The Kordylewski Clouds + Plasma Universe

[jaybee]

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I've only just heard of the Kordylewski Clouds via Robert Temple's relatively new book - 'A New Science of Heaven' .... first published in 2022..

The Clouds are described as Dusty Complex Plasma and (by Robert Temple) as potentially being huge conscious entities - so this is another great meeting place of Science and Spirituality -

This epic quote comes from Robert in an interview (posted further below) where he says...(24:40)


'This is not an Earth / Moon system that we're living in - it's a Two Cloud System with an Earth and Moon thrown in....'


that's how radical this whole discovery is - that then leads us onto the Bio Plasma Universe -

In the interview another great quote - (there are many)....@43:33....


'There's the good news and then there's the bad news - the good news is that nobody dies - the bad news is................. nobody dies.....'


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Signs of Earth's Weird, Elusive 'Dust Moons' Finally Spotted

Dust clouds that orbit Earth like moons may finally have had their existence confirmed after more than a half-century of controversy, new research finds

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and one of the interviews with Robert Temple about it all ....

Professor Robert Temple talking about a New Science of Heaven (1:01:03)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BiI40wZdGqU

[RunningDeer]

“A New Science of Heaven: How the new science of plasma physics is
shedding light on spiritual experience," by Robert Temple

Summary:

'This book is an important contribution, and I hope it will open many minds. What is particularly important in it are the discussions of David Bohm, of bioplasma, biophotons, and bioelectronics.' - PROFESSOR ZBIGNIEW WOLKOWSKI, Sorbonne University, Paris



"Answers so many questions, scientific and esoteric, about the true nature of our reality... A seminal work... Will revolutionise how we frame reality and the thinking of everyone on this planet. Kudos to Professor Temple for striking the first match to light the fire." - NEW DAWN



The story of the science of plasma and its revolutionary implications for the way we understand the universe and our place in it.



Histories of science in the 20th century have focused on relativity and quantum mechanics. But, quietly in the background, there has been a third area of exploration which has equally important implications for our understanding of the universe. It is unknown to the general public despite the fact that many Nobel prize winners, senior academics and major research centres around the world have been devoted to it - it is the study of plasma



Plasma is the fourth state of matter and the other three - gas, liquid and solids - emerge out of plasma. This book will reveal how over 99% of the universe is made of plasma and how there are two gigantic clouds of plasma, called the Kordylewski Clouds, hovering between the Earth and the Moon, only recently discovered by astronomers in Hungary. Other revelations not previously known outside narrow academic disciplines include the evidence that in certain circumstances plasma exhibits features that suggest they may be in some sense alive: clouds of plasma have evolved double helixes, banks of cells and crystals, filaments and junctions which could control the flow of electric currents, thus generating an intelligence similar to machine intelligence. We may, in fact, have been looking for signs of extra-terrestrial life in the wrong place.



Bestselling author Robert Temple has been following the study of plasma for decades and was personally acquainted with several of the senior scientists - including Nobel laureates - at its forefront, including Paul Dirac, David Bohm, Peter Mitchell and Chandra Wickramasinghe (who has co-written an academic paper with Temple).

[shaberon]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
...plasma exhibits features that suggest they may be in some sense alive: clouds of plasma have evolved double helixes, banks of cells and crystals, filaments and junctions which could control the flow of electric currents, thus generating an intelligence similar to machine intelligence. We may, in fact, have been looking for signs of extra-terrestrial life in the wrong place.

We have been trying to say something like this since Dr. Crookes discovered it.

So, 99% of the observable universe *is* plasma, and the so-called "missing mass" that is called the reason for Dark Matter is only true if Relativity and Cosmic Expansion are literally true according to those laws.

The mysterious Todas say, when asked how they do healing, it is by love from the sun.

Following along, if the Sun is considered a divinity, and, it is a bunch of plasma which has an effect such as being discussed, that makes it more interesting. I can observe it, to say the least.


These are more difficult, but, they can be detected, the Kordylewski Clouds were reported in the 1960s, and, so to speak, "established" by modern astronomical facilities in 2018. Here is why they were predicted to exist and how it works.

There is, of course, going to be a set amount. Mathematics cannot actually calculate the lenses in your glasses, and, another thing it cannot calculate is what is called the three-body orbital problem. It is really good if you just want to think about the earth going around the sun, or a binary star system. However if a third item got in the middle there is no exact solution.

However there is a special case or a limitation where that lack of solution reduces to a definition. So, these plasma clouds are predicted as the "negligible mass" at the L4 and L5 Lagrange Points:


Lagrange points are the constant-pattern solutions of the restricted three-body problem. For example, given two massive bodies in orbits around their common barycenter, there are five positions in space where a third body, of comparatively negligible mass, could be placed so as to maintain its position relative to the two massive bodies. This occurs because the combined gravitational forces of the two massive bodies provide the exact centripetal force required to maintain the circular motion that matches their orbital motion.












Allright. So if these plasma clouds can be measured as constantly present, this is another example of a small object:



If the Moon were at one of the Earth-Sun Lagrange points, would it cease to orbit the Earth?


Yes.

L1 or L2: At first the moon follows a Lissajous Orbit around the Lagrange point. However, because the first and second lagrange points are dynamically unstable, it won’t stay there for very long. Eventually it will “fall” away from the Lagrange point either towards or away from Earth.

[...description of instability...]

This is a very bad thing. The moon’s orbit now evolves chaotically and will end up crossing that of Earth and other inner planets over millions of years, until it either collides with one or gets thrown out to Jupiter, Destroyer of Dynamically Unstable Objects. If the moon doesn’t hit something, sooner or later Jupiter will kick it out of the solar system entirely. In the meantime, the moon’s mass is enough to affect the orbits of the inner planets on close encounters, especially Mercury and Mars. A high-speed impact with Mars or Mercury could release more energy than those planets’ gravitational binding energy and cause them to be mostly fragmented by the impact (requires a speed of about 11.5 km/s for Mars or 7 km/s for Mercury. For comparison IIRC it’s common for asteroids to hit Earth going 20 km/s or more, although our stronger gravity speeds them up a bit), resulting in a huge cloud of fragments filling the inner solar system and causing Earth to repeatedly suffer extinction-level impact events. Ejecta from a Venus impact would also be devastating, and of course an Earth-Moon impact is Bye Bye Biosphere. And temporarily hydrosphere and lithosphere as well.


[L3 is similar, starting further away]


L4 or L5: This is the one where LaGrange points, and orbits around them, are actually stable. In theory. In practice I’m not sure if this would actually be stable with perturbations from the other planets, and the moon could get kicked out of the 1:1 resonance (again), but if it doesn’t you’d have a pretty interesting scenario...

...the moon would be in basically the same position in the sky all the time. It would always rise either in the afternoon and set a couple hours before midnight (if it was at L5) or rise a couple hours after midnight and set in the morning (if it was at L4). Every other planet can show up in the morning or evening, or any time of night for the superior planets, and sometimes are unobservable with the naked eye because their apparent position is too close to the sun’s, but the moon would be the one wandering star that seems to follow the sun! It would undoubtedly have a special place in the history of astronomy and mythology. Perhaps it would be deified as either the horse pulling the sun chariot across the sky (if at L4), or the wolf eternally pursuing it (if at L5).




That means:

This also applies to all planets and moons.

Has nothing to do with the magnetics or atmosphere of the planet, just its mass.

Trevor Constable was the one who started trying to photograph "invisible" things with specialized cameras, and he claimed there were animate creatures made of plasmatized calcium. It can also be found by certain radars and he claimed that twice the Air Force had approached it armed with AIM-9 Sidewinders.

Those were what were used to destroy the three slow-moving objects earlier this year, although one of them missed. Same reason. Using radar for slow objects. Except those were actual objects not plasmatic creatures.

I am not that sure about his story, but, I think this view that plasma is rather directly significant to life itself is the right idea.

[jaybee]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
[post snipped see#2 above]

[from the summary on Amazon...]

Plasma is the fourth state of matter and the other three - gas, liquid and solids - emerge out of plasma. This book will reveal how over 99% of the universe is made of plasma and how there are two gigantic clouds of plasma, called the Kordylewski Clouds, hovering between the Earth and the Moon, only recently discovered by astronomers in Hungary.

I was just thinking that if gas, liquid and solids emerge out of plasma then plasma must be the FIRST state of matter - and then I saw this...from Prof Vinod Krishan

Plasmas the First State Of Matter

Abstract: A plasma is not only the most prevalent state of matter in the universe, it is the first state of matter from which evolved the other three states. The universality of plasmas has however not made it any easier to understand them. Astrophysicists consider plasmas, at best, an unavoidable presence and reluctantly accept them, often without the plasma phenomena.

I shall strive to introduce the youngsters to the phenomenal diversity of plasmas in the cosmos and in our day to day lives. Plasmas can be described as a collection of electrically charged particles or as conducting fluids. Different levels of description of a plasma come handy to delineate the characteristics of an object, from its shape to the radiation it emits. The stability or otherwise of a plasma is the main preoccupation of a practitioner. Unstable plasmas are not always undesirable. Plasma come with different degrees of ionization. I shall also emphasize some of the novelties of a partially ionized plasma.

It's only logical that plasma should now be designated the FIRST state of matter....

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)

[post snipped see #3]


Trevor Constable was the one who started trying to photograph "invisible" things with specialized cameras, and he claimed there were animate creatures made of plasmatized calcium. It can also be found by certain radars and he claimed that twice the Air Force had approached it armed with AIM-9 Sidewinders.

Those were what were used to destroy the three slow-moving objects earlier this year, although one of them missed. Same reason. Using radar for slow objects. Except those were actual objects not plasmatic creatures.

I am not that sure about his story, but, I think this view that plasma is rather directly significant to life itself is the right idea.

Thanks for the reminder of Trevor Constable's 'critters'....

Just now looking for a Critter image to put in this post I found a couple here

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These low-density animals have names like air whales, sky fish and cloud beasts.

But the definitive book on the subject is The Cosmic Pulse of Life, The revolutionary biological power behind UFOs, by Trevor James Constable.

In his book they are known as ‘critturs’. The author includes infra-red photos and they look like translucent embryos, jellyfish or amoebas.

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
It's only logical that plasma should now be designated the FIRST state of matter....

Yes except...let me just postulate there are three more.

What I might suggest as more important, is that the fifth is *not* a Bose Einstein Condensate, which, currently, *is* called the fifth state of matter--just because it is "another kind".

It however is relatively unnatural, produced in lab conditions, because it occurs at states near Absolute Zero.

In this condition, the material involved in the BEC has the behavior of a single atom.

This behavior, for example, has been found to slow down light to a humble 37 miles per hour.

Qv. Hokkyo 1972 suggesting a plasma model for the brain's bio-electricity, compared to the then-extant Bose condensation model. Much follow-up research here? Of course not.


BEC has not been observed outside the lab and is unlikely to exist naturally. So, I would not run off claiming it to have anything to do with either the formation of material or consciousness.

Instead, if we propose solid, liquid, gas, plasma, x, y, and z, then the xyz are further states of how plasma relates to consciousness, and furthermore, that consciousness is a sublime state of matter. This has even come out of the works of virulent materialists such as Baron d'Holbach around Voltaire's time. That's his own independent speculation--consciousness is some kind of substance.

That simultaneously explains how the sun works, and, why plasma might help explain spirituality or the illusory-ness of death.

In the sense that plasma is the nursery for baryonic matter or the dense states, consciousness and the like is a governor or impulse to plasma. But I do not think we have instruments that can detect anything more refined than plasma. The only thing I know of that can really measure memory and the like, is a living organism. In Quantum Physics, of course, the observer cannot be separated from the experiment. "Vacuum space" seethes with quantum energy. So even if there was no plasma, there could be at any time.

I can't say anything much more definitive, but, this is both observable, and, I would say, more *useful* than some other kinds of inquiry. Whether there really are or aren't black holes--that level of gravity is sheerly destructive--how could it possibly be useful to a living organism? Perhaps indirectly, by re-cycling things, but those are supposed to be dead suns.

In System of Nature, d'Holbach shreds the notion that the soul is independent of the body. He lacks the finesse to say it is an exalted state of matter; it just forms the necessary conclusion that the soul or consciousness somehow *is* material, rather than the theological ideas of the time saying it was "above" or "other than" matter, an independent free agent. He didn't know what plasma was.

At this point, we are kind of tip-toeing through the tulips that it *might* be more significant than merely a measurable electrical effect, which I find exciting, because I believe it to be exactly that bridge between observable material and subjective experience.

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Thanks for the reminder of Trevor Constable's 'critters'....

Yes, anyone can take a look at the re-published Cosmic Pulse of Life, which adds some more pictures from a friend in Italy that are perhaps more interesting.

I mean Trevor's stuff looks almost silly to the point where you *would* want to dismiss it as dust or something, in the days when people photographed flying trash can lids. But the man put considerable time into roaming the desert trying to photograph something invisible. And he found something that, apparently, radar also did.

Last time I checked, we have radio telescopes scanning for signals from outer space, and no one watching the atmosphere in front of their own nose.

People find things optically, e. g. Phoenix Lights and so on, and there is a whole subject in visible plasmas such as St. Elmo's Fire. But nothing much more about a basically invisible "critter", because our curiosity has been pointed other ways:

The “critters” proved to consist of calcium
and fluids, the mineral and the fluids both being in the functional or plasmatic
state.

The mineral in this plasmatic state was quite able to reflect radar echoes, in
accordance with the known properties of plasmas.


Again, I, personally, don't know, but I think it is the right arena for observations, compared to "looking for extra-terrestrials in the wrong place".

The solar system and earth's own atmosphere are filled with plasma events, which, perhaps even result in some kind of organisms and/or their food source, and since our whole nervous system is electrical in nature, then it does look like a systemic loop or inter-connectedness if you will.

H. Kroll refers to such a "blue field around a black hole" at NASA's "Tether Incident" which involved a 5,400V plasma, and, perhaps, bio-forms. His idea is that they are normally etherialized so they don't get punctured by meteorites.

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)
.............NASA's "Tether Incident" which involved a 5,400V plasma, and, perhaps, bio-forms. His idea is that they are normally etherialized so they don't get punctured by meteorites.

thanks for posts and another great reminder..... of a famous bit of (plasma) footage - the other worldly and beguiling Tether Incident -

Got to show it now ....

actual Tether footage begins @ around 3:20

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dlIF0P9j0cM

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
... a famous bit of (plasma) footage - the other worldly and beguiling Tether Incident -

We were told it is dust and camera artifacts.

If you dig around a little bit, there is similar footage (STS-90 perhaps), which shows similar behavior over the tops of thunderstorms.

The storms themselves are mandatory. The earth has to experience about 1,000 lightning bursts per second, or, all of our energy will dissipate into free space--and all the beneficial work that owes largely to plasma will have to find another workshop.

So at a certain point, magnetics and atmosphere *do* have quite a bit of say about what goes on with a planet--whereas the Lagrange points are simply the consequence of the mass.

None of that directly concerns either the nature of light, or, the more conventional form of electricity that affects Kirlian photography.

We cannot see light. All it does is stimulate the retina, and we take this and create our own bio-luminescence that the brain sees!

Similarly with the other senses. All we do is create our own world. Maybe some of this is accurate to what is around us, and obviously it is incomplete whether you want to believe the "critters" pictures or not, it would be very unusual for someone to directly perceive infra-red, or radio waves, etc., so we are still in a humble position of only scratching the surface of what the sun may be doing, or what the human body is.

And so these are some good breadcrumbs around the beginning of this thread: observables!

There isn't a foregone conclusion or something to force proof onto--it is closer to how science should incrementally progress, rather than being shaped or confined as it has been since the 1600s, in ways that are sort of a different topic, but are easily demonstrable. Main problem being that life/consciousness/subjectivity was whisked away as a "random result", whereas Astrology or Natural Science has always posited that the Sun must be the chief driving influence of mind and matter, which are much more "together" than they are "opposite sides in conflict".

I require sun and soil to function at all.

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)
... a famous bit of (plasma) footage - the other worldly and beguiling Tether Incident -

We were told it is dust and camera artifacts.

Indeed..... and a funny old thing it turns out it IS/WAS dust - complex dusty plasma !!!

And so these are some good breadcrumbs around the beginning of this thread: observables!

Yes observables... for example the STS 75 'tether' footage I now remember ... used ultraviolet light to see all the plasma activity - at the beginning of the video (around 1 minute mark) it's all dark then they switch to ultraviolet - the man aboard, Jeff, is questioned about what he can see (presumably with the naked eye) but he doesn't report seeing the swarms that they can see at Mission Control...

in this Space Shuttle Info - page 44....ultraviolet light equipment is mentioned in the previous STS flight 74....

Additional cargo bay payloads: Shuttle Solar Backscatter Ultra violet (SSBUV) instrument flying for eighth time and designed to
measure ozone concentrations in atmosphere.

Cameras that go a little bit into infrared pick up the classic orbs - (not sure if they go a little bit into ultraviolet as well?) - but either end of the spectrum is just out of the normal range of visible light for us humans..... most of us, most of the time, but some people see more and maybe we could train ourselves to see more......?

[grapevine]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)
... a famous bit of (plasma) footage - the other worldly and beguiling Tether Incident -

We were told it is dust and camera artifacts.

Indeed..... and a funny old thing it turns out it IS/WAS dust - complex dusty plasma !!!

What springs immediately to mind is the Philip Pullman trilogy, "His Dark Materials", where Dust is "consciousness, knowledge and wisdom". It wouldn't be the first time where fiction and fact crosses paths.

[shaberon]

Here is a corollary that just popped up.

I saw it in a not-too-well-written article which implied this may be relevant to Dark Matter:


In a groundbreaking turn of events, the scientific community is buzzing with excitement over the potential discovery of a fifth fundamental force of nature...


It was talking about a recent Fermilab announcement, and the key is not that this is new--it isn't--but, a "fifth force".

Much like with the clouds, the Fermilab project is not quite new; it is simply a more precise confirmation of something that had been previously detected. "Repetition" is how science works; if I want to, I can try to repeat Constable's "invisible photography" and see what happens, compared to saying a hundred things about some weird video that who knows.

This run confirmed that muons deviate about 10% from how they are supposed to behave according to the laws of physics.

Muon-catalyzed fusion is the proper name for what we call "cold fusion", which, yes, there is big money being poured into this research currently. Fusion is how the sun works. Man can replicate it--if under control you have a reactor, if not, a bomb.

So this is related to plasma, and the muons are pouring through you right now. They have been detected in mines.

There is a much better write-up in Scientific American, which will help us understand it better. Just a few snips:


For decades, physicists have puzzled over tantalizing hints that muons are more sensitive to magnetic fields than theory says they should be: run muons in circles around a powerful magnet, and they “wobble,” decaying in a different direction than expected.

But the Standard Model leaves physicists unsatisfied; it doesn’t explain phenomena such as dark matter or mysteries such as the surprisingly low mass of the Higgs boson.

Physicists must calculate the remote possibility that the muon interacts not with one but up to five photons popping in and out of existence before continuing on its way.



That's it in a nutshell. The article talks a bit more about the predictions of previous models of lattice quantum chromodynamics (QCD), which have failed to be satisfactory, especially these latest results. A Russian one that ignored previous attempts seemed to be closer. The point is, a muon that lives for two microseconds may have about five interactions with particle/antiparticle pairs churned out of vacuum space.

In other words, just raw space affects matter. Muons are about 207 times as massive as electrons, so, they are both large, and, long-lived, since most similar particles decay in about a quadrillionth of a second.

That is pretty close to saying that space is the fifth state of matter, or, another force, meaning that physical reality is not fully defined by the four forces as we have been working with. Some scientists may go sniffing for more particles that have not been observed yet, however the quantum properties of vacuum are long since observed, even though they too came from a theoretical prediction. The Casimir Effect took about fifty years to be acceptably measured in terms of its predictions.


Even the Nebular Hypothesis took over two hundred years to really gain ground, and now we can get pictures of what are believed to be planets forming in the Orion Nebula:






Again, the unobserved "dark matter" may be little more than a placeholder for some unknown force or effect for something other than what it predicts itself to be.

What is observed is this type of formation which makes a 99% plasma universe, which causes radiation and things like muons, which indicate a "fifth force" of just space itself.

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
Cameras that go a little bit into infrared pick up the classic orbs - (not sure if they go a little bit into ultraviolet as well?) - but either end of the spectrum is just out of the normal range of visible light for us humans..... most of us, most of the time, but some people see more and maybe we could train ourselves to see more......?

No, cameras won't usually go both ways. I believe it was the sensors inside those CCTV cameras that took ultraviolet as a kind of accidental bonus beyond their intentions.

I cannot remember the title, but, one of the threads not too long ago had a few of us discussing x-ray vision. I have personally experienced a few kinds of clairvoyance. That was one of them. I do not know how else to describe it, other than your flesh turns into a translucent outline, and your skeleton is very distinct, basically just like x-ray pictures.

I have read that some can see the solar corona at will. I have not. But I would say there are a few bandwidths, or, spectra perhaps, of auric sight. What I experienced was very repeatable, always in common with itself, and certainly interesting. It would agree that "everything is alive", but things like driveway rocks and a grassy lawn are relatively pale and featureless compared to people. It is possible that means it is related to infra-red. That makes a bit of sense, because a person produces a heat field that tapers up like a flame, and on a small scale, this causes fast motion.

One of the simplest ways I know to gauge one's sensitivity is Lilac Chaser. Statistically, it suggests about thirty seconds for a person to get the effect. For me, the whole thing trips almost immediately:








Biologists say that it has to do with "recovery" of rods and cones or something; on a subjective basis, I would have to say that it has to do with being conditioned to watch concrete forms. But we already know that atoms and electrons are not "small, infinitely hard bb's", they are bound electrical forces, and even so, "things" are still mostly empty space.

If one was to see what is normally called invisible, you would have to look in the negative space, and not really at the supposed hard surfaces of things. Moreover, if space is a thing, and the brain makes its own show, reality is in the Phosphenes.

There is something extremely strange about light, and the sense of vision, which I can probably only talk about subjectively. It has no measuring apparatus, and medical science will ascribe it all to being defects or mistakes. Someone posted I might have some special disease that I can't remember the name of, but, when I looked it up, no, that was not the right explanation.

Subjectively, it has more to do with the brain composing its reality, moreso than registering the stimuli, and--after death, what use will those bodily senses have?

You won't have eyes to see with. Just vision--whatever that is.

[jaybee]

Posted by shaberon (here)
One of the simplest ways I know to gauge one's sensitivity is Lilac Chaser. Statistically, it suggests about thirty seconds for a person to get the effect. For me, the whole thing trips almost immediately:

[post snipped - see #13 above]

it appears straight away for me, as well... the whole thing is quite a treat for the eyes + brain isn't it........

and you bring up interesting points....

[jaybee]

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Quote from the book..... 'A New Science of Heaven' - Robert Temple....

End of Chapter 3 ~ page 36 ~

If what these scientists are showing - and I for one think they are - is that the internal structures of the two clouds could be so complex , and at such a vast scale, then they surpass any possible human knowledge at this time.The storage capacity for information would easily include the ability to retain full knowledge of everything that has ever happened in our local cosmic environment for four billion years.

Everyone that has ever lived will be recorded. Every creature that has ever roamed the surface of the Earth will be recorded. Every plant that has ever grown will be as well.

The presiding consciousness, or what psychologists call 'the executive ego states' of the two clouds will have personalities so alien from our own that we cannot conceive of them. Since the clouds evidently exist in a pair, they may be 'married'. (Or at least in a civil partnership?)

The questions are only just beginning.

Are the Kordylewski Clouds actually the famed Akashic Records .............. quietly sitting there on our doorstep - ??

[TravelerJim]

Jaybee thank you for this. It so happens that I only coincidentally ran across Robert Temple and his work a few days ago.....

He is a pleasure to listen to and his conversation in the last few weeks or so with Jay Weidner was very interesting and highly recommended. It seems Temple knew and hung out with a lot of big names in the space/psychic arenas of yesteryear.

This brings possibly new perspectives as to what the Human Cabal is really up to as they must have known about all this a long time ago. So that begs the questions as to how this plays into what we see going on in our world now. Lots of potential ramifications!

[RunningDeer]

Posted by TravelerJim (here)
Jaybee thank you for this. It so happens that I only coincidentally ran across Robert Temple and his work a few days ago.....

He is a pleasure to listen to and his conversation in the last few weeks or so with Jay Weidner was very interesting and highly recommended. It seems Temple knew and hung out with a lot of big names in the space/psychic arenas of yesteryear.

This brings possibly new perspectives as to what the Human Cabal is really up to as they must have known about all this a long time ago. So that begs the questions as to how this plays into what we see going on in our world now. Lots of potential ramifications!

Good place to add, jaybee's post from the Jay Weidner thread.

Posted by jaybee (here)
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This is an enjoyable, wide ranging + informative conversation between Jay Weidner and Robert Temple -

the interview centres on Robert Temple's new book...'A New Science of Heaven' and ripples out from there...

A read through the comments under the video on the YouTube site indicates the high quality of the presentation and it IS a real gem...

enjoy.....


The Bio-Plasma Universe

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q-oCW9DCQHs

Premiered on 7 Dec 2022
Author Robert Temple joins Jay Weidner for a far ranging discussion on the Plasma Universe and how this new science confirms many ancient spiritual beliefs. The show ends with Robert reminiscing about the two years he spent on the set of 2001: A Space Odyssey.

@12:15.....Robert ... "One of the things I like to stress is that science is finally catching up with Ancient Wisdom..."

@15;30.....Jay....Are there powers that be that don't want people looking into this?
Robert .... "Certainly - because if we understand all this then we can't be controlled by all the psychopaths that rule the world.."

@16:00...Robert... "The authoritarianism is growing daily - it doesn't matter if you're left wing or right wing - that's all beside the point - the fact is it's the control freaks versus the rest of us..."

@31:30... Jay... "The big wake up call is exactly this subject - because once you actually understand the spiritual landscape of plasma physics you realise that you are eternal - you're not going to die and therefore there's nothing to be afraid of ..."

@43:00... (regarding plasma physics)....Jay... I think it's at the basis of all the spiritual traditions - I think it's at the basis of alchemy, especially - I think it's at the basis of the previous civilization that was here before the cataclysm......."

[jaybee]

Posted by TravelerJim (here)
Jaybee thank you for this. It so happens that I only coincidentally ran across Robert Temple and his work a few days ago.....

He is a pleasure to listen to and his conversation in the last few weeks or so with Jay Weidner was very interesting and highly recommended. It seems Temple knew and hung out with a lot of big names in the space/psychic arenas of yesteryear.

This brings possibly new perspectives as to what the Human Cabal is really up to as they must have known about all this a long time ago. So that begs the questions as to how this plays into what we see going on in our world now. Lots of potential ramifications!

Yes I love Robert Temple - he's so intelligent, open minded and.............civilized - with a sense of humour that sprinkles an extra touch of magic on his work -

I first came across him in the 1970s with his most famous book The Sirius Mystery and I've read more of his books (but not all) over the years - in the 2nd edition reprint of the Sirius Mystery, in the preface, he relates the trouble he had with the CIA and other people/organizations because of the book - getting investigated, shunned by many in the science community and blackballed - so he's no stranger to (accidently) touching on the sensitive nerves of those who want to keep 'things' secret..... .... Robert Temple is a 'man of the people' type of academic, though, and his work is for the General Public - for OUR education - bless him a thousand times+ for that....

re your last paragraph about the cabal...


indeed - while main stream science (and everyone else) are only just getting into the enormity of plasma physics they must have been at it for many decades - the utterly shocking and irresponsible nuclear tests in the ionosphere of the 50s and 60s, on retrospect, must have been connected to early plasma research - - - just crazy to look at what they were doing and that they had no idea what would happen to the earth because of it - there was even a possibility it could have destroyed the planet as we know it - oh but this didn't stop them - perish the thought - they went on their merry way regardless of the consequences - and now while the public and their cars etc are blamed for climate instability - turns out the instability COULD partly be man made..... and THEY are the men who could have done it with the dangerous high altitude nuclear tests...

sorry nearly went off on a little rant there....


A Brief History of: The Starfish Prime Nuclear Test (Short documentary) (5:54)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sXC9-sBoLEU

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Posted by RunningDeer (here)
Good place to add, jaybee's post from the Jay Weidner thread.

Many thanks for that, RunningDeer -

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
.Are the Kordylewski Clouds actually the famed Akashic Records .............. quietly sitting there on our doorstep - ??

I would suggest something like the reverse of that.

First, Akashic Records is sort of a made-up phrase without any basis. "Akasa" simply means "Space", and the Theosophical phrase that inspired "akashic records" was "impressions on the astral light".

This has a physical corollary.

Certain things are said to retain impressions from all the light that comes to them: Snow, and, to a lesser extent, steel.

The astral light would be a little different, because it would mean the impressions given to it by consciousness.

As one example, because HPB could control sounds emitted by an elemental, one time she asked Olcott how many keys were on his keyring. He couldn't remember, but the elemental knocked the correct answer.

"Easy. I just read your subconscious impressions in the astral light".

Or, the main way she wrote books with thousands of quotes--being basically uneducated, and not having that kind of a library--again by reading astral light. Things look backwards. She re-wrote the text forwards, but then was accused of misattributions. She had left the page numbers backwards! So when reversed, they turned out to be accurate.

So, if thinking of plasma in terms of it being a kind of nursery, having to do with the production of stars and human consciousness, then I think it may be a slightly different medium that records phenomena, sort of a "capture" of light.


Following through, then, yes, Alchemy is a type of veiled language expressing something similar, all the way up to Isaac Newton, which is how we can tell he has been hijacked merely for the subject of gravity and Classical Mechanics.

If you read Newton on Antimony, it is not a blank Akash or Cosmic Virgin, but, a type of perfected Quintessence made by a spiritual process *through* the compound world made of multiple elements--i. e., closer to memory than to raw consciousness.

The fear of death, then, is one of the worst and most unnatural doctrines to have spewed out of the minds of oppressors, and if you weren't so afraid of death and hell, you wouldn't have much reason to join their camp.

The corresponding trouble with phrases like "akashic records" is because it makes a train wreck of the system of planes from original Theosophy, which are only copies or attempted translations of the Indian system. For example, the Puranas do not speak of an "emotional plane", but newer pseudo-Theosophical systems do. And then they go on to tell you how that is supposed to be paralyzed or killed. No Indian system tells you to kill off your emotions! That is so backwards, I think you could call it blasphemy.

So "fear of death" and "destroyed emotion" are both very dangerous principles.

Neither idea would get a moment's notice in India, but they are hardwired into almost everything known in the west.

We could say that Indian yoga is all about relief from *disturbing emotions*, and one thing that helps there is to ignore the ideas just mentioned.

It's not so much that the spiritual view is the lost property from before any cataclysm, but that western religion is a specific deviation, and then starting around the time of Newton, an additional kind of scientific deviation. All we are doing is removing those coats.

The discoverer, Dr. Crookes, called it "radiant matter" and mistakenly believed it was a stream of molecules instead of electrons.

He wound up going under the influence of mediums, but this is how he was discussed:


If Mr. Crookes would penetrate Arcana beyond the corridors the tools of modern science have already excavated, let him -- Try. He tried and found the Radiometer; tried again, and found Radiant matter; may try again and find the "Kama-rupa" of matter -- its fifth state. But to find it's Manas he would have to pledge himself stronger to secrecy than he seems inclined to.

Once separated from the common influences of Society, nothing draws us to any outsider save his evolving spirituality. He may be a Bacon or an Aristotle in knowledge, and still not even make his current felt a feather's weight by us, if his power is confined to the Manas. The supreme energy resides in the Buddhi; latent -- when wedded to Atman alone, active and irresistible when galvanized by the essence of "Manas" and when none of the dross of the latter commingles with that pure essence to weigh it down by its finite nature. Manas, pure and simple, is of a lower degree, and of the earth earthly: and so your greatest men count but as nonentities in the arena where greatness is measured by the standard of spiritual development.


Since his interest was lost, we pretty much spent the twentieth century going in Baconian directions, but, along with the recent confirmation about the LaGrange points, we can readily find several similar inquiries that are not fringe claims, but, coming from mainstream physics and medicine:


2023 experiments showing that intention affects cheap plasma lamps.

Nova 2014, consciousness as a state of matter

McGinn 2012, same, published by Oxford

Ma 2018, Plasma Brain Dynamics

Adamski 2020:

An important issue for science should also be the issue of bioplasma, which is particularly responsible for
human psychosomatic states.


That one is a good article to check out, just a few brief pages really, coming out with perhaps some new vocabulary such as Homo Electronicus.

He says "life is in quantum processes", which, from personal research, I found is true not just with respect to the brain, but even in the process of respiration. Does not matter if you are talking about a bacterium or your own bloodstream: in order for oxygen to penetrate a cellular membrane, it has to use the famous quantum tunneling.


Just to push the envelope, if you study the mechanics of wave propagation--such as solar radiation--you wind up using the "imaginary" number i, which is the square root of negative one, to make complex numbers. We have told ourselves for a long time that this is just a computational shortcut, where we could otherwise use gigantic and cumbersome piles of trigonometric functions. But just to clip the results from a couple of recent experiments, it strongly appears that in quantum mechanics, the complex number is essential. The normal way of using such a number for convenience:





The time-dependent Schrödinger equation


In both cases the outcomes of these operations were shown to be impossible to predict accurately by real-number quantum theory.

If you can conduct this experiment, then you will have refuted real-number quantum physics...

...the difference between real and complex players’ performance could get as high as 43 standard deviations.



Neither the sun, your brain, or any life form, ever did a single thing without something that is impossible by any ordinary explanation...it is just a trick that it looks that way macroscopically. Such things are tricky to measure with instruments, but, subjectively, using the living organism as the measuring apparatus, one probably can approach the plasma as a type of bridge between bare space and manifestation, or mind and matter if you want to put it that way.

[shaberon]

Posted by jaybee (here)
it appears straight away for me, as well... the whole thing is quite a treat for the eyes + brain isn't it........

Yes, it is a good example because so powerful.

It should then make sense that these two words are essentially the same:


Latin color, from Old Latin colos, from Proto-Indo-European *ḱel- (“to hide, conceal”)

Latin occultare ‘secrete’, frequentative of occulere ‘conceal’



Okay. We will get back to that in a moment. It is in this section from one of the Letters, which also involves insulting the European brain, and a description of sound. The principle referred to is similar to a pipe organ or even a flute, mixed with a considerable amount of magic. Also, the ancient Greeks thought that planets were pulled by "cords of air"--which perhaps is relevant to Music of the Spheres.

Sound is more subtle and complex, and lacks any convenient starting point such as Lilac Chaser.

When we get to vision, it will necessarily require weeding through some nineteenth-century terminology, then skip a century or so, and rejoin modern work, just as the case with plasma. The recipient of the letter came under the influence of mediums, like Dr. Crookes. Had that not been the case, we might not have lost track of what is rather valuably stashed in here:

"No Lama knows where the ber-chhen will hurt him until he puts it on," says a Tibetan proverb. However, let that pass, for I must tell you now that for opening "direct communication" the only possible means would be: (1) For each of us to meet in our own physical bodies. I being where I am, and you in your own quarters, there is a material impediment for me. (2) For both to meet in our astral form -- which would necessitate your "getting out" of yours, as well as my leaving my body. The spiritual impediment to this is on your part. (3) To make you hear my voice either within you or near you as "the old lady" does. This would be feasible in either of two ways: (a) My chiefs have but to give me permission to set up the conditions -- and this for the present they refuse; or (b) for you to hear my voice, i.e., my natural voice without any psycho-physiological tamasha being employed by me (again as we often do among ourselves). But then, to do this, not only have one's spiritual senses to be abnormally opened, but one must himself have mastered the great secret -- yet undiscovered by science -- of, so to say abolishing all the impediments of space; of neutralising for the time being the natural obstacle of intermediary
particles of air and forcing the waves to strike your ear in reflected sounds or echo. Of the latter you know as yet only enough to regard this as an unscientific absurdity. Your physicists, not having until recently mastered acoustics in this direction, any further than to acquire a perfect (?) knowledge of the vibration of sonorous bodies and of reverberations through tubes, may sneeringly ask: "Where are your indefinitely continued sonorous bodies, to conduct through space the vibrations of the voice?" We answer that our tubes, though invisible, are indestructible and far more perfect than those of modern physicists, by whom the velocity of the transmission of mechanical force through the air is represented as at the rate of 1,100 feet a second and no more -- if I mistake not. But then, may there not be people who have found more perfect and rapid means of transmission, from being somewhat better acquainted with the occult powers of air (akas) and having plus a more cultivated judgment of sounds? But of this we will argue later on.

There is still more serious inconvenience; an almost insurmountable obstacle -- for the present, and one, under which I myself am labouring, while even I do no more than correspond with you, a simple thing that any other mortal could do. It is my utter inability to make you understand my meaning in my explanation of even physical phenomena, let alone the spiritual rationale. This is not the first time I mention it. It is, as though a child should ask me to teach him the highest problems of Euclid before he had even begun studying the elementary rules of arithmetic. Only the progress one makes in the study of Arcane knowledge from its rudimental elements, brings him gradually to understand our meaning. Only thus, and not otherwise, does it, strengthening and refining those mysterious links of sympathy between intelligent men -- the temporarily isolated fragments of the universal Soul and the cosmic Soul itself -- bring them into full rapport. Once this established, then only will these awakened sympathies serve, indeed, to connect Man with -- what for the want of a European scientific word more competent to express the idea, I am again compelled to describe as that energetic chain which binds together the material and Immaterial Kosmos, -- Past, Present, and Future -- and quicken his perceptions so as to clearly grasp, not merely all things of matter, but of Spirit also. I feel even irritated at having to use these three clumsy words -- past, present and future! Miserable concepts of the objective phases of the Subjective Whole, they are about as ill adapted for the purpose as an axe for fine carving. Oh, my poor, disappointed friend, that you were already so far advanced on THE PATH, that this simple transmission of ideas should not be encumbered by the conditions of matter, the union of your mind with ours -- prevented by its induced incapabilities!

Such is unfortunately the inherited and self-acquired grossness of the Western mind; and so greatly have the very phrases expressive of modern thoughts been developed in the line of practical materialism, that it is now next to impossible either for them to comprehend or for us to express in their own languages anything of that delicate seemingly ideal machinery of the Occult Kosmos. To some little extent that faculty can be acquired by the Europeans through study and meditation but -- that's all. And here is the bar which has hitherto prevented a conviction of the theosophical truths from gaining wider currency among Western Nations; caused theosophical study to be cast aside as useless and fantastic by Western philosophers. How shall I teach you to read and write or even comprehend a language of which no alphabet palpable, or words audible to you have yet
been invented! How could the phenomena of our modern electrical science be explained to -- say, a Greek philosopher of the days of Ptolemy were he suddenly recalled to life -- with such an unbridged hiatus in discovery as would exist between his and our age?

Would not the very technical terms be to him an unintelligible jargon, an abracadabra of meaningless sounds, and the very instruments and apparatuses used, but "miraculous" monstrosities? And suppose, for one instant, I were to describe to you the hues of those colour rays that lie beyond the so-called "visible spectrum" -- rays invisible to all but a very few even among us; to explain, how we can fix in space any one of the so-called subjective or accidental colours -- the complement, (to speak mathematically) moreover, of any other given colour of a dichromatic body (which alone sounds like an absurdity), could you comprehend, do you think, their optical effect or even my meaning? And, since you see them not, such rays, nor can know them, nor have you any names for them as yet in Science, if I were to tell you: -- "My good friend Sinnett, if you please, without moving from your writing desk, try search for, and produce before your eyes the whole solar spectrum decomposed into fourteen prismatic colours (seven being complementary), as it is but with the help of that occult light that you can see me from a distance as I see you" . . . . what think you, would be your answer?

What would you have to reply? Would you not be likely enough to retort by telling me in your own quiet, polite way, that as there never were but seven (now three) primary colours, which, moreover, have never yet by any known physical process -- been seen decomposed further than the seven prismatic hues -- my invitation was as "unscientific" as it was "absurd"? Adding that my offer to search for an imaginary solar "complement" being no compliment to your knowledge of physical science -- I had better, perhaps, go and search for my mythical "dichromatic" and solar "pairs" in Thibet, for modern science has hitherto been unable to bring under any theory even so simple a phenomenon as the colours of all such dichromatic bodies. And yet -- truth knows -- these colours are objective enough!

So you see, the insurmountable difficulties in the way of attaining not only Absolute but even primary knowledge in Occult Science, for one situated as you are. How could you make your self understood -- command in fact, those semi-intelligent Forces, whose means of communicating with us are not through spoken words but through sounds and colours, in correlations between the vibrations of the two? For sound, light and colours are the main factors in forming these grades of Intelligences, these beings, of whose very existence you have no conception, nor are you allowed to believe in them -- Atheists and Christians, materialists and Spiritualists, all bringing forward their respective arguments against such a belief -- Science objecting stronger than either of these to such a "degrading superstition"!

Thus, because they cannot with one leap over the boundary walls attain to the pinnacles of Eternity; because we cannot take a savage from the centre of Africa and make him comprehend at once the Principia of Newton or the "Sociology" of Herbert Spencer; or make an unlettered child write a new Iliad in old Achaian Greek; or an ordinary painter depict scenes in Saturn or sketch the inhabitants of Arcturus -- because of all this our very existence is denied! Yes; for this reason are believers in us pronounced impostors and fools, and the very science which leads to the highest goal of the highest knowledge, to the real tasting of the Tree of Life and Wisdom -- is scouted as a wild flight of Imagination!

The easily or externally observed Dichromatic body as described in 1845 in relation to crystals showing two different colors when a prism is turned.




Dichroism may have its reason as wavelength or polarity:


The original meaning of dichroic, from the Greek dikhroos, two-coloured, refers to any optical device which can split a beam of light into two beams with differing wavelengths.

In some crystals, such as tourmaline, the strength of the dichroic effect varies strongly with the wavelength of the light, making them appear to have different colours when viewed with light having differing polarizations.

Since the left- and right-handed circular polarizations represent two spin angular momentum (SAM) states, in this case for a photon, this dichroism can also be thought of as spin angular momentum dichroism and could be modelled using quantum mechanics.


4th century Lycurgus cup, backlit and frontlit:











Accidental colour:


(optics) A colour depending on the hypersensibility of the retina of the eye for complementary colours. They are purely subjective sensations of colour which often result from the contemplation of actually coloured bodies.


Benham's top was a nineteenth-century toy, posted as a gif on a site that has numerous illusions. If you check that out, you will rapidly see colors that aren't there.

It is also effective with Moire' patterns. So there are plenty of devices that will induce you seeing subjective colors.


But any color must have a biological attribution. I can claim that the blue border on the sides of our posts "really is there", but it is only a frequency, and the being makes its own blue vision.

What turns out to be unusually demonstrable is that Newton's prismatic spectrum is only a special case.


Jordan 2013 is a dozen or so pages of lecture on how to make the experiments:


The experiments which show the two complementary images of the
spectrum, are the main entrance to not only Goethe's but also to any
other color studies.


Newton's prism appeared to be operating on a beam of light projected through a hole in a dark wall--but the prism is really projecting the wall as well. And so it carries or makes an inverted spectrum at the same time:





That is from Sallstrom 2016:


Goethes experiments set the agenda: we have in principle four types of spectra, pairwise complementary, and there are infinitely many intermediate cases between the ideal extremes, due to geometrical conditions, such as relative distance from prism to picture etc.


From lecture at Basel 2017:


Farbenlehre, in Goethe's sense, comprises by necessity much more than the physical side I have been elucidating in this lecture. Studies within perception psychology have intricate phenomena to contribute, as have the history of art and aesthetics, to be sure. Farbenlehre is essentially an interdisciplinary realm of research.


Boundary colours:




Ideal colours as followed by Schrodinger.

Those are all brief pages by the same author showing that physical light is already made of complimentary pairs. No need to copy that much from them, but they are worth exploring.

We were just previously told that we should be able to sit there and split fourteen colors out of the environment at will.

Lilac Chaser and similar illusions quickly prove that we can see such things, but, we do not really want to use them very much, if it is a natural ability that can be done unassisted.

Even Col. Olcott was trained in Visuddhimagga which operates on the subjective side of this very principle. It uses colored Kasina disks. One may notice the Golden Dawn lifted these and re-branded them for their own purpose. It is for subjective visualization, and, as part of an ancient meditation tradition, it is considered a bit rude to simply appropriate them.

They cause you to subjectively visualize the complementary color, which, instead of appearing like a normal object, is found to have its own luminosity, and seems alive.

This is a bit backwards for me, since I discovered the clairvoyance naturally, before learning the training technique. This puts me in a position to say that it is not done because it is clever and interesting, it is destiny if one approaches reality. It is only one aspect, since simple discipline can reveal the hidden light, but there isn't any question about what western science and psychology may be slowly coming to terms with.