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    🇮🇱🇵🇸 The Ahmad Kadyrov grand mosque in Abu-Ghosh near Jerusalem was hit. The mosque is the second biggest mosque In Israel. Completed in 2014, it is named after Ahmad Haji Kadyrov, the Chechnian president who was assassinated in 2004.

    The village claims to be of Chechnian descent, and after the assassination of the Chechnian leader, Ahmad Kadyrov, it offered his son and successor, president Ramzan Kadyrov, to jointly erect a mosque in Abu-Ghosh, in his father’s memory. Completed and opened in 2014, the mosque can hold up to 3000 people. It is designed in Ottoman style, which is the favored architectural style in Chechnya. Its four minarets cannot be missed, and its marble coat give it a unique and grand look.

    https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1711421591295537305


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    IDF members collaborated with Hamas, sources tell Iran's Tasnim news agency

    Iran's Tasnim says they've been told by sources inside Palestine that a part of the IDF cooperated with Hamas during the operation and that's what caught the Israelis by surprise, leading to severe losses

    https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1711357265146507634


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    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/1...ng-attack.html

    Egypt Claims It Warned Israel Of Upcoming Attack
    October 09, 2023

    Will this finally end Netanyahoo's rein?

    Egypt says Israel ignored warnings Hamas planned major offensive - Yedioth Ahranoth - Oct 9 2023

    Egypt warned Israel of a pending Hamas attack ten days before terrorists breached the border and took control of military bases, and communities, killing more than 700 and taking 150 captive including women and children.
    "We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.

    The Egyptian official said the Israelis were concentrated on the tension on the West Bank and did not consider the Gaza ruling terror group to be a threat despite repeated warningד that the Egyptians though were not being taken seriously.

    One would hope so. But the story will certainly be denied. And due to the war Bibi may still keep his seat.

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    Let me be clear
    @Channel4News
    , I do NOT condemn Palestine's armed uprising against 75 years of Israeli oppression. I wish it wasn't necessary, but all non-violent efforts to obtain justice have been spurned by Israel.

    You should tell your viewers that it's Israel that's in breach of international law, not Palestine, which has the legal right to resort to armed resistance against occupation.

    https://x.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1711420045786501372


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    https://x.com/108SAR/status/1711255412249383364



    https://x.com/108SAR/status/1711257107025043462



    https://x.com/108SAR/status/1711275601884008893



    https://x.com/108SAR/status/1711402108082069873


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    Quote Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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    Let me be clear
    @Channel4News
    , I do NOT condemn Palestine's armed uprising against 75 years of Israeli oppression. I wish it wasn't necessary, but all non-violent efforts to obtain justice have been spurned by Israel.

    You should tell your viewers that it's Israel that's in breach of international law, not Palestine, which has the legal right to resort to armed resistance against occupation.

    https://x.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1711420045786501372


    This isn't the right response, either. This wasn't "armed resistance." The attack was carried out by Hamas, a group obviously controlled and funded by Israel, not by Palestinians. Nothing makes it OK to kill a bunch of civilians, and it makes absolutely no strategic sense at all for a truly Palestinian supporting group to kill Israeli citizens and enrage Israel and the Israel-supporting countries of the world, as well as putting all Palestinians in Gaza into the crosshairs to be snuffed out in retaliation.


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    It may serve all of us well to look to the past to understand the unfolding events of today, and I don't mean the last 100 years.

    It seems clear to me that this is another 'false flag' carried out by the people that need momentum to sway narratives. Using rhetoric to influence emotion and never let any truth stand in the way of that.

    With that introduction, (Can you hear the trumpets of the Colloseum?), allow me to introduce Niccolò Machiavelli

    Another worthy link may be Politics-of-power-through-Force-and-Propaganda.

    Quote Machiavelli on War & Command

    1. “There is no avoiding war, it can only be postponed to the advantage of your enemy.”

    If you think that as a ruler, you will always keep your hands clean and never have to use your army to fight your enemy, you are highly mistaken, and frankly, for Machiavelli, you have chosen the wrong path to follow.

    Politics is the world of war. Avoiding war will only give an advantage to your enemy. Why? Because the opposing side might have already understood the business of politics and, most importantly, the next point of the analysis.


    2. “He who wishes to be obeyed must know how to command.”

    Why? Because people fearing you is better than people loving you. And why’s that? Because you always need a small portion of the people to be with you or you have to control the army, even a small portion of it. Hence, you always have the resources to command the people if something goes wrong.

    For Machiavelli, politics is strongly connected to commanding. People won’t always listen to someone who only asks to be obeyed. People will have to be hesitant to act unjustly or wrongfully because they have someone who can command as the ruler.

    3. “There is simply no comparison between an armed man and one who is not. It is simply unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed.”

    With this quote, Machiavelli can just sum up the reality in politics since the beginning of the time that such an institution existed. Why are so many governments failing? Because there’s no balance between the man who is unarmed and thinks that the armed man will obey his order and the man who is armed and believes that the unarmed man feels safe.

    In reality, the unarmed man isn’t taking action because he is afraid for his life, and the armed man will never obey someone who doesn’t pose any real threat to him.


    4. “You must know, then, that there are two methods of fighting, the one by law, the other by force: the first method is that of men, the second of beasts; but as the first method is often insufficient, one must have recourse to the second”

    Since the beginning of politics, there has always been an actual misunderstanding. Negotiations will get you anywhere you want to go, and force is never the thing to do. Well… although it might be correct, it’s not always efficient.

    Sometimes, political rulers have to be beasts and not always men, especially when dealing with other beasts or the first approach has failed.

    5. “Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please.”

    Machiavelli wasn’t always portraying the image of a cold-hearted human being who is numb to ideas such as war, loss of life, and uncontrollable use of force. Here is a prime example. It’s the most logical statement that you will probably find in this article, but it’s the truest and most accurate one.

    6. “Before all else, be armed.”
    Edit: To add :- (the last three enumerated points which I missed in my haste...)

    7. “A battle that you win cancels all your mistakes.

    And there you have it, to the victor - the ability to shape history..

    8. “So far as he is able, a prince should stick to the path of good but, if the necessity arises, he should know how to follow evil.

    9. “Therefore, it is unnecessary for a prince to have all the good qualities I have enumerated. But it is very necessary to appear to have them.

    Psychopaths, please step forward, now is your time..
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    Egypt just dropped a BOMBSHELL in the Israel Hamas War | Redacted with Clayton Morris reporting from Northern Egypt 6:07 minutes

    Israel Defence Minister: "There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly"



    It's thought that Hamas has bought US arms from Ukraine on the Black Market and fired them on Israel.
    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" (John F Kennedy - 13th March 1962)
    "The only winning move is not to play" (WarGames 1983)

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    Alert! WATCH FOR A MAJOR FALSE FLAG EVENT ON US SOIL... WE ARE BEING BOXED IN. Mannarino

    As Ewan said above : It seems clear to me that this is another 'false flag' carried out by the people that need momentum to sway narratives. Using rhetoric to influence emotion and never let any truth stand in the way of that.

    14 minute narrative done today , he's on the target

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    It's crossed my mind (and probably many others here too), that a pandemic is no longer necessary for digital passports. They may well be rolled out as this situation unfolds to "keep us safe from terror" before we can travel or enter venues and events ... and eventually any public space. All it will take is a few attacks in western towns and cities and it will be enough to frighten the masses into digital submission.
    I really hope its just my over active imagination. It's one thing saying no to this surveillance due to a vaccine, but quite another when it comes to propaganda and mandating everyone doing their bit 'against the war on terror.' It may become increasingly difficult to remain quietly under the radar living a peaceful life.

    Despite my concerns, I'm truly sorry for all the loss of life and trauma of innocent people and children that's happening right now.

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    More from The Moon of Alabama, their second article for today:
    WSJ Joins Neocons to Instigate War on Iran

    Updated below.

    The neo-conservatives want to blame Iran for the current war in Palestine/Gaza.

    They have for years tried to instigate war against it. Now they again see a chance. But its not a big one - yet.

    Yossi Melman is a very well connected Israeli author:
    Yossi Melman @yossi_melman - 5:33 UTC · Oct 9, 2023 IDF spokeperson Brig-General Danny Hagari said that there is no indication of an Iranian involvement in the war in Gaza.

    Biden administration scrambles to deter wider Mideast conflict
    - Washington Post - Oct 8 2023
    Asked whether Hamas may have acted in partnership with Iran to disrupt the effort to broker a Saudi deal, Blinken said “that could have been part of the motivation. Look, who opposes normalization? Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran.” But, he said, “we have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack.”
    Fear not, say the neocons, we still have the Wall Street Journal to carry water for us:

    Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks (archived) - Wall Street Journal - Oct 8 2023
    DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group. Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.
    Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.
    WSJ authors in Dubai(!) have access to "senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah"?

    Both groups are notorious for their secrecy and their senior leadership is usually hidden away. Those facts alone are enough to debunk the report as nonsense. But the WSJ authors continue:
    “We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings. A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.
    Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.
    A spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said the Islamic Republic stood in support of Gaza’s actions but didn’t direct them.
    “The decisions made by the Palestinian resistance are fiercely autonomous and unwaveringly aligned with the legitimate interests of the Palestinian people,” the spokesman said. “We are not involved in Palestine’s response, as it is taken solely by Palestine itself.”
    Three direct rejections by official sources of the WSJ claims get countered with an anonymous 'European official' and a likewise anonymous 'adviser to the Syrian government'.

    It is like the authors don't even try to sound believable:
    A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis. The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.
    ...
    Israel has blamed Iran, saying it is behind the attacks, if indirectly. ​​ “We know that there were meetings in Syria and in Lebanon with other leaders of the terror armies that surround Israel so obviously it’s easy to understand that they tried to coordinate. The proxies of Iran in our region, they tried to be coordinated as much as possible with Iran,” Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said Sunday.
    There is however little evidence for the Israeli assertion:
    Leading the effort to wrangle Iran’s foreign proxies under a unified command has been Ismail Qaani, the leader of the IRGC’s international military arm, the Quds Force.
    Qaani launched coordination among several militias surrounding Israel in April during a meeting in Lebanon, The Wall Street Journal has reported, where Hamas began working more closely with other groups such as Hezbollah for the first time.
    Hamas and Hezbollah have cooperated for decades. During the war on Syria some Hamas members took the side of the 'moderate rebels'. They taught them how to dig large tunnels, a technique they themselves had once learned from Hizbullah:
    Abu Musaab, a leader in Ahrar al-Sham, told the pro-uprising satellite television station Orient News that the Syrian militant group received tutorial videos from Gazans showing them how to repair collapsing tunnels. "The ground here became damp and began to fall on us…and some of our youth were trapped inside. So we spoke to those with expertise, our brothers in Gaza, may God reward their good deeds," Abu Musaab was quoted as saying.
    "We consulted them regarding the problem and they advised us to bring in wood (plates), sending us video segment showing us how they do it and we replicated that," Abu Musaab added.
    ...
    And in June 2013, the pro-Hezbollah al-Akhbar newspaper reported that "sources close to Hezbollah and the Syrian regime claim that Hamas had a role to play in the battles of Qusayr, [where tunnels] … had been dug using small Iranian devices that Hezbollah had transferred to Hamas."

    "Some of the explosives, they added, were found to contain electronic chips that Hamas had acquired from Iran and Hezbollah," the Lebanese paper said.
    After the war in Syria was decided in the governments favor, Hamas slowly found its way back into the resistance camp. Consultations between Hezbullah and Hamas have been constant since. Back to the WSJ:
    Representatives of these groups have met with Quds Force leaders at least biweekly in Lebanon since August to discuss this weekend’s attack on Israel and what happens next, they said. Qaani has attended some of those meetings along with Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad leader al-Nakhalah, and Saleh al-Arouri, Hamas’s military chief, the militant-group members said. Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian attended at least two of the meetings, they said.
    This, however, is clearly no believable. Amir-Abdollahian is a professional diplomat, not a security official. While he has been deeply involved in political issues regarding Palestine he is unlikely to have been involved in any top-secret operational planning.

    Also biweekly meetings between Qaani, Nasrallah and other high ranking resistance leaders are unlikely to have ever happened. Each such meeting would be a security nightmare.

    The planning for the recent Hamas operation must have taken years not just the few month since August. While the WSJ lets it seem that there is operational coordination between the various resistance groups their real cooperation is on a way more strategic level.

    Each group in the resistance axis has its own plans and goals. That does not exclude strategic cooperation, but not on the detail level of fighting:
    Egypt, which is trying to mediate in the conflict, has warned Israeli officials that a ground invasion into Gaza would trigger a military response from Hezbollah, opening up a second battlefront, people familiar with the matter said. Israel and Hezbollah exchanged fire briefly on Sunday.
    ...
    The Iranian official said that if Iran were attacked, it would respond with missile strikes on Israel from Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, and send Iranian fighters into Israel from Syria to attack cities in the north and east of Israel.
    While there is no denying that Iran, Hezbullah, Hamas and others consult with each other on a high level, any deeper cooperation, training or assistance is unlikely to still exist. It is each on their own, but with a common big goal in mind.

    Update - 14:40 UTC

    Of interest:
    Andrew MacGregor Marshall @zenjournalist - 11:54 UTC · Oct 9, 2023
    The main reporter on this story, @summer_said, has a history of dishonesty and inventing stories. I fired her from Reuters in 2008 for this reason. I’m surprised that the @WSJ has hired her and is publishing her stories that are clearly bogus.

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    Gaza is now being carpet-bombed by Israel. This is all likely to draw Hezbollah into the battle.

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/82398

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    its amazing to me how everything is a movie now. with sound effects and all mixed and masteredas if in a studio. . actors photo ops, staged scenes and you can't tell anymore whats fake or real

    we are really in the quickening . anything you once thought couldnt happen in your safe zone, now could. I truly dont feel safe anymore in any way, be it personal bodily safety, survelliance and privacy, hacking and scamming, fraud, dishonesty , well the list goes on

    and its this disbelief it could never happen here that has allowed this casual acceptance of all this insanity , little by little like a frog being boiled in slowly heated water.
    so many lives being ruined as these government criminals get a pass. beyond sickening

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    its amazing to me how everything is a movie now. with sound effects and all mixed and masteredas if in a studio. . actors photo ops, staged scenes and you can't tell anymore whats fake or real

    we are really in the quickening . anything you once thought couldnt happen in your safe zone, now could. I truly dont feel safe anymore in any way, be it personal bodily safety, survelliance and privacy, hacking and scamming, fraud, dishonesty , well the list goes on

    and its this disbelief it could never happen here that has allowed this casual acceptance of all this insanity , little by little like a frog being boiled in slowly heated water.
    so many lives being ruined as these government criminals get a pass. beyond sickening
    Bingo. So when will we, the people, stop it? The how to stop it is right there for everyone with eyes to see, ears to hear, reasonable minds to think and hands to work.

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    i listened to dan bonginio report tonight. i agree with him, we will remain a frog in the slowly boiling water. we really dont believe it yet. its going to take a lot more
    football is still on, the nhl begins, big money in sports and all.

    and dont forget the trump card. it is as hard as me to totally believe , that biden is under white hat and trump orders and playing his part for the greatest show on earth to unfold

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