Sitting around a Campfire while God explains Astronomy.

[Jim_Duyer]

BTW = I placed this under Archeology and Anthropology because it involves the translation of ancient languages. It is not a piece on religion, despite the title.

That's not exactly what I translated (my title here) but what it sounds like. I'm working on translating the secret messages hidden inside of the Book of Job, in this case in chapter 38.

Why verse 38? I chose it because the flat-Earthers use those verses to "prove" their theory.  And hidden inside of the traditional text are Job's actual thoughts on the shape of the Earth.  And he writes as if his ancestors sat around a campfire with EL, God, and he taught them a great many things. Doesn't quite sound like the traditional God of fire, thunder and jealousy, does it? It sounds like a Father teaching his Sons.

So Job begins telling us what he has learned from the pillars that his tribe of Amorites salvaged from the Garden of Eden, prior to the flood, and which they still guard, under the temple floor in the town of Emar, in Syria.

I will publish this soon. And I will be forced to defend every single word and every translation and symbol, much as a PhD candidate does - and with even more scrutiny than usual because the group that does what I do numbers less than a hundred, worldwide. And they are very jealous and suspicious of one who is not under their thumb, part of their click, receiving paychecks from them, or subject to peer review. And I am confident that I can do so. Therefore I will not be providing the underlying Sumerian words at this time - because my question is related to what you think about this information, and not what you think about whether or not Sumerian existed or the techniques of translation.

Please read the below and tell me if you are astonished or not. Does the fact that God might have been "nice", as Jesus was, and not "nasty" as we have always been told, make you happier or more sad? Does the idea that, not only were we not punished for taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge but rather that God wished us to know whatever he could teach us, lessen your belief, or, as in my case, somehow strengthen it to some tiny extent?

Even if you have no strong belief in Judeo-Christianity, you have to admit that this is written, yes written evidence of an encounter in our ancient past with a being that knew facts that the locals could not have known. And I will happily defend the translations to the scholars.

Please understand that Job wrote his book with terms that could be understood by the general public, and that he was called one of the most righteous men in the Bible. He also praises God in his hidden verses, so nothing has changed there. Please read my revelation of the hidden version as an extra bit of information, and not as anything that could, or will, or should, change the traditional translation in any way. This is not an either or - it's an extra.

Job 38 - two verses:

In the World of Old,
The pure and clear Supreme God spoke of the shape/form of the Earth and brought out from the work in secret messages;
That it is a circle that rolls over and then returns.

It roams around and shakes (wobbles on its axis).
It is magnetic, with strength and power, like something threaded or hung on a string.
It's sides go around and encircle.
The one that is distant, that sets it in place and walks it along, is the Sun.
It (the Sun) arises high in the sky to encircle, and to bring it out and take it away. (Sun's magnetic field).

When High (or on the high side) it idles as it enters and leaves.
(Not entirely sure what that means, perhaps an astronomer will chime in.)

It takes away - brings along, the Earth, when it goes around, to seek a withdrawal as it goes away.
(Withdrawal: a retraction of a previously held position.) (Yes the Sun and the entire Solar System revolve around the center of our own Galaxy - the Milky Way.)

To roam around its demarcated sector (orbit).
Roam around in burning heat.

The secret messaging that he mentions is the form that Job and his group uses to hide the knowledge his ancestors were given from those who would edit it or change it, given the chance. It's pulled out of the traditional text, which he also authored, by use of a template, which I authored.

Each of us has the opportunity to ask ourselves how Job could have known the details of the Earth revolving around the Sun, the Sun's magnetic field keeping the Earth in its marked orbit, that the Earth was round and rotates, and all of the details above, if he were not taught this by someone. And he, Job, is very insistent that that teacher was God.

So until I have evidence to the contrary, I'm going to believe Job. One who doesn't believe in God might think that this was an Alien teaching them. And one who doesn't believe in Aliens might think it was a super-smart human from some culture that we have no knowledge of today. Regardless, the knowledge was transferred, and now we have it again.

The next section moves to another topic, and I have not yet finished it. I have my fingers crossed because I believe it speaks of humanity being brought here, as other texts do. I'll keep you posted.

Does this not represent the type of written evidence of extra-human contact that we have been searching for these many millennium?

[Heart to heart]

It has long been my understanding that humanity was originally seeded here on Earth and it is reasonable to assume that those who were responsible for our seeding remained in contact to remind us of our origins lest we forget our sovereignty in the process of being human.
There are many hidden codes in the bible that are slowly coming to light

Thank you so much for sharing Jim Duyer, it is always exciting to discover what appears to have been hidden. Those who perceive themselves in control have always kept the secret knowledge to themselves in order to maintain that control instead of sharing in a compassionate way with humanity.

So much is being revealed and there is more to come with every day that passes.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by Heart to heart (here)
It has long been my understanding that humanity was originally seeded here on Earth and it is reasonable to assume that those who were responsible for our seeding remained in contact to remind us of our origins lest we forget our sovereignty in the process of being human.
There are many hidden codes in the bible that are slowly coming to light

Thank you so much for sharing Jim Duyer, it is always exciting to discover what appears to have been hidden. Those who perceive themselves in control have always kept the secret knowledge to themselves in order to maintain that control instead of sharing in a compassionate way with humanity.

So much is being revealed and there is more to come with every day that passes.

Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, we have a struggle ahead of us if we are to catch up with the ones who hold the knowledge closely, in strong fingers.

[ian33]

"When High (or on the high side) it idles as it enters and leaves.
(Not entirely sure what that means, perhaps an astronomer will chime in.)"
..summer solstice, when the sun reaches its highest declination..the sun slows, to stop its northward motion for a few days, before turning round to southward motion of declination

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
The one that is distant, that sets it in place and walks it along, is the Sun.

This line to me: "that sets it (the earth) in place and walks it along, is the Sun" is a rudimentary description of gravity, not described until "On the motion of bodies in an orbit" by Isaac Newton in the 17th century.

[pabranno]

Hi Jim.
I certainly appreciate you sharing your hard earned findings here.
I enjoy all your posts very much.
You mentioned you use a template that you authored that yields a much different translation than the one currently accepted as part of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Can you elaborate on this template?

Pamela

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by ian33 (here)
"When High (or on the high side) it idles as it enters and leaves.
(Not entirely sure what that means, perhaps an astronomer will chime in.)"
..summer solstice, when the sun reaches its highest declination..the sun slows, to stop its northward motion for a few days, before turning round to southward motion of declination

Man, you made my day. When I translate I always lay it out just as it comes in, but sometimes I wonder if perhaps there was some misunderstanding on my part - as this example - because it doesn't sound right. But it appears that it might fit after all. Thank you.

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Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Jim_Duyer (here)
The one that is distant, that sets it in place and walks it along, is the Sun.

This line to me: "that sets it (the earth) in place and walks it along, is the Sun" is a rudimentary description of gravity, not described until "On the motion of bodies in an orbit" by Isaac Newton in the 17th century.

Thank you! I have to pause every now and then and remember that this was written by Job, 4020 or so years ago, and thus we have to rethink our notions of what they knew, when, and how they knew it. I still find the three hypothesis that I suggested in the post to be the most likely, but still don't know for sure which it is.

[Jim_Duyer]

Posted by pabranno (here)
Hi Jim.
I certainly appreciate you sharing your hard earned findings here.
I enjoy all your posts very much.
You mentioned you use a template that you authored that yields a much different translation than the one currently accepted as part of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Can you elaborate on this template?

Pamela

Very kind of you - thanks. When I first got started on ancient languages, I decided to begin with the oldest. But which is the oldest? There was a group called the Aquataine - who lived on the border of France and Spain, before those were countries. And they are related to the Cro-Magnons as the Basque are. In fact the Basque word for ax, possibly borrowed from the Aquatiane, is defined as an instrument made of stone - so theirs is the language that has the earliest references to the stone age. I examined the alphabets from the Spain-French borders going back into antiquity, and I discovered one that I felt could be improved somewhat - some of the suggested alignments by scholars seemed off.
So I developed over time a template - and with this syllabary template I was able to decipher the markings on caves from Russia through to England, and dating as early as 28,000 years ago.
Now our scholars will fight me on this because it disrupts their theories. And our historians and religious folk as well. But if you have an alphabet, and it perfectly translates markings, then it is accurate.
I then examined the markings from South Africa, made not by Africans but by Neanderthals. They have been dated by three teams of archaeologists to 65,000 years ago. They call them scribbles, but I was able to translate them - and it is a poem, and a quite good one.
So then I knew that I was on the right track - that knowledge and writing arose in northern Europe and traveled east, not the other way around. So Sumerian is a distant child of the European alphabet.
Then I discovered that this same template could translate Sumerian, accurately.
But when I examined the oldest form of Sumerian I noticed that the earliest form of Hebrew was similar - as was Phoenician. So here, after all, were the children of the European languages.
I then modified it ever so slightly (because Basque as an "O" letter and Sumerian does not, and came up with my template to translate Hebrew into Sumerian.
Long story short - all are related, and with time they became slightly different.

BTW - the markings on extinct deer antlers from Russia, dated at 28,000 years ago that I translated says: It is best to plant early by the light of the moon. And it turns out that this is valid advice according to our horticulture crowd.
So it's been a long road of some 20 plus years to get to this point where I can share.
And the funny thing is - I probably will have to publish this as fiction. I won't be left alone by the scholars who can not stand to see their entire history go up in smoke, and you can imagine the uproar from the religious groups who learn that Job knew about the movement of the universe.
Not a problem - just getting it out there will be worth it.

I think it is funny that the Biblical idea that at one time we had one language is very likely true - not one spoken language perhaps but one written language.

I won't publish the Basque template until two more books are done, but the Sumerian to Hebrew will be included in the book that I will have out as soon as I get set it up in page format for printing.

I found a map of Europe, dated by scholars at 2800 BC. They don't call it a map but it is. And it overlays on the North Pole, and shows the entrances, exits, and main land masses of that region. So that's number two book. And I'm happy because I have always believed that there was a group in the North who taught mankind in the deep past. Rumors of them found their way into Atlantis, but they were not Atlanteans after all, just smart humans who had not been dumbed-down as much - perhaps their geographical location helped in that area.

Thanks again.

[pabranno]

My Gracious! Thank you for the thorough response. I must give it further consideration.
You are doing fascinating work. I feel fortunate you are part of this community.
Please update us on your publishings. ….

Pamela

[ian33]

"When High (or on the high side) it idles as it enters and leaves.
(Not entirely sure what that means, perhaps an astronomer will chime in.)"
..summer solstice, when the sun reaches its highest declination..the sun slows, to stop its northward motion for a few days, before turning round to southward motion of declination
Man, you made my day. When I translate I always lay it out just as it comes in, but sometimes I wonder if perhaps there was some misunderstanding on my part - as this example - because it doesn't sound right. But it appears that it might fit after all. Thank you.
...thats why time seems to stop around the longest day