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    There appear to be many things at play here - the significant date, the plan to make Hawaii the first completely green state run by AI (the Smart Agenda 2030), the clearing of the land conveniently bypassing all troublesome land contracts and disputes with locals, the buying it back for pennies on the dollar, the murder and the sacrifice, etc. It sounds like we're also going to find that this was a massive child sacrifice since the schools were closed and all the children remained home, the homes that were dustified. I understand we'll lose a lot of people when bringing up this topic but I figured here... It needs to be said. The picture of Oprah on her hill overlooking the destruction (sacrifice) is very unsettling to me. It reminds me of old feudalism, the pictures of castles on the hill with dungeons, maybe too many movies, I don't know, but wtf?
    I find it odd that the governor of Hawaii name is Josh Green. His birthday is 02/11 which is a three-digit prime, the police code for robbery and he's a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. There's an alleged Nazi location in Antarctica called Base 211. There's a video in this link where he said he's already thinking of ways to acquire that land. The next day he walks back his statement in the below video.

    9 questions that we should all be asking about the catastrophic fires in Hawaii

    Quote Green lending refers to a lending dependent on environmental criteria for the planned use of funds. It is part of the wider sustainable investing and aims to reduce the impact on the environment of new lending activities.

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    Hawaii Governor Josh Green vowed to place legal barriers to prevent developers from buying land from wildfire-ravaged Maui.
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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    Fuel. Fuel burned those cars to such a degree, which includes melting the aluminum.

    A car fire burns at north of 1,500 degrees F/850 degrees C. The melting point of aluminum is 1,221F/660.3C.

    Boats are even more flammable than cars, because they're generally either lightweight or hollow and made of wood. It's important to also bear in mind that in many areas, the ocean was coated in a thick layer of ash, which only refracts the heat back upwards and creates a baking effect.

    I'm not trying to be harsh or bark authoritatively here, I'm just stating facts.

    Let's look at each photo on this page.

    In the photo where half of the row of cars melted and the others are relatively intact, that could be a simple matter of the wind direction. More on that later.

    In the photo where the cars near the ocean are burned to husks, the proximity of the ocean didn't save them because of the ash on the water and the residual heat from the dense web of buildings in the immediate area.

    The mansions that were spared in photos earlier in this thread had PLENTY of space between them, behind them was just grass and a mountain, with a road devoid of cars since they're not in high traffic areas. Any embers that would have made their way over, for the most part, would have been likely cooled by the moisture in the ocean air. There weren't any nearby buildings or packed neighborhoods to really bake the place like it did downtown Lahaina or in the poorer housing areas.

    In all photos the trees are desiccated. Burned trees rarely become ash. They become charcoal. Charcoal retains its shape, and the roots are what hold the bulk of the tree up. There isn't any crazy mystery as to how the trees held up, it's just basic thermodynamics. If they still had leaves and bird nests with babies in them, I'd in full agreement that something really strange is happening, and that DEW could be the cause.

    But that's just not what we're seeing.

    Fires are a very strange phenomenon; ask any firefighter, especially the ones that work in wildfires, and they'll tell you it's almost intelligent, alive. It moves around. It doesn't burn predictably. This is part of what makes a fire so hard to contain.

    Let me share a little story, that helps corroborate my point earlier about wind direction.

    Exactly one week ago from the time I wrote this, a fire broke out half a mile from where I live and am typing this post from now. I saw it start, I saw it spread, I saw it expand so fast it would take your breath away. I saw the way the pillar of smoke lit trees downwind of it and across the highway on fire, and how one tree burned another like dominoes. I watched an entire building burn to the ground in 15 minutes.

    That same fire, by sheer dumb luck, missed my apartment because I lived upwind of it. The poor people that lived in the complex South of mine lost everything. The neighborhood right behind theirs, and I quite literally mean a stone's throw away, was completely spared. A swathe of acreage that was several blocks wide. Not a single bush on fire. If you saw aerial footage of this, you would be floored. You would ask yourself how such a thing was possible. Some of these people shared a wall that divided the neighborhood from the apartment complex.

    What the fire did burn, however, was part of a strip mall a quarter mile past it and across an 8-lane highway.

    Everyone who either lost their home or didn't was purely at the mercy of the wind. That and where some trees and bushes happened to be.

    Nature is a terrifying force. Poor urban planning and dense population has been a disaster waiting to happen for a lot of the US. If Phoenix or Houston were to catch fire, it could be disastrous, fast. It's just a matter of the right conditions being met.

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    First off, thanks Tam for your solid input, unlike our current media landscape these days we should always welcome both points of view, and as JackMcThorn aptly stated, "PA should always be striving to be the example and sound thinking and common sense should be prevailing features." My opinion on this matter is slightly skewed after seeing the many other fires like 911 and Paradise where the impossible happened:



    so you'll have to excuse me for my cynicism here. And after hearing the many eye-witnesses saying it was a directed energy attack I find myself siding with them. "I'm not a scientist," (queue the laugh track) so I can't comment on all the scientific data, but I will say that after all the small businesses that were wiped out during covid, and the countless deaths both then and now on Maui, it appears to me that this is just them playing fast and loose and "laser-focused," and more and more I find myself siding with this sound advice:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/kYEED6sE5SYo

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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    Its not a matter of what I believe? its a matter of asking good questions and questioning my own pre set biases and beliefs.

    AS i said and I WILL REPEAT

    I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED

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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
    First off, thanks Tam for your solid input, unlike our current media landscape these days we should always welcome both points of view, and as JackMcThorn aptly stated, "PA should always be striving to be the example and sound thinking and common sense should be prevailing features." My opinion on this matter is slightly skewed after seeing the many other fires like 911 and Paradise where the impossible happened:



    so you'll have to excuse me for my cynicism here. And after hearing the many eye-witnesses saying it was a directed energy attack I find myself siding with them. "I'm not a scientist," (queue the laugh track) so I can't comment on all the scientific data, but I will say that after all the small businesses that were wiped out during covid, and the countless deaths both then and now on Maui, it appears to me that this is just them playing fast and loose and "laser-focused," and more and more I find myself siding with this sound advice:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/kYEED6sE5SYo
    alot of green charcoal trees on that picture, beautiful

    that picture alone tells the bull**** story, all the houses are pure DUST that means any bigger metal/aluminium parts just vaporized/melted there and these houses are circled by "GREEN" trees, i have firefighters in my family and i dont even need to be one of them to understand that the official story is not possible

    i dont care if it was a DEW or green humanoids did a prayer at noon, these pictures are not able to be explained by the official storyline.

    as i said before the official storyline of the maui fire is as much close to physics as the jetfuel tale of 911
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    Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
    First off, thanks Tam for your solid input, unlike our current media landscape these days we should always welcome both points of view, and as JackMcThorn aptly stated, "PA should always be striving to be the example and sound thinking and common sense should be prevailing features." My opinion on this matter is slightly skewed after seeing the many other fires like 911 and Paradise where the impossible happened:



    so you'll have to excuse me for my cynicism here. And after hearing the many eye-witnesses saying it was a directed energy attack I find myself siding with them. "I'm not a scientist," (queue the laugh track) so I can't comment on all the scientific data, but I will say that after all the small businesses that were wiped out during covid, and the countless deaths both then and now on Maui, it appears to me that this is just them playing fast and loose and "laser-focused," and more and more I find myself siding with this sound advice:


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/kYEED6sE5SYo
    Bump. Out-f’ing-standing, as we used to say in the Army.

    I’m referring in particular to the second video.

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    The following video in the tweet is the smoking gun for me regarding the Lahaina firestorm being a preplanned event. This elderly resident of Lahaina walked out of town and survived, and asked a policeman at a barrier at the end of Front Street why the cars were not being allowed to turn north onto the highway out of town, and his answer was something like 'I don't know, but that's my orders'.
    https://twitter.com/AndreIconik/stat...28549088264193
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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    I don't think that people are thinking that a DEW weapon burned the entire town.

    It is more acceptable that the DEW started it off by starting fires in strategic positions.

    Another factor in fires today are the materials that are falling from the Chem trail and weather modification. Our homes and all of the trees and fields are covered in it.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
    I thoroughly second that notion. I don't know (Mr. Hand, sorry, couldn't resist.) The more you learn, the less you "know", the more questions you have right? And I agree Patient, I don't think a DEW burned the entire town either, but kinda leaning towards some sort of involvement, strictly for the cars-melting-at-the-waterline-without-a-fuel-source alone. That's a big one for me. How do cars melt in such a large street next to water without a fuel source? Please don't tell me it was the wind.

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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    I'm glad to see this kind of debate/back and forth. It's so refreshing.

    That picture with the flattened neighborhood and the surrounding trees is interesting. I'm still not 100% sold either way but it's the first of the photos that's made me have pause. Just to be sure, this picture is from Maui, right? The trees look almost coniferous.

    In any case, the official story just doesn't add up. The response from the cops reminds me of the Uvalde, Texas shooting.

    It might also be wise to scan current events to see what this massive fire could be a distraction from.

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    Quote Posted by Tam (here)
    That picture with the flattened neighborhood and the surrounding trees is interesting. I'm still not 100% sold either way but it's the first of the photos that's made me have pause. Just to be sure, this picture is from Maui, right? The trees look almost coniferous.
    If you're referring to the one I posted, no, it's from Paradise. Just trying to get the point across that this tech is well in use at this point.

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    Ah, I see. Yes, the Paradise fires were a DEW in my opinion, or at least, were started in some areas by one. Thanks for clarifying.

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    Quote Posted by Tam (here)
    It might also be wise to scan current events to see what this massive fire could be a distraction from.
    Excellent point, most definitely diverting attention from something, and something major. Echoes David Icke and the 4th dimensional vantage point. So much at play here it's mind-boggling, and yet it's all so interconnected, definitely a reason they want us dumbed down, just think of the planning and the resources they've poured into poisoning mankind, and erasing our history, and misleading us into believing we're powerless, that it's all hopeless and we need anti-depressants and their toxic remedies, it's truly mind-boggling, yet to end on a positive note, we're on to them, and that's put them in motion, and now we can see them...
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    Quote Posted by arwen (here)
    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
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    Ravenlocke - yes, me too, and although I was not there, it reminds me of Savannah, Avalon member, who lost everything in the Paradise fire, including her cat, and passed away not that long after - I think a year or so later.
    That was former admin Sierra, not Savannah, but that's correct, she was a victim of that fire, lost everything in it, and did indeed pass away. That was a couple of years ago (and was announced here).
    Thank you for the correction! Sorry I did not get her Avalon name right - yes, Sierra. What happened to her was something that haunted many of us for a long time.
    Thanks Arwen for letting me know this, I’m so sorry I didn’t know about Sierra and her cat. Many folks who worked in Chico lost their pets because they left them behind to go to work, in the homes which burned down. The pet store in the middle of town burned with all the birds and animals in it and I used to get my cat food there. And the homes that burned down were the older homes, some were quite old buildings too.
    The fire came up Pentz first and our street was off Pentz road, the hospital where my husband used to go for his eye appointments was off Pentz it burned too. From Pentz it spread to Skyway the only road to Chico. From the bottom of Skyway all you could see was one massive black cloud at the top of the hill. The spirit church where we would go to listen to special IONS guests give a talk was burned down. We got to see Ralph Ring there. It’s all gone.
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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
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    Its not a matter of what I believe? its a matter of asking good questions and questioning my own pre set biases and beliefs.

    AS i said and I WILL REPEAT

    I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
    I don’t know too, so this is just my opinion.

    The main debate here, seems to be “DEW or not DEW”. Odd that no one has mentioned Yoda’s accompanying utterance, “There is no try”. None of the believers in such DEW as is envisaged here even try to back up their claim. No reference to existing known tech, no consideration of the physics of such an undertaking. And dissenting voices, such as me, have done little to describe the ferocity of wind driven big fires, or the wondrous fickleness of free air in general.

    Regarding the fickleness, I once witnessed a tube of air blast through a smoky daylight campfire I was tending. Mostly horizontal, centred about 6’ up at the fire (my eye level). Abt 2-3 feet across, it went in a slight corkscrew for ~20 ft beyond the fire, trailing tube shaped smoke. Took a fraction of a second, and then was gone (no more ‘gusts’). The local air was fairly calm, fire smoke was mostly going upward.

    Someone upthread tabled the idea that air (/wind?) is ~alive. I tend to agree. I think it is kind of like a hand, part of a larger living physical system, powered by the Sun. The book The Little Prince was fun to remember, after that cool sighting.

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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    Just saying…🤷‍♂️

    How in the world did the Maui firestorms miss this mysteriously unscathed house and property?!



    Yep

    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=181068

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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    To me, it looks like the satanists are claiming all the island paradise locations for themselves, to get away from the effects of what they have in mind for the continental locations the remaining humans will be. The oceans are their territory. Maxwell's TerraMar project fits into this somehow. Jessie Czebotar has some very interesting things to say about it in this conversation with Sarah Westall in late 2021.


    Quote Tenerife wildfires lead to evacuation of villages

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66525861

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    None of the believers in such DEW as is envisaged here even try to back up their claim. No reference to existing known tech, no consideration of the physics of such an undertaking.
    You may have missed this post I made earlier in this thread. In it, is a quite extensive presentation of the known and documented history of DEW.

    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    This might interest the DEW discussion participants. Apparently there is actually a place on the island called the Directed Energy Directorate.




    WERE DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS USED IN MAUI? LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN PROVE...
    The Last American Vagabond - 1 hour 10 minutes - Posted Aug 12, 2023


    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/pjn8lYwmBY75/

    An aside, but deadly related:


    This is the current Chairperson of the Satanic Council



    This is the current Chairperson's right hand (wo)Man [or you could say P.A.]
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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    Too many unanswered questions… ?? Again I don’t know either, but the official narrative stinks to high heaven…

    THIS VIDEO DOCUMENTARY PROVES LAHAINA WAS THE TARGET OF A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED BROAD SPECTRUM ATTACK



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    Default Re: Hawaii, Maui: Lahaina has been wiped off the map

    An open question for anyone and everyone.

    What kind of (sovereign) location on this planet would be easiest to muscle into and take over ( change laws and international status etc ) as a criminal cult on the run from global justice ?


    My own thought is that a small island after a devastating disaster would be the easiest and fastest path to that objective.






    Juan O'Savin . . . The military observation satelites will have seen exactly what happend on Maui and they will have known within moments what it was.

    https://rumble.com/v38ed10-juan-o-sa...8-16-2023.html

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