Grusch's initial statements seem over-rehearsed/polished. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to Richard Dolan's response to this, and also Joe Rogan's.

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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    Listened back to the 2006 interview by Bill of Mr X the UFO archivist. If one listens carefully, that witness uses language similar to David Grusch i.e. crash retrievals, bodies etc, there is a sense of corroboration there.
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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    Quote Posted by Adi (here)
    Listened back to the 2006 interview by Bill of Mr X the UFO archivist. If one listens carefully, that witness uses language similar to David Grusch i.e. crash retrievals, bodies etc, there is a sense of corroboration there.
    Yes, there's no doubt that everything Grusch says is fully correct, and a small army of researchers has been stating this for years now. Leonard Stringfield was the first to really draw attention to crash retrievals (many of them, too), and he collected a LOT of detailed evidence and testimony that's stood the test of time.

    The real danger, of course, is that all that research history is gradually being erased — and so there's a new generation now that may believe that all this is new.
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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    Hello,

    Can someone challenge me if I am getting this wrong.

    This stands out for me:

    In an exclusive interview, an Air Force veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency speaks to NewsNation about what he claims are extraterrestrial craft recovered and kept secret by the U.S. government.

    Grusch alleges the U.S. government has recovered non-human craft for decades and recently filed a whistle-blower complaint, stating he gave what he referred to as classified “proof” to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General.

    NewsNation has confirmed Grusch’s credentials and resume, but has not seen or verified the alleged proof he said he provided to investigators. Grusch said he can’t show NewsNation the evidence for national security reasons.

    So you can come on into the internet and tell the world about this, but can't show the evidence you have. Come on, how many times did this need to happened, people coming out with information we believe to be true and suddenly can't show any evidence because....... national security reasons.



    Really, national security is holding you back disclosing the very evidence you are TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT VIA THE INTERNET!



    Anyone of us on this form who has spent enough time, could make up the same stories we see. For me, this guy is likley an agent and not a "natural" whistleblower.

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    Been burned too many times to be optimistic about this. So not counting any chickens - there aren't any chickens to count! not yet, it's just a scattering of feathers on the ground. That's all we ever get - feathers, and they soon blow away. Ben Rich said these projects are so deep black that it would take an act of GOD to get them out (and benefit humanity). We have to believe that's true unfortunately. That congress are involved this time doesn't change anything for me. They'll only come out with what's in their best interests (and it's never ours).

    Don't forget, we've done this whistleblower dance before, lots of times too. Ben Rich included! And then there was Bob Lazar. The fanfare soon fizzles out, or simply gets drowned out, and in the end the general public are none the wiser, or simply give up caring.

    The first true crash retrieval whistleblower was Jesse Marcel himself, who in 1978 blew the lid wide open on Roswell. And he didn't just hear about it from other people, or see a few documents - he was there, and took an active part in the cover up. I first read about the Roswell incident in my first UFO book (forget the title) in around 1981. I've been aware of the existence of these programs since then. Wendelle Stevens, Stanton Friedman, Tim Good and many more have furnished that awareness over the years with their research, and it's as clear to me as a blue sky at noon that crash retrievals are real - they have the craft and they have the alien bodies, and they've been back-engineering exotic technology since at least the 1940s.

    Unbelievable that some (most) still view all this a conspiracy theory. For me, it's conspiracy truth, and it's just about waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. To be honest, barring that act of God, I'm not sure they ever will. I expect this feather to soon blow away..like all the others.
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    Goodbye, Time Travelers!

    Big day for ya, huh?

    Say hello to the Transcendental Object at the End of Time for me!

    Or have you already?

    Either way, Hello!
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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    Hello,

    Watched the video's in Miller post 16:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1561012

    In the first interview named: Military whistleblower claims US has UFO retrieval program | Elizabeth Vargas Reports

    At 4:37 in the video, the voiceover says Grusch provided proof provided to various goverment agencies, NewsNation adds they have not seen nor been able to verify the proof in question and claims was told by Grusch that he has not seen photographs of the alleged craft himself but has talked with others (unamed)

    Makes me wonder if Burch is part of the team behind the 4Chan Crash Retrived group we discussed here - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...08#post1557508

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    Default Re: U.S. Has "Retrieved Craft" - Official

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Adi (here)
    Listened back to the 2006 interview by Bill of Mr X the UFO archivist. If one listens carefully, that witness uses language similar to David Grusch i.e. crash retrievals, bodies etc, there is a sense of corroboration there.
    Yes, there's no doubt that everything Grusch says is fully correct, and a small army of researchers has been stating this for years now. Leonard Stringfield was the first to really draw attention to crash retrievals (many of them, too), and he collected a LOT of detailed evidence and testimony that's stood the test of time.

    The real danger, of course, is that all that research history is gradually being erased — and so there's a new generation now that may believe that all this is new.
    The Stringfield Material is all available on audio. Sped up a bit it is EASILY digestible. I can't 2nd this or recommend this enough

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Been burned too many times to be optimistic about this. So not counting any chickens - there aren't any chickens to count! not yet, it's just a scattering of feathers on the ground. That's all we ever get - feathers, and they soon blow away. Ben Rich said these projects are so deep black that it would take an act of GOD to get them out (and benefit humanity). We have to believe that's true unfortunately. That congress are involved this time doesn't change anything for me. They'll only come out with what's in their best interests (and it's never ours).

    Don't forget, we've done this whistleblower dance before, lots of times too. Ben Rich included! And then there was Bob Lazar. The fanfare soon fizzles out, or simply gets drowned out, and in the end the general public are none the wiser, or simply give up caring.

    The first true crash retrieval whistleblower was Jesse Marcel himself, who in 1978 blew the lid wide open on Roswell. And he didn't just hear about it from other people, or see a few documents - he was there, and took an active part in the cover up. I first read about the Roswell incident in my first UFO book (forget the title) in around 1981. I've been aware of the existence of these programs since then. Wendelle Stevens, Stanton Friedman, Tim Good and many more have furnished that awareness over the years with their research, and it's as clear to me as a blue sky at noon that crash retrievals are real - they have the craft and they have the alien bodies, and they've been back-engineering exotic technology since at least the 1940s.

    Unbelievable that some (most) still view all this a conspiracy theory. For me, it's conspiracy truth, and it's just about waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. To be honest, barring that act of God, I'm not sure they ever will. I expect this feather to soon blow away..like all the others.
    And we have folks today like Vallee (and others of the invisible college) saying, "Hey, look over here. There's a crazy thing happening. It's probably exerting some sort of control over our culture at large."

    and ... largely cickets from most of society at large.

    but i'll push back that whatever this "we need to get rid of the STIGMA" the government is pushing might be working.

    i don't trust any of it. but fun to watch.
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    some questioning the whistleblower's motives (Caitlin Johnstone, Scott Adams, John Greenwald Jr. of blackvault.com)


    https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/16...329146368?s=20





    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/s...975733764?s=20





    https://twitter.com/_emergent_/statu...460531203?s=20




    https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_/s...479751682?s=20




    full text

    Quote John Greenewald, Jr.
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    Although I have a follow up submitted to the Pentagon, here is their official response (as also published by News Nation) from Sue Gough, Department of Defense Spokesperson on today's major UAP/UFO story being copy and pasted, errrrr, I mean, being reported on within various outlets:

    "To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. AARO is committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads. AARO, working with the Office of the General Counsel and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, has established a safe and secure process for individuals to come forward with information to aid AARO in its congressionally-mandated historical review. AARO’s historical review of records and testimonies is ongoing and due to Congress by June 2024. AARO welcomes the opportunity to speak with any former or current government employee or contractor who believes they have information relevant to the historical review."
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    This is Such Old News... back in 1985 at a MUFON conference, Bill Cooper revealed this very information, as well as a LOT of other info as well.... over an hour long, but filled with valid info. He also 'named names' as to Who was behind everything. Unfortunately, the audio section of this video for that part is 'missing'... Back in 2011 when I first came across a previously loaded video, the audio was intact. I had thought to write down all the names, but never did.

    Bill also revealed that the US, as well as a few other major nations, while publicly 'at odds' with each other, were secretly working Together WITH aliens, and had built and occupied both moon and Mars bases well BEFORE the Apollo moon program, in the mid to late 50's.

    In the early 50's, a negative alien group approached the US gov't about creating Earth bases for them to use, in exchange for technical knowledge. However, before the decision was made, a group of human-like aliens intervened and warned (Eisenhower) NOT to get involved with these negatives, and instead offered Spiritual knowledge, but We needed to stop killing each other and get rid of our nuclear weapons. You can well imagine what choice was made, and resulted in the moon and Mars bases in addition to Earth bases for the aliens.

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    Quote Posted by mountain_jim, citing Scott Adams' tweet (here)
    some questioning the whistleblower's motives (Caitlin Johnstone, Scott Adams)
    1. Do the UFOs only crash on American territory or is the rest of the world in on the cover-up?
    2. And why do private citizens never see and photograph the crashes?
    3. Do UFOs only crash near military bases?
    Answers:
    1. Russia, China and Brazil know a lot about this — maybe Canada, Mexico, South Africa, the UK, and France, too.
    2. They do sometimes, but are quickly rounded up and threatened and/or bought off.
    3. No, not at all.
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    we of course, have heard this all before. Sounds right out of the Phil Corso book.
    The key to this story for me is the public perception equation. Soon those who looked at this topic as total folly will be saying, ohh yeah, I knew this all along.
    It will no longer be something to be scoffed at.
    The question is who authorized this release now ? and why? whats the cover up? cause you know there is one.

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    What we Have is The Direct result of This Subect and Info Now and Currently going So called MAINSTREAM.
    It Feels Controlled By The same Dark Shadow just with new and More Convincing Whistle-Blowers..

    Still feel Hopefull despite what my logic and instincts tell me.
    TRUTH and BALANCE

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    Saagar Enjeti and Krystal Ball from Breaking Points give their two cents ...

    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Been burned too many times to be optimistic about this. So not counting any chickens - there aren't any chickens to count! not yet, it's just a scattering of feathers on the ground. That's all we ever get - feathers, and they soon blow away. Ben Rich said these projects are so deep black that it would take an act of GOD to get them out (and benefit humanity). We have to believe that's true unfortunately. That congress are involved this time doesn't change anything for me. They'll only come out with what's in their best interests (and it's never ours).

    Don't forget, we've done this whistleblower dance before, lots of times too. Ben Rich included! And then there was Bob Lazar. The fanfare soon fizzles out, or simply gets drowned out, and in the end the general public are none the wiser, or simply give up caring.

    The first true crash retrieval whistleblower was Jesse Marcel himself, who in 1978 blew the lid wide open on Roswell. And he didn't just hear about it from other people, or see a few documents - he was there, and took an active part in the cover up. I first read about the Roswell incident in my first UFO book (forget the title) in around 1981. I've been aware of the existence of these programs since then. Wendelle Stevens, Stanton Friedman, Tim Good and many more have furnished that awareness over the years with their research, and it's as clear to me as a blue sky at noon that crash retrievals are real - they have the craft and they have the alien bodies, and they've been back-engineering exotic technology since at least the 1940s.

    Unbelievable that some (most) still view all this a conspiracy theory. For me, it's conspiracy truth, and it's just about waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. To be honest, barring that act of God, I'm not sure they ever will. I expect this feather to soon blow away..like all the others.
    I find it to be the beginning of an incredible insight.

    With the subject of disclosure, not uncommon to regular behavior, most are looking out into the mirror ( the world ) expecting it to confirm something not present yet in the vast majority of each of the onlookers. It is like looking into the mirror and expecting it to smile before you do.

    No-one really likes it when I enter the dialogue to point this out, but I will continue to do so when the opening is supplied, and I thank you for supplying it this time, Mark. Disclosure is not fundamentally an exterior piece of news. It is an inside job. Disclosure comes to us from within, through actual LIVE contact with it in expanded experience space. What we are seeing out in the mirror ( the world ) is where we are relative to how many of us are allowing the extraterrestrial reality to internally penetrate our own conscious state of attention. The extraterrestrial reality is not a belief, it is a knowing via direct experience from within. It is a far from easy thing to accomplish, and I speak from actual practical experience as one such volunteer signed on to help bring this reality in to the current day Earth human collective. If anyone else who is out there is truly wanting and feeling they are ready for consensus disclosure ( ie: graduation into 4D ), the thing to do is sign on for the real ( ie: fundamental ) work by bringing it in from the wider reality through your own discrete being. Consensus disclosure will only come to our planet when enough of us have satisfactorily completed this initial legwork. A tipping point will be achieved wherein the collective shock of the event will not be so great that we essentially destroy ourselves. That is really what we are, shock absorbers. It is a highly sensitive process, as most here already know.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    we of course, have heard this all before. Sounds right out of the Phil Corso book.
    The key to this story for me is the public perception equation. Soon those who looked at this topic as total folly will be saying, ohh yeah, I knew this all along.
    It will no longer be something to be scoffed at.
    The question is who authorized this release now ? and why? whats the cover up? cause you know there is one.
    I said in another thread I think the stage is set, the public are being informed thar there are goverment groups asking about secret access programs and the like all covered up under national security. If they want to come into the light ( like it appears they want to - all be it under their own terms) then their either going to need a major "event" - for plausible deniability or else a slow white washing of ufological history and the new evolving ground breaking science of UAP's.
    But personally I think there is a deadline approaching!

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