God is the answer, even if there is no God

[thepainterdoug]

I have been thinking on the idea that if we had no fear of death, and could then back ourselves up from that point of view and live from there, life would be less scary and much more freeing

That death along with the process of death being our ultimate fear, this fear could be lessened, or even eliminated. The NDE people testify to this.

Along with this, the concept of God? ,

Is there a God or not ? And does it make a difference?
If there is a God,then good, it is watching over us, we have a life plan,and we will be welcomed home when the time comes by our creator.

If there is no God, then we will die, and there is "nothingness", a concept I cannot comprehend because we need a consciousness to witness a nothingness

With all this being said, I wonder what's to worry about?

yet Im pissed and worried.

[norman]

I've been thinking about this very thing, on and off, for a year or two.

Our orientation, energetically and 'spiritually', is what makes all the difference. The argument between, Did god create man or did man create god ? makes no difference, as long as it's genuine faith, not concoctions of the mind madness.

Whether god is a real thing/entity, or the root of true faith without being so, the result is exactly the same thing. And, it's a good result.

Taking a look at the opposing polarity systems of orientation even drives that home better still.

If you're pissed or worried, is it really about after death or is it about how you reach that state. I'm not the slightest bit worried about being dead from this world, but I do get anxious when I think of the possible ways of reaching the end of this life.

[mojo]

With all this being said, I wonder what's to worry about?

One of the concerns on my mind which led to some worry was will Trump be able to turn things around as it relates to current events & World politics. I was hopeful that the plan by Q would actually be able to happen. Yet there has been no other time in history that we can observe how evil the World has become. The deep state has infiltrated so many aspects of government, other agencies like the CDC have lost their way. Soros & Klaus want to destroy America, there are famines, pestilence, earthquakes, wars & rumors of wars. A digital currency is on the horizon, the WHO centralizing health issues, the bioweapon, transhumanism and AI. It's all ripe for someone to come onto the stage to save us from ourselves. Possibly heralding in the huge Biblical events like "Mark of the Beast" without taking it you cant buy or sell.

I was forever hopeful of this plan until recently. What if we cant stop it? Thats the moment I decided to put my trust completely in God.

[Bruce G Charlton]

On the one hand, death is universal and thus, apparently, natural; on the other hand, death is also experienced as profoundly un-natural, accidental, a violation.

My understanding of death is that it is experienced as both natural and unnatural because of our situation in mortal incarnation - which I regard as situated between a potentially deathless pre-mortal spirit existence; and (if we choose it) the post-mortal incarnated state of resurrection.



This mortal life of ours is therefore temporary, a phase not an end-state - but our basic expectations deriving from pre-mortal spirit life are that we 'ought to be' eternal and deathless. Furthermore, since the life and work of Jesus Christ, Christians have hope of an eternal and deathless state to follow this mortal life.

Yet, the actuality of this mortal life and its inevitable termination - is unnatural. It is also not under our control; since other factors (primarily God, but also Men and other Beings and happening) influence how and when we die.



We cannot, therefore, take death for granted. Death comes, and will be a time of transformation. It is a severing of soul from body, as the body dies - and (because we are incarnate Beings) the body's death changes us, removing part of our-selves - and what remains after death is naturally-speaking incomplete.

In other words; the spirit that exists after death - which has been variously conceptualized throughout history - is significantly like a different person, and (it has been believed in many times and places) is often severely diminished in its coherence, identity, agency etc.

I think we sense exactly this diminution (mostly implicitly), when we consider death. It probably lies behind the oft-expressed yearnings for 'peace' after mortal-death.

...Anyone who felt sure that death will certainly annihilation would not be concerned to ask for peace; anyone who was confident that death was naturally a peaceful state would not feel compelled to pray for peace.



There is a fear (clearly expressed by Hamlet in his famous "To be, or not to be" soliloquy) that after our death we will experience a state of inescapable nightmare; and that this may be the 'default' condition - unless... something else happens, or we take some particular actions or make choices.

Thus, from our perspective here-and-now in mortal life; death is indeed the threat of a violation that seems unjustifiable; unless made-sense-of by resurrection - or some other desired outcome. And that death seems to be non-optional makes matters worse.

[Heart to heart]

“To sleep - perchance to dream: Ay, there’s the rub! For in that sleep of death what dreams may come. When we have shuffled off this mortal coil.”

Words from the great Bard himself.

As for God, for me it is the eternal force for Good as opposed to evil. Or the Devil? Just one letter added to each word to illustrate the opposition!

But here in the third dimension we are here to find the BALANCE between the two in a plane of duality and opposites.

Yet in reality there is only LOVE and in love is acceptance of all. Just be a witness in your journey through what we call life,for life is energy and there is no end to energy, just a change of form as we grow in consciousness.

I look forward to the form I shall choose for my next adventure in consciousness towards other dimensions! Be JOYFUL in your mindfulness ❤️🌟❤️

[Pam]

I really appreciate the three, honest heartfelt posts. What if...What if... this place can't be fixed but if you knew you could transition seamlessly into what some would call the actual reality? Does it ever strike any of you that this is an absolutely surreal culture we are now experiencing.It has become amoral, in fact it is totally ridiculous. It is actually a perfected inversion of what we know in our hearts to be decent, caring , cooperative human beings.

I have been on this forum a long time. On many occasions I spoke of an inversion of truth occurring more frequently and at greater levels. I believe I was wrong about that. The inversion in our experience is just rising to the surface, so even the blindest can see it. Even those with a thick armor of cognitive dissonance firmly in place can see it if they would just open their eyes and heart, just a tiny,wee amount. Our whole current life experience has been seen through the lenses of the inversion. Some of us got rose colored lenses to view it through, so we had a false sense of security. Meaning we grew up with food, activities and a safe place we could call home. All of it paid for on the backs of others that didn't get those pretty rose colored lenses. Maybe in another life experience here, it was the other way around.I am not pointing a finger at a single everyday person here, that's just the way it is.

Every thing is cyclic. I have stated that ad nausea on this forum. The different names from different cultures are stating the same thing. Man kind has ages. They might be called an era or yuga ,ect.. The last major age ending I am aware of is the great Deluge. This is not an idea I came up with on my own, but I believe it to be true. These ages are time loops, roughly. They are the same formula, but they change the timeline, the characters are slightly different but the themes are roughly the same. The events must occur in sequence to finish the age or yuga. That is why even the best psychics don't often get dates right. The date will only be accurate if the timeline is adhered to. I am guessing Trump messed with the timeline that was hoped for and now the recklessness is showing, big time.

Just as we learned in the Nag Hammadi scriptures, we are living in a bad copy, thus the inversion. Those that are not familiar with this information can find oodles of information in videos and books about the details and nature of this "bad copy" I'm not an X or any social media member, but I will look at comments on posts from X quoted here. I have noticed a huge change in awareness. The hideous nightmare of what has been happening is bubbling to the surface. The corrupt system will look like it can protect certain bad actors to run amok, but that is not going to happen. We always get to meet ourselves in the end. That is the end they want to postpone as long as possible. It all makes sense if you really think about it. If that requires zombies with rotting flesh shuffling down the streets with Zylocaine in their systems or pedo rings, human trafficking,wars, it matters not. Just keep the shell game going. Keep the printing presses making that money. Prevent the sequencing that will complete the game.

Ultimately this is a message of hope. Not necessarily that we will all live happily ever after in this exact realm because we elected the right official, or followed the right authority. It will be because we awoke to our own power AND we used it to the best of our ability. That will look different for everyone. The point is we took some kind of action. Better yet, we do this and stay in the moment where are creative powers come to us. The frequencies are changing and they can be very difficult to adjust to, but if we can stay out of fear we have so much power. Just everyday smucks like me are included in that. In fact, I have a feeling there are so many of us out there, no one knows a dang thing about what we have that is more valuable than any possession we could possibly have.

So now, I believe, we are waiting for the sequence of necessary events to occur before the conclusion. I decided to go back to the end of the last known era or age (I could be wrong about this) The great deluge. I am trying to figure out the sequencing the events for the era to conclude. I am totally blown away how interesting this topic is from many cultural perpsectives. I am setting up the timeline for it to give me a better idea about our timeline. I am actually enjoying this. If anyone has any ideas of other major era's that we have details on it would be appreciated.

Why am I doing this? Because I am a nutty eccentric, but basically I am very curious and want to figure out the truth.

We can feel the desperation of those that wish to enslave humanity to hurry up and seal the deal. They know they know this cycle is coming to a conclusion, thus the absolute insanity. It would be hilarious if it wasn't causing so many, not just humanity, but all those living in this realm such pain and hardship.

Any culture that treats the innocent and animals in a cruel,sadistic way is so far out of balance that it is hard to comprehend. Is it possible to put enough band aids and duct tape on this mess to hold it together. If there is, I don't see it or can't imagine it.What I am going to say is not my own concept but when I heard it, I felt the great truth behind it. These cycles, the eras, the ages, the Yugas. Whatever you want to call them come and go but they come and go because they are event driven versus a specific timelines. That is why some of the greatest psychics of all time have gotten the information or the trend right, but the timeline was off. I believe it is because events did not follow in the sequence and the rate that was a high probablility. Possibility the election of Trump when it was assumed that good old Hillary would win threw the timeline off, big time. They are under a sort of timeline (maybe event line) to do whatever they think will stop the sequence of events happening as planned.

So somehow we need to look at solutions from the perspective of the inversion and I have not figured that out yet. One thing I know is that the same old "so and so should be prosecuted" is no longer a working solution. If more than one of us are seeking wisdom on this, it will magnify the information available to us as a solution.


For the record, I for one, will not choose to consent to the lies, bullying and deception by anyone or anything for any reason.

[thepainterdoug]

Pam said" Does it ever strike any of you that this is an absolutely surreal culture we are now experiencing.It has become amoral, in fact it is totally ridiculous. It is actually a perfected inversion of what we know in our hearts to be decent, caring , cooperative human beings. "

Pam / I love this. My word is preposterous . What we are living today is preposterous!

I listened to a MSM news person interviewing who was supposed to be John Fetterman but its not him. I dont know any other way of saying it, its not him! Yet this news person was going about the interview and this other person was answering in a completely real manner. As if it was all R E A L

It doesnt even matter now that we notice. I am dumbfounded. He is without arm tatoos and his ears are 100% different. In fact most everything is different from the original Fetterman
This is preposterous, yet we are going with it. We are all supposed to be going with it.
~

And wonderful comments all. Some insightful things mentioned here. At least I know I am not nuts.

[meeradas]

... and SHe does like the thread's title ;-)

[Matthew]

God has a plan for everyone,

it has little to do with me.

God grant me the wisdom

to figure out

what's you, what's them,

and what's me.

[Pam]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I have been thinking on the idea that if we had no fear of death, and could then back ourselves up from that point of view and live from there, life would be less scary and much more freeing

That death along with the process of death being our ultimate fear, this fear could be lessened, or even eliminated. The NDE people testify to this.

Along with this, the concept of God? ,

Is there a God or not ? And does it make a difference?
If there is a God,then good, it is watching over us, we have a life plan,and we will be welcomed home when the time comes by our creator.

If there is no God, then we will die, and there is "nothingness", a concept I cannot comprehend because we need a consciousness to witness a nothingness

With all this being said, I wonder what's to worry about?

yet Im pissed and worried.

I always so deeply appreciate your observations.Why? because they come from an honest place of an honest soul with integrity. You don't intellectualize or rationalize any of it. We get to share in the honesty of your observation of a world gone mad when it didn't need to happen. That's the kind of human to human contact that I crave. Even if there is some discomfort in it. It is real and heart felt. It's not the pretension that everything is great. We live in a culture that promotes that superficiality..

We go to the store and the clerk asks us how are you doing today? We are supposed to say fine. I have been so tempted to dump the real answer onto her/him but it wouldn't be fair. It's that crazy programming that we, particularly in the US have in being preoccupied with "everything is fine". I know, I am as guilty as anyone. I hold so much respect for cultures that wail and moan at the loss of a loved one. They just maximize that moment of genuine, deserved pain. In the US we like to be "fine". Even that is starting to be challenged and I see that as a positive move.

[East Sun]

Thank you "thinker Doug".

There may be a god or there may not be. Even if there is no god we may still go on and be reincarnated until we reach a point where we
bring God into existence thereby creating the creator. This could happen by time not being linear.

We really need God to get rid of evil.

I do believe in re--incarnation, not blindly, but having done my "homework".

[mizo]

My dad passed away when I was 11, my dad was 42 when he died. Living my own life up to the youngish age of 42, I lived in some fear, that I would also pass away at the same age as my dad. I don't know where this irrational fear come from but at times it was quite debilitating.

I'm now in my early 60's I know in myself that I'm approaching my 'life' -albeit death from the shorter end of the yardstick (unless I live to 120... )

I feel in my heart this is a journey that I've made many times. I no longer fear death as I've done this life's- journey numerous times.

As for God or a Creator -God has to be the supreme designer of all these amazing experiences- I feel quite strongly about that.

Observing 'Time' as I age... my memories feel like all my life- those events where only a spark/flash away inside my mind.

I'm not afraid of death but would like to stay around for a quite while longer, as were living I believe in interesting times.

Apologies for kinda waffling away - I'm also a tad 'pissed' but I'm blaming it on a large brandy...

[thepainterdoug]

Bruce G Charlton // "...Anyone who felt sure that death will certainly annihilation would not be concerned to ask for peace; anyone who was confident that death was naturally a peaceful state would not feel compelled to pray for peace".
~

I have always mused on " rest in peace" said to those who have died. Could you rest in war or anguish? can you rest dead?
peace needs to be of awareness. is awareness not of life?
we are trapped in earth realm words/

This year more than any in my adult memory I am fine with believing fantasy as reality

Everyday I pray and I believe in God. I believe in angels and guides and so on. i believe my spirit will live on and I have always existed, I cannot be extinguished.
I dont care about being logical even though I am.

[Bruce G Charlton]

I personally do not want either rest or peace for eternity (but only as an occasional state, for refreshment) nor indeed do I desire any kind of permanent Nirvana/ bliss; but instead I hope for everlasting love and creativity, with other people and beings that I love, as a resurrected person. In other words: I want what Jesus offers.

[BlankReg5]

Hello thepainterdoug. This subject has fascinated me for some time and I have spent hours meditating on it in both normal and altered states of consciousness and have come to a personal conclusion that death is nothing to be feared...in fact, I'm truly looking forward to it. Well, I am concerned about the method of death, but I have no fear of the outcome.

My personal philosophy is that my universe was created when I was born (let there be light) and it has been expanding at the speed of my thoughts ever since and it will end when I die. Every other consciousness experiences the same thing...everyone is a universe unto themselves and that universe is created when they are born and ends when they die. Think of 8 billion universes all entangled together sharing information and growing...mind blowing.

I have no idea what was before my birth, which is cool...like a double blind experiment. Whatever it was, I'm sure I'll be back there when my time here is done. So death is just going home.

Is there a God? In my reality, no. There is a universal consciousness but it is nonjudgmental. It just is and every thought or action I experience or event I witness becomes part of that consciousness. Similar to "The Law Of One" without all the "Ra" stuff...no disrespect. As Heart to heart beautifully said, "life is energy and there is no end to energy, just a change of form as we grow in consciousness." For me, consciousness is that energy.

Does it matter? Of course! It depends on how each individual creates their universe. If one believes there is a God or "The Big Electron…whoooa" then they exist...if one doesn't believe, then no. If one is agnostic, that is part of their journey also.

The concept of "nothingness" is pretty cool...I'll need to think about that one. Understand the meaning but can't conceive of the reality because like you said, we need a consciousness to witness a nothingness". Far out!

What's to worry about? Well, with all respect, only you can answer that. As Robin Williams said, "Reality...what a concept".

peace
john

[Satori]

Posted by Pam (here)

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I have been thinking on the idea that if we had no fear of death, and could then back ourselves up from that point of view and live from there, life would be less scary and much more freeing

That death along with the process of death being our ultimate fear, this fear could be lessened, or even eliminated. The NDE people testify to this.

Along with this, the concept of God? ,

Is there a God or not ? And does it make a difference?
If there is a God,then good, it is watching over us, we have a life plan,and we will be welcomed home when the time comes by our creator.

If there is no God, then we will die, and there is "nothingness", a concept I cannot comprehend because we need a consciousness to witness a nothingness

With all this being said, I wonder what's to worry about?

yet Im pissed and worried.

I always so deeply appreciate your observations.Why? because they come from an honest place of an honest soul with integrity. You don't intellectualize or rationalize any of it. We get to share in the honesty of your observation of a world gone mad when it didn't need to happen. That's the kind of human to human contact that I crave. Even if there is some discomfort in it. It is real and heart felt. It's not the pretension that everything is great. We live in a culture that promotes that superficiality..

We go to the store and the clerk asks us how are you doing today? We are supposed to say fine. I have been so tempted to dump the real answer onto her/him but it wouldn't be fair. It's that crazy programming that we, particularly in the US have in being preoccupied with "everything is fine". I know, I am as guilty as anyone. I hold so much respect for cultures that wail and moan at the loss of a loved one. They just maximize that moment of genuine, deserved pain. In the US we like to be "fine". Even that is starting to be challenged and I see that as a positive move.

Pam said: "We go to the store and the clerk asks us how are you doing today? We are supposed to say fine. I have been so tempted to dump the real answer onto her/him but it wouldn't be fair. It's that crazy programming that we, particularly in the US have in being preoccupied with "everything is fine"'."

That reminds me of the owner of an automotive repair shop I would take my cars to. (He has since passed.) Every time he was asked the usual pleasantry upon greeting him, such as "How are you doing?" he would always say. "Lousy! But thanks for asking?" That always struck me as an honest response, from his perspective at least.

In contrast, when I hear someone say in response to a similar greeting "I'm doing great." or "Wonderful", I often catch myself thinking that is not an honest response. (From my perspective at least.)

In my experience such people typically work in the private sector, often in sales, such as real estate agents. I sincerely doubt that these people sincerely believe he or she is great or wonderful. They fool themselves and try to fool others by expressing some mantra in an effort to present a positive mental attitude and win someone's favor or confidence.

On the other hand, it is said that the mind does not know the difference between a truthful thought or statement and a false thought or statement and will act on either accordingly. I do believe there is truth to that. Thus, if you tell yourself that you are lousy, you will feel and act lousy. If, on the other hand, you tell yourself you are wonderful, you will feel wonderful and act accordingly.

Assuming you are functioning as the creator intended and have not been poisoned by man-made toxins to the point of oblivion.

But, as they say, "Keep a positive mental attitude." Thoughts are things.

[Delight]

Posted by Satori (here)
On the other hand, it is said that the mind does not know the difference between a truthful thought or statement and a false thought or statement and will act on either accordingly. I do believe there is truth to that. Thus, if you tell yourself that you are lousy, you will feel and act lousy. If, on the other hand, you tell yourself you are wonderful, you will feel wonderful and act accordingly.

Assuming you are functioning as the creator intended and have not been poisoned by man-made toxins to the point of oblivion.

But, as they say, "Keep a positive mental attitude." Thoughts are things.

The Universe says YES. The thoughts we think are given us and we have the outcome of YES. This is what we must know before we get 'OUT'.

[Delight]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
i believe my spirit will live on and I have always existed, I cannot be extinguished.
I dont care about being logical even though I am.

This world is splitting up. I choose to be here with God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and my free will is evidenced. I think I came here to learn how to imagine what I love BEFORE it is manifest. I listen to all kinds of testimonials of woo woo because it keeps me in the frame of mind of what I CHOOSE to be so. I see all this life now as a paradox of Form follows Function... more like form follows intention. Very hard to create what I never knew but could only vaguely dream. The ability to generate what is not already present makes mastery.

[Michel Leclerc]

Psychoanalysis, altered consciousness states, and just some form of committed meditation on our experiences in our lives, have made us discover that we are not only “the person who says "I” ” but that it is far better to assume that personhood, self or whatever we want to identify ourselves with, is vastly (infinitely?) more complex, more meaningful, more rich than first assumptions or stereotyped “practical ideologies” feasted on by society, law, powers.

If that is the case, it would be equally wise to assume that “our” states which we will enter into after the body perishes, are equally rich, meaningful, complex. So that curiosity and awe may be advisable. Or the Christian virtue of hope: the certainty that bliss will be part of it (as it is of this bodily life).

Angels channelled themselves to Gitta Mallasz and her friends, Virgin Mary‘s appear to thousands. It would be only logical to assume that “higher-dimensional” beings are if possible even more complex, meaningful, rich, blissful than we can imagine.

That “God” – or what the idea stands for – would be less complex, meaningful, rich, blissful, eternal, omnipotent, all-knowing and whatever theology formulated to define It than we can possibly think, feel, sense is an odd hypothesis. Never-ending awe and love might be a better guess at how to apprehend It.

Deus sive Natura, says Spinoza. “God, i.e. Nature”. Consequently: Nature, i.e. God.

Yes, after our “death”, we interface with, face, Nature. We always do, also here and now.

How grand.

[thepainterdoug]

Thanks Michel and everyone for their well said thoughts and contributions.

BTW, I left a song video for my Musical Hypnotta on the Avalon members original music thread.
I left it in the middle of the night, perhaps no one saw it or perhaps no one liked it? either way would love honest feedback if you do get a chance to listen
It deals with death and crossing over