Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

[norman]

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/43729

[Eric J (Viking)]

From an article titled: “Maui, A Hollywood Favorite Hawaiian Getaway, Faces Tragic Fire: A Report From The Heart Of Paradise”

“It is all kind of strange, as Wailea is untouched and still in vacation mode, while just across the ocean, you could see massive smoke clouds and orange skies. The mood went from idyllic to horrifying. To put it in movie terms, as someone said to me earlier today, “It is like Barbie suddenly turned into Oppenheimer.” West Maui still has no cell service, internet, or power in most areas of it. Last night, the Four Seasons lobby, usually pretty chill, was practically overrun by tourists and some locals fleeing the fire in search of rooms. The hotel is now completely full.“Maui Devastated by Wildfires. Hollywood Helps Out – Deadline

So what’s going on in Maui?

Further reading
https://diannemarshallreport.com/dew...pXoY1RdODN43rI

Viking

[Denise/Dizi]

I just want to add for the record, so people can make their own decisions on the matter with actual facts... (Rather than shocking statements not checked?) When I lived in Lahaina, I was not in a place to buy property. I was young, and rented... But I do remember hearing at that time... (The late 80's and early 90's)... That property on the islands was never "owned" by anyone and remained the property of the state... (If I remember properly) I believe they call this a "Leasehold"...

From what I was told back then, and things may have changed, you could essentially buy a home there, but the land was leased in some way, for extended periods of time. A family could occupy a piece of land for generations, but they do not "Own it"... They hold a lease to the land below the home. I remember this because I remember thinking, I would never buy a home or build a home, on land I didn't own!

So I would also question whether or not this is a "Land grab" by those with "deep pockets...", again, people are not researching the things they are claiming are the main reasons for why anyone would deliberately destroy an area... So I believe people should set the record straight.

If someone would check that and see if it is still the case, it may really add value to the statements that this was a land grab situation, and debunk it immediately.

Stepping back and trying to sort this out myself, because I know the place, has really shocked me, when watching videos others are producing... And I truly feel for those still living there... And hope they never see these videos... It would be like adding insult to injury for profit...

If others know about the islands, and would like to share what they know as well... I think it would help to get this conversation to a place where actual facts are being shared, and the situation can be evaluated from a perspective of avoiding something like this in the future, rather than finger pointing to "Bad Actors"...

I feel like we have become a population of people who all want someone to blame for everything... Sometimes tragic things happen, and it is the fault of just a series of overlooked issues, all coming together in a horrible tragic event. Perhaps if we stop finger pointing and begin to place that energy into prevention ideas, this wouldn't happen... I just do not want to see these individuals treated as if they were victimized again... And the alt media is surely doing this right now.. Using their tragic situation for their profit.

Sorry if I keep taking the thread off topic, but I feel it is important people do know some facts about the area... So they can form well founded opinions of what they are seeing...

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
I just want to add for the record, so people can make their own decisions on the matter with actual facts... (Rather than shocking statements not checked?) When I lived in Lahaina, I was not in a place to buy property. I was young, and rented... But I do remember hearing at that time... (The late 80's and early 90's)... That property on the islands was never "owned" by anyone and remained the property of the state... (If I remember properly) I believe they call this a "Leasehold"...

From what I was told back then, and things may have changed, you could essentially buy a home there, but the land was leased in some way, for extended periods of time. A family could occupy a piece of land for generations, but they do not "Own it"... They hold a lease to the land below the home. I remember this because I remember thinking, I would never buy a home or build a home, on land I didn't own!

So I would also question whether or not this is a "Land grab" by those with "deep pockets...", again, people are not researching the things they are claiming are the main reasons for why anyone would deliberately destroy an area... So I believe people should set the record straight.

If someone would check that and see if it is still the case, it may really add value to the statements that this was a land grab situation, and debunk it immediately.

Stepping back and trying to sort this out myself, because I know the place, has really shocked me, when watching videos others are producing... And I truly feel for those still living there... And hope they never see these videos... It would be like adding insult to injury for profit...

If others know about the islands, and would like to share what they know as well... I think it would help to get this conversation to a place where actual facts are being shared, and the situation can be evaluated from a perspective of avoiding something like this in the future, rather than finger pointing to "Bad Actors"...

I feel like we have become a population of people who all want someone to blame for everything... Sometimes tragic things happen, and it is the fault of just a series of overlooked issues, all coming together in a horrible tragic event. Perhaps if we stop finger pointing and begin to place that energy into prevention ideas, this wouldn't happen... I just do not want to see these individuals treated as if they were victimized again... And the alt media is surely doing this right now.. Using their tragic situation for their profit.

Sorry if I keep taking the thread off topic, but I feel it is important people do know some facts about the area... So they can form well founded opinions of what they are seeing...

If the land is prime beach front property the elite won't care about the Native law which is probably just like it is here in Oklahoma for the Cherokee and Osage and Choctaw tribes and more. On the reservation or in all of Osage county which is all Osage res you can buy a house and own it and anything on the land down to 18" deep. Many non Indian people of all races do this for less taxes in that county. For example my 30 acres with a 5.5 acre 30 foot deep stocked pond and my cabin and out building all ran me per year $67. $7 and some change was the 25 acres of woodland forest of blackjack oak trees. The other $60 was for the two buildings and my 5 acre separate deeded property. After that 18" depth anything found, mineral or otherwise well, it belongs to the tribe. The home owner controls access for any easements to get to that to profit off it tho so the land, even if it does belong to Hawaiians after 18" or less can't be entered unless the owner of the home gives an easement or permission in some formal way, usually for a contracted period of lease or agreement. This is done on land out here for oil wells all the time. The owner of the property gets some $ for allowing the oil pump guys access to the tribe's oil well. So in conclusion, I think the elite are more concerned with how much money the future condos and perhaps things we don't even suspect yet like casinos will earn them.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
I feel like we have become a population of people who all want someone to blame for everything... Sometimes tragic things happen, and it is the fault of just a series of overlooked issues, all coming together in a horrible tragic event.

I concur with your take, Denise. As soon as one of these terrible events occurs it really isn't very long before DEWs come up, or HAARP. I've said it for a long time. Jumping at once to the conclusion of a dastardly conspiracy really isn't very smart, or useful. Conspiracy theories obviously exist, and I well know it. They exist because they're strongly backed up by clues, by dot-connectors, and by witnesses -- by evidence.

It's possible a dastardly conspiracy is behind this, but short of good evidence I don't think it's wise to put money on it. There's no evidence I'm aware of that categorically demonstrates DEWs are being used to trigger wildfires in the first place, either as a weapon of terror or a tool of depopulation. They might be. They might be. But there's nothing concrete to say it's the case.

This is obviously a devastating event. Exactly what's responsible for causing it will take some time to sort out. My two cents (so stated as it's worth no more than that, being just an opinion) is the most likely culprit is a tragic convergence of: laxity, incompetence, bad land management, bad planning, and adverse weather conditions. And I think also a very good chance of arson.

You don't need a plasma beam fired from space for this. A numbnut with a box of matches will do it.

[Inversion]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)

So I would also question whether or not this is a "Land grab" by those with "deep pockets...", again, people are not researching the things they are claiming are the main reasons for why anyone would deliberately destroy an area... So I believe people should set the record straight.

There could be a mega-resort already planned for that area. This must be a new kind Eminent domain and an accepted technique to remove squatters. I would lean towards a space based microwave weapon system as the cause. It's akin to what may have been used to assist in the demolition of the Twin Towers. The Jason satellite was rumored to be directly above the epicenter of the 2004 tsunami which at least denotes foreknowledge. Not to get too off topic, but it must be a common theme for inhabited worlds to be subjugated from space by former occupants.

[Satori]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
I just want to add for the record, so people can make their own decisions on the matter with actual facts... (Rather than shocking statements not checked?) When I lived in Lahaina, I was not in a place to buy property. I was young, and rented... But I do remember hearing at that time... (The late 80's and early 90's)... That property on the islands was never "owned" by anyone and remained the property of the state... (If I remember properly) I believe they call this a "Leasehold"...

From what I was told back then, and things may have changed, you could essentially buy a home there, but the land was leased in some way, for extended periods of time. A family could occupy a piece of land for generations, but they do not "Own it"... They hold a lease to the land below the home. I remember this because I remember thinking, I would never buy a home or build a home, on land I didn't own!

So I would also question whether or not this is a "Land grab" by those with "deep pockets...", again, people are not researching the things they are claiming are the main reasons for why anyone would deliberately destroy an area... So I believe people should set the record straight.

If someone would check that and see if it is still the case, it may really add value to the statements that this was a land grab situation, and debunk it immediately.

Stepping back and trying to sort this out myself, because I know the place, has really shocked me, when watching videos others are producing... And I truly feel for those still living there... And hope they never see these videos... It would be like adding insult to injury for profit...

If others know about the islands, and would like to share what they know as well... I think it would help to get this conversation to a place where actual facts are being shared, and the situation can be evaluated from a perspective of avoiding something like this in the future, rather than finger pointing to "Bad Actors"...

I feel like we have become a population of people who all want someone to blame for everything... Sometimes tragic things happen, and it is the fault of just a series of overlooked issues, all coming together in a horrible tragic event. Perhaps if we stop finger pointing and begin to place that energy into prevention ideas, this wouldn't happen... I just do not want to see these individuals treated as if they were victimized again... And the alt media is surely doing this right now.. Using their tragic situation for their profit.

Sorry if I keep taking the thread off topic, but I feel it is important people do know some facts about the area... So they can form well founded opinions of what they are seeing...

I do not know whether this is a “Land Grab”, nor do I know the cause(s) of the fires. I’m moved to write by Denise/Dizi’s distinction between a leasehold and ownership. An important point. And then only to say that a leasehold confers rights on the lessee, as well as duties. Similarly, the lessor, who or that which is ostensibly the owner, so called, of the estate has duties and rights. These duties and rights are negotiable instruments, to one degree or other, in commerce and are monetized.

Ownership, so called, also is subject to powerful economic/commercial private and governmental forces. Examples are taxation and advertising.

No one, other than the ultimate sovereign, whoever and whatever “they” are, holds what is known as allodial title.

Thus, Land Grabs are not deterred by leaseholds, or other types of allotments, broadly speaking, bestowed by the sovereign

[Artemesia]

Wanted to put a not yet mentioned idea in the flow of this conversation.

So Hawaii in general but certainly Maui is tied in with Lemuria and the holocaust histories there. If we are looking at the larger build up of timeline trigger events and activation of deep and ancient trauma memories to those causal timelines, beyond the questions already discussed of:
DEW or simultaneous arson
Wealthy figureheads in the control pillars of society staking real estate claims
Death toll discrepancies
Weather reports on multiple platforms and from eyewitnesses not being consistent

And add in other understandings many thoughtful people on this forum familiar
with the vast amount of arenas necessary to understand to grasp where the cabal is trying
To force their winning hand play…

Question open for discussion is, how does the location of Maui on the planetary
Grid vis a vis the lemurian timelines and what we are seeing the cabal attempt to
Orchestrate regarding repeats of old holocaust timelines/ww 3 a d heck,
Let’s just throw in the ‘false flag alien invasion’ uap/ufo lead in via the discussion of
Possible DEW involvement and where that would be sourcing from.

I have some ideas forming as I stir this big icky soup pot of seemingly
Tangential data points, but I know some of you used to thinking in nonlinear
Formats might have some things come to mind when staring at this broth….

Anyone?

** my apologies for terrible syntax and grammer and punctuation…. Nonlinear thinking me is not compatible with grammer. Reading Ee cummings and kerouak must’ve trained this part of my mind. Hopefully its not totally obtuse. Thx for your understanding

[kfm27917]

Engines in cars are melting, all glass in cars gone, but the trees around the cars aren’t touched, why? Click on " video found" in text below.
Beyond natural wildfire or ground-level arson fires, there is a third and far more likely sore for the firestorm: Directed Energy Weapons (DEW).

The “Wine Country” Fires

In 2017, I investigated the raging firestorm that burned hundreds of structures in Santa Rosa, California, in early October. The week that proceeded, the air temperatures in Santa Rosa and over the mountains in Napa Valley were normal for that time of year–low to mid-80s, but rather dry.

After weeks of research, and interviewing local residents, I published “Sunspots and Cell Towers Fueled the Northern California Firestorm,” two days before Thanksgiving. The then proto-Substack, called Medium.com, ended up canceling my post and writings in early 2018. Why? I stepped on the third rails of HAARP and 5G, and that the false claims of arson fires were a coverup to the truth.

On YouTube, an enterprising digital soldier, “JeffSnyder2,” posted a 13-min video, rehashing and going over details of my investigative article in a video found here that’s still up after four years. Who knows for how long?


[Credit: James Grundvig marked up the aerial photo.]

What I saw in 2017 and what I see today in Maui are one and the same events. Only microwave technology as in DEW–whether military lasers or HAARP–can explain how the structures not only burned down, but melted kitchen appliances, bathtubs, metal alloy wheel rims, and far more.


[Credit: James Grundvig, August 2017, in a valley one hour outside Denver, Colorado.]

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Just by chance or fate, I visited a medicinal plant in Fairplay, Colorado. On the return trip to the hotel I was staying at in Denver, I drove through a valley with three or four houses burned in a natural wildfire, along with the trees and foliage I captured in the above photo.

Compare the natural wildfire burnt trees to the images of the unharmed trees in both Santa Rosa 2017 and Lahaina 2023. That is a major tell. And I captured it in my six-year-old article.

Trees, Housing Materials, Microwave Effect

[Emphasis ours.]

“The wildfires weren’t wild at all. The houses cooked from the inside out. They often burned from the top of the roofs, incinerating the walls, floors, and appliances, and cladding down to the foundation. Yet, 90 percent of the trees on the properties remained standing with leaves on the branches—not burnt, merely dried out. It was as if a neutron bomb had detonated burning everything manmade, but leaving the greenery alone.”

And this paragraph on microwave impact.

“If you put tinfoil in a microwave oven it will spark with flames shooting about, giving off an orange halo glow. It’s not the metal that catches fire, but the aluminum oxide coating. When superheated by microwave energy the coating releases oxygen on the surface engorging the material to burn even hotter. This phenomenon is known as “field-activated combustion synthesis.” Like a Duraflame log, the self-sustaining oxygen fuels the flames as had been seen with the ceramics roof tiles and the metals used to build—materials that do not burn in a normal forest fire.”

[PDF of my 2017 article found at the bottom.]

Maui Burns from DEW Fires

Understanding the truth nature of the firestorm will be key to exposing the enemy. We know from Directed Energy Weapons experts, such as Eric Hecker (video at the end) and James Martinez, the MK-Ultra survivor–a recent guest on “Unrestricted Truths” (Episode 390), “DEW Weapons Target Humans–not only are chemtrails spraying confirmed as fact, but also DEW weapons, such as HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) that were suspected of causing the earthquake in Turkey at the start of this year confirmed as well.

Videos from the Lahaina, Maui, firestorm.

The fires up close. Post destruction, at least 36 people died in Maui.

It is well past time for the digital soldiers, patriots, truthers, conservatives, the free people to educate themselves and share the truths and specs on how various DEW weapons work, from handheld brainwave altering devices to the massive billion-volt antenna arrays of HAARP found in Alaska and now, thanks to the whistleblowers Eric Hecker and James Martinez, Antarctica.
Remember, the “truth will set you free.” Big Everything won’t be sharing or disseminating the truth. We are in a spiritual war.

[Satori]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)
I just want to add for the record, so people can make their own decisions on the matter with actual facts... (Rather than shocking statements not checked?) When I lived in Lahaina, I was not in a place to buy property. I was young, and rented... But I do remember hearing at that time... (The late 80's and early 90's)... That property on the islands was never "owned" by anyone and remained the property of the state... (If I remember properly) I believe they call this a "Leasehold"...

From what I was told back then, and things may have changed, you could essentially buy a home there, but the land was leased in some way, for extended periods of time. A family could occupy a piece of land for generations, but they do not "Own it"... They hold a lease to the land below the home. I remember this because I remember thinking, I would never buy a home or build a home, on land I didn't own!

So I would also question whether or not this is a "Land grab" by those with "deep pockets...", again, people are not researching the things they are claiming are the main reasons for why anyone would deliberately destroy an area... So I believe people should set the record straight.

If someone would check that and see if it is still the case, it may really add value to the statements that this was a land grab situation, and debunk it immediately.

Stepping back and trying to sort this out myself, because I know the place, has really shocked me, when watching videos others are producing... And I truly feel for those still living there... And hope they never see these videos... It would be like adding insult to injury for profit...

If others know about the islands, and would like to share what they know as well... I think it would help to get this conversation to a place where actual facts are being shared, and the situation can be evaluated from a perspective of avoiding something like this in the future, rather than finger pointing to "Bad Actors"...

I feel like we have become a population of people who all want someone to blame for everything... Sometimes tragic things happen, and it is the fault of just a series of overlooked issues, all coming together in a horrible tragic event. Perhaps if we stop finger pointing and begin to place that energy into prevention ideas, this wouldn't happen... I just do not want to see these individuals treated as if they were victimized again... And the alt media is surely doing this right now.. Using their tragic situation for their profit.

Sorry if I keep taking the thread off topic, but I feel it is important people do know some facts about the area... So they can form well founded opinions of what they are seeing...

I do not know whether this is a “Land Grab”, nor do I know the cause(s) of the fires. I’m moved to write by Denise/Dizi’s distinction between a leasehold and ownership. An important point. And then only to say that a leasehold confers rights on the lessee, as well as duties. Similarly, the lessor, who or that which is ostensibly the owner, so called, of the estate has duties and rights. These duties and rights are negotiable instruments, to one degree or other, in commerce and are monetized.

Ownership, so called, also is subject to powerful economic/commercial private and governmental forces. Examples are taxation and advertising.

No one, other than the ultimate sovereign, whoever and whatever “they” are, holds what is known as allodial title.

Thus, Land Grabs are not deterred by leaseholds, or other types of allotments, broadly speaking, bestowed by the sovereign

Just read that Bezos is “donating” 100 million US dollars to the cause in Maui.

[Arcturian108]

My sixth sense has kicked in regarding the burning of Lahaina, and have concluded that DEWs were used. Everything there was too precisely targeted, or not targeted. The exclusion of the historic 1800s Catholic Church, and the old famous banyan tree from being burned reminds me of how during World War II, American bombers were instructed to never bomb Kyoto, the ancient capital of Japan, with its many precious temples, and thus its citizenry never really experienced the firebombing that affected the rest of Japan.

And by the way, I was a resident of Lahaina for the summer of 1976, when I was a tour guide for Japanese visiting Maui, and showing them the sights around the island.

[Denise/Dizi]

I just want to thank those that are adding knowledge to the conversation now, about things such as the land use issues... Who technically owns what, etc...

I suppose it just really got under my skin when the one lady began making statements in her video that were completely off the mark... And the reason for that frustration, is that if indeed there were DEWS being used, that is the type of person whose material would be used to make the idea laughable. As the entire issue is a serious one... Especially for them right now... So a more balanced conversation really seemed more appropriate to me...

I do not know what caused the fires, and as I stated above, I live smack dab in fire country in Nevada County, California... The topic matters to me... Both there and here... So speculation and statements without even the knowledge to identify where the fires actually are, to me was just ridiculous...

As far as whether or not large hotels are already planed for the area? I doubt it, as Lahaina was really the only town on that side of the island that gave tourists anything to see or do. Outside of hotel nightlife, swimming polls, or water excursions... There was also Maui Air, and a few drives people could take, or charter to smaller islands, to whale watch and such... But it would make no sense to me to remove the only area where people could enjoy a town environment, and Kahaluia was more for the locals. Lahaina supplied the workforce for the service industry... As well as Kihei and other small towns on the island. The entire beach line above Lahaina is nothing but resorts, as well as below Kihei. No infrastructure, no economy for tourists...

These folks need homes and fast or there will not be any bookings in those fancy hotels, as there will be no one to clean, serve them, cook for them, etc.. Their investments initially would tank HARD if this was the plan... Many in the area lived multi generationally in their homes... Some commuted from Kona, back and forth to survive, and work the industry... As far as I last heard, and they may have been wrong, C&H no longer harvest sugarcane there... And their fields are now expensive homes... Ones the locals probably couldn't afford on service industry wages. My roommate there made his living solely on replacing the brake shoes on those trucks when they were in service...

I just want to add reasons for why something doesn't sound like a sound reason to torch the place.. As I said, I do not know what caused the fires, but I do appreciate people putting more thought into it besides just Shock headlines... Thank You for being so respectful... And I do apologize if my posts offended anyone.. I suppose I am still in shock it even happened...

[norman]

This might interest the DEW discussion participants. Apparently there is actually a place on the island called the Directed Energy Directorate.




WERE DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS USED IN MAUI? LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN PROVE...
The Last American Vagabond - 1 hour 10 minutes - Posted Aug 12, 2023


Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/pjn8lYwmBY75/

[thepainterdoug]

Im seeing videos, reading statements and I don't really know anything . I am locked in sadness and mourning for the horrific deaths of so many people maybe a thousand or so and most of them possibly children. Can anyone imagine the fear and horror of so many caught in this inferno facing their end.
There needs to be time of mourning this . It seems so many reports are about the land, the property, who will get what and the lands future as if no one was ever there.
If there was ever a case for remaining spirits, hauntings and a future curse , this is it.

[Arcturian108]

The following post which I found on Twitter appears to explain what the motive might be for burning the small town of Lahaina. It appears that it fits into the larger WEF agenda of creating the first U.S. totally green state:
https://twitter.com/catsscareme2021/...99296204898304

[Seeclearly]

What a coincidence...again.

Link to post in Predictive Programming

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1571816

[thepainterdoug]

Arcturian,

And if so ?, and if true the WEF ? and by their own words I wouldnt doubt it in the least, just ponder the monsters these people are ?
Humans are a horriable creature in what they are capable of.

Sure, sitting around a table of elites ,clinking glasses, making their plans for themselves and their children , they will have it all , and their evil cruelity, they will live with just fine.

As long as its not them, thier kids, their interests etc they march forward in lock step. In my mind they are far worse than any of histories evil, simply cause it is not necessary, it is a fabricated reset by those who have the power for the interests of those who will hold the power.

If I could say reveloution!! I would! but the individual already has been and will be brushed aside.

[Ratszinger]

Posted by Seeclearly (here)
What a coincidence...again.

Link to post in Predictive Programming

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1571816

I thought I'd post the pic.

[Seeclearly]

I can't voucher for the authenticity of this video but thought I would share.
I have seen more than enough evidence to say D.E.W. where used though,and not for the first time by long way 🤬
6 secs.

[Ratszinger]

On Aug. 10th of 2023 Mountain Dew released for sale 12 packs of a new beverage. Two days later there were reports of, "Directed Energy Weapons" causing fires in select spots coming from the sky and before anyone could act they were surrounded by fire. Maui literally burst into flames. Those of the religion knew. They knew just how much time they had, until the 12th, hence the 12 pack. They knew the target, Maui, and they knew flames would be involved or explosions or bursts from "DEW" a "Directed Energy Weapon" How you ask?

Like this: They even abbreviated Mountain to MTN (Maui target notice) So the full message reads, 12 Aug 2023 "Maui Target Notice, Directed Energy Weapon, Maui burst". They intend to make it their new 'Carbon Free City' as an example to the world to combat global warming.